Wish we could have avoided it, but so be it. Its gonna be nice to defend for once, hopefully we dont get fucked over by more bugs.
There's no avoiding it since you guys decided to take our villages but the good side to all of this is that were gonna get some more mad exp. Best strat in my opinion so far if not for the fact that it looks like its gonna end up just as usual with the same people against each other
You guys did it to yourself, FCC wouldnt have fought Occitan, and we wanted to leave Hero Party and Fimbulvetr to their war, doesnt really make much sense for Hero party to attack us while they are fighting 2 other equal/larger clans.
... I mean we attacked their ally after all and while we are bigger than NH members wise, they did have an advantage in troops/gear/money or at least they should have had the advantage since we've been relocating 2 times in EU land to finally come back on NA considerably slowing down our economical power and troop gathering.
You guys did it to yourself, FCC wouldnt have fought Occitan, and we wanted to leave Hero Party and Fimbulvetr to their war, doesnt really make much sense for Hero party to attack us while they are fighting 2 other equal/larger clans.yolo
To be honest i never wanted to attack Frisia/NH but once you start something, however stupid it is, you've got to deal with the consequences and the consequences were us at war with NH... I mean we attacked their ally after all and while we are bigger than NH members wise, they did have an advantage in troops/gear/money or at least they should have had the advantage since we've been relocating 2 times in EU land to finally come back on NA considerably slowing down our economical power and troop gathering.
Because of this and the stupid attack on Rindyar castle, we couldn't just do as if nothing happened there and go fight FCC up north leaving our lands open for an angry NH invasion as retribution. Its easy to understand why we decided to keep pushing NH at that point... We did bite a bit more than we could chew and decided to go all out on NH instead of spreading our armies and get rdy for a push from FCC afterward which never came at the time.
I would've loved to just go against Kesh and not having to deal with you guys jumping in as usual but then again, you did say you wanted the desert so you probably would've jumped on us anyway as we would've been fighting up there (which is a smart move). All in all, its more of a "It's how strat and this community works" than a "You guys did it to yourselves" thing. You can ask Baleohay, I've been talking with him before all the wars started and we did try to make it different for this version of strat... We were not able to come to anything good because certain people are too stubborn to change anything and they keep talking shit
You guys did it to yourself, FCC wouldnt have fought Occitan, and we wanted to leave Hero Party and Fimbulvetr to their war, doesnt really make much sense for Hero party to attack us while they are fighting 2 other equal/larger clans.
We did try and become friends this strat. I even had our people on board but got veto-ed by your leadership. Even helped get your guys some new land thinking that it would maybe earn a little friendship. We attacked hosp, you attacked us in return and started our war off.
I have no issues with it honestly. War is the only thing to make this game fun. Typical battle lines but had some other choices been made it did not have to be that way.
To be honest i never wanted to attack Frisia/NH but once you start something, however stupid it is, you've got to deal with the consequences and the consequences were us at war with NH... I mean we attacked their ally after all and while we are bigger than NH members wise, they did have an advantage in troops/gear/money or at least they should have had the advantage since we've been relocating 2 times in EU land to finally come back on NA considerably slowing down our economical power and troop gathering.
Because of this and the stupid attack on Rindyar castle, we couldn't just do as if nothing happened there and go fight FCC up north leaving our lands open for an angry NH invasion as retribution. Its easy to understand why we decided to keep pushing NH at that point... We did bite a bit more than we could chew and decided to go all out on NH instead of spreading our armies and get rdy for a push from FCC afterward which never came at the time.
I would've loved to just go against Kesh and not having to deal with you guys jumping in as usual but then again, you did say you wanted the desert so you probably would've jumped on us anyway as we would've been fighting up there (which is a smart move). All in all, its more of a "It's how strat and this community works" than a "You guys did it to yourselves" thing. You can ask Baleohay, I've been talking with him before all the wars started and we did try to make it different for this version of strat... We were not able to come to anything good because certain people are too stubborn to change anything and they keep talking shit
Turbo, shit happens... it happened to us as a smaller faction than your 11 man. Enjoy the xp while it lasts.
We'll survive. I think it's just hilarious he is saying it was some kind of unavoidable mistake, like some kind of act of god
Occitan is the one faction in strategus that has a serious set of ideals and sticks to them.
Uhhhh, not really. beating up on a 10-man faction not really following a "set of ideals." Just because they say it a lot doesn't mean its actually true. Anyway should be some good fights.
Fimbulvetr has 37 members.
"OCCITAN / HERO PARTY ALLIANCE: Trust us, that 10 man NH faction, 10 man absolutely poor and new-founded Frisian faction, and that few man Dracul faction are definitely superior to our might."
Are you my old friendlords serious?
EDIT: Can we all agree to quit quoting one faction's website member count and then comparing it to how many "active" members you have? It's getting old.
You're forgetting that Frisia was attacked while our enemies were under the pretense that we were a neutral faction not in the Fimbulvetr alliance.
Fimbulvetr has 37 members.
you moved into a fief that had been taken from a HP ally less than a week prior and that's why the fief got attacked - that's not an "attack" because at that point you're like a squatter attempting an adverse possession
if i took that castle from you, gave it to whatever KUTT is calling themselves now, would you consider the matter settled and let KUTT hold onto it?
I think that would be quite ironic and comedic considering Tanken is now in Frisia. :twisted:
"OCCITAN / HERO PARTY ALLIANCE: Trust us, that 10 man NH faction, 10 man absolutely poor and new-founded Frisian faction, and that few man Dracul faction are definitely superior to our might."
You're forgetting that Frisia was attacked while our enemies were under the pretense that we were a neutral faction not in the Fimbulvetr alliance.
Would be nice if everyone just stopped with the "help help we're being repressed (sic)" bullshit and just get the fighting on (if you want to do diplomacy, try teamspeak, much more useful than the forums)(click to show/hide)
I would like to see actual Casualty counts between the 3 or so wars.(FCC vs HP/Occitan, VE vs LCO(HP just got involved), and Fim vs LCO,HP)
I believe that the war of LCO vs Fim was actually slightly in FAVOR of LCO, as Fim has suffered far more losses than LCO in this war.
LCO lost 3 armies at Kedelke and Rindyar.
Fim lost an army (flag capped too) in their Counter of the Rindyar army(so net loss was far far more on Fim side).
LCO lost two armies trying to smash kedelke.
Fim lost 1 army defending Zagush(Occitan lost 2/3)
Fim Lost 2 armies retaking Zagush.
And depending on Occitan choice, will suffer nearly a third loss for the final capture (and occitan's capabilities).
In terms of the War between VE and LCO
VE has lost 2 armies (3.2k) Trying to smash that damned desert castle.
VE lost 1 army(tickets only) due to that shitty server bug
VE lost 2 armies attempting to take on Tomba
LCO lost
2ish armies in their villages
In the grand scheme of things, Occitan considering their standing has lost SIGNIFICANTLY less than you'd except. I do believe the lost tickets will advance into the 10k mark between both sides before the war is over. And with Occitan on the DEFENSIVE (and in super heavy armor) VE needs to change tactics beyond ticket burning to win.
Please correct all the actual numbers as I fought in only half of these battles.
Defenders have a enormous advantage, Occitan themselves suffered it when they attacked NH. VE pretty much got screwed because of small and accessible castle, catapults bug, inventory bugs, early battle where we were not able to fill our rosters and timers because we attacked with too many troops. Timers probably killed over a thousands of our troops so we have to watch out for that. Overall we've learned a lot from it and we will probably defend for a while until the server stabilize.
I know, I've fought mostly for VE as I was to low level(27 at start) to make Occitan Rosters, that and VE hired me first.
But in the NH vs LCO war, NH actually has lost MORE than LCO. it'll be 3-4 armies to retake zagush totally, they took it in 1. In addition, LCO only lost 3 OTHER ARMIES in their failed assaults on other fiefs. In terms of manpower lost, NH while on the DEFENSE has suffered 1 losses to LCO's 3. While on Defence LCO has suffered no loss and forced NH into 3 losses. By losses we mean that at battles end Troop count was/is 0 after battle(due to flags, timers, or otherwise).
But, anyways, syls could you get actually numbers lost in all VE battles. I'd like to See how much both sides have lost so far.
Same with FCC and Hero Pary and NH. I want to see the Casualty count.
By raw I mean troops killed + timer kills. The Castle bug forced us to lose 1600 troops and some gear without really fighting. The catapult bug probably worsened the score as well but I didn't calculated it.
Siege Velucan raw troops killed : 9091
Siege Velucan troops killed : 7231
Battle Velucan raw troops killed : 3839
Battle Velucan troops killed : 3368
Total Velucan raw troops killed : 12930
Total Velucan troops killed : 10599
Without the castle bug raw : 12930 - 1600 = 11330
Without the castle bug : 10599 - 1600 = 8999
Siege Occitan troops killed : 4837
Battle Occitan troops killed : 2974
Total Occitan troops killed : 7811
So in the end if you don't consider timer kills and BS bugs : Occitan killed 8999 of our troops while we killed 7811 of theirs.
I also may have missed one or two smaller battle but I don't really think so.
Raw troops? :rolleyes:
If there is one "omission" that you could take out it would be the battle that didn't happen because of the equipment bug. I don't really get why you'd try to separate troops lost by timer... It's part of battles/sieges.
This is the first time I hear of this catapult bug, since you guys seemed to have broken walls in most sieges.. you know if the catapults weren't broken before that.. I do think I remember one of them breaking and doing the lag bomb on us for a bit. Then again we all know that could happen if you let the defender break it. (Like Black White did to Occitan's catapults, IIRC).
Let's try to give Occitan more credit here shall we?
"Occitan killed 8999 of our troops while we killed 7811 of theirs."
^ That's like putting a blanket over the actual numbers, because from the battles I've been a part of... only one of them was actually close, and it was the morning field battle (where we did the congo line). At least.. the big battles.
Arowaine : 600 of those troops were population, I can't really remember if any of them were geared so I guess you could remove them from the count.
Also at anders and all the gear haters: both the hoc and tkov gear invetorys for the majority of these troops have been shit we bought before thanksgiving, but telling bonesaw to waste gear is about as effective as telling him to stay sober.
So far we lost 7678 troops against VE since it started and we lost 5262 against NH. As for the gear, we have been funded mainly by our victory against VE, i have yet to go through all the 1000 +3 corrazinas/heavy helmets/gloves/boots we bought since the start of this whole war. Against Fimb we were in heraldic mails with tabard/kettle helmets/mail gauntlets/leather boots until we started using the gear you guys gave us in our victories
So is this the official LCO losses?
Our 1hs havent been great, but like hobb said these armies were just the vanguard, not the best troops we have. And i dont really think we need to change strategys anders, while we have been getting alot of bugs and AM battles, it hasnt been going that bad for us. We lost more tickets sure, but we were able to lure something like 3k Occitan troops out of their fortresses and into the field, and went around 1:1 with them (before timer losses). We killed alot more there then if we had fought the same armies in their castles. And at the end of the day, we can afford to lose these troops, Occitan cant.
Our 1hs havent been great, but like hobb said these armies were just the vanguard, not the best troops we have. And i dont really think we need to change strategys anders, while we have been getting alot of bugs and AM battles, it hasnt been going that bad for us. We lost more tickets sure, but we were able to lure something like 3k Occitan troops out of their fortresses and into the field, and went around 1:1 with them (before timer losses). We killed alot more there then if we had fought the same armies in their castles. And at the end of the day, we can afford to lose these troops, Occitan cant.
FCC loses have not been bad. Only big mess we had was the city fight against hosp. Otherwise we have done well in just about everything we got going on.
No idea how far back you want use to start looking.
Recently Shik hit us with about 2,800. We killed them all and took around 3000 in loses from it. about 700 of that being population that did not have much in the way of equipment.
Not really willing to go back tot he hosp battles and stuff. Those were long enough ago that the troops lost have been replaced two fold.
Don't count us out just yet ;)
I'm confused why hp would post their losses against what seems to be themselves.
You're forgetting they didn't attack you to be the big bad meany trying to take candy from a baby. They had a reason for attacking Rindyar, but you can ignore that and pretend you're the helpless child being harassed for your candy.
At the time of the attack there had been no public announcement or acknowledgement that NH and Frisia had formed FIMBULVTR, Occitan was told after they had already attacked, retreat or NH will be at war with you.
Would be nice if everyone just stopped with the "help help we're being repressed (sic)" bullshit and just get the fighting on (if you want to do diplomacy, try teamspeak, much more useful than the forums)(click to show/hide)
And you're forgetting that you're a gaylord bitchbaby.
Oh wait, I'm supposed to be roleplaying.
Avast, yonder moor is a knave!
Spergnerd bitchbaby.
Considering you have to be the one attacking to lose troops to timers, it's certainly not occitan "strategy" that made us lose those troops but our own miscalculation. I made sure to separate everything so that one could make his own mind of it all. In the case of the catapult bugs, I'm talking about the bug that made it impossible to make more catapult after the first 2 catapults were destroyed. Considering that the lack of catapults in those particular castle make attacking it a lot more deadly, it IS worth mentioning. Same with timer kills since we now know that any army bigger than 1500 for a field battle is a waste and probably won't happen unless we're desperate.
I really didn't think I had to explain that since it's pretty straightforward, Krosis. You may want to think a bit before posting if you don't know what i'm talking about and pretty much calling me a liar.
You're forgetting they didn't attack you to be the big bad meany trying to take candy from a baby. They had a reason for attacking Rindyar, but you can ignore that and pretend you're the helpless child being harassed for your candy.
"NO WE R TEH TROO UNDRDOGZ!!#11!!1!"
That stated, I think we should follow that historical example, and every single NA strat faction should get involved on one side or the other. Veluca did it - why shouldn't you?
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It's not LCO strategy no, but you keep mentioning this like it was your fault those troops were killed off timer.. part of it could be that but the fact that these battles have been so well defended has a lot to do with it too. Obviously rushing your armies against the great defenses is not going to be any better, and it's not going to make a difference, in fact it would have only made the battles more of a massacre. The reason I mention this is because you don't seem to be giving LCO any props for how these battles have been going on but at the same time this is understandable.
I'm not calling you a liar, I'm saying to try to hide the real numbers by throwing out "excuses", and technically that's what they are. I can understand the one battle where both armies had the gear glitch, but as far as "timer" and "catapult glitch" these types of problems happen to other clans, not just yours.
I'm just saying it doesn't seem like you're being a good sport about it. Not calling you a liar, but like I said I understand your point of view and why you would be mad about this, but even if I do remember LCO talking about their glitch against Frisia, they also gave them props.