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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Smoothrich on March 01, 2013, 06:10:46 pm

Title: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Smoothrich on March 01, 2013, 06:10:46 pm

cRPG is a great game with one of the best communities I've ever been a part of online.  Let's all talk about how many friends we've made or how much fun the game and its forums are.  Some people say mod is dead, but it's never felt more alive to me.

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You guys are the best.

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: TurmoilTom on March 01, 2013, 06:17:07 pm

I hate all of you.

Please die in horrible car fires.



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Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Micah on March 01, 2013, 06:25:11 pm

who the hell is that infantile idiot with the pinkie pie doll supposed to be ? ... oh wait, nvm  :oops:

edit:actually i made some very good friends here ... did you not?

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Smoothrich on March 01, 2013, 06:56:15 pm

Quote from: Micah on March 01, 2013, 06:25:11 pm

who the hell is that infantile idiot with the pinkie pie doll supposed to be ? ... oh wait, nvm  :oops:

edit:actually i made some very good friends here ... did you not?

Did you not read the thread?  This is to celebrate friendships.  Of course I have.

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Vibe on March 01, 2013, 06:59:58 pm

ER MAH GERD U ER ERSUM I LERV U ERL U ER MAH FRERNDS

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Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Micah on March 01, 2013, 07:10:45 pm

Quote from: Smoothrich on March 01, 2013, 06:56:15 pm

Did you not read the thread?  This is to celebrate friendships.  Of course I have.

I did, and im really happy to hear that :D I honestly like many of the ideas in your posts. Its always something to learn or think about  :wink:

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 01, 2013, 07:38:46 pm

More of Smoothrich's Schizophrenia?

Says "that kind of stuff does not bother me" when discussing Bjord being unbanned, then complains about people shittalking his faction or members and getting tied of it.

Says Battle mode is the worst game mode, then praises it as "I actually have a lot of fun there."

Says he is disgusted by the community being so biased that they pursue false bans, then is so biased that he falsely bans Kesh for multiaccounting after a nice long week of frothing at the mouth about how much of a cheater Kesh it.

And now... After so much time of yelling about the mod going down the crapper and losing fun, makes a post of it never being more alive and being so much fun  :lol:


A few random quotes from 2 lazy searches, not counting the IRC amusement or him shittalking the game or M:BG on the SomethingAweful forums and yelling about how the devs are all grossly incompetent and everything was shit and has no chance:

Quote from: Smoothrich on March 01, 2013, 06:10:46 pm

cRPG is a great game with one of the best communities I've ever been a part of online.  Let's all talk about how many friends we've made or how much fun the game and its forums are.  Some people say At fifteen, I had the will to learn; at thirty, I could stand; at forty, I had no doubts; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding; at sixty, my ears were opened; at seventy, I could do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the square., but it's never felt more alive to me.

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You guys are the best.

Quote from: Smoothrich

and all the major changes managed to accomplish was even more grind and less versatility/uniqueness in characters gear and builds and overall more bland gameplay, lol good job at having a vision and failing to reach it due to ignoring the community and having bad designers (Urist) work on the mod,

RIP

Quote from: Smoothrich on February 22, 2013, 06:08:37 am

people don't play the game for grinding anymore and in fact leave because of it.

Quote from: Smoothrich on February 21, 2013, 01:24:13 pm

Paul/Urist broke the game irrevocably by buffing armor for no logical reason.  The gameplay of hitting heavy armor strength builds 10+ times with anything but top tier polearms and 2handers is terrible and is why (along with turn rate) you see every strat army just immobile in full plate poking and shooting each other in a slow retarded ballet of boring.

Quote from: Smoothrich on February 04, 2013, 03:43:01 am

Every class is full of rage-inducing things that can kill you without it feeling like it was your fault.  One of the reasons cRPG/Warband isn't that great of a game

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Quote from: Smoothrich on December 26, 2012, 10:37:02 am

I think people talk about how they are nostalgic for old cRPG and how now its just a nerfed Native port very often and it is pretty accurate. The dev team seems to idolize and respect some elements of game design that enable players to be creative and make their own game, basically creating the tools and handing them to the players and hoping them the best.  This is what Strategus essentially is, and what the old space game idea for P. Asinus sounded like.  Thing is, you guys basically had this going in old cRPG, and I've seen it creep up whenever opportunities for it were available in the game.  Yet devs have gone out of their way to find these and completely remove them whenever possible, much to the detriment of the game and its appeal. 

Battle is pretty boring now but it used to be a ghetto sandbox to do all sorts of memorable, awesome shit in. Ladderpaulting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgqMnNJzHrI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgqMnNJzHrI)), ridiculous builds, comical amounts of plate, awesome weapons, the dynamically hilarious metagame of peasants hiding in areas of a map so when you broke through the front lines in full plate you got to find a hut teeming with cowering peasants and slaughter them all.

Since then they just slowly turned it into a Native port with nerfed everything.  Playing on Battle is usually boring and often frustrating unless you are cav, ranged, or an unusually skilled 2handed player in full looms with a level 32+ build who manages to avoid cav and ranged for the first minutes of the battle (like me.)

Battle now is all based on a multi system with a chance of valor.  Its okay but your only reward is a 4x becoming 5x, and there is really nothing to do besides kill. Any effort to play the game in another way besides TDM over a stupid multi will result in rage or bans, and eventual complete overhauls by the dev team to patch things out.

Core cRPG gameplay has basically been reduced to that empty kind of reward, a multi that most people only pretend to give a shit about.  The gameplay itself is fun, but it has been made less and less engaging for some deliberate reason.  I find Strategus more engaging due to not only funny politics, ability to screw people over with the overworld's gameplay, customizing your armies, and the fundamental gameplay of teamwork, the stories of how a battle went down, every push or takeover of a rooftop has its own little narrative to the larger battle.. it simply presses a lot more buttons then cRPG on its own does.  I think a ton of this could translate to a Conquest mode for simply better gameplay with objectives to fulfill, but that is still just part of the broader picture.

Biggest problem by far in my eyes was all the balance attempts to "fix Warband" but jamming it all into the shit Battle mode of Warband, the soulless type of mode that wasn't even that good in the late 90s with Counter-Strike, and is extremely outdated.  Old cRPG had tons of flavor and life to it that managed to be hilarious past the shitty game type we played it in, but every patch has been trying to close the lid on personal flavor and creativity and make things more streamlined.

I don't really understand why that became the mission statement of cRPG.  "Native with nerfs." That's what it is now, instead of this half MMO, half dynamic griefing/trolling, all excellent combat game it used to be.

You used to watch 200 players cram into a shitty looking bridge on a map because everyone wanted to be as close as possible to get the most XP.  Then some genious saw these tight packed crowd, and the ladder mechanics the devs had to "expand gameplay" by getting onto roofs and stuff.  All of a sudden, you have an amazingly overpowered, fucking hilarious weapon that would launch 20+ people across the map to their deaths. This would make you rage if you got caught, be the best feeling in the world if you got a perfect ladderpault, became part of the strategy of the game, and then eventually got completely removed.

That's what you guys need to bring back, this mod is probably too far gone, and any and all new modes (Conquest, Rush, whatever you have in store) will certainly be improvements. But don't lose sight of what you guys managed to capture for about a year, that so many players were willing to put up with all the grindy bullshitty OP ranged bad maps whatever elements to enjoy.

I think chadz and friends have an idea about this, as Strategus is basically an open world facebook game that allows you to grief and screw other people over, and chadz is definitely a fan of this kind of gameplay from his original ideas about the space game in project asinus.  Whatever you guys are working on now, it is crucial to get some of those "emergent gaming" possibilities back into it.  Allow and encourage players, groups of friends, whatever to build shit together, perhaps significantly alter the map.  Back in the day people in cRPG figured out how funny it was to spam siege equipment in camping spots and stand there every round and people went with them, creating hilarious forts.

This playstyle was forgotten about until ATS brought it back on NA, when forward spawns and weapon racks let them build custom forts with unlimited throwing ammo in funny places from ladder placement and fight to the death.  People who did this got ban polled, screenshotted, tk'd, and eventually you guys went so far as to try to remove this choice in the first place, so it goes back to a more streamlined and frankly boring experience.

Fact was that was a group of friends thinking outside the box with a limited amount of sandboxy tools they had to do hilarious, memorable things that had resonating effects on people.  Of course the reaction was usually rage at "being griefed" and it got stamped out, but it was a good example of a design principle that should be embraced rather then frowned upon.

Imagine how much more fun the game would be if battle mode was 30 minutes long, maybe even hours long until a reset, and there was no winning or losing after one team is dead, letting you respawn. A bunch of people can choose to camp part of a map and build fortifications, then defend it like it was the Alamo for the entire map, while other players can just joust each other as cav in the plains while respawning.  Peasants have menial shitty jobs but still get paid for the map and will inevitably be slaughtered over and over by the knights.  More of that sandbox feel that cRPG used to have, that gave it a soul and personality instead of a simple deathmatch.

I think Conquest mode really could accomplish a lot with the current structure of cRPG and fixing many problems.  You could have much longer rounds, a purpose to build with construction sites and lock down areas, take creative approaches to defending or attacking places, more teamwork, a more compelling game experience in general instead of generic battle gameplay of cookie cutter builds mashing at each other.  A chance to step back from the boring slot limitations, recycled native gameplay, get people to do new things  I talked a LOT about it in a thread I made, and it recieved overwhelming praise and excitement.  http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/conquest-gametype-combine-strategus-siege-and-battle-into-1-bad-assed-mode/ (http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/conquest-gametype-combine-strategus-siege-and-battle-into-1-bad-assed-mode/)

I think a lot of these ideas are being explored for future development and maybe the team's next game, I'm not exactly sure.  But there were so many things in cRPG's history that captured this idea of enabling the players to make their own game and play their own way that usually had hilarious effects, and the dev team here has systematically stamped out every single one of them except in Strategus. And what do you guys have there now.  People working to devise rules that anything remotely outside-the-box is "against the rules" because it makes people upset and cry about how some battles are not exactly identical to every other one.  Because some people think boring, formulaic gameplay with no new ideas is easier to win in, I guess.  But it is most definitely not more fun to play.

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Duster on March 01, 2013, 07:42:43 pm

Tears, I don't think I've ever seen sarcasm be more lost on someone.

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Smoothrich on March 01, 2013, 07:43:20 pm

Figure out who is Tears and who is me.

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 01, 2013, 07:45:08 pm

Quote from: Duster on March 01, 2013, 07:42:43 pm

Tears, I don't think I've ever seen sarcasm be more lost on someone.

You mean yourself?  :wink:

I do realize that most of what Smooth posts is sarcastic or joking, but I reserve the right to find it amusing that every week or three he directly contradicts himself and is rarely consistent in his trolling stances like most people are.


I honestly don't take any of his posts anywhere serious, I don't think anyone should for anyone on this community. Irregardless though of intent, his constant back-and-forth will always amuse me. I certainly hope you did not think I honestly consider him a Schizophrenic or that any of my posts are serious  :lol:

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Tibe on March 01, 2013, 07:45:14 pm

It would be the most epic thing ever if that skinny guy in the front with the back to the future shirt was actually Panos. Him always talking about women, beer and sharing badass mohawk pictures and later looking like that irl.  :D I think CMP and chadz would dare to pay him a visit with a baseballbat...

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Mlekce on March 01, 2013, 07:57:27 pm

That was the NA guys,i wonder how EU players look like. :D

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 01, 2013, 09:04:39 pm

Name and shame

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on March 01, 2013, 10:37:49 pm

Quote from: Smoothrich on March 01, 2013, 06:10:46 pm

cRPG is a great game with one of the best communities I've ever been a part of online.  Let's all talk about how many friends we've made or how much fun the game and its forums are.  Some people say mod is dead, but it's never felt more alive to me.

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You guys are the best.

Best smoothrich post 2013.

Not even joking, though. So many people say the community is shit, but people generally say that about every multiplayer game. The inside jokes, the so fahnny me-mays, everything about cRPG is fucking hilarious and great to me. The only shit part is when people call eachother cheaters and try to get one another banned.

Oh, and free spook, please.

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Kelugarn on March 01, 2013, 10:48:23 pm

This text based diplomacy simulator is the best I've ever found, I have to admit. The little combat mini-game thing is ok too, I guess.

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Kafein on March 01, 2013, 10:56:04 pm

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Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Teeth on March 01, 2013, 11:53:57 pm

Quote from: TurmoilTom on March 01, 2013, 06:17:07 pm

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Words can not describe how awesome I think this is.

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Andy on March 02, 2013, 12:08:52 am

Am I a beloved member of the cRPG community?

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: KingBread on March 02, 2013, 12:17:46 am

Quote from: Tears of Destiny on March 01, 2013, 07:38:46 pm

More of Smoothrich's Schizophrenia?

NO

If you have multiple personalities its NEVER IS SCHIZOPHRENIA FAKIN NEVER. It stiupid Hollywood movies makes you think that and its not true.

Its either Dissociative identity disorder ICD-10 F44.8 or more calmly Bipolar Disorder (in this one person have feeling of being one person all time but can have completly diffrent emotional stances towards same objects ICD-10   F31).

In schizophrenia if a guy think he is a jesus then he is a jesus period. He is not switching between jesus and satan randomly. 

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 02, 2013, 12:46:11 am

Quote from: Mlekce on March 01, 2013, 07:57:27 pm

That was the NA guys,i wonder how EU players look like. :D

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Had to find the child friendly version of the cover because google is always watching. You'll find the better one when you search for Manowar Gods of War :P.

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: owens on March 02, 2013, 12:56:49 am

^Searched up the real one. That's not EU son, that is PK!

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Molly on March 02, 2013, 12:58:07 am

I actually read the things ToD qouted and I agree mostly... I do miss the silly times of crpg. Ladders were fun, Boulder on a stick was fun, proximity experience was fun. I actually think that it was overall more fun, back when those things were in...  :oops:

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Rainbow on March 02, 2013, 01:04:08 am

I love smooth.  He was one of my favorite admins.

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 02, 2013, 01:48:00 am

Quote from: owens on March 02, 2013, 12:56:49 am

^Searched up the real one. That's not EU son, that is PK!

Yeh EU is the one with women :P

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 02, 2013, 10:53:50 am

cool forum, though I made no friends thusfar  :P

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: KingBread on March 02, 2013, 11:01:35 am

But you are watched so you gain some attention

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Shpritza on March 02, 2013, 11:11:13 am

Quote from: TurmoilTom on March 01, 2013, 06:17:07 pm

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Harlem Shake?!   :D

Title: Re: Let's Celebrate Ourselves
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 02, 2013, 11:14:00 am

Quote from: KingBread on March 02, 2013, 11:01:35 am

But you are watched so you gain some attention

im fabulous!