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Title: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 25, 2013, 01:12:19 pm
Would you be fine with permanently getting rid of some veterans who can often be a nuisance? I'm asking because I've been thinking. I was initially going to apply for a second ban appeal in April, but considering the amount of players who voted No in the thread about freeing me, I'm not sure it's a good idea. If I'm not welcome here anymore, I don't see the point. I'll obviously play (insert secret game) once it's out, but for obvious reasons I'd start fresh with an incognito pseudo.

So disregarding obvious causes for my infamy, would you be fine with it? I'm not particularly sensitive and I'm used to being bashed and whatnot, so don't be reserved with your words.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Vibe on January 25, 2013, 01:21:08 pm
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Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: LordBerenger on January 25, 2013, 01:22:04 pm
Quote from: Bjord on January 25, 2013, 01:12:19 pm
Would you be fine with permanently getting rid of some veterans who can often be a nuisance? I'm asking because I've been thinking. I was initially going to apply for a second ban appeal in April, but considering the amount of players who voted No in the thread about freeing me, I'm not sure it's a good idea. If I'm not welcome here anymore, I don't see the point. I'll obviously play (insert secret game) once it's out, but for obvious reasons I'd start fresh with an incognito pseudo.

So disregarding obvious causes for my infamy, would you be fine with it? I'm not particularly sensitive and I'm used to being bashed and whatnot, so don't be reserved with your words.

Incoming secret code to Bjord that communists on this forum can't read.


Gör så. Det här community't är nog ett av de top 10 värsta på internetz. Tyska/Britter som försöker vara backseat-admins och är så jäkla gnälliga.

Massa här som förespråkar kommunism och nazzism. Massa tröga jänkare som lever i sin mammas källare och bara flamar forumen och försöker bete sig som att trolla är en konst.

Nej, skit i detta forum och community't helt och hållet. Bara dra. Spela något annat spel. Och så fort du känner att du vill köra CRPG/Warband/CRPG 2.0 bara säg nej.

Tro mig. När du kommer tillbaks under ett annat namn kommer eventuellt andra att känna igen dig. Sedan så är det TS biten med.

Det är bara en jäkla cirkel som fortsätter om och om igen.

Lämna CRPG, nya spelet och fokusera på RL eller börja ett annat spel.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: [ptx] on January 25, 2013, 01:22:16 pm
Keep your ego to yourself and i doubt anyone will care.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Panos on January 25, 2013, 01:52:23 pm
Free Bjord goddamnit!!

It`s a shame that your clanmates didn`t back you up when you got banned  :|
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Miwiw on January 25, 2013, 01:56:14 pm
Just stop all the harassing and think before speaking, otherwise shut up, and you're welcome...
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: BarBeQ on January 25, 2013, 02:00:35 pm
regarding to the incognito thing No!, you should be recognizable, giving you another identity is just a reason to troll again.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Gnjus on January 25, 2013, 02:09:07 pm
I don't understand how people cannot defend themselves from Bjord and his shit-talking, when he starts you just hit back so hard that he shuts the fuck up with his ears down like a puppy, all in disgrace. If you can't do it on yourself hire a pro.  :wink:

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Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: chadz on January 25, 2013, 02:16:49 pm
Quote from: LordBerenger on January 25, 2013, 01:22:04 pm

Gör så. Det här community't är nog ett av de top 10 värsta på internetz. Tyska/Britter som försöker vara backseat-admins och är så jäkla gnälliga.


It's funny how it's always the rotten apples that complain about the entire stash being bad.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on January 25, 2013, 02:18:04 pm
Don't listen to newmy old friends or nativemy old friends Bjord. You have my support.

And most importantly, never listen to those who don't play the mod.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on January 25, 2013, 02:22:45 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on January 25, 2013, 01:22:16 pm
Keep your ego to yourself and i doubt anyone will care.

this.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Araxiel on January 25, 2013, 02:23:25 pm
You are unstable Bjord. One day all is good between you and me and next day you are insulting me starting with my nation and going further. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on January 25, 2013, 02:26:56 pm
Quote from: Araxiel on January 25, 2013, 02:23:25 pm
You are unstable Bjord. One day all is good between you and me and next day you are insulting me starting with my nation and going further. :mrgreen:

Yesterday you did the same.

Also the reason why people make fun your nation is because you guys are too sensitive about it. Have you ever seen some scandinavian flipping out when someone said something stupid about his country? I don't think I have seen such a thing.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Molly on January 25, 2013, 02:31:14 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on January 25, 2013, 01:22:16 pm
Keep your ego to yourself and i doubt anyone will care.
This, really.

I know you're a nice guy from TS. Just shut up and play the stupid game... :P

Quote from: LordBerenger on January 25, 2013, 01:22:04 pm
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Tin foil hat someone?
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Araxiel on January 25, 2013, 02:32:46 pm
Quote from: Leshma on January 25, 2013, 02:26:56 pm
Yesterday you did the same.

Also the reason why people make fun your nation is because you guys are too sensitive about it. Have you ever seen some scandinavian flipping out when someone said something stupid about his country? I don't think I have seen such a thing.
I am not as sensitive as other Turks around here but he goes in to some nasty degrees.

And i know when to stop when i annoy people.
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Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Gnjus on January 25, 2013, 02:58:58 pm
Quote from: Araxiel on January 25, 2013, 02:32:46 pm
I am not as sensitive as other Turks

Orospu čočugu.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Vibe on January 25, 2013, 03:14:41 pm
Quote from: LordBerenger on January 25, 2013, 01:22:04 pm
Incoming secret code to Bjord that communists on this forum can't read.


Gör så. Det här community't är nog ett av de top 10 värsta på internetz. Tyska/Britter som försöker vara backseat-admins och är så jäkla gnälliga.

Massa här som förespråkar kommunism och nazzism. Massa tröga jänkare som lever i sin mammas källare och bara flamar forumen och försöker bete sig som att trolla är en konst.

Nej, skit i detta forum och community't helt och hållet. Bara dra. Spela något annat spel. Och så fort du känner att du vill köra CRPG/Warband/CRPG 2.0 bara säg nej.

Tro mig. När du kommer tillbaks under ett annat namn kommer eventuellt andra att känna igen dig. Sedan så är det TS biten med.

Det är bara en jäkla cirkel som fortsätter om och om igen.

Lämna CRPG, nya spelet och fokusera på RL eller börja ett annat spel.

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Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on January 25, 2013, 03:28:58 pm
Well, he has a point. I haven't been in many online gaming communities so far (used to play singleplayer games) but this is probably the worst I've been part of. But I ain't any better which means, sadly, I fit perfectly in this community.

Also, american communities are better at least from my perspective. Based on what I've seen here, Europe is rotten country in so many ways.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Vibe on January 25, 2013, 03:36:07 pm
Quote from: Leshma on January 25, 2013, 03:28:58 pm
I haven't been in many online gaming communities so far

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Quote from: Leshma on January 25, 2013, 03:28:58 pm
but this is probably the worst I've been part of.

pretty self explainatory

And the gif is refering more to his moonspeak, rather than the content. Too lazy to gtranslate that shit.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Belatu on January 25, 2013, 03:44:33 pm
Why dont you just wait until your ban is over and then try again?
You will have some time to grow yourself in real life and probably it will be easier for everybody.
Look at Panos, he has become such an elegant and kind sir  :rolleyes: 
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Jacko on January 25, 2013, 03:49:06 pm
Ett av dom värsta på internet? Hahah, nej du, inte ens nästan. Helt okey community med en jävla spridning på etniciteter och sätt att se saker, till skillnad från jänkarforum som tenderar att vara mer homogena.

Stanna om du vill (det är ett spel, man lirar för att det är roligt), men om du envist fortsätter med att bryta reglar och förolämpa folk (nej, man kan inte ursäkta allt med 'trolling'), så kommer du bli bannad igen, oundvikligen. Varför inte bara hänga med dem du vill hänga med och spela andra spel? Det är ju så de flesta gör här, cRPG råkar mest vara samlingspunkten.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Araxiel on January 25, 2013, 03:57:45 pm
Quote from: Gnjus on January 25, 2013, 02:58:58 pm
Orospu čočugu.
You used wrong letters. Orospu çocuğu.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Gnjus on January 25, 2013, 03:57:56 pm
Quote from: LordBerenger on January 25, 2013, 01:22:04 pm
Incoming secret code to Bjord that communists on this forum can't read.


Gör så. Det här community't är nog ett av de top 10 värsta på internetz. Tyska/Britter som försöker vara backseat-admins och är så jäkla gnälliga.

Massa här som förespråkar kommunism och nazzism. Massa tröga jänkare som lever i sin mammas källare och bara flamar forumen och försöker bete sig som att trolla är en konst.

Nej, skit i detta forum och community't helt och hållet. Bara dra. Spela något annat spel. Och så fort du känner att du vill köra CRPG/Warband/CRPG 2.0 bara säg nej.

Tro mig. När du kommer tillbaks under ett annat namn kommer eventuellt andra att känna igen dig. Sedan så är det TS biten med.

Det är bara en jäkla cirkel som fortsätter om och om igen.

Lämna CRPG, nya spelet och fokusera på RL eller börja ett annat spel.

Quote from: Jacko on January 25, 2013, 03:49:06 pm
Ett av dom värsta på internet? Hahah, nej du, inte ens nästan. Helt okey community med en jävla spridning på etniciteter och sätt att se saker, till skillnad från jänkarforum som tenderar att vara mer homogena.

Stanna om du vill (det är ett spel, man lirar för att det är roligt), men om du envist fortsätter med att bryta reglar och förolämpa folk (nej, man kan inte ursäkta allt med 'trolling'), så kommer du bli bannad igen, oundvikligen. Varför inte bara hänga med dem du vill hänga med och spela andra spel? Det är ju så de flesta gör här, cRPG råkar mest vara samlingspunkten.

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Quote from: Araxiel on January 25, 2013, 03:57:45 pm
You used wrong letters. Orospu çocuğu.
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Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Kafein on January 25, 2013, 04:03:57 pm
Quote from: Leshma on January 25, 2013, 02:18:04 pm
And most importantly, never listen to those who don't play the mod.

Okay that was your most incoherent post ever.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on January 25, 2013, 04:10:21 pm
I firmly believe that people who don't play for whatever reasons and aren't part of development team shouldn't comment what needs to be done with the mod to make it better.

Someone said that you have better view at things the less you play. I fail to see how is that possible.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Kafein on January 25, 2013, 05:00:10 pm
Quote from: Leshma on January 25, 2013, 04:10:21 pm
I firmly believe that people who don't play for whatever reasons and aren't part of development team shouldn't comment what needs to be done with the mod to make it better.

Someone said that you have better view at things the less you play. I fail to see how is that possible.

Not playing, or at least not expressing your opinions right after playing is a good way to avoid making errors caused by a particularly bad day or flawed conclusions based on rare events that seemed common during your last play session.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Falka on January 26, 2013, 09:49:09 pm
Banning ppl for saying "suck it slowly" is silly... Well, in general perma banning ppl for a few insults is silly  :wink:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Osiris on January 26, 2013, 11:13:06 pm
SORRY! couldn't resist :D

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Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on January 27, 2013, 12:16:57 am
If Bjord was an admin then I'd agree with all the anti-Bjord posts. As he's just another player I say FREE BJORD..

I don't think the community here is bad but I do think some people take things far too personally... Ok fine I've been guilty of this but I didn't want anyone banned because of my butthurt. I understand that Bjord has taken things too far previously and was punished accordingly but a lifetime ban, or 1 year ban w/e it is? Cmon that's completely harsh especially to players like Bjord. Because to cRPG addicts sometimes a month without cRPG can seem like a year without cRPG! Bjord has been a cunt to me sometimes in the past but I never took it seriously because I saw the funny side.. He doesn't even give a shit about me but I don't think it's fair to ban him this long nor anyone else unless they commit serious  game changing offences such as hacking.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Tibe on January 27, 2013, 02:04:14 am
Yes, pretty nice guy when it comes to TS, douche ingame. He even made a thread about how he loves being a douche. Definately a guy with some personal issues, when he somehow must feel the need to release his anger on fellow gamers time and time again. Its kinda like those Youtube videos were grownup men try to make kids rage ingame and than think they are God. I admit funny, but completely pathethic that you find adults acting this way. Little bit is fine, go overboard and its just sad. Whats the point of keeping your true identity a secret in other games, when you still end up acting the same way? Many games take chatabuse more seriuslly than Crpg you know.

But I also agree with Murmillus. A ban forever is definately too much for someone who only gets his kicks from provoking others. Id support your unban, since clever chatabuse amuses me, even when its directed at me. :twisted:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on January 27, 2013, 02:28:14 am
He's still a veteran. Players like him are partially the reason why I play this mod. You see someone good and you want to play like him. No more such players for many reasons (one of them being cmp's desire to make it impossible to kill many players on your own). That's also one of the reasons why EU5_NEW is empty most of the time and why there isn't that much new players coming to the mod like before.

And I find it particularly silly that certain players, who acquired a position during last two and half years are so willing to ban someone they are playing with for such a long period.

Bjord as a player, means much more to this community despite everything he said than, let's say, Zlisch.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Osiris on January 27, 2013, 02:40:48 am
Quote from: Leshma on January 27, 2013, 02:28:14 am

Bjord as a player, means much more to this community despite everything he said than, let's say, Zlisch.


hahahahahahaha poor zlisch :D
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 27, 2013, 06:13:21 am
Thanks for the support, but as I understood it, the length of my ban is due to my previous record.

Anyway, I'm fine with not playing until April. To be honest, cRPG kinda lost its spark for me. This ban just hastened things up. The only reason I'm still here is for all the other oldmy old friends (that without doubt includes you, Murmi, you are a very old my old friend :wink:).

I'll probably mute everything but team chat and then ask an admin to mute me while I'm playing or something.

Also, Tiberius; thanks for your concern but I assure you I have no "personal issues" and I don't get "kicks" out of pissing off kids. Amateur psychology does not bequeef you. As I recall having said, I don't condone harassment and that's what got me the essay ban. Then if some admins decide to bend some standards in favour of my ban, that's another story.

I will admit the insult toward Turkish was unnecessary, but the rest was negligible compared to every day chat activity on the servers.

@Leshma: No need to try to defend me or anything, it won't make a difference. Admins and other verbally hyperactive members of this community already have their opinion or me and I doubt that will ever change. If I care or not is a different subject.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 27, 2013, 06:33:50 am
i had no opinion about you, but you kinda gave me one: i actually didnt really know you (didnt play eu1 that much) and one day i see you running around flaming at people. the first thing i hear is: 'i hate YOU too'
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Prpavi on January 27, 2013, 10:44:21 am
oh well we all had our days on the servers and on the forums.

sure Bjord can be a douche (we like our douches in this community dont we  :mrgreen:), but why take it to heart like Gnjus said write fuck off and/or mute him in chat and thats it.

FREE BJORD!
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on January 27, 2013, 01:22:27 pm
He might be a douche in chat but at least he's isn't playing like a total douchebag. On the other hand, SB_Veselov is mute most of the time (except when I kill him couple of times in a row and he swears at me in russian language) but his play style is downright disgusting. For me, he's bigger douchebag than Bjord will ever be. But he still has to top DenBitre_Agor (who's not with us anymore).

Btw. this is how french players like to call me, just because they aren't using english doesn't mean they aren't being offensive.

Quote
leshmachatte => leche ma chatte => lick my pussy (english translation)


Same goes for russians and turks who are way more offensive than Bjord but luckily for them, most admins don't understand a word they are saying.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Tibe on January 27, 2013, 01:42:12 pm
Quote from: Leshma on January 27, 2013, 01:22:27 pm
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This is true. Being a sore looser or a downright horrible winner is worse than ingame douchebaggism.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 27, 2013, 01:50:02 pm
silly frogs
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: rufio on January 27, 2013, 01:59:24 pm
zlisch is a hypocrit and a parasite himself, bjords ban is a huge overreaction imo, and a long term mute or something in that direction would have been more fitting.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Nessaj on January 27, 2013, 02:29:25 pm
Quote from: rufio on January 27, 2013, 01:59:24 pm
zlisch is a hypocrit and a parasite himself, bjords ban is a huge overreaction imo, and a long term mute or something in that direction would have been more fitting.

When you've accumulated a ton of offences it doesn't matter whether you're doing a small or big offence, the penalty will be much more severe, because obviously the previous penalties did not get the message through. Especially anyone who's been perma-banned or essay-banned is on an extremely short "leash".

In general the moderation of this community is much more lenient than other established communities, the amount of chances and good will here is truly something else, usually troublemakers are instantly shunned instead of given multiple chances.


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I too would personally prefer a global mute, though that of course doesn't protect against griefing just abuse.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: rufio on January 27, 2013, 04:32:41 pm
thats my point, bjord has some major issues with going tofar with chat abuse, but ingame teamhitting and tking and the such is not the issue as far as i know. ah well a punishment had to be made nevertheless
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on January 27, 2013, 04:58:12 pm
Both me and you, Rufio, have similar episodes like Bjord. Maybe not so extreme, but I admit I'm not much better than him when it comes to chat rage. His problem is that whenever he does that, some admin is online (usually Tenne) :D
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Teeth on January 27, 2013, 06:12:12 pm
Quote from: Bjord on January 25, 2013, 01:12:19 pm
Would you be fine with permanently getting rid of some veterans who can often be a nuisance?
Yes, I don't know why you seem to think that being a longtime player entitles you to some special treatment or makes you indispensable. You deserved a ban, count yourself lucky it wasn't a complete permaban I guess.

You are being defended by Berenger and Leshma, that should tell you something. If you were some funny troll or something, but all the shit you spew out is caused by your narcissistic personality disorder.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Tears of Destiny on January 27, 2013, 06:41:58 pm
I've heard worse on the forums then what Bjord says in game. I've heard much worse on NA too. He does need to tone it down though, but I would like to see him back.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Belatu on January 27, 2013, 11:20:15 pm
permamute could be great
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Corwin on January 27, 2013, 11:36:06 pm
FREE HIM! GODDAMN!
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Kafein on January 28, 2013, 01:12:25 am
Why was he banned for anyway ?
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on January 28, 2013, 02:17:25 am
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Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Oberyn on January 28, 2013, 02:44:18 am
I don't need to give you any cutesy offensive nicknames to insult you, and I'm also french last time I checked. All I need to do is say "Leshma" and schizophrenic unstable douchebag with occasional delusions of grandeur pops immediately into the head of anyone who ever reads these forums.

ps Free Bjord, permaban Leshma.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 28, 2013, 12:42:00 pm
who would ever rage in chat

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Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Osiris on January 28, 2013, 12:54:07 pm
you say leshma crazy? u crazy O.o
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 28, 2013, 04:04:33 pm
Huh.. i always loved this community for what it is, full of trolls and raging 2h etc. I mean even the devs are trolls, and i find it hilarious. Cant believe so many people are so butthurt.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on January 28, 2013, 04:52:49 pm
Quote from: Oberyn on January 28, 2013, 02:44:18 am
ps Free Bjord, permaban Leshma.

Couldn't agree more. Free Bjord!
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Araxiel on January 28, 2013, 05:01:52 pm
Quote from: Oberyn on January 28, 2013, 02:44:18 am
ps Free Bjord, permaban Leshma.
Leshma wants this too. Please make it happen.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 29, 2013, 02:10:18 am
Quote from: Teeth on January 27, 2013, 06:12:12 pm
Yes, I don't know why you seem to think that being a longtime player entitles you to some special treatment or makes you indispensable. You deserved a ban, count yourself lucky it wasn't a complete permaban I guess.

You are being defended by Berenger and Leshma, that should tell you something. If you were some funny troll or something, but all the shit you spew out is caused by your narcissistic personality disorder.

I don't think I came across a more bitter and insecure cunt like yourself. At every turn you attempt to belittle me, at every turn you show up with your Holier than Thou attitude. Get over yourself already.

And you must be retarded if you think anyone assumes that being a long time player lets you abuse others. No, it fucking doesn't. But it gives you the benefit of familiarity. Frankly, after what you just wrote, I regret ever having shared it with you. Others may think that you're a top notch guy who always has witty remarks and whatever, but in reality you're no different than whatever Freudian'esque terms you like to throw at me. I'm sorry, but asserting yourself above someone else does not work like American blockbuster movies. More explosions won't make it better, and more psychological jargon won't make it more valid.

Also, why does it matter who defends me? Yes, Berenger's post was silly, but it doesn't affect me at all. Leshma is simply saying pretty agreeable things that I feel co-incide with my own thoughts, and apparently others' too. In any case, it has no relevance. If you're judging people instead of the content of their posts you need to wake the fuck up and have a look in the mirror.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Grumbs on January 29, 2013, 03:15:17 am
If you get to the point where you're essay banned in a community like this (lax as hell), and then you get banned again then you should probably look at yourself rather than someone like Teeth.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 29, 2013, 03:18:22 am
Got essay banned for calling kinngrimm "dimmwimm".

Please, say
Quote from: Grumbs on January 29, 2013, 03:15:17 am
(lax as hell)
again.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Grumbs on January 29, 2013, 03:28:21 am
Thats not how essay bans work. When you get to that point then its a combination of factors that act against you. The straw that broke the camel's back

And yes this is probably THE most lackadaisical community I've every been in when it comes to following rules and punishments. Thats a combination of it being a very small community and admins having very little power. If there was some strictness people wouldn't have the opportunity to act out so much, and repeat offenders wouldn't even be here posting still. They just get banned and you never see or hear from them again because they are replaced by some other random guy. Here its all personal and the same guys every day. People get to think they can get away with anything, and they are even welcomed back for the worst stuff as long as you get a new key.

When you're skating on thin ice I don't see how you can be surprised at your ban, and then point at the final thing like thats all there is to consider. You still want to twist it into other people being at fault
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Vibe on January 29, 2013, 09:41:46 am
Quote from: Bjord on January 29, 2013, 02:10:18 am
Others may think that you're a top notch guy who always has witty remarks and whatever.

People think that? :|
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Teeth on January 29, 2013, 10:57:53 am
Quote from: Vibe on January 29, 2013, 09:41:46 am
People think that? :|
Doubt it.

Quote from: Bjord on January 25, 2013, 01:12:19 pm
I'm not particularly sensitive and I'm used to being bashed and whatnot, so don't be reserved with your words.
Sorry for misunderstanding that.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 29, 2013, 11:25:20 am
Quote from: Teeth on January 29, 2013, 10:57:53 am
Sorry for misunderstanding that.

You didn't misunderstand it, you're just being adverserial like always. Insecure personality disorders are a knavery, you should have yourself checked IMO.

I wonder how Freud would tell someone off.. Oh wait, I know. You are a motherfucker.
(Report this post, I don't care.)
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Teeth on January 29, 2013, 12:09:23 pm
Your posts are always gleaming with hypocrisy. Everything you ever accused me off is exactly what you do yourself. It is true that I act spiteful, nitpicky and loathing towards you, which I do only because you act that way towards everyone else and me. You act adversial towards nearly everyone, and now I should get myself checked out because I do it to you? Your double standards for judging the behaviour of others compared to your own is amazing.

Your constant bullshit in the ingame chat would have caused any psychiatrist to at least scratch his head. I love how you always claim that anyone who has heard you on teamspeak knows you're a good and a normal guy. I have heard you on teamspeak on several occasions over a long time and that worries me even more than the way you act in chat. You're a weird dude.

Right, that's enough flinging disorders to each other's heads.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Prpavi on January 29, 2013, 12:14:03 pm
Love how most of the community think the are excelent psychiatrists and practically diagnose and analyse each others disorders. Soon youll be perscribing each others pills.

I was diagnosed several times, you should start charging that fellas, knowledge aint free!
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Molly on January 29, 2013, 12:19:18 pm
Quote from: Prpavi on January 29, 2013, 12:14:03 pm
[...]
I was diagnosed several times, you should start charging that fellas, knowledge aint free!
Explains sooo many things...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Prpavi on January 29, 2013, 12:21:21 pm
Quote from: benkei on January 29, 2013, 12:19:18 pm
Explains sooo many things...  :mrgreen:

by the community i meant. I haz my own shrink irl.

Leshma did one i believe, also Tai_Feng 

quite entertaining i must say  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Molly on January 29, 2013, 12:26:51 pm
Considering your fixation on little asian girls, I say you`re a pedo.

Now, that was easy  8-)
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Prpavi on January 29, 2013, 12:40:54 pm
actually i like older chicks or chicks my age, young girls don't attract me at all...

my fixation on Asian women has nothing to do with "Lolita syndrome" figure that...
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Araxiel on January 29, 2013, 12:45:03 pm
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Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on January 29, 2013, 12:45:26 pm
Quote from: Grumbs on January 29, 2013, 03:28:21 am
Thats not how essay bans work. When you get to that point then its a combination of factors that act against you. The straw that broke the camel's back

And yes this is probably THE most lackadaisical community I've every been in when it comes to following rules and punishments. Thats a combination of it being a very small community and admins having very little power. If there was some strictness people wouldn't have the opportunity to act out so much, and repeat offenders wouldn't even be here posting still. They just get banned and you never see or hear from them again because they are replaced by some other random guy. Here its all personal and the same guys every day. People get to think they can get away with anything, and they are even welcomed back for the worst stuff as long as you get a new key.

When you're skating on thin ice I don't see how you can be surprised at your ban, and then point at the final thing like thats all there is to consider. You still want to twist it into other people being at fault

If everyone was banned forever for every little offence there would be about 40 players max on EU1 at prime time probably mostly consisting of mercs and byz. You wouldn't have much of a clan left either.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 29, 2013, 01:01:25 pm
Quote from: Teeth on January 29, 2013, 12:09:23 pm
Your posts are always gleaming with hypocrisy. Everything you ever accused me off is exactly what you do yourself. It is true that I act spiteful, nitpicky and loathing towards you, which I do only because you act that way towards everyone else and me. You act adversial towards nearly everyone, and now I should get myself checked out because I do it to you? Your double standards for judging the behaviour of others compared to your own is amazing.

Your constant bullshit in the ingame chat would have caused any psychiatrist to at least scratch his head. I love how you always claim that anyone who has heard you on teamspeak knows you're a good and a normal guy. I have heard you on teamspeak on several occasions over a long time and that worries me even more than the way you act in chat. You're a weird dude.

Right, that's enough flinging disorders to each other's heads.

I haven't acted adverserial half as many times in total as you have toward not only me but others who had the "misfortune" of falling out with the general population. You are loathing toward Leshma as well, for example. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I haven't seen him return that treatment to you. I get why Oberyn does it because, well Oberyn is funny and I imagine Leshma in some weird masochistic way enjoys it too. But you're just generally disgruntled and hateful toward everything and anything. It's funny how you think I'm the only one with that opinion of you. Look around, babe.

Pretty sure a lot of people share your opinions as well, but that's old news.

Oh and, I don't recall ever being hostile to you on TS. Or anyone for that matter. For one, I've never had an argument on TS with anyone. I used to troll Jackie and Serth though. Good times, good times. If you want, we can have a chat. :wink: :wink:

Anyway, when it all boils down we're just dudes behind computer screens writing angry and opinionated messages to each other. It's beyond retarded, so I'll take the first step and ignore your posts permanently. I advise you to do the same. Now piss off. :D
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Teeth on January 29, 2013, 01:05:59 pm
Quote from: Bjord on January 29, 2013, 01:01:25 pm
It's beyond retarded, so I'll take the first step and ignore your posts permanently. I advise you to do the same. Now piss off. :D
My thoughts exactly
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 29, 2013, 01:11:16 pm
Bjords voivce got me wet that time he discussed Curtis' future plans over ts.

Major fun, it was like a clash of stubborness.  :lol:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Araxiel on January 29, 2013, 01:11:36 pm
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Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 29, 2013, 01:17:43 pm
Quote from: Joseph_Porta on January 29, 2013, 01:11:16 pm
Bjords voivce got me wet that time he discussed Curtis' future plans over ts.

Major fun, it was like a clash of stubborness.  :lol:

Fkin Curtis, man. Bum4LYF. :lol:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 29, 2013, 01:19:55 pm
Quote from: Bjord on January 29, 2013, 01:17:43 pm
Fkin Curtis, man. Bum4LYF. :lol:

Yeah, long live the Peasant rabble, under achieving is great! Lol'd so hard.  :lol:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Christo on January 29, 2013, 04:55:16 pm
Finally, some good forum drama.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Osiris on January 29, 2013, 05:05:18 pm
should give him a choice :P

banned till October vs perma muted + perma forum ban
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 29, 2013, 05:41:26 pm
Quote from: Osiris on January 29, 2013, 05:05:18 pm
should give him a choice :P

banned till October vs perma muted + perma forum ban

Forum ban? Sorry, but are you daft? :lol:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Tibe on January 29, 2013, 06:08:15 pm
Frankly I enjoyed Teeth's and Bjord's flamewar. Whould have even payed to see it. Craploads of better than the usual stuff:

Flamer1: You are gay
Flamer2: No you are gay
Flamer1: You are idiot
Flamer2: No you are an idiot
Flamer1: Your mom is
Flamer2: No your mom is
etc....
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 29, 2013, 06:28:16 pm
Quote from: TiberiusX on January 29, 2013, 06:08:15 pm
Frankly I enjoyed Teeth's and Bjord's flamewar. Whould have even payed to see it. Craploads of better than the usual stuff:

Flamer1: You are gay
Flamer2: No you are gay
Flamer1: You are idiot
Flamer2: No you are an idiot
Flamer1: Your mom is
Flamer2: No your mom is
etc....
Thats how quality content is produced!
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Casimir on January 29, 2013, 08:56:01 pm
the number of overinflated egos clashing in this thread is outrageous.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Osiris on January 29, 2013, 09:59:43 pm
Im best in the world!
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Tibe on January 29, 2013, 11:04:25 pm
Quote from: Osiris on January 29, 2013, 09:59:43 pm
Im best in the world!

You good sir have major personality disorders and are fucked up in the head for I am the best in the world!
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 30, 2013, 02:25:13 am
Quote from: TiberiusX on January 29, 2013, 11:04:25 pm
You good sir have major personality disorders and are fucked up in the head for I am the best in the world!
ahem, you forgot someone i think



btw bjord. why dont you make a poll asking for how long we think you should stay banned? I dont think your current ban of 9 (?) months is enough, i would make it 12
nah, jk. You should have learned your lesson after a month or maybe two
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Osiris on January 30, 2013, 03:01:46 am
Quote from: Osiris on January 29, 2013, 05:05:18 pm
should give him a choice :P

banned till October vs perma muted + perma forum ban

think of it as punishment medieval style :D

do you care more about playing or posting ^^
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: tizzango on January 30, 2013, 04:21:11 am
Quote from: Prpavi on January 29, 2013, 12:14:03 pm
Love how most of the community think the are excelent psychiatrists and practically diagnose and analyse each others disorders. Soon youll be perscribing each others pills.

This is so true.

By the way guys (those who are giving their psychological diagnosis), where did you pick up your copy of the DSM-IV? Did you know they revised the edition in 2000? "DSM-IV-TR".


In regards to the OP,

The fact that you needed to pose this question to the community makes me believe that this was not a direct or genuine question deriving from self-reflection, but rather a 'cry for attention' (somewhat).
 
I like you on TS Bjord, but the way you conduct yourself in-game is stupid and you know that.. don't be naive about it.

You are still 19 years old mate (I think), it's not wrong to still be immature. As you probably know- being an expert clinician and all- development in ones maturity varies between individuals. It's not uncommon for pre-existing schema's to be reassimilated beyond adolescent years, I assume you and Teeth will know what i'm talking about having studied neuropsychology sometime during your well-established careers.

In all seriousness though, just stop typing in-game or get a permanent mute on both the forums and the servers until you are ready to stop being King Kunt. The answer to your problems.

I still like you though, so don't take this personally!


P.S.
I believe that you guys may have done some psychological studies before, but 'diagnosing' people with psychological disorders over the internet just isn't clever.

No offense lads :P.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leesin on January 30, 2013, 08:30:34 am
Pipe down cunts.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 30, 2013, 11:59:44 am
@tizzango: How can you assume my question wasn't genuine? I was actually curious about people's opinion. Yes, I wanted to know if they wanted me gone or not, because for me, all of this consumes a lot of energy (but it's okay, I got ADHD - bottomless pit of energy) so naturally, if I have to embarass myself one more time by writing an unban essay in April only to get swarmed by angry mobs then frankly I'd just not.

BTW I was actually making fun of the fact that Teeth 9 out of 10 times uses psedo-psychology to reinforce the validity of his posts. I personally find it silly too.

Regardig my in-game behaviour: Yes, piss poor. I was keeping a lid on it lately but then I got home drunk and started playing. Not my brightest idea. :lol:

No offense taken, don'r worry.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Casimir on January 30, 2013, 12:06:33 pm
Breathalyzer test should be compulsory for Bjord, and he should have to take a drink/gaming awareness class.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 30, 2013, 12:10:45 pm
Kids, don't drink and game!

:cry:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Warcat on January 30, 2013, 01:59:00 pm
No! Drink lots, I personally recommend the Tavern in Tulga.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on January 30, 2013, 03:03:36 pm
As I said, Bjord's only problem is that he doesn't know when to stop. Also there's always some admin online when he's doing his thing. Yesterday someone called me white trash from Balkan and told me he's going to sell me on the black market. I took it as a joke because it actually was a joke. But if some admin who doesn't like those kind of jokes was online, that player could end up being muted or even worse, banned.

There's ton of players doing "Bjord's thing" from time to time on a server (including me). But they never overdo it.

Yes, Bjord is quilty of being an ass sometimes. But that essay ban for calling kinngrimm, dimmwimm was ridiculous. People call kinngrimm names because of the way he plays this game. They do the same with SB_Veselov, Shokoshugi_Tiborur, same thing happened to LeoKing. Same thing is happening to me every time I join the server. even on alts. But only in kinngrimm's case someone got banned for it. That is bullshit.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on January 30, 2013, 03:22:01 pm
As you say, I overdid it. Now it won't matter how little I do it, as I have a record, and as such admins will always treat me differently. It's my own fault, really.

I am lucky that Khorin didn't decide to permaban me, as he did have every other admin's (and especially Tennenoth's support I heard) support if he chose to do so. So I guess I'm in no position to complain.

Whatever, I'll be back in April to write an appeal. Kinda sick of discussing my ban now.

Opinions gonna opinion anyway, even long after I'm gone (if ever).
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: oprah_winfrey on January 30, 2013, 03:38:50 pm
Unban Bjord.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: rufio on January 30, 2013, 04:58:41 pm
i say ban khorin and tenne for conspiring against the greater good!!  :lol:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Panos on January 30, 2013, 05:11:45 pm
FIX THE LOLSTAB GODDAMNIT!!

oh wait, wrong thread  :twisted:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Tibe on January 30, 2013, 05:22:12 pm
Quote from: Panos on January 30, 2013, 05:11:45 pm
FIX THE LOLSTAB GODDAMNIT!!
oh wait, wrong thread  :twisted:

Every thread is right for that.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: tizzango on January 30, 2013, 06:19:22 pm
Quote from: Bjord on January 30, 2013, 11:59:44 am
@tizzango: How can you assume my question wasn't genuine? I was actually curious about people's opinion. Yes, I wanted to know if they wanted me gone or not, because for me, all of this consumes a lot of energy (but it's okay, I got ADHD - bottomless pit of energy) so naturally, if I have to embarass myself one more time by writing an unban essay in April only to get swarmed by angry mobs then frankly I'd just not.

BTW I was actually making fun of the fact that Teeth 9 out of 10 times uses psedo-psychology to reinforce the validity of his posts. I personally find it silly too.

Regardig my in-game behaviour: Yes, piss poor. I was keeping a lid on it lately but then I got home drunk and started playing. Not my brightest idea. :lol:

No offense taken, don'r worry.

SEE! You are very capable of a mature response to a criticism, so I don't see why you can't do the same in game man :(.  I can sympathize with the being drunk in game or on TS fo' realz.

As for the psychology thing.
You are right, I'm sorry. I read through the past pages and notice you weren't doing what I said you were, sorry mate :P!

It was late, and I was tired haha!
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Razzer on January 30, 2013, 07:41:36 pm
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Missing the raging swedish kiddo.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 30, 2013, 09:32:24 pm
Breath lock on your computer lol
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Macropus on February 01, 2013, 08:16:28 am
Yes, Bjord you're a troll, but I consider you as not a bad guy after all, unless you do something really bad which would change my opinion about you.
So at current state I'd rather prefer you getting unbanned.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 01, 2013, 01:31:49 pm
Even when bjord was telling me off i enjoyed his presence in game, makes me want to fight harder and better.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 01, 2013, 01:32:48 pm
Quote from: Leshma on January 25, 2013, 02:18:04 pm
Don't listen to newmy old friends or nativemy old friends Bjord. You have my support.

And most importantly, never listen to those who don't play the mod.

Who listens to native my old friends anyways.  :rolleyes:
They insist on native being better then c-rpg, making all of their posts biased!  :evil:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Radament on February 01, 2013, 01:45:34 pm
cmon unban him , he even said sorry one time for teamhitting me while shitons of other players didn't !!!!  :shock: :wink:
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: okiN on February 01, 2013, 01:52:48 pm
Quote from: Bjord on January 25, 2013, 01:12:19 pm
Would you be fine with permanently getting rid of some veterans who can often be a nuisance?

Y  E  S
E
S
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Butan on February 01, 2013, 02:22:45 pm
I would like most perma-ban being replaced by a 3 months ban max (except things like hacking the game/the players), so no I'm not fine with completelly getting rid of some veterans (or new players for the same reasons).
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Lannistark on February 01, 2013, 05:43:45 pm
Damn, I came in too late to watch any of the remaining drama. At least Bjord - Teeth 's verbal diahrrea war was worth it, wasn't it. As Tiberius said, it is good to ocasionally see a pair of guys that even bother to look up for some cool words to add to their speech. Resorting to the "fuck you, madman" is bleach and vague. About time the popcorn was worth it.

On-topic:

UNban he.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Knute on February 01, 2013, 07:15:30 pm
Quote from: Belatu on January 27, 2013, 11:20:15 pm
permamute could be great

I've always wondered why there hasn't been more preemptive or long-term muting since it seems like a lot of problems start with trash talking then escalate into teamwounding/tking etc.  People like Spookisland (http://forum.meleegaming.com/unban-essays/the-greatest-unban-essay-ever-written-(expression-freedom-maturity-honesty)/msg608871/#msg608871) might have been good candidates for something like this instead of bans.

Instead of banning players for x amount of time, it might also be funny if some people were still allowed to play but were shamed or hobbled in some way.  For example, every time they typed something in chat it would appear to other players as "Hodor" or "I will not (insert name of crime that lost them their chat privileges)".  Or if there was a way give people a stat penalty so the only use practice weapons and rocks for a certain amount of time.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Belatu on February 03, 2013, 01:26:37 pm
Quote from: Knute on February 01, 2013, 07:15:30 pm
I've always wondered why there hasn't been more preemptive or long-term muting since it seems like a lot of problems start with trash talking then escalate into teamwounding/tking etc.  People like Spookisland (http://forum.meleegaming.com/unban-essays/the-greatest-unban-essay-ever-written-(expression-freedom-maturity-honesty)/msg608871/#msg608871) might have been good candidates for something like this instead of bans.

Instead of banning players for x amount of time, it might also be funny if some people were still allowed to play but were shamed or hobbled in some way.  For example, every time they typed something in chat it would appear to other players as "Hodor" or "I will not (insert name of crime that lost them their chat privileges)".  Or if there was a way give people a stat penalty so the only use practice weapons and rocks for a certain amount of time.

Brilliant thoughs, and very medieval way :)
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Akynos on February 03, 2013, 10:39:25 pm
It is normal for everyone to rage when we die/ get hit/ get dispensed with against another player. Nowadays I bang my palm against my table whenever I get killed. My flatmates think I'm rebuilding my room :D

Even on the forums, we are all subject to bitterness. I mean, who never cussed at another player? Ever?

However, it doesn't take much to avoid looking like an ego-filled asshole. As we talked about him, take Kinngrimm as an example. He swears pretty often on TS ( well, often, let's say the 'regular swearing rate' ) yet he controls himself enough not to show bitterness on the chat.

Bjord, I read that many people see you as a nice guy. I remember that time you teamhit me twice and apologised sincerely. That moment, I thought ' wow, maybe he ain't such an asshead after all' that's all it takes !
My personal 'trick' to avoid bitterness is to compliment the other fighter for his skills. Very often , the other guy will be modest, thank you for the compliment and he will be nice to you in return.
I found out that no matter how I died, if I was killed by a guy I can laugh with, I will NEVER be bitter.
It's tough to resist and flaming is somehow satisfying, but I find that being a 'happy c-rpg carebear' is more fun, eventually.

After all, its just a game, so why should we not all enjoy it?

Anyway, take that time to enjoy life. Computer games don't lead you anywhere anyway :D
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on February 03, 2013, 10:42:24 pm
I got nothing to add to that, well said.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Grumbs on February 03, 2013, 11:55:48 pm
I find its best to not get personally invested when you play. You only win if your team wins, so concentrate on that and don't care about any secondary stuff. Most people play best when they stay calm and focussed, not when they're thinking about someone who killed them or that they have to kill some guy they have a grudge against.

If you have to rage, rage at yourself for failing your team because thats the end result. The actual events that led to that are probably your own fault too. Better to laugh though, I couldn't play this game if I raged.

Only time I rage is if I feel something is unfair in the game mechanics or the game is spoiled by too much ranged, or my team is making the same mistakes over and over and we get 4:0. I'd rather turn the game off than rage though, games aren't ever worth a personal investment like that. Much better to not take it too seriously than get to that point though

If you have to rage though, do it without spoiling the chat atmosphere for everyone. Keep it off the server
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on February 03, 2013, 11:59:35 pm
Grumbs, we get it - you lack a sense of humour. No need to repeat yourself.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Grumbs on February 04, 2013, 12:02:14 am
I'm not coming down to your level Bjord. Stay banned if thats your attitude
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Bjord on February 04, 2013, 12:10:29 am
Don't be sour.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on February 04, 2013, 12:14:48 am
Quote from: LordBerenger on January 25, 2013, 01:22:04 pm
Incoming secret code to Bjord that communists on this forum can't read.


Gör så. Det här community't är nog ett av de top 10 värsta på internetz. Tyska/Britter som försöker vara backseat-admins och är så jäkla gnälliga.

Massa här som förespråkar kommunism och nazzism. Massa tröga jänkare som lever i sin mammas källare och bara flamar forumen och försöker bete sig som att trolla är en konst.

Nej, skit i detta forum och community't helt och hållet. Bara dra. Spela något annat spel. Och så fort du känner att du vill köra CRPG/Warband/CRPG 2.0 bara säg nej.

Tro mig. När du kommer tillbaks under ett annat namn kommer eventuellt andra att känna igen dig. Sedan så är det TS biten med.

Det är bara en jäkla cirkel som fortsätter om och om igen.

Lämna CRPG, nya spelet och fokusera på RL eller börja ett annat spel.

>does not want commies to read his text
>writes in swedish

idiot köfteci
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 06, 2013, 11:08:40 am
i think its time for a unban
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Leshma on February 06, 2013, 01:01:19 pm
I asked Khorin about this. He said that Bjord will have the chance to ask for unban in couple of months and if other admins agree, he'll be unbanned. Hopefully, they will agree.
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 06, 2013, 01:11:07 pm
Otherwise we will have to persuade them
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: rufio on February 07, 2013, 08:47:11 am
Title: Re: Question to the Community
Post by: Templar_Ratigan on February 11, 2013, 11:27:06 am
Quote from: Leshma on January 27, 2013, 02:28:14 am

Bjord as a player, means much more to this community me and only me despite everything he said than, let's say, Zlisch.

Corrected for truth. In any case, Bjord got his drama, mission success. Although it does sound like he was banned for a daft reason.