Nodachi speed and length went down.Maybe 3% of the 2h users use a nodachi. About 80 use either Danish or German greatsword. So 2h pretty much dodged the nerfing.
Maybe 3% of the 2h users use a nodachi. About 80 use either Danish or German greatsword. So 2h pretty much dodged the nerfing.
Maybe 3% of the 2h users use a nodachi. About 80 use either Danish or German greatsword. So 2h pretty much dodged the nerfing.Right the same thoughts. I wonder whether the developers themselfs are Greatswordwhatever cowards?
- 2h users complaining that 2h is dead and pole is the way to go
- pole users complaining that pole is dead and 2h is the way to go
LOL.
Maybe 3% of the 2h users use a nodachi. About 80 use either Danish or German greatsword. So 2h pretty much dodged the nerfing.
Next up: pole and 2h are dead, 1h is the way to go thread.
- 2h users complaining that 2h is dead and pole is the way to goNormally I'm the cynical bastard who loves to point out these things, but when I look at numbers, I see a theoretical imbalance. Not only that, but I haven't had a single person who can form a coherent argument provide to me any reason as to how The German Poleaxe and Elegant Poleaxe aren't blatantly better than the German/Danish Greatswords.
- pole users complaining that pole is dead and 2h is the way to go
LOL.
Polearm maces were really broken (high damage, speed, knockdown and reasonable range) in the hands of some.No its my badluck, evry weapon i have ever used had been nerfed. Why me OMG, its ONLY ME I THINK xD
All these speed comparisons are just showing that you should not be able to be so fast as you could be v0.212, with mw weapon + dedicated spam build. I think it's better now with the patch.
Yes because new shorter and slower stab animation and -7 pierce damage means 2H dodged the nerfing.New animation? My german gaysword alt still felt the same when stabbing. They didnt get -7, I believe german greatsword's default stab damage was 30, now 25. Which is a decrease in 5. Okay that is a big nerf, a much needed one.
2H no longer have the lolstab, hafted polearms were balanced. Now 2H and Polearms now have similar damage, some 2H are faster, but with shorter reach, the stab speed is now the same, polearms got a bit more range on stab (didn't test it properly though). Sounds pretty balanced to me.
Melee and cav are obviously dead, archery is the way to go :D
Maybe 3% of the 2h users use a nodachi. About 80 use either Danish or German greatsword. So 2h pretty much dodged the nerfing.
Long dagger is the way to go now. All the rest is broken.Give it 30 pierce man, it doesn't block. Same with dagger [& other knives accordingly]. Shouldn't be nerfed in all categories.
- 2h users complaining that 2h is dead and pole is the way to go
- pole users complaining that pole is dead and 2h is the way to go
LOL.
2h swords going through blocks? Must be your ping then or something...Either way, 2h stabs really got nerfed beyond usefulness by a huge increase in stun caused by a succesful block. Don't believe me? Pick up any 2h sword and try to "lolstab" people to death now.
As for killing Phyrex in a duel, I managed to do that once yesterday! He kicked my ass in all our other duels though. :rolleyes:
My ping is usually in the 40s-60s, even when its in the low 40s 2h swords go through blocks often. Especially nodachi and 'good' 2h sword users that tend to go through my blocks more than anything.
Called failblocks ? lol. And 2h is shit(GGS,DGS), giant nerf on stab. Swords which were mostly made for stabbing, doesnt even have a better stab than glaives. which isent made so much for stabbing. And the stun you get when your stab gets blocked is lame.
The DGS and GGS is pretty slow too now. Compared to their size and weight.
Called failblocks ? lol. And 2h is shit(GGS,DGS), giant nerf on stab. Swords which were mostly made for stabbing, doesnt even have a better stab than glaives. which isent made so much for stabbing. And the stun you get when your stab gets blocked is lame.
The DGS and GGS is pretty slow too now. Compared to their size and weight.
2h swords are faster, stronger, easier to block with and easier to use than probably all the polearms.
Are you trolling or simply just a retard? I for one will not take the bait.
My massive two-handed complaint(QQ) thread is being worked upon and will be posted in due time.
Are you trolling or simply just a retard? I for one will not take the bait.
My massive two-handed complaint(QQ) thread is being worked upon and will be posted in due time.
Heh, I beat Phyrex a few times on the duel server 2 days ago. All due to me blocking his thrusts.
Using a polearm?
using a katana
btw; 2H's arent better than polearms now taht lolstab has been nerfed imo
From my experiences those who were OP with lolstab pre-patch are still OP with lolstab.
Have you duelled any of the great pre-patch lolstabbers after the new patch?
people like phyrex, Atze, Razzen and those guys ain't half as good as they used to be
All I can tell you is that Phyrex couldn't block my attacks after his thrust, and when we experimented with him blocking my thrust, I couldn't block his attacks either.
I couldn't block his german greatsword.
Phyrex is the fastest 2h user I know... Lol I'm sure he could make a great maul look like it's going 2000 miles an hour.
So, you think it's okay that even though both stood in front of eachother and I knew what direction he was gonna attack from after my stab got block/stunned he managed to hit me without me having a chance to block it?
This is fairly hypothetical on my part in an actual fight, because thrusting with a katana is risky business at best.
I can stand there with a hafted blade and tickle a plate user with half powered hits, a 2h user of the same situation would probably kill the plate user in 2 hits as usual.
Yesterday on the duelserver I've had various instances where I blocked a GLA with my longsword (had to block it twice most of the time due to polearm stun) and when I hit back, I got hit by their second attack before mine connected.
This didn't happen due to polearmstun, they were just that fast.
I'm throwing this one on my low proficiency in 2h, but maybe others experience the same.
Meh it's not really in the same league as the great lolstabbing swords like the Danish, German and Great.I think you missed the point. The point was that neither could block eachothers attack, after our thrust had been blocked(and therefore stunned).
The difference being that now, powerbuild + MW LHB = cheat. Powerbuild + MW GGS isn't. Polearm wpf has a way bigger impact on speed than 2h wpf, and the animation is still too jumpy and the recover time too short. The main problem is the animation being very slow at the beginning when the strike is prepared, then way too fast when it is launched. It's not rare to see a polearm swing begin on one frame and end in the next frame. There's no point in going str polearm (apart from the very situational long maul), so allmost all polearm players just go 12/27 and nearly stunlock people with LHB/Glaive/GLA... The plate user is pretty much hopeless against a polearm agibuild, as he will never catch him due to the lack of speed, and furthermore will have difficulties blocking with all this stun stuff.
2 handers offer some possibilities for str builds (and not especially crushtrough).
On top of that, the only viable weapon for cavalry is the heavy lance, which is a polearm. Many cav are just as good on foot when they take their GLA out of their pocket. I think many polearms should be switched to another weapon class, with only the 4 attack directions weapons, that just are 2 handers with another prof anyway, and that category nerfed someway. Many real polearms (you know, when you use the thrust attack...) don't need a nerf.
wrong - wrong - WHAT? - wrong.
2h swords are faster, stronger, easier to block with and easier to use than probably all the polearms.
Overall I think melee is pretty well balanced nowadays. Just take away polearm stun (and I main polearm) and I'll be happy.
- 2h users complaining that 2h is dead and pole is the way to go
- pole users complaining that pole is dead and 2h is the way to go
LOL.
Means you must have done something right :mrgreen:what polearm stun?
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ANd yes on a sidenote polearm stun is.... well... its just out of place :?
what polearm stun?
what do you mean?
bah, this tiny stun is usefull for public but not for duel. you wont hit noone twice bacause of this ms. i wonder what the intention of donkey crew is?said the die-hard polearm lobbyist.
Make duel more interesting if you can decide between german and danish sword? plz Nerf the polearm more, i still can attack!
Archery is dead, slot change killed it. Throwing is the way to go.
I'm lovin' it.Paul my friend, i donated because of you:D
High weight is both good and bad. Bad because of slower movement speed, obviously. Good, because high weight allows longer stun and also protects against stun/crushthrough. I personally think the advantages "outweight" the movement penalty here.
Also, one can't simply compare the reach of weapons in different categories. 2h animation give a big range bonus compared to polearms. 1h animations have both advantages and disadvantages and their only "reachy" attack is the right-to-left swing. Comparing the speed is also difficult because of the animation differences.
I want you (developing team only) to explain the reduce of speed on knobbed- and spiked mace!
How does it come that my heirloomed Knobbed mace is now slower than the normal version on patch 0.210, inflicts less (4 points) blunt damage and is unballanced?
And the best weapon, THE 2hs still have the same spd rtng 92 and swing damage?
Plz give me a reason!
I have chosen the knobbed mace bacause its the only alternative to 2hr (for example GERMAN GREATSWORD) and to avoid being a 2h coward without ballz.
Give me the point!
The reason :come on duel i will show you the overange of 2h if you dont belive :D oh wait, i was talking about OVERHEAD AND STAB. i pointed out the sideswing is not buged xD
Knockdown.
/terminate thread
Btw, you two are ridiculous. Swing polearms and 2h are more similar than any other couple of weapon categories.
come on duel i will show you the overange of 2h if you dont belive :D
Two-Handed
- ???
Polearm
- More damage. (what pole are you talking about?)
- Better thrust. (OMG you cant be serious you LolstaberxD )
- Bonus against shields. (helpful against 2hs ?)
- Hit stun. Stagger effect when hit. (oh yeah i see, evry time i hit i have 1min to hit the poor stuned guy over and over 8D)
- Weapon stun, polearms are generally heavier. (ye its the weight, neither the length nor the speed. CLEAR :D )
- Horse stopping thrust. (evryone can pick up a staff/pike to stop a horse, but wait on duel you fight horses in major right? D: )
- Cavalry equipment - lances. (evryone can use lances but lancers need to set points on riding. so we cant tank us like 2h with IF)
- Anti-cav and support - pikes. Oh and lets not forget that you can thrust-curve around teammates and overhead through teammates on enemies. (ye Mr. Lolstaber the CURVE xD)
Doesn't require a rocket-scientist to understand that two-handed is vastly inferior to polearms.
You dont seem to be a rocket-scientist more a 2h lobbyist. Very weak your "hard facts".
Dont fear the balance Mr. Lolstab!
Phyrex won.+1, irrefutable arguments, mathematics is not an opinion
+1, irrefutable arguments, mathematics is not an opinionActually, comparing Elegant Poleaxe and Danish Greatsword:
Oh I don't know... maybe Elegant Poleaxe, German Poleaxe, Great Long Axe, Poleaxe, Bec de Corbin. Are these enough?
Two-Handed
- ???
Polearm
- More damage. (what pole are you talking about?)
- Better thrust. (OMG you cant be serious you LolstaberxD )
- Bonus against shields. (helpful against 2hs ?)
- Hit stun. Stagger effect when hit. (oh yeah i see, evry time i hit i have 1min to hit the poor stuned guy over and over 8D)
- Weapon stun, polearms are generally heavier. (ye its the weight, neither the length nor the speed. CLEAR :D )
- Horse stopping thrust. (evryone can pick up a staff/pike to stop a horse, but wait on duel you fight horses in major right? D: )
- Cavalry equipment - lances. (evryone can use lances but lancers need to set points on riding. so we cant tank us like 2h with IF)
- Anti-cav and support - pikes. Oh and lets not forget that you can thrust-curve around teammates and overhead through teammates on enemies. (ye Mr. Lolstaber the CURVE xD)
Doesn't require a rocket-scientist to understand that two-handed is vastly inferior to polearms.
You dont seem to be a rocket-scientist more a 2h lobbyist. Very weak your "hard facts".
Dont fear the balance Mr. Lolstab!
Fun fact: Lanic0r is agood point of view for a backpedaller 2h user =)below averageshitty duelist and is just pissed because he's unable to take out 2h demigod duelists with his triple loomed long hafted knobbed mace he expected a knockdown and free kill from everytime he eventually hits his enemy.