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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: JasonPastman on February 08, 2013, 08:14:05 am

Title: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: JasonPastman on February 08, 2013, 08:14:05 am
Well as a former Teutonic member, I was there first hand and observed as Wesley self destructed and essentially abandoned his faction. 

I was on a recon mission (of my own prescription) when I observed considerable mobilization from the south headed toward Teutonic lands.  I quickly informed the rest of the members and we began to plan how we would survive the invasion.  We concluded that the enemy would be in range within 48 hours and that we would finalize our plans the following night.  When the next evening came around Wesley had a break down deciding not to prepare for the situation and instead to smoke up with his friends (something common for him when the situation gets hot).  This lack of preparation left all of the fiefs and castle vulnerable to assault as none of them had adequate gear to defend against an assault.   Inevitably Teutonic was/is subject to defeat as they did not fortify thus leaving all of its territory's vulnerable instead of say, reinforcing their castle.    The consistent inconsistency exhibited by wesley and to a lesser extend his sidekick Orc essentially disabled that faction from functioning as an effective force rather to act as a tween female experiencing menstruation for the first time (I apologize to any tween females experiencing menstruation for the first time in relation to the remark, however please understand the context and subsequent cultural connotations of this concept).  It is at least to me an utmost disappointment and is the reason I left their clan and shortly after was banned from their ts for confronting Wesley and his sidekick on the matter.  These members of the c-rpg community had so much potential to accomplish great things however that teenage mentality has clearly impaired their ability to function as an effective organization and ultimately culminated into their demise.

A fair warning to those that would enter into agreement with them.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Bronto on February 08, 2013, 11:11:03 am
Better name for this post would've been "No one Cares".


Gottem
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: ArysOakheart on February 08, 2013, 12:08:34 pm
Damn, and I thought being an alcoholic was detrimental to my clan....
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Pentecost on February 08, 2013, 03:03:35 pm
Real story in short form for anyone who wants a laugh: This guy was a member of FCC a while ago but got kicked out for trying to start internet intrigues and, more importantly, constantly being an insufferable drunk douchebag on TS. Something about stuff like unironically insulting people's dead parents and whatnot.

After his removal, he was apparently extremely buttfrustrated and wanted revenge. He joined Teutonic and then, by all accounts, started trying to court various people and factions to attack FCC and members of FCC for him, while not amending the whole "inebriated loon" act that got him kicked out of FCC in the first place. I heard from other Teutonic members about how they had to find refuge on other voice comms when this guy was online and how they had to deal with members of FCC coming into their TS and complaining about them having this guy in their roster.

Anyway, when CHAOS launched their invasion in Strategus (which had nothing to do with him or his designs), he took the initiative to go talk to them and represented himself as having the authority to broker a deal (he didn't) in which Teutonic would betray FCC and instead help CHAOS fight them, or something like that. The other Teutonic leaders weren't willing to go along with this, though, and said they would rather be wiped than betray FCC, which somewhat increased the amount of respect I have for them. That said, it wasn't long afterwards that this Jason got kicked out of Teutonic as well for going against the goals of the clan as well as being a terrible person overall.

He's also been banned something like 7 times by different admins. While I don't have anything against him personally, I honestly don't know why he's still a member of the community.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on February 08, 2013, 03:18:08 pm
and said they would rather be wiped than betray FCC, which somewhat increased the amount of respect I have for them.

Not quite true.

Teutonic are a bad clan.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Umbra on February 08, 2013, 03:19:36 pm
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10/10 would read again
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: jtobiasm on February 08, 2013, 04:45:02 pm
When the next evening came around Wesley had a break down deciding not to prepare for the situation and instead to smoke up with his friends

So he has to stay in and do strat instead of going out?
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: ildist on February 08, 2013, 04:59:22 pm
gottem coach
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Zox_Fury on February 08, 2013, 05:04:21 pm
It seems we read/watch Dallas plot  :shock:  . I'm waiting for the next episod
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: JasonPastman on February 08, 2013, 05:16:38 pm
It seems we read/watch Dallas plot  :shock:  . I'm waiting for the next episod

Episode 2:


Slezkh Castle Info
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Hey Jason,

Here's our info on Slezkh Castle, let's keep this info tight though.

Nova Slezkh Castle

Troops: 3744
Population: 1710

Gear

Footwear
2800    Rus Cav Boots
459    Rus Shoes

Body Armour
269    Tabard
263    Padded Cloth
795    Blue Gambeson
150    Lamellar Vests
400   Steppe Armour
2800   +3 White Surcoat Over Mail

Headgear
2800    Chapel de Fer with Aventail
100   Mail Coif

Gloves
60    Leather Gloves
35    Leather gloves
2831    +3 Mail Mittens

2H Weapons

900   Heavy Bastard Swords
250   Goedendag
3   Morningstars
3   Bastard Swords
65   Mallets
72   Two Handed Axes
550   Long Axe (or is this polearm?)
16   Fighting Axes

1H Weapons
5   Arabian Swords
100   One Handed War Axes
41    Flanged Maces
41   Steel Picks
1050   Arming Swords

Polearms
8   Fauchard
350   Tridents
46   Board Spears
23   Heavy Lances
98   Pikes
7   Lances
240   Long Spears
9   Long Awl Pikes
183 Bamboo Spears

Ranged Stuff
<10   Arbalests
400ish   Bolts
2500ish   Arrows
87   Bodkin Arrows
60ish   Bows (mostly horn)

Siege Stuff
268    Construction Material
1   Construction Site
28   Siege Shields
300   Siege Ladders
5   Medium Ladders

Shields
15   Heater
100   Blue Norman Shields

Cavalry
9   Coursers

Other
There is probably some minor stuff that I missed but that's the majority of what we've got at the moment.

Peace,
Coulbert
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Shadowren on February 08, 2013, 05:22:03 pm
Things are getting to spicy for the pepper :!:

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Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Duster on February 08, 2013, 05:29:36 pm
Jason, you know how when you meet a lady, and all they seem to do is trash talk their ex, some red flags go up?
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: partyboy on February 08, 2013, 05:33:26 pm
Jason I see you're still creepy as fuck
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Oberyn on February 08, 2013, 05:37:59 pm
Stoners and drunks, oh my. ITT, addicts fail at Strategus.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 08, 2013, 05:48:18 pm
Choosing to go hang out in real life with friends instead of diddling in the dark with Strategus is not a break down...


Wes' never seemed to take Strategus too seriously, and that is probably one of the largest reasons why I like him so much and enjoy his company, he is one of the few sane ones in Strat Leadership.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Oberyn on February 08, 2013, 05:50:47 pm
Choosing to go hang out in real life with friends instead of diddling in the dark with Strategus is not a break down...

Agreed. I'm guessing the whole irresponsible stoner who runs away from his problems angle was mostly propaganda. I'd say "bitchy rumour spreading" but it's the diplomacy forum and somewhat related to Strategus.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: JasonPastman on February 08, 2013, 06:28:54 pm
Agreed. I'm guessing the whole irresponsible stoner who runs away from his problems angle was mostly propaganda. I'd say "bitchy rumour spreading" but it's the diplomacy forum and somewhat related to Strategus.

No wolf it's truth, unfortunately.  This was the case when Rebache and Slezkh fell as well.  In fact Wesley did show up for the ismirala fight which we were winning until he left half way though.

Whats most disappointing is how instead of taking responsibility for these losses like a good leader Wesley blames others.  For example for Rabache it was Angellos fault for not reinforcing the fief. Slezkh was Arathians fault for not making himself available,  the fall of Teutonic is everyone else s fault for not being active enough. 

When one centralizes an organization around himself the responsibility for the outcome of that organization is on him.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Rhalzo on February 08, 2013, 06:35:19 pm
I just want to say that none of us on the attacking side of Slezkh expected the single siege capture. There was good gear in there for defense, which could have lead to two experience filled battles. Things just worked out in our favor that day. I wouldn't really blame anyone for that outcome.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: JasonPastman on February 08, 2013, 06:55:18 pm
I just want to say that none of us on the attacking side of Slezkh expected the single siege capture. There was good gear in there for defense, which could have lead to two experience filled battles. Things just worked out in our favor that day. I wouldn't really blame anyone for that outcome.

I was there as well, and in Wesley's absence Arathian asked Kesh to lead the battle.  Kesh appointed some EU baddie whose commands amounted to, "kill them", "fight harder" etc.  There was not one tactical decision made in that battle on our side, no shield walls, no attempt to create any sort of effective defense.  It also hurt to that half way through the fight we ran out of helm and thus were 1 shot by any player who knew enough to take advantage of this.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Little Lord Lollipop on February 08, 2013, 07:02:06 pm
Strat is srsbiznes
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Wesleysnipes on February 08, 2013, 07:16:23 pm
  Lol Jason, you ALWAYS bash other clans how they are fucking up Strategus. You talk shit about other Strat leaders as well. Not only that you go on drunken rants for an hour how you have this brilliant idea/goal in Strat(Which never happens). All you do is talk talk talk, but what the fuck have you accomplished? You act like a "Leader" but have not created a faction. Have never lead Strategus. You are a compulsive liar.

  Yes I banned you from TS because you talked shit about every member in Teutonic including me. You say you were in Teutonic but you never added the tags. When I asked you to add the tags you left the clan that day.

  Orc knows more of last night(when you were almost passed out drunk on your floor).

  -Cheers
 Your beloved ex Leader Wesley
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: JasonPastman on February 08, 2013, 07:24:25 pm
You know Wesley... That hurts my feelings  :cry:
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Casimir on February 08, 2013, 07:48:29 pm
They didn't heed my sermons or repenteth their sins!
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: BaleOhay on February 08, 2013, 07:58:11 pm
Conffirming fcc booted Jason. He is a decent player but generally full of hate and was just hard to have around in ts. He found picking on our players relentlessly to be a fun thing to do. Dead parents,people in prison or your race all fair game. Was voted out and went to tuetonic... which is funny since we share a ts. Guess he did not last long with them either. Maybe he will spend his time annoying tuets in battle chat instead of us for a little while
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Elindor on February 08, 2013, 08:14:43 pm
Conffirming fcc booted Jason. He is a decent player but generally full of hate and was just hard to have around in ts. He found picking on our players relentlessly to be a fun thing to do. Dead parents,people in prison or your race all fair game. Was voted out and went to tuetonic... which is funny since we share a ts. Guess he did not last long with them either. Maybe he will spend his time annoying tuets in battle chat instead of us for a little while

Sounds like a real winner.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Gmnotutoo on February 08, 2013, 08:35:04 pm
Conffirming fcc booted Jason. He is a decent player but generally full of hate and was just hard to have around in ts. He found picking on our players relentlessly to be a fun thing to do. Dead parents,people in prison or your race all fair game. Was voted out and went to tuetonic... which is funny since we share a ts. Guess he did not last long with them either. Maybe he will spend his time annoying tuets in battle chat instead of us for a little while


If you were to classify what kind of treacherous snake Jason is, it'd be the Anaconda. He trashes anyone that doesn't agree with him and in general is a terrible person to have in your faction. He stalks Murdertron at his work (IRL harassment). He tried to subvert BRD by getting all the members he likes to make a copy-cat clan. He did the "I've in BRD for weeks, who the fuck are you Partyboy" and then unsuccessfully tried to convince all of the FCC to turn their back on BIRD CLAN. He intentionally does poorly in strat battles, as evidence by the last few times FCC hired him and when he signed up for birdclan. He gets loaded on ambien and alcohol and then rants loudly for hours in TS. Intentionally breaks rules in battle servers and leeches. Lies and manipulates to get people on his side.

Good riddance you prick.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on February 08, 2013, 08:50:34 pm
This thread is full of fuck.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 08, 2013, 08:56:12 pm
Well, I'm guessing that Jason will be happy in his new clan given a few common denominators, best of wishes there!  :wink:
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: JasonPastman on February 08, 2013, 08:59:05 pm
Thanks Tears
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Duster on February 08, 2013, 09:00:48 pm
Well, I'm guessing that Jason will be happy in his new clan given a few common denominators, best of wishes there!  :wink:

He fits in quite well.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on February 08, 2013, 09:01:38 pm
Probably a good idea to lock this thread, no one is coming off good~
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 08, 2013, 09:03:52 pm
Probably a good idea to lock this thread, no one is coming off good~


Speak for yourself, I look FABULOUS!
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Artyem on February 08, 2013, 09:04:46 pm
I figure Teutonic 'fell' because they got jumped by Ildist and Mates, CHAOS and FIDLGB(?) when they were in the middle of their war of aggression on Fimbulvetr.  It would have been pretty even too, considering at that point we were fighting off the French-Canadian wave in the south.  Honestly, the only reason anyone should play this is because:

1. It's a game, games are for fun.

2. Strategy is cool, not that this game really supports strategy, but why the hell not.

3. Experience, strategus battles are great for XP, almost to the point that I only play cRPG itself to get strat ticks.

The diplomacy section is great for getting a good laugh and realizing that there are people out there who take Strategus far too seriously, and that could be because some people deal with stress differently from others, if Wesley has to go light it up with his friends to remember that it's a game and not his life, then who gives a shit?  For all we know it could be your fault, Jason, no one here really seems to support your claims and you're really just making yourself look like even more of an ass clown.

This section needs a large, easy to find disclaimer.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Gmnotutoo on February 08, 2013, 09:06:12 pm
Probably a good idea to lock this thread, no one is coming off good~

Give it one month and you'll be feeling like we all do.

Best advice I can give you guys is don't give him personal information and monitor his behavior, he is liable to turn on you at any moment.


Speak for yourself, I look FABULOUS!
You're always fabulous, darling.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on February 08, 2013, 09:28:21 pm
There seems to be a common trend here with inexperienced (as far as strat is concerned) clan leaders like Tanken and Wesley. When faced with high pressure situations in strat they simply collapse under the pressure or run away from the problem completely. I would think that kind of a person would be the last kind of person who should be in any kind of leadership position as high pressures situations are a part of that. People on this board have a habit of trashing certain clan leaders in strat, and say what you want about them, but when the chips are down they stand up and face the situation like men (if that's possible in an online video game), giving their all and doing the best they can to effectively lead their clan to victory.

I dont know if what jason says is true, but the defense some have given wes i think is incorrect. When you choose to lead a clan you are making a commitment to your players and you have a responsibility. Who knows how much time and effort the Teutonic clan members have spent building up their clan in strat. I understand choosing to do other real life things over strat is not only perfectly fine but encourage-able and preferable as some of you have mentioned. However in this case, when your clan is in its greatest danger, and your clan mates have put in so much time, and your clan trusts in you, and you have made that commitment and have that responsibility for them as their clan leader, that you need to take that evening to prepare the defense of your clan, again you made a commitment. Sure if there had been something in real life that was very urgent then ok, but not doing anything and allowing months of your clans hard work to be wiped out like that because you "wanted to get high" isnt a good excuse.

Whlie its not a good excuse the situation does remind me of a south park clip i really like:
Title: Why Jason Failed
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 08, 2013, 09:30:18 pm
Jason failed because everyone started thinking he was fucked up.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Rhalzo on February 08, 2013, 09:36:57 pm
Here's a random recording from the other night. It's like 52 minutes long. Recorded with Windows Sound Recorder so enjoy hearing me typing and hitting my bong at times.

(click to show/hide)

I also don't remember what was even said during this time span.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Malaclypse on February 08, 2013, 09:53:09 pm
Here's a random recording from the other night. It's like 52 minutes long. Recorded with Windows Sound Recorder so enjoy hearing me typing and hitting my bong at times.

(click to show/hide)

I also don't remember what was even said during this time span.

I don't even know if I can handle this much Jason- also, fuck Jason for his idiotic, unfunny, misogynistic remarks, using young women experiencing their biological nature for the first time as some sort of malus to be compared to (maybe I'm wrong, maybe he spends all day every day reaching out to scared, confused young girls who haven't been educated on their own bodies and can thus count himself as knowledgeable of their reactions, or maybe he's just as asshole, place your bets).
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: MURDERTRON on February 08, 2013, 09:55:34 pm
Did you guys miss the part where he's stalking me?
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Rhalzo on February 08, 2013, 09:58:36 pm
Did you guys miss the part where he's stalking me?

It seems like that you have made a new IRL friend. Or you can just get a restraining order or something.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Auphilia on February 08, 2013, 10:13:47 pm
Jason, if you wish you can join up with my clan. You must be very flexible as I change my theme every other week.
We can offer you quality rehabilitation and bring out the good person inside of you.
Profanities are not allowed in my TS when certain individuals are present.
We do not troll each other too much and we treat each other with loving kindness.
If you do anything wrong or upsetting, I will talk to you in private about it.
Any problems that arise would be dealt with in a calm and understanding manner.
Many of us like to role-play innocent looking female characters so that people think we are adorable.
It is important for us to feel special, and we want you to feel special too.

As far as strategus, I've personally lead two serious strategus factions and rage quit them both.
However, I assure you that I am a brilliant commander (at least for my current role-play).

Our current theme is barbarians. Most of my commands will be as follows:

CHARGE!!!!!
KILL EM ALL!!!
BRING ME THEIR SKAULLLZ!!!
NO MERCY!!!
Black Wolf, take your men to the south east and flank between the large oak tree and the river bed. You have exactly 12 seconds to cross the river and hit their archers. At 23 seconds, you must regroup your men and fall back behind the hills for cover, at which point I will counter push with the main force from both the west and the north. At 35 seconds you will be met with a unit of agile berserkers. I want you to lead them to the enemy flags and secure the points. When their flags have fallen you will hold the position to the last man. If the resistance is low, I want you to personally head to the northern hill and light the beacon. This will signal our forces to launch a full frontal assault on the enemy positions. When this is done, take your remaining men and hit the enemy from behind. Your objective is to surround the enemy commander and capture him alive. If the battle goes well, I will grant you the honors of slaying him.
RETREAT!!!!
FALL BACK!!!
[H]ELP!!!


Oh and we make cute videos sometimes.

Let me know if you are interested :3
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on February 08, 2013, 10:39:53 pm
http://www.soundcloud.com/rhalzo/teutonic

lol

Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on February 08, 2013, 10:44:40 pm
oh man you really should of closed this thread when I told you to Jason this recording ahahaha
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: miggy on February 08, 2013, 10:54:49 pm
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Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 08, 2013, 10:57:09 pm
(I apologize to any tween females experiencing menstruation for the first time in relation to the remark, however please understand the context and subsequent cultural connotations of this concept).

Apology not accepted.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: JasonPastman on February 08, 2013, 11:01:14 pm
I would encourage every one to listen to that recoding as it is super epic.

My favorite part is 47 minutes in specifically Orc's quote "well jasons deffinetly got us a lot of agreements and opportunities since hes been here."

Thanks buddy

https://soundcloud.com/rhalzo/teutonic
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Tanken on February 08, 2013, 11:09:52 pm
            For a long time after we fell, I wanted to take revenge on Teutonics. I always pictured that I'd be leading at least one of the armies to take them out. However, Wesley was nice and paid compensation for his "war crimes" and thus, I joined TAMDA. There will always be a very very mild hostility towards them, it's not something you can easily forgive. Yet at the same time, it saddens me to see them fall as we did, in a similar amount of time. Perhaps the Tundra is cursed.


            My best wishes go out to Teutonics and friends, hope you can regain some footing in the near future and start fresh as we did. What I can see from personal experience that it is better to start very small and only take what you need, when you are fully ready. Good luck to you guys.
Title: Re: Why Teutonic Failed
Post by: Orc_Slayer on February 08, 2013, 11:18:52 pm
            For a long time after we fell, I wanted to take revenge on Teutonics. I always pictured that I'd be leading at least one of the armies to take them out. However, Wesley was nice and paid compensation for his "war crimes" and thus, I joined TAMDA. There will always be a very very mild hostility towards them, it's not something you can easily forgive. Yet at the same time, it saddens me to see them fall as we did, in a similar amount of time. Perhaps the Tundra is cursed.


            My best wishes go out to Teutonics and friends, hope you can regain some footing in the near future and start fresh as we did. What I can see from personal experience that it is better to start very small and only take what you need, when you are fully ready. Good luck to you guys.
there will always be purple in the tundra... always