What happened to the site yesterday?

[Falka]

Yeah but its a rodent.  Ever see a cat play with a mouse before it kills it?  Or what a mouse trap does to small rodents?  I don't believe in animal cruelty either but as far as legislating and enforcing it to any standards, it seems pretty grey.  Especially with retarded ass hamsters that deserve to be punted across a football field.

ok, it's a rodent, but he fried it.There is a difference between killing wild mouse with a trap, in which way you prevent it from coming to your house or other buildings, and killing a pet in such retarded way. Law tries to protect pets so you can not compare these 2 situations.

[Berserkadin]

Well if you feel like a fucking rodent is your family member... then yeah, you're fucked up. Most boring animals ever, people just buy them because they look cute. He was just probably starving, and the only real use you got of a hamster is either food or as bait. Goddamnit, he just wanted some food and everyone goes "NO YOU CAN'T KILL AN ANIMAL AND THEN EAT IT" 

And yeah why solve real crimes and sentence real criminals when a hamster got killed. Call the FBI.

Me and several other kids used to put frogs on a stone, then drop a huge stone on them. I don't think we enjoyed the pain inflicted, but the splash effect was fanstastic.

[Prpavi]

Actually something even worse happened 

Id have no problem killing this piece of shit in the most sadistic way possible.

[Kafein]

Lobsters and bugs don't have an advanced nervous system, so most likely they can't even feel pain. There's a simple experiment you could try to prove it. Find a bug and pull one of its legs off. You'll notice that besides a bit of a limp the bug is still able to function pretty well. Now cut one of your legs off and see how well you can function. Then come back here and tell me there's no difference between cruelty to insects and mammals.

Oh and isn't there a long history of serial killers who murdered little animals while they were young, before they moved up to bigger game?

Good point, I've been struggling with justifying the protection of mammals over insects for a long time.

I mean, it is inconceivable that we may be writing laws on animal protection based on antropomorphism, emotions and levels of cuteness.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Me and several other kids used to put frogs on a stone, then drop a huge stone on them. I don't think we enjoyed the pain inflicted, but the splash effect was fanstastic.

As a lover of frogs that makes me sad, doesn't mean I think you should be sentenced for anything.

[IG_Saint]

Guys, most serial killers wore pants...

Oh what a strong comeback zlisch, posting a witty comment about half my post to disguise the fact that you're full of shit and have no idea what you're talking about.

Luckily I have actual science backing me up. Try looking up the Macdonald triad. Or any of the hundreds of papers written on the link between animal cruelty and homicidial tendencies. The same goes for the first part of my post: It has actual science backing it up.

[Lemmy_Winks]

Zlisch I can only assume your some sort of fundamentalist Christian, as this whole belief that Humans are deserving of more respect than OTHER animals (yes we are animals too) is rooted completely in Judaism/Christianity (which has influenced American cultural beliefs) and has no foundation in actual science. What makes us deserving of more respect than a dog, is it because we are more intelligent than they are? By that logic should we kill the mentally challenged becuase they are less intelligent than the rest of us? Dogs certainly feel pain and have the same emotions we do, they are 95% genetically identical to us. And once the next iteration of humans comes around should we resign ourselves to be killed because they are "better" than us?

There is nothing different from a human or another animal, unless you believe that we are somehow special because we have souls and that God chose us to reign over the animals of the earth, if you actually believe that nonsense. This whole ignorant general concept that we are somehow better and deserving of more respect than other animals is based on 2 thousand year old scriptures, these assumptions that animals dont have emotions or cant feel pain or cant even think have been dis-proven a long time ago (these beliefs are completly retarded anyways, they have a nervous system and a brain wonder what that is for). Yes there is hypocrisy with people caring more about dogs than cows for example, I think whats being done to cows is wrong and should stop, i do not eat meat. This whole thing is kind of like slavery, how people used Christianity and the same argument to justify the enslavement of a race of people that were not considered worthy of respect, because they where not as developed as other people or maybe where not seen as intelligent or civilized.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Oh what a strong comeback zlisch, posting a witty comment about half my post to disguise the fact that you're full of shit and have no idea what you're talking about.

Luckily I have actual science backing me up. Try looking up the Macdonald triad. Or any of the hundreds of papers written on the link between animal cruelty and homicidial tendencies. The same goes for the first part of my post: It has actual science backing it up.

To the first part, I didn't bother responding, because as I've already stated, insects (are still animals, and they) aren't the only animals secluded from the whole rights thingy, are you gonna claim fish don't feel pain either?

And regarding that serial killers often enjoy torturing animals so all animal torturers are gonna become serial killers joke of an argument, that shit is to retarded to make a serious reply against it, why don't you go write long essays about how violent video games cause kids to shot up schools 'cause basically all school shootings have involved kids who have at some point in their life played violent video games?

[ArysOakheart]

So after browsing through this thread, it chadz who fried the hamster that was responsible for spinning the cRPG wheel.

[Son Of Odin]

Are we slowly mutating this thread into gun control topic, or is it just my spidey sense being wrong?

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I'm tempted to move this thread somewhere else at this point anyhow...

[Teeth]

It's a hamster, fucking hippies these days. Killing rats with poison never got anyone a criminal record and rats are more intelligent creatures, that is a damn painful death, that is for sure. I do not condone this behaviour, but chill the fuck out.

Zlisch I can only assume your some sort of fundamentalist Christian, as this whole belief that Humans are deserving of more respect than OTHER animals (yes we are animals too) is rooted completely in Judaism/Christianity (which has influenced American cultural beliefs) and has no foundation in actual science. What makes us deserving of more respect than a dog, is it because we are more intelligent than they are? By that logic should we kill the mentally challenged becuase they are less intelligent than the rest of us? Dogs certainly feel pain and have the same emotions we do, they are 95% genetically identical to us. And once the next iteration of humans comes around should we resign ourselves to be killed because they are "better" than us?

There is nothing different from a human or another animal, unless you believe that we are somehow special because we have souls and that God chose us to reign over the animals of the earth, if you actually believe that nonsense. This whole ignorant general concept that we are somehow better and deserving of more respect than other animals is based on 2 thousand year old scriptures, these assumptions that animals dont have emotions or cant feel pain or cant even think have been dis-proven a long time ago (these beliefs are completly retarded anyways, they have a nervous system and a brain wonder what that is for). Yes there is hypocrisy with people caring more about dogs than cows for example, I think whats being done to cows is wrong and should stop, i do not eat meat. This whole thing is kind of like slavery, how people used Christianity and the same argument to justify the enslavement of a race of people that were not considered worthy of respect, because they where not as developed as other people or maybe where not seen as intelligent or civilized.

Killing a musquito must be an enormous mental struggle for you. There is an undeniable enormous gap between humans and other animals, which is large enough for me to have different standards for humans and any animal, devoid of any religious arguments. Humans > animals, you don't have to be a religious for that at all.

[Smoothrich]

Humans > animals, you don't have to be a religious for that at all.

And that's why humans are the ultimate game.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Zlisch I can only assume your some sort of fundamentalist Christian, as this whole belief that Humans are deserving of more respect than OTHER animals (yes we are animals too) is rooted completely in Judaism/Christianity (which has influenced American cultural beliefs) and has no foundation in actual science. What makes us deserving of more respect than a dog, is it because we are more intelligent than they are? By that logic should we kill the mentally challenged becuase they are less intelligent than the rest of us? Dogs certainly feel pain and have the same emotions we do, they are 95% genetically identical to us. And once the next iteration of humans comes around should we resign ourselves to be killed because they are "better" than us?

There is nothing different from a human or another animal, unless you believe that we are somehow special because we have souls and that God chose us to reign over the animals of the earth, if you actually believe that nonsense. This whole ignorant general concept that we are somehow better and deserving of more respect than other animals is based on 2 thousand year old scriptures, these assumptions that animals dont have emotions or cant feel pain or cant even think have been dis-proven a long time ago (these beliefs are completly retarded anyways, they have a nervous system and a brain wonder what that is for). Yes there is hypocrisy with people caring more about dogs than cows for example, I think whats being done to cows is wrong and should stop, i do not eat meat. This whole thing is kind of like slavery, how people used Christianity and the same argument to justify the enslavement of a race of people that were not considered worthy of respect, because they where not as developed as other people or maybe where not seen as intelligent or civilized.

I'm totally a catholic, for real, god blessed my soul and I'm special. Also your PETA vegetarian elitist eating meat is wrong bullshit is a fucking joke, I never for one second claimed animals don't feel pain, but ok, and finally, comparing "animal cruelty" to slavery is beyond idiotic.

[Smoothrich]

I'm turning the corner to be a vegetarian myself, and a lot of it is because I feel empathetic with many animals and find our treatment of them in slaughterhouses and forcefeeding ducks and chickens corn syrup through hoses until they explode and stuff like that simply disgusting.

Just as far as this example here.  Killing a hamster and frying it in a pan.  Maybe he killed it before.  Maybe he cooked it alive.  Fuck at least he was cooking his own food and dealing with the consequences of killing animals instead of having faceless corporations butcher millions of animals en masse bred and killed only for precious meats pumped with corn meal.

If anything, that's probably why he is getting sued or arrested.  Because some big business didn't get a profit off HIS version of animal cruelty, and all he got was lunch.

[Lemmy_Winks]

Killing a musquito must be an enormous mental struggle for you. There is an undeniable enormous gap between humans and other animals, which is large enough for me to have different standards for humans and any animal, devoid of any religious arguments. Humans > animals, you don't have to be a religious for that at all.

I was not referring to mosquitos or insects, i was referring to more complex animals, mammals more specifically. At any rate what is your rational for this belief of there being an "enormous gap between humans and other animals". Do you have one, do you even know why you believe this? And my point to an extent was yest you may not be religous, but many of your ethical beliefs, apparently this one included, directly come from the religions that helped to shape your societies moral beliefs, Judaism and Christianity as i have mentioned. So it does not matter if you are a christian, you as well as many others still hold their beliefs anyways. Looking at a human, are we more intelligent than most other species, yes we are, btu we are physically weaker than most, and we might not be the most intelligent scientists are not in agreement if we are more intelligent than dolphins or not, their  brains are certainly larger and more complex though, not that attributes are any marker for what makes an organism deserving of respect. And my whole point with this is not that killing animals itself is wrong, if you absolutely have to for food or another reason ok, but to think that they are such trash that you can torture them or kill them for your own personal amusement is completely wrong. So ya what actual reason do you have for your beliefs? And if it is attribute based does that mean you belief you are better than other people who you surpass in regard to this attribute?

finally, comparing "animal cruelty" to slavery is beyond idiotic.

Same question to you Zilsch, explain your beliefs here. I would think the torture and killing of somethign would be worse than enslaving it, so how is the comparison idioitc? Again you could only think this if you believed humans where somehow special, so why do you believe that? Its always good to explain your rationale when making na argument, and believing something and not knowing why certanly isnt good.