All my 300 troops died in the castle I was farming in :cry:If you stay in Dhirim and need some strat gold for keep producing that gold will be provided by me.
Segd, we always had more people than UIF, but unfortunately you used to have more Keys than we do.But now you have a lot more cd-keys :wink:
Is it possible to win the MWs by delivering 10k troops straight up?Sure, bring me the 10k troops and you get most tickets in the hat i would belive and a big chance of winning :D
Took you 4 strats to finally kill UIF (which quit the game). GG gratz.
I'd give you some medal or something but i'm afraid a cat stole it from me. Or maybe it was a bird. I dunno.
Anti-UIF were about to leave strat because UIF were cheating.Good old merc bullshit, you can't just go about saying "UIF WAS CHEATING! POOR US! SO UNFAIR!" when it was only union, vendetta and a few greys who got banned, as far as I'm aware no drz or nordmen or Occitan or Empire were caught cheating, and I'm pretty sure I heard something 'bout at least one Kapikulu taking a ban for multiaccounting, and I recall a large amount of Kapikulus being banned last strat for cheating, so anti UIF is a cheater carebear block... even with the multiaccounters who didn't actually grind troops (still is cheating though) you outnumbered them with your massive carebearing. If the entire UIF hadn't been bored to death they could kick your ass now, despite you being way larger, abusing nighttime, and my old friendging out in general.
UIF left Strat since they can't cheat anymore/got punished for cheating.
GG, gratz.
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Are you plain dumb as a hobby, or are you planning on making a career out of it?
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Are you plain dumb as a hobby, or are you planning on making a career out of it?
Thovex do you seriously expect them to stop carebearing once UIF are completely gone? There's a reason mercs combined with deserters and coalition combined into coalition and it sure as hell isn't that they totally ain't gonna carebear and ally up at all.
Eastern is definitely not gonna stop being a bunch of huge megaclans, and those huge megaclans definitely aren't gonna actually fight each other.
I have a question.
How do you pick winners and how will it not be rig able? Would you stream it like I did with my old lottery a while ago?
UIF lived without:
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It is a third party tool that allows members of a faction to have a shared line of sight, i.e: you can see everything each of your faction members can at all times.
http://strat-viewer.guiennet.com/site/Home/About
The problem afaik is that it isn't open access, but people actually have to be invited and granted access, making it a bit of a "secret club" where one side gets an overwhelming logistics advantage, because they can use all player units as 24/7 cameras whether they're on or not, while factions that are not invited have to get members to send them map screenshots, which depends entirely on whether said member is active or not.
Honestly though, that's kind of cool and a good job on whoever developed it. It's just movement routes though right? I imagine it doesn't actually pick up targets near tokens that you can't see? Or am I wrong? If it's just movement routes, I don't see a problem with it--but if it's highlighting tokens you would otherwise not see yourself, eh, kind of questionable.
Fact remains though, kudos to whoever made it (especially if it was hard) and hats off to the organization of clans involved apart of it.
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Lol - so now you are complaining that your enemies have been kind enough to give you the tool they use to help manage their faction?!?!?
I've seen 1 other of these tools first hand and heard about 2 more, yet none of these were ever shared. As far as I am aware the Wolves are gradually sharing this with everyone because they want it to become part of the main Strat code for everybody, rather than an exclusive tool just for clans with the skills to create it for themselves. Personally I welcome this drive within the community to enhance what we have now and actually share it with others, rather than keeping the advantage to themselves.
I wonder how many people realize that the anti-UIF front is not the first to use such a device, and that is has been around for multiple Strategus and actually originated from NA from someone who is now a Beta Tester and has coded a few things for the devs, and the sheer amount of factions who use this or a similar program that does the same thing...
I wonder how many people realize that the anti-UIF front is not the first to use such a device, and that is has been around for multiple Strategus and actually originated from NA from someone who is now a Beta Tester and has coded a few things for the devs, and the sheer amount of factions who use this or a similar program that does the same thing...
You might be surprised but... [Both sides (as well as a whole bunch of randomers or NA folks) do ridiculous things to gain an edge, some exploitative, some not.]...
Good old merc bullshit, you can't just go about saying "UIF WAS CHEATING! POOR US! SO UNFAIR!" when it was only union, vendetta and a few greys who got banned, as far as I'm aware no drz or nordmen or Occitan or Empire were caught cheating, and I'm pretty sure I heard something 'bout at least one Kapikulu taking a ban for multiaccounting, and I recall a large amount of Kapikulus being banned last strat for cheating, so anti UIF is a cheater carebear block... even with the multiaccounters who didn't actually grind troops (still is cheating though) you outnumbered them with your massive carebearing. If the entire UIF hadn't been bored to death they could kick your ass now, despite you being way larger, abusing nighttime, and my old friendging out in general.
Tears I'd love to see you give some backing behind your claims that "everyone is using a tool like this, not just anti-UIF."
Also, I literally have no idea what you're trying to say in your post so I'm gonna ahead and assume you entirely missed the point, which is "anti-UIF are awful awful hypocrites."This is basically what I was saying. Both sides are full of shit to one degree or another as both sides have done exploitative things, have certain factions that have outright cheated, and have shady members doing shady things as well as taking advantage of glitches, and a lot of NA /EU randomers are guilty of this as well. This is painfully obvious for anyone who pays even the slightest attention to the Strategus iterations. Oh sure there are some "angel" factions and members in both sides, but that is beside the point.
Tears I'd love to see you give some backing behind your claims that "everyone is using a tool like this, not just anti-UIF."
Also, I literally have no idea what you're trying to say in your post so I'm gonna ahead and assume you entirely missed the point, which is "anti-UIF are awful awful hypocrites for complaining about multi-accounting while simultaneously developing a third party hack for private usage that does all the same things."
Guys and Girls.Fuck you, your thread was already bullshit, what kind of a pathetic move is offering looms for troops, would never expect something this low from anyone but mercs, and I love how you guys always jerk off about how awesome your "free trade area" is when it was clearly created to manipulate randommers into giving you troops. *Sends a thousand guys off to attack nordmen from Dhirim* *asks for troops in Dhirim complaining about those unfair multiaccounterer grey cheaters hurting you*... please stop being pathetic.
This thread is not about that "tool" and trust me i told and asked many Devs and guys before we even tested it.
It shows like a screenshot when your clan member see somone on map and how long time ago.
It is not so you see all he sees, it takes 10 min from each screeshot.
Back to the competition.
Please dont ruin my thread with all this bullshit
Ok, so you complain about anti UIF multiaccounting and massive carebearing, yet you suck UIF dick? If you have a problem with this, then it should be for both sides...I didn't complain about you multiaccounting, I just stated that you're just as big multiaccounters as nordmen, drz, and every other uif faction that had no bans and now that we know about your program I guess that was wrong on my part, you're worse.
Deliberately some people were allowed to cheat and play.
Not everyone, just more then most people might think. This type of program has been around for a very long time as MrIlluminati (SP?) constructed the first incarnation of it way back when Loki was captain of the Brigade, and while he was the first to go about this he was hardly the last, similar programs are all over the place now.Fair enough. I'm genuinely interested in who else you think uses a program similar to that though, if you've got proof. Personally I can't think of any NA factions that would've been using a similar tool in previous strat iterations, much less having even known such a tool existed.
Yeah chadz only bans UIF players for cheating and not anti-UIF you have that right.Banning the multiaccounters in UIF is something I approve of, but not banning everyone using such a disgusting tool is something I heavily disagree with, it's the exact same damn thing, especially seeing as Union didn't actually grind troops on their accounts.
@Nocti I don't develop strat, I just play the game - so I'm the wrong person to yell at.
This is fucking ridiculous that you can see line of sight what your faction members see...getting tired of all this magically seeing shit in strat. I still think it's against the essence of a strategy game to be able to see troops, population, gold and trade goods in any fief anywhere on the map...the fuck is that shit?Try playing a strategy game, but where you only see what the currently selected unit sees.
Cheating is doing something that shouldn't be possible within the normal game rules. You can share screenshots and communicate what you see on the strat map, you can't make this not possible.
Multiaccounting is way different, since it gives you the advantages of actually controlling more avatars on the strat map and actually having more avatars than you should have.
Only had so few multiaccounters that it didn't even impact any economy
eveloping a third party hack for private usage that does all the same things
Try playing a strategy game, but where you only see what the currently selected unit sees.
Try communicating with your players and have your scouts actually inform leadership what's going on...that's how we've all been doing it from day 1 of strat (besides the multi-accounters).Oh, how great could it be! All the possibilities of micromanagement still left untapped! Maybe we shouldn't even see fiefs and our own faction members on the map outside our own line of sight?
And you think in a strategy game you should be able to see what the enemy is doing on the other side of the world when your nearest guy is half a world away? lol cmon
I get more disenfranchised with strat every day.
I think most of us are just romanticizing the notion of how great strategus could be, rather than what it actually is. The idea of strategus is epic and game breaking...
Oh, how great could it be! All the possibilities of micromanagement still left untapped! Maybe we shouldn't even see fiefs and our own faction members on the map outside our own line of sight?
Greys are coming, lets have us a war....
I can see the justification for seeing your members and fiefs (should only be able to at level 2 or above so you can leave new recruits in the dark, but I digress...)
I don't think it's bad micromanagement. If you want a player to do something, they need to be able to communicate it to the people making decisions. You should have to send out a spy to scout out enemy fiefs (IMO), and if enemies are marching on your northern border and you're far away in the south, you should need someone to inform you there's enemies coming.
Otherwise I fail to see why we're even playing the game if it's a single player version of a strategy game that you're looking for (where one person manages everything).
whoah whoah whoah....lets clarify...I haven't used the program in question and have no idea how it works. I just made my post in reply to hat huseby was saying...Your post tears, and huseby's posts contributed to how I think this tool should be implemented in strat in a legitimate fashion. I have no idea what this tool actually does cause I am not one of the cool crew that got invited. Maybe it is cheating, I dunno. It just seems from these posts that it makes the whole," Send me a screenshot" deal a lot more streamlined and simple.
Faction Members press a button "Report" and it sends the info they can see (a screenshot) to their leaders (rank 10). said info is not updated for the leaders until the member in question actually presses "Report." This shit is simple people, what are you all bitching about?
Tool=western europe/usa(so it can't be bad right?) Multi-account=eastern european(ban all those dirty slavs for cheating)
Tool=Capitalism (everyone has a chance) Multi-account=Communism (we're all the same, yay!)
UIF lived without:The development to this tool started around 2 months ago, it has been shown to admins and developers.
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It takes the fun out of it that way- less communication and teamwork, essentially. Personally, I liked it when you had to find someone via Steam, TS or Forum PMs to ask them to do something or ask for an update (during my small time of being active in strat). And if you are saying it's not that advantageous then fuck it, revert back to old school and don't even give the UIF anything to legitimize their claim that Anti_UIF are just as bad. 8-)the need for communication is still there. The things you are able to see are very limited, if you want exact informations you still need to contact someone who has the target in question actually in his spotting range. You can't manage other accounts with this, shit still needs to be done by every single player. Overall Tizzango as to everyone, if you have a faction with 5+ people send me PM or even better contact me through steam(kinngrimm) or best come to ts3:"cotgs.de", i will give you an introduction into that tool(*sigh* i see my next days talking to hundreds of people explaining stuff) and will give you full access to the tool, then you can make an educated judgment and we can talk how to improve and balance the advantages it gives so far. As also stated already, this is not the end version, when it is done as i imagine it, with every advantage you will gain other things may become more difficult.
Kinngrimm, that was my initial opinion before I continued to read the thread. I editted my post and retracted my statement when I found out it was only a screenshot sender, in essence.kk :)
I thought it acted almost as a radar, and you could send orders to each node (if you want to carry on the analogy of a radar :D), and you could see the whole map.
Sorry :P
Faction Members press a button "Report" and it sends the info they can see (a screenshot) to their leaders (rank 10). said info is not updated for the leaders until the member in question actually presses "Report." This shit is simple people, what are you all bitching about?
However with this "tool" you download a simple auto refresh extension for firefox and you can set your webpage every 5 minutes to auto refresh. So you send your guy to a hotspot and magic you have unlimited line of sight on the map and no fog of war on the whole map either.
...damn you tears for printing your avatars image with a goatee into my brain :evil:
*strokes evil pointy goatee in deep thought*
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In my humble opinion (unaffiliated with faction) UIF quit when they started losing. They are quitters. When Hospi got wiped in the past, did Hospi quit? No, no we didn't. UIF, at least for me, will permanently have a reputation as pussies because they quit when the going got tough.
Fuckin Pansies.
[10:14] <Tears> I like that DRZ after starting to lose decided to quit strat
[10:14] <@Shik> lol what kind of propaganda is that
[10:14] <Tears> Apparently strat is not fun without their massive block to back them up
[10:14] <@Shik> DRZ quit because the game is horrible
[10:14] <@Shik> and they lost 10k stacks to bugs
[10:14] <Smoothrich> i was in so many of those battles of DRZ getting owned
[10:14] <Smoothrich> with fallen armies
[10:14] <Smoothrich> sieging their cities and castles
[10:14] <Smoothrich> oh wait
[10:14] <Smoothrich> nothing ever happened
[10:14] <Smoothrich> lol :)During this months of Strat 4 how many fiefs we lost until we quit? I remember one - Mechin village. How many years would Ani-Uif needs to capture all our fiefs if we could still transit caravans, manage fiefs & armies & do other micromanagement stuff?
Even now when we are just sitting in fiefs & doing nothing(just checked the map: no DRZ caravan, recruiter or army is on the move) they don't strike us. :?
..wait what now you admit to being UIF openly ;)
During this months of Strat 4 how many fiefs we lost until we quit? I remember one - Mechin village.
How many years would Ani-Uif needs to capture all our fiefs if we could still transit caravans, manage fiefs & armies & do other micromanagement stuff?Well without Union who made trade i guess at least for The Empire, which with that in mind , 2 major factions broke of and Occitan going back to NA and Grey Order now quitting and you(?)too, Nords still defending their stuff, the political situation will change dramaticaly ^^
Even now when we are just sitting in fiefs & doing nothing(just checked the map: no DRZ caravan, recruiter or army is on the move) they don't strike us. :?
Lol, this tool gives you almost all advantages of multiaccouting. Of course it is OK if everyone could use it, but sharing it only among your carebear is nothing better than multiacc.
Strategus should be fair, hence is why I spilled the truth about your private tool, now your little tool is public and you have no advantage anymore?
Are you really crying about having a fair strategus Pejlaen? Just quit it, you have no idea what you're talking about and only sucking some merc leader cock, do some research, read posts properly, use your damn brains for once.
If you weren't in a clan that ruins your brains with mad propaganda on the forum then you might understand what is going on.
I am glad it is public now.Good, but you should do it earlier :wink:
it will include now more work for me for administration and a bit of a struggle in terms of getting the idears of others also into the tool, but over all it is a good thing.
Already got 1 more factions included today and send keys to others :D
I want a ban(forum warning) for mr Thovex clearly use this on my thread for trying to sabotage my competition.
a aditional warning about his language is needed as well. Im demanding this becouse of the warnings i had on other threads. Now be FAIR.
I have a question.
How do you pick winners and how will it not be rig able? Would you stream it like I did with my old lottery a while ago?
hence is why I spilled the truth about your private tool
Here summary of Thovex :
Cries about prime times, but when other clans were getting gangbanged at xmas he cheers for UIF <-- Last year? We didn't play strat 3. :wink:
Benefits from cheaters in two rounds, then accuses others by cheating for beta testing with the approval of admins <--We played only strat 2, we had like 8 fiefs was it?
Calls people pricks for not giving peace time, act like a prick when he was offered peace at very start <-- "We demand you to give an answer to ally us or we will be hostile to you, you must give an answer before Cooties is home to make a decision" - Hence is why we joined UIF in the first place, no need to be threatened to join some kind of fail coalition.
Tells people to suck leaders dick, while he couldn't run three fiefs and joined another clan under someone else's leadership <-- Last year? We didn't play strat 3. :wink:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/strategus-round-4-starting-sunday-1200-cet/
Check out the amazing amount of troops & gold we have achieved.
Here, a medal Guy Fawkes you saved the humanity.
Not close....Once Risen...
...Once Risen...
...Now Merciless...
then? right
Say what now? I'm not getting it. :?:
We played strat 2 as I said, we had ~8 fiefs there with some 25k troops spare in our area after wiping Byzantium.
We took 4 fiefs initially when strat 3 started, never did anything with them because of the boring micromanagement, it was not worth it at all, strat 3 must've been the worst round, so nope, we did not play it, infact the only ones who noticed that was the Deserters after attacking the 4th fief when there were only naked afk people in the surrounding areas.
I'm not saying they should suck their leaders dick, I mentioned they are sucking your propaganda cock, which is full of bullshit as usual.
We managed our own stuff perfectly fine in strat 2 as I said, we had one war and we won that because that is howlong strat lasted sadly, did you even have a war or did you try to ally up with UIF like every strat?
So... we managed splendid, which I mentioned 3 times now...
did you even have a war or did you try to ally up with UIF like every strat?
Where did I mention banned players are innocent? Also, we've never ever collected troops or gold from nor gave any of our allies besides BashiBazouk when we played the Byzantium war.
UIF would never offer to ally with you, opposite world much? People don't offer requests to let people join when they are winning the game... Think.
You sit on top of the "counter block" I'm so happy for you. Sucks to be the people under it. :lol:
So everyone is your mere tool? Is that why you been mass recruiting..? Amazing.
I don't think I've protected any of the banned players, hell I didn't even play for months now.
And we're talking about this strategus, not how you got decimated by Americans and then UIF helped you up by using you as proxy?
I'm not entirely sure where you are pulling the 4k crates out from but lol ok, if you say so.
Occitan is a nice faction with nice people, I don't see the problem?
I personally quit a long time ago, I just hold a fief and sit in Sargoth simply because I'm easy to contact.
After getting thrown over by bugs, and other allies leaving because of bugs, there really is no point in fighting, in the end our army will probably dissappear anyway, so wasting tons of hours just to have it wiped because of glitches isn't really fun, don't know if you liked losing armies etc. This is why the Nords would quit, none of us are interested in losing entire armies on weekly basis.
Steamroll succesful for 3 strats, could've happened in strat 4, too bad that there is too much bias on the opposite side that even chadz fell for the UIF hate propaganda and suddenly glitches strike every week.
Honestly if you can't see that losing half your army every week to strat glitches is not making the game interesting to play then that would be dumb.
You see, when "Harpag and 100 keys" was banned I'm fairly sure we'd think that multi accounting has stopped there, but "Yea but they PROBABLY are multiaccounting" is not a valid reason to stop trading with any clan.
is to unban multiaccounters who, according to the players themselves, have been banned unfairly, but I'm also tired of constantly seeing how everyone has to twist the neck of some players, who most likely are banned unfairly.
Truth be told, I wouldn't mind allying with anyone as long as we have fun
because we're not sure yet if the people banned will stay banned, are we?
400hrs of grind well spent
No need to pick a few quotes that are totally out of context without the other replies
There maybe a big question mark with Grey Order bans, but from Dahlis last post and reading there in between the lines it is highly likely that also GO did account share again.As much as I love a grey witchhunt I doubt anyone but the small amount of banned greys did anything, the devs didn't exactly seem to have the opinion of "if in doubt, innocent.".
As much as I love a grey witchhunt I doubt anyone but the small amount of banned greys did anything, the devs didn't exactly seem to have the opinion of "if in doubt, innocent.".
Accountsharing did not come from the unstoppable strive for victory, or will to dominate the entire Startegus map. It did come from the observation that lead us to the opinion that from the very beginning we were treated unfairly ...
About the whole thing with latest banwave... From my kinda limited knowlege about this matter all guys from GO received ban for account sharing, for all that still see no difference they have only 1 cd-key but they give their login and password to someone else to manage their strategus character. Well, it is forbidden, for long time everyone know that it is bannable and yet it happened.