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Strategus => Faction Halls => Topic started by: Oberyn on April 19, 2011, 08:01:48 pm

Title: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Oberyn on April 19, 2011, 08:01:48 pm
 Lately there has been some drama in the forums and within the clan concerning Merc relations with Admins and the community in the general. I just want to make this post to clarify some things.

From the very start of the clan we have been perceived somewhat as e-peen addicts, ragers, trolls and flamers, not entirely unfairly. There is a very good reason for this.
It's always been Merc policy that we are a group of individuals brought together for one purpose: to sell our services to the highest bidder and amass wealth in Strat. We have no rules concerning conduct, whether ingame or in forums. We're not gonna tell our members they can't say or do anything. We also won't try and help people out from whatever holes they dig for themselves. This type of policy automatically orients itself towards drama, but without the outlet of Strategus it's been spilling over into cRPG and the forums.

So here is the clarification part: Just because some of our members are assholes, and I readily agree that there are some ( just like any other clan tbh), it does not reflect any type of general opinion among the Mercs. There are many, many Mercs who never troll, never flame, never had any problems with admins and get along with more or less everyone. I'd put myself in this category, although I do occasionally rage ingame, it is usually tongue in cheek. Here is a list of all our members as posted in our thread:

Oberyn
Olwen
Noctivagant
pTx (                 
Replica
Tempest                                                       
Jacko                             
Yaron                             
cmpxchg8b                                         
Burrick                         
M_Pully                       
Mustikki                                                                             
Varyag                                                                                             
Shpongled                                 
Assas_Janis_Corp
Vicious666                                                 
Mokk   
Gresin                   
Vargas
Phazh   
Akincibegi 
Mtemtko                                                         
Siiem   
Storm
Jambi
Bjord
Xant
Lizard_man
Blueberry Muffin
\/\/ar
KoldBorn
Tuonela
DaveUKR   

If you pay attention you'd notice a lot of our members are admins, in proportion perhaps the most out of any clan. We also have a lot of trolls and flamers, also in proportion perhaps the most out of any clan. Then there's the people who don't show up on people's trolling radars at all and have no ingame authority, just play and enjoy the game. There is a wide variety of personalities.
Nuffen, I can understand why you would think badly of Mercs as a whole, because 4 of our members tried to get your admin powers removed. Same goes for a lot of other admins. There is a minority of people in the clan who are convinced that certain admins have an unreasonable hatred of Mercs, and tbh it's starting to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'd just like for your efforts to be focused on individuals, and not try to bring the entire clan into it everytime some troll insults you. Not every Merc voted against Nuffen, by far. We do not have a general opinion, we are not a monolithic entity.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Olwen on April 19, 2011, 08:03:32 pm
i'm part of those assholes :) keep the hate for me
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Bjord on April 19, 2011, 08:40:28 pm
Arguably I'm one of the more disliked Mercs(and with good reason, I don't deny it), but lately I've tried to tone it down. I hope at least some people see this.

I just wish my actions aren't reflected on Merc as a whole, since our clan isn't like others. We don't have someone nursing every member, telling them to behave etc.

And because we don't have any behaviour-specific rules, I implore you all to try to refrain from generalizing. You can call me an idiot all you want, or a rager. Just keep my clan out of it and we're all hunky-dory.

Anyway, good post Oberyn. Had to be made sooner or later.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Teeth on April 19, 2011, 09:16:03 pm
All mercs are assholes!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 :twisted:
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Electro on April 19, 2011, 09:18:15 pm
but this stands for almost every clan if say fallen or DRZ had clan members that do stuff that people dont like then they will be judged by those players actions

like when i was in 22nd i made them look bad without noticing but now i can see that i did and i regret that  but what im trying to say is that you cant stop people from thinking what they want to .
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Magikarp on April 19, 2011, 09:18:37 pm
I think generally your clan is suffering from major arrogant elitist behaviour. At least that's what I've noticed since your clan was created.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: [ptx] on April 19, 2011, 09:22:53 pm
Electro, the difference between Mercs and clans like Templars or Turks or such is that we really won't pitch in to defend each other, when one of us is in trouble. But then, we don't get punished or expelled from the clan, even if some of us are in disagreement with everyone else or so. We are more a collective of individuals, rather than a clan in the classic sense. And we are VERY diverse. Any generalisation directed towards us is pretty much false.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: nuffen on April 19, 2011, 09:29:01 pm
Hi
As Im the only non-merc in this post mentioned, I think I should answer.
When Olwen nominated me (because I was hunting mercs,he said), I checked the banlist. As the banlist gets capped off to not make the loading times too bad (its very bad, takes about 5-10 minutes to load), it only goes back to january. I could find 4 mercs (included one without merc-tag) that Ive banned. As some of the mercs have (not all, just some) accused me of a witch-hunt against mercs, I just wanna show the numbers. I have on some evenings banned more than 4 players (mostly leechers), so 4 mercs is a pretty low number.
Why do I show this number? Because I want to make it clear, Im not going after mercs.

I dont think you can find any posts or irc-quotes of me accusing the merc-clan as a whole to be against me (or other admins), but that a group inside the mercs is. I know several mercs I got the deepest respect for and Im not trying to generalise you as a whole. But, and theres a but here. You are like the only clan who _dont_ care about your reputation. That does reflect badly on you.
I was accused of threating mercs different than non-mercs not long ago, as I would give mercs 3 day bans and non-mercs 1 day bans. This is not true. 90% of my bans are 3 day bans, and only on special incidents I give more or less (especially if people show regret or understanding of the ban, I reduce the time, if they insult me or shows they dont accept the rules, I extend it).

To be clear, when I admin, I ignore nicks. If I find someone whos doing something so bad they need a ban, I first ban, THEN check their history (still ignoring their history) to decide if they are repeaters who need some extra cooldown. Some mercs, I wont mention names, are repeaters, and they get extra time. I dont think this have applied to mercs yet tho.

There are some admin-to-admin stuff here too, as mercs have a lot of admins. I wont comment these incidents.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Benhelm on April 19, 2011, 09:34:16 pm
Yet you can't really think, that when you put a clan tag in front of your name, your actions won't be linked to the clan. If you are just loosely tied individuals, why even bother with a clan or a clan tag? You could just hang out in TS and be BFFs.
You can still be hired for fights, no difference whatsoever.
Correct me, if I am wrong: A clan tag will relate you to your clan and an action taken with that clan tag will be linked to the clan. One post in the forum will never change the way of things are handled in general.
I just wonder, if you are asking for a special treatment for the merc-clan to not be treated as a clan unless it pleases you?

Just my 2c!
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Mtemtko on April 19, 2011, 09:36:50 pm
Just one question, have you ever heard of a mini-game called "strategus" ?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Nihtgenga on April 19, 2011, 09:38:40 pm
Electro, the difference between Mercs and clans like Templars or Turks or such is that we really won't pitch in to defend each other, when one of us is in trouble.

Not true... in all the last threads in the ban section where a member of mercs was requested to get banned (newest example olwen)
a couple of your members tried to help with some nice written posts obviously absolutely one sided.

But I agree with oberyn in general.
there is just one thing which bothers me like hell. If one of you gets accidently shot in meele most of you start raging but I have seen so many of your range units who teamkill (it just happens, I know), than say sry but often add stuff like "dont walk in front of me, not my fault though" etc
in other words, whenever many of you guys do a mistake, its actually the mistake of the other guy and not yours. But if the same happens to you, you rage. : )

edit: strategus wise clans hiring the mercs might have to exclude some merc members from the contracts as they behave wrong
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Mtemtko on April 19, 2011, 09:43:51 pm
Well yes about the contracts, but did y'know mercs had like 30% of the whole caladria pre-masspatch? Is that a hint good enough for you?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: BlackMilk on April 19, 2011, 09:44:34 pm
i love the mercs they do not afraid of anything
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: BD_Guard_Bane on April 19, 2011, 09:47:16 pm
Well yes about the contracts, but did y'know mercs had like 30% of the whole caladria pre-masspatch? Is that a hint good enough for you?

Yeah true, the Mercs were fantastic estate agents.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Nihtgenga on April 19, 2011, 09:47:26 pm
Well yes about the contracts, but did y'know mercs had like 30% of the whole caladria pre-masspatch? Is that a hint good enough for you?

as between your last post and my post is no other, I guess this refers to me.

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Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: [ptx] on April 19, 2011, 09:47:50 pm
Not true... in all the last threads in the ban section where a member of mercs was requested to get banned (newest example olwen)
a couple of your members tried to help with some nice written posts obviously absolutely one sided.

But I agree with oberyn in general.
there is just one thing which bothers me like hell. If one of you gets accidently shot in meele most of you start raging but I have seen so many of your range units who teamkill (it just happens, I know), than say sry but often add stuff like "dont walk in front of me, not my fault though" etc
in other words, whenever many of you guys do a mistake, its actually the mistake of the other guy and not yours. But if the same happens to you, you rage. : )

edit: strategus wise clans hiring the mercs might have to exclude some merc members from the contracts as they behave wrong

Way to generalise, i personally never do any of those things and i know a lot, if not most of the mercs are the same. Which is the point of this thread.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Mtemtko on April 19, 2011, 09:48:22 pm
as between your last post and my post is no other, I guess this refers to me.

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Shiiit sherlock you're right  :P
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Nihtgenga on April 19, 2011, 09:54:41 pm
Way to generalise, i personally never do any of those things and i know a lot, if not most of the mercs are the same. Which is the point of this thread.

Read carefully I didnt say that.
All Im saying is, that there are quite many of you (and with you I mean the old members, not the new ones) who more or less play by the rules but act very arrogant, examples in my first post.
Sure there are some of you who are neither arrogant nor rage, namely you, oberyn, musti, varg  and more.

just saying what bothers me, which is the point of the thread?! ;-)

and you saying that most of the mercs are the same is a very subjective view, just as mine. maybe because you dont pay attention, maybe you dont get tked by them or maybe because they apologize to you as you are a merc
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: VVarlord on April 19, 2011, 10:00:51 pm
Its a game lets just all go back to it and play it like its not real life.  8-)
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Nihtgenga on April 19, 2011, 10:02:42 pm
Its a game lets just all go back to it and play it like its not real life.  8-)

+1
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Stil on April 19, 2011, 10:02:49 pm
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I hate to jump in where I don't belong but you seem to not understand the term "Generalisation" the Mercs are saying they're all different and don't care what eachother do, just because one of them acts like an ass others wont. You keep saying that he's saying they're the same but the point of the thread is to clarify that they are all different.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Olwen on April 19, 2011, 10:05:44 pm
you guys are newcomers :D you don't know a shit about strategus, we are together because we all are good players who want to play together instead of against each other, it's what unites you,

about people i supported or who supported me, it's more about friendship than clan stuff,

if you can't understand that everything can't be following the same rules all the time or can't always be the way you see it, our clan, the way i act, for examples, well i'll just consider you as a retard who can't think by himself  :lol:

and well, if you think that some of us suck, we already proved what we were worth during strategus last time  :lol: if you weren't there to see it well just get a brain before speaking

don't answer to this it's just a side-note, but imo crpg isn't what it was anymore, all the old players were banned or left, when you troll ig you get muted, there's rules everywhere, well this game isn't the crpg i played since strategus was frozen, i don't really feel like being banned from something i played, just some crappy game, but i know chadz's working on it


and yep stil you got it right man, cheers
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Phazey on April 19, 2011, 10:41:32 pm
Just popping in here to confirm what Oberyn said. We are all individuals. We all have our own opinions.  :rolleyes:

Now, let's play!  :D
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Jambi on April 19, 2011, 11:04:13 pm
Like i stated before. been playing for half a year now.
Never got into trouble, until i started trolling for 1 hour.

It is damn hard to stay yourself, when alot of people expect you to be an asshole.. cause of the merc tag
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Varyag on April 19, 2011, 11:12:56 pm
Lol.
Today I was permanently banned from all EU servers without any warning or explanation by admin I've never seen before (I believe it is a new one). And guess why he prob banned me? I was lvl 1 (just retired) and tried to cut some of my teammate tincans with knife... Obviously they had no damage at all, but it didn't stop admin from banning me without warning or reason. IMHO chadz need to revise the admin strategy to stop such BS going on. I understand that if people dont like their armor scratched...admin could say through admin chat to stop that. But no, BAN and job done :)


P.S. Also I was banned from risen server for asking whther they like mein kampf....no kidding.
I literally typed this in chat "do you like mein kampf"?
And BAM..permabanned. Job done, right?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on April 19, 2011, 11:15:06 pm
I know several mercs I got the deepest respect for


HAHAHAHA. name one


P.S. Also I was banned from risen server for asking whther they like mein kampf....no kidding.
I literally typed this in chat "do you like mein kampf"?
And BAM..permabanned. Job done, right?


HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: okiN on April 19, 2011, 11:21:26 pm
HAHAHAHA. name one

Is this a bad joke, or did you really not have the sense to think this through for all of five seconds? Or do you really believe Lilith even hates people like cmp, ptx, Mustikki...?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Mullerian on April 19, 2011, 11:30:59 pm
Lol.
Today I was permanently banned from all EU servers without any warning or explanation by admin I've never seen before (I believe it is a new one). And guess why he prob banned me? I was lvl 1 (just retired) and tried to cut some of my teammate tincans with knife... Obviously they had no damage at all, but it didn't stop admin from banning me without warning or reason. IMHO chadz need to revise the admin strategy to stop such BS going on. I understand that if people dont like their armor scratched...admin could say through admin chat to stop that. But no, BAN and job done :)


P.S. Also I was banned from risen server for asking whther they like mein kampf....no kidding.
I literally typed this in chat "do you like mein kampf"?
And BAM..permabanned. Job done, right?

Tbh some of us did ask you to stop doing it and you pretty much ignored us and kept going, its not like you dont bring it on yourself when you insist on breaking the rules. While it isnt all that interesting right after retiring it doesnt really excuse you from the rules imo.

And just so im not completely off topic: Yeah Oberyn is right that there is plenty of merc people who are perfectly pleasant to be around, but the impression given means that any mercs i dont recognize i will assume to be assholes untill proven otherwise. Whether you like it or not it can have a negative effect on the rest of you when you have a that loose behaviour policy (none?).
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: nuffen on April 19, 2011, 11:31:43 pm

HAHAHAHA. name one

Noctivagant (to avoid naming other admins)
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Benhelm on April 19, 2011, 11:32:09 pm
Just one question, have you ever heard of a mini-game called "strategus" ?

Yes, and I used to be proud being hired by mercs, but that was some 5 month ago.

You basically say you just want the tag to epeen about the pixel with some people you vaguely know and often disagree with (thats not the definition of friend, before you flame me).

Lol.
Today I was permanently banned from all EU servers without any warning or explanation by admin I've never seen before (I believe it is a new one). And guess why he prob banned me? I was lvl 1 (just retired) and tried to cut some of my teammate tincans with knife... Obviously they had no damage at all, but it didn't stop admin from banning me without warning or reason. IMHO chadz need to revise the admin strategy to stop such BS going on. I understand that if people dont like their armor scratched...admin could say through admin chat to stop that. But no, BAN and job done :)


P.S. Also I was banned from risen server for asking whther they like mein kampf....no kidding.
I literally typed this in chat "do you like mein kampf"?
And BAM..permabanned. Job done, right?

you know that this isn't the truth and posting it on the forum doesn't make it the truth. You started stabbing right away in the spawn (which we were camping at that time) and you randomly stabbed people. I was one of them wearing a frigging nomad vest at that time and you even said sorry, but only after i pointed out, that you actually took some of my health. You didn't stop later on and got banned for team attacking. Is it really so hard to follow a few rules?

The amount of ignorant behavior and disrespect towards the developers effort to create a friendly gaming atmosphere leaves me flabbergasted.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Meow on April 19, 2011, 11:35:39 pm
Yet you can't really think, that when you put a clan tag in front of your name, your actions won't be linked to the clan. If you are just loosely tied individuals, why even bother with a clan or a clan tag? You could just hang out in TS and be BFFs.
You can still be hired for fights, no difference whatsoever.
Correct me, if I am wrong: A clan tag will relate you to your clan and an action taken with that clan tag will be linked to the clan. One post in the forum will never change the way of things are handled in general.
I just wonder, if you are asking for a special treatment for the merc-clan to not be treated as a clan unless it pleases you?

Just my 2c!

That.

And while i have no problem with most of the mercs there are some which i dislike for their behavior or general attitude.

About those few:
When i was no admin i always used the term "the mercs" while trash talking with those people just to make sure they were aware it might influence how the clan is viewed in the community.
At that point no one really cared about it.
Still sorry if i used it as an admin.
Anyway it MUST have been obvious to you guys that nominating Nuffen FOUR times on one day might make us take the people in question less serious and also be less patient to their behavior at least for a while...

For me it's just hard right now to take those people who know who they are seriously so i take most of their talk for trolling at least when done ingame.
Sorry this ended in a mute multiple times during the last two days but it basically made me able to ignore it.

I will not do that anymore and consider this thing as done.
This does not mean that you enjoy any kind of special treatment and the rules still apply to you.

With the rest of the Mercs i'm just cool.

I understand that if people dont like their armor scratched...admin could say through admin chat to stop that. But no, BAN and job done :)

So you know you are breaking the server rules, you know people don't like being team attacked and STILL you do it for multiple rounds in a row and expect me to warn you?
Really?
Not gonna happen man.
I expect retired players to know the basic rules.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Ujin on April 19, 2011, 11:47:41 pm
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No offence to the many mercs whom i actually respect =).
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vanular on April 19, 2011, 11:53:13 pm
In my eyes, this whole thread just adds to the general conception: The Mercs are a bunch of ego-centric narcissists, that needs a thread about how they don't like that people are hating on them.

Sorry man, a clans reputation is based on what its members do. If you're together with a bunch of whining and loud ego-centrics, then you're bound to be hated as well. Deal with it. We Templars certainly are.

You should all go get this t-shirt, at once.
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P.S.: Lovely how you just had to post your members list as well. What relevance  :lol:
PPS.: Awww ... some Mercs are raging at my "AwesomeBar"  :cry: - It's hard to deal with reality, truly.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Siiem on April 20, 2011, 12:06:11 am
So much hate :|
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Beauchamp on April 20, 2011, 12:08:31 am
Lol.
Today I was permanently banned from all EU servers without any warning or explanation by admin I've never seen before (I believe it is a new one). And guess why he prob banned me? I was lvl 1 (just retired) and tried to cut some of my teammate tincans with knife... Obviously they had no damage at all, but it didn't stop admin from banning me without warning or reason. IMHO chadz need to revise the admin strategy to stop such BS going on. I understand that if people dont like their armor scratched...admin could say through admin chat to stop that. But no, BAN and job done :)


P.S. Also I was banned from risen server for asking whther they like mein kampf....no kidding.
I literally typed this in chat "do you like mein kampf"?
And BAM..permabanned. Job done, right?

well deserved ban (at least for the 1st case for sure), i totally hate it when peasants run around and try to hit others, even if they cause no damage.

I think people should at least basicly roleplay even in battles (like don't try to hit friendly knights, if sbdy slashes really like an idiot with sideswings in the middle of the melee than slash him back etc...).

unluckily than there is always a danger of admin being around that will ban you for TKill or THit on purpose, while the one that has no common sense and fights like an idiot spamming in the middle of friendlies can stay in a game and laugh.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vanular on April 20, 2011, 12:09:35 am
So much hate :|

Perhaps, but you (the clan) have been calling for it, and even thriving by it, since you started.

If you (you, sieem) don't like it, perhaps you should leave the mercs?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Siiem on April 20, 2011, 12:10:56 am
If you (you, sieem) don't like it, perhaps you should leave the mercs?  :rolleyes:

And join who exactly?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Olwen on April 20, 2011, 12:12:50 am
I think people should at least basicly roleplay even in battles (like don't try to hit friendly knights, if sbdy slashes really like an idiot with sideswings in the middle of the melee than slash him back etc...).

unluckily than there is always a danger of admin being around that will ban you for TKill or THit on purpose, while the one that has no common sense and fights like an idiot spamming in the middle of friendlies can stay in a game and laugh.

*hugs beauchamp* i said many times that you were a bundle of sticks but at least you're cool :)

edit : about nuffen, well i don't really have a problem with you, i just nominated you to defend a friend because he didn't deserve it, it's stupid i know, but well i admit i was still raging about last time you kicked/muted/banned me :)
about meow, trolling is part of this crpg, at least it's the way i see it, i didn't really have a prob with you before you started taunting me, muting, well, being unpleasant, but yeh recently you obviously showed some hate against me, can't do much about it

about haters ... haters gonna hate, even if oberyn writes an awesome thread
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: [ptx] on April 20, 2011, 12:13:08 am
Yeah, Meow, we know how 4 nominations in a day look like, hence the thread. A lot of us did not support that, voted No and actually argued against the nominations.
Mercs don't have no single opinion and are hardly a clan. We are simply a collection of players, do not judge us by the actions of the other mercs, like you do not judge clanless players, because of the actions of other clanless players.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Noctivagant on April 20, 2011, 12:19:19 am
I don't think admins are against us, its bullshit. But admins think that we think! we are excluded from rules? this is just an another bullshit.

You guys are (haters) completely missing our qualities. We are here since the ancient times of cRPG. I personally have finished an armor&weapons pack for community. All for community.
Cmp, Vargas, Varyag, Mustikki, Ptx, Phazh all working for you, administrating, making maps, developing the mod...Tell me which one of you didn't use the Character planner and XP calculator?
How many players out there carrying Merc banner because we are capable of winning a round for you?
Who tested the first strategus beta battle?

Yes we do have trolls in the clan, yes some of us rage as hell. Yeah I agree on that. It doesn't mean we are bad guys. We are just here longer than many of you and we are really bored, but we also help the community.

Judge us, hate us, punish us. But be fair that's all I'm asking.

Noctivagant (to avoid naming other admins)

Cheers man

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Sit Yo 5$... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSEYXWmEse8#t=2m44s)
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Paul on April 20, 2011, 12:22:14 am
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Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vanular on April 20, 2011, 12:24:11 am
And join who exactly?

Well, that's not up for me to decide - I'm sure you can find out yourself  :)

Alternatively, if Oberyn actually wanted to deal with the issue of being hated, he could actually do something about it and kick some of their more  ... carismatic (?) ... members - Or perhaps create a set of rules for behaviour. I don't see why you're making this the general cRPG players fault when the blame obviously can only lie with the clan.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Olwen on April 20, 2011, 12:29:26 am
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RACIST, well at least i'm leading the cycle,

ANARCHY ! :p

vanular you're pathetic trying to split us :D i offered to leave, they asked me to stay, i donno if admins will allow it and i don't know if i want it, i won't come back soon, all i can say,  i like the mercs because they're fun people to play with and we laughed a lot together, it's the only things that links me to crpg atm, and well if you can't make a difference between 2 people ... ( complete this sentence yourself )
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vanular on April 20, 2011, 12:31:03 am
vanular you're pathetic trying to split us :D

No  :D By all means, stick together. Just don't bitch about it when people hate you. The only one to blame for that is yourselves.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Jarlek on April 20, 2011, 12:35:57 am
snip

P.S. Also I was banned from risen server for asking whther they like mein kampf....no kidding.
I literally typed this in chat "do you like mein kampf"?
And BAM..permabanned. Job done, right?

"and BAM... permabanned." I was the one who banned you btw. After I logged on long after the incident since you ran away after they said you were gonna get banned. So it wasn't BAM permabanned. I can't say exactly how shit happened on the server, I just got instructions that if Varyag gets back on the Risen server then he should be banned for being a chocolate chip cookie. So stop saying you were instantly banned, liar.

And as I told you later that day (on shogunate_cRPG I think) You were banned because of facism/YMCA and that I wasn't there I just got the memo that you were a ban on sight (since you ran away before they could ban you)and that if you want an unban you should post a request in the Risen server ban/unban request thread or PM Thovex or Chryseus.

That being said, the mercs can't hide behind the "we are mercenaries" mantra when they have a huge amount of land in Strategus. I actually think it is really sad that a clan that actually fight over territory is called Mercs and not an organisation that helps people that doesn't want to be in a clan to still fight in Strategus battles. You know, like swords-for-hire or mercenaries. Although I guess a namechange for the clan would be too cumbersome to do.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Olwen on April 20, 2011, 12:41:35 am
That being said, the mercs can't hide behind the "we are mercenaries" mantra when they have a huge amount of land in Strategus. I actually think it is really sad that a clan that actually fight over territory is called Mercs and not an organisation that helps people that doesn't want to be in a clan to still fight in Strategus battles. You know, like swords-for-hire or mercenaries. Although I guess a namechange for the clan would be too cumbersome to do.

we helped people getting their own lands, they got ganked by blocs unfortunatly ( pecores, centurions, for example ), we also helped both blocs, fallens, ninjas, 22nd, searaiders, hre, guards, shogunate, ats for examples,

there was not much else to do unfortunatly, templars always hated us and refused to hire us, drz was op and didn't need us, fallens prefered spending their money somewhere else, well, you know
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vanular on April 20, 2011, 12:43:42 am
templars always hated us and refused to hire us

Yes ... for some reason we had to pay "special" prices for your services.

Zapper raises some valid points though.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: BD_Guard_Bane on April 20, 2011, 12:47:20 am
we helped people getting their own lands, they got ganked by blocs unfortunatly ( pecores, centurions, for example ), we also helped both blocs, fallens, ninjas, 22nd, searaiders, hre, guards, shogunate for examples,

eh? Unless you mean that some of you applied for us in battles?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Olwen on April 20, 2011, 12:48:44 am
we were trying to balance things, cheaper for small factions, higher cost for blocs, btw the fact that you threatened us and that you were being ganked and lost all your troops against drz didn't help me giving you something easily affordable, i offered my help to growl as he was a friend, he refused it, don't blame me

about guards we gave you some money for your attack against drz, didn't we ? not for free btw, mercing too yeh
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Siiem on April 20, 2011, 12:50:22 am
Strategus fucntions so that the more land you have the more troops you can have. Therefore it would be beneficary for us to have more land so we could could get more troops and more valuable contracts. We even sold conquered land. If troop gain would function differently however things could probably have been done otherwise.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: BD_Guard_Bane on April 20, 2011, 12:53:14 am
about guards we gave you some money for your attack against drz, didn't we ? not for free btw, mercing too yeh

Hmm? We sold you a fief (after you turned into estate agents).


Anyway, the strategus thing isn't really on-topic, but while we're talking about it; the Mercs in strategus were really (mainly) an experiment as to how possible it would be for them to be a merc clan. The results were quite interesting, too. 
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Casimir on April 20, 2011, 12:55:44 am
Olwens funny


Many mercs go around insulting other players, arguing with them in game and on the forums, then your shocked when your clan gets a bad rep. There are some decent mercs but a lot of you guys seem to cause confrontation, whether intended or not.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vanular on April 20, 2011, 12:57:21 am
we were trying to balance things, cheaper for small factions, higher cost for blocs, btw the fact that you threatened us and that you were being ganked and lost all your troops against drz didn't help me giving you something easily affordable, i offered my help to growl as he was a friend, he refused it, don't blame me

Well, that's between you and Growl and out of this topics scope.

On topic though: Please realise that there might be a reason as to why people are hating on you. You could always improve if you wished not to be hated, instead of blaming everyone else. 
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on April 20, 2011, 01:03:43 am
Bottom line is i think, just because of olwen, xant,siiem and vicious' trolling, the rest of us are guilty by association.
Sweet.  :)
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: [ptx] on April 20, 2011, 01:03:53 am
Vanular, have you actually read anything written here? Your responses imply that you have not.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Noctivagant on April 20, 2011, 01:03:59 am
That being said, the mercs can't hide behind the "we are mercenaries" mantra when they have a huge amount of land in Strategus. I actually think it is really sad that a clan that actually fight over territory is called Mercs and not an organisation that helps people that doesn't want to be in a clan to still fight in Strategus battles. You know, like swords-for-hire or mercenaries. Although I guess a namechange for the clan would be too cumbersome to do.

...At that time, the sides weren't limited to how many people they could hire.  The computer would hire literally anyone who signed up, and they could all play.  So when it came to the actual battle, we had 60 people on the server, but they had 90.  But the AI's hiring of everyone who signed up didn't help it, and since I hired all the good players first, especially the Mercs (who killed half the enemy alone)...

Mercenaries are not Mother Teressa or Red Cross, We need land to build a military force and money to gear it up. Its no surprise that you guys lose battles against us in every occasion. You absolutely have no idea about strategy, politics economy etc...
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Siiem on April 20, 2011, 01:06:28 am
Bottom line is i think, just because of olwen, xant, siiem and vicious' trolling, the rest of us are guilty by association.
Sweet.  :)

WUT?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vanular on April 20, 2011, 01:07:08 am
Vanular, have you actually read anything written here? Your responses imply that you have not.

I replied to the original post and other posts that replied to me.

I didn't bother with the rest, but I seriously doubt you reached an epiphany on the first two pages. Have you read my replies?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: [ptx] on April 20, 2011, 01:09:24 am
Yes, and you completely miss the point.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vanular on April 20, 2011, 01:11:33 am
Yes, and you completely miss the point.

No, I'm simply raising another.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on April 20, 2011, 01:13:46 am
Dude vanular, we dont blame others for the hate - we would just like some people (very few mind you) to distinguish between who in our clan are trolls who deserve the hate and the members who just wanna play the game and enjoy themselves.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 20, 2011, 01:17:36 am
My view is if you hold land, fight along side each other, have a clan tag, have a clan banner, and your own thread as well as a voice chat... then you are a clan, right?

If you have some sour apples then you need to realize that they may spread a bad reputation amongst the rest of the barrel..

Yes, I can understand the difference between an upstanding member and a troll, and I shall not assume that ptx for example is a jerk even though there are some mers who are... I can tell the difference.

However, I also understand that you are capable of policing your own members, and if you choose to not do so, then you must accept the consequences. You are willingly associating yourself with certain members, so how are you that surprised that some people are viewing you in a bad light because of it?

For the record, I do not have an issue with the mercs, but I do expect the mercs to accept that they are a clan that does not let just anyone join... thus it is not "common rabble," and thus you will be treated like a clan.

If a merc screws up, I will not blame them all, but I will however note that the clan tolerates his/her behavior and does nothing about it.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vanular on April 20, 2011, 01:18:45 am
Dude vanular, we dont blame others for the hate - we would just like some people (very few mind you) to distinguish between who in our clan are trolls who deserve the hate and the members who just wanna play the game and enjoy themselves.

Yes, and I bet your prayers are being heard.

I'm just raising a point as to why the "general community" and therefore also admins are responding this way - and giving you an easy solution - Just behave civilised as a clan or deal with being watched extra carefully.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Tetris on April 20, 2011, 01:20:55 am
Why is this on the faction hall area? :p
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on April 20, 2011, 01:22:02 am
Was moved here by admin
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Tetris on April 20, 2011, 01:24:28 am
fail admin imo, this should be in "General" discussion.. xD

I dont like walking into a room full of grenades :p

edit: Off Topic ftw.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Varyag on April 20, 2011, 02:32:33 am
Quote
"and BAM... permabanned." I was the one who banned you btw. After I logged on long after the incident since you ran away after they said you were gonna get banned. So it wasn't BAM permabanned. I can't say exactly how shit happened on the server, I just got instructions that if Varyag gets back on the Risen server then he should be banned for being a chocolate chip cookie. So stop saying you were instantly banned, liar.

NO YOU ARE THE LIER HERE. After I said the phrase "do you like mein kampf" (where does it say here that I am chocolate chip cookie?) I was banned the next second without any warning, without any explanation. In the ban log it said permaban. however, after several hours I managed to log in to the risen server again, only to be told by ur admin that from now on I am permabanned, and again was banned the next second. This time really permabanned.

SO YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE BULLSHITTING HERE MAN!

AND I ACCUSE YOUR CLAN FOR BEING chocolate chip cookie AND FASCHISTS! reasoning? Just for the fact that on your server you do not allow people from other cultures to talk to each other in their own languages! einstein would be proud of such offsprings, thats for sure!
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Belatu on April 20, 2011, 02:39:56 am
(click to show/hide)



No offence to the many mercs whom i actually respect =).

I havent read the whole thread, but i found this picture and I think it is enough for this XD  :P
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 20, 2011, 03:01:49 am
AND I ACCUSE YOUR CLAN FOR BEING chocolate chip cookie AND FASCHISTS! reasoning? Just for the fact that on your server you do not allow people from other cultures to talk to each other in their own languages! einstein would be proud of such offsprings, thats for sure!

einstein actually admired the English culture and others, and had a list of "Desirable" individuals such as poets, great writers, musicians etc...

Anywho, am I the only one who finds it ironic that a thread that says "Do not stereotype our entire clan" has a guy in it stereotyping an entire clan?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Braeden on April 20, 2011, 04:22:27 am
Aww, nice, Noctivagant read my history.  Its true, I did quite enjoy hiring the Mercenaries, and they were well worth the cost on every occasion.  I don't really understand the trouble with them owning land, I myself would call land owning mercenaries "successful" not "unmercenary-like."

That said, a clan is judged by its members.  All the Mercs I interact with I like, so I would tend to judge a random Merc well, even ones I don't like as well I give grace to for their associations with people I trust and value, and because past service was helpful.  But that works both ways.  A clan makes you into one people, and if you do not chastise your membership, then it shall be assumed that you approve of their actions.  "Don't associate us with these members of our clan" means nothing.  "Don't associate us with these former members of our clan" has meaning, as does "Please accept the apology from these members of our clan who have promised to reform their behavior."

Like it or not, for better or worse, you associate yourselves with the actions of your clanmates.  Control them, leave them, expel them or accept them, and know that all of those reflect upon you.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Gondemar on April 20, 2011, 08:29:25 am
Well well well... As a "semi casual" player, I didn't tried much strategus pre-patch, and just play with a few friends on EU servers on a regular basis. I must say, if sometimes Mercs are not the nicest guys (And I don't except them to be. I already have played a mercenary on other online games, and you just can't and must not have a nice guy reputation), they are fine to play with and I never had to complain myself. Good players, it's always nice when they are on your team, and hell of a challenge when you face them.

As said, they also give a lot to this game, but as it is human nature, we remember people more for what we hate about them than for what we owe them. Therefore, even if you don't have rules in your clan, you just have to know that you'll just soil the clan's reputation when, well, you act like a jerk. And it applies to every clans. It's cool that you play between friends and have fun together (it's the point of a multiplayer game after all), but you'll get the other Mercs into trouble, or make them look like assholes if you act like one (hypothetically speaking, I don't say you do). And that, there's nothing you can do about that except trying to behave sometimes. This thread is a good idea too (maybe a little troll magnet-ish), but it will be quickly forgotten : next time one of you will be trolling, it will probably be "Mercs' fault" (Generally speaking, for casual players or those who don't really know each Merc). Sad but true.

Varyag, the Risen server rules may not be the most tolerant, but they are understandable (It's a multiplayer game, you come and join a community and it's quite rude for other players to just speak a language they won't understand. Just my opinion.). If their rules were "If you speak a different language than English, we will track you down, put you, your friends and your family into camps where you will slowly perish, until we wipe the shit out of you in a gas chamber" then they indeed might be chocolate chip cookies. I guess they're not, and you could have actually discussed it if you really cared about that.
But you were taunting them there, don't say you weren't expecting that they wouldn't react, and that they would take it well. You were trolling, and that's too bad because that's what might make you look bad.

You're great players, skilled and all, and I'm pretty sure that all "Mercs are assholes" thing is overdone, from what I've seen. Just don't give "Mercs' haters" reasons to be right.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Ginosaji on April 20, 2011, 08:40:35 am
I don't have a problem with any Merc, but:

NO YOU ARE THE LIER HERE. After I said the phrase "do you like mein kampf" [...]

How old are you.. 10? Not that I feel offended by someone who writes such a phrase (I'm Austrian, so for the rest of the world it's enough to hear me speaking in German to label me as chocolate chip cookie), but what was the intention?
Seriously, even things like "whistle for boobies" or similar stuff are more mature than expecting any response at all for "do you like mein kampf". Tbh. you should be permabanned for this until it's proven that you're old enough to play games like M&B :P

You're great players, skilled and all, and I'm pretty sure that all "Mercs are assholes" thing is overdone, from what I've seen. Just don't give "Mercs' haters" reasons to be right.

+1
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Thovex on April 20, 2011, 09:00:05 am
NO YOU ARE THE LIER HERE. After I said the phrase "do you like mein kampf" (where does it say here that I am chocolate chip cookie?) I was banned the next second without any warning, without any explanation. In the ban log it said permaban. however, after several hours I managed to log in to the risen server again, only to be told by ur admin that from now on I am permabanned, and again was banned the next second. This time really permabanned.

SO YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE BULLSHITTING HERE MAN!

AND I ACCUSE YOUR CLAN FOR BEING chocolate chip cookie AND FASCHISTS! reasoning? Just for the fact that on your server you do not allow people from other cultures to talk to each other in their own languages! einstein would be proud of such offsprings, thats for sure!

You are ridiculous and not getting unbanned.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Karmazyn on April 20, 2011, 10:38:21 am
NO YOU ARE THE LIER HERE. After I said the phrase "do you like mein kampf" (where does it say here that I am chocolate chip cookie?) I was banned the next second without any warning, without any explanation. In the ban log it said permaban. however, after several hours I managed to log in to the risen server again, only to be told by ur admin that from now on I am permabanned, and again was banned the next second. This time really permabanned.

SO YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE BULLSHITTING HERE MAN!

AND I ACCUSE YOUR CLAN FOR BEING chocolate chip cookie AND FASCHISTS! reasoning? Just for the fact that on your server you do not allow people from other cultures to talk to each other in their own languages! einstein would be proud of such offsprings, thats for sure!


Ahhaha, lol. You and Bjord can thank PTX for his work as admin and moderator in the last weeks he got enough chances to stop the risen criminals.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vicious666 on April 20, 2011, 11:02:58 am
Hi
As Im the only non-merc in this post mentioned, I think I should answer.
When Olwen nominated me (because I was hunting mercs,he said), I checked the banlist. As the banlist gets capped off to not make the loading times too bad (its very bad, takes about 5-10 minutes to load), it only goes back to january. I could find 4 mercs (included one without merc-tag) that Ive banned. As some of the mercs have (not all, just some) accused me of a witch-hunt against mercs, I just wanna show the numbers. I have on some evenings banned more than 4 players (mostly leechers), so 4 mercs is a pretty low number.
Why do I show this number? Because I want to make it clear, Im not going after mercs.

I dont think you can find any posts or irc-quotes of me accusing the merc-clan as a whole to be against me (or other admins), but that a group inside the mercs is. I know several mercs I got the deepest respect for and Im not trying to generalise you as a whole. But, and theres a but here. You are like the only clan who _dont_ care about your reputation. That does reflect badly on you.
I was accused of threating mercs different than non-mercs not long ago, as I would give mercs 3 day bans and non-mercs 1 day bans. This is not true. 90% of my bans are 3 day bans, and only on special incidents I give more or less (especially if people show regret or understanding of the ban, I reduce the time, if they insult me or shows they dont accept the rules, I extend it).

To be clear, when I admin, I ignore nicks. If I find someone whos doing something so bad they need a ban, I first ban, THEN check their history (still ignoring their history) to decide if they are repeaters who need some extra cooldown. Some mercs, I wont mention names, are repeaters, and they get extra time. I dont think this have applied to mercs yet tho.

There are some admin-to-admin stuff here too, as mercs have a lot of admins. I wont comment these incidents.


i was never banned or kicked from you on my entire crpg  life, that not means  you are a good admin, or that i cant  open a vote against you , i saw what you where writing about me and against me, like a sort of  backtalking and smacktalking  about me in irc,       and i finded that unacceptable, and clearly a conflict of interest with your position., plus also very  childish and unfair for someone who cover an admin position.

so nothing regards you hunting  Mercs .




Talking abouT admins in general  towards Merc, for make an exmaple i go afk i get banned,     but yesterday i was in game , playng   with leiknir lafrsoon  meow and other admin,    I WRITE 5X TIME   A NAME OF A GUY  THAT IS RUSHING INTO ENEMY SPAWN,  PLUS ANOTHER GUY  TOTALLY NAKED LEECHING

you think they banned  or even kicked them?   NOPE the totally ignored them until this 2 guy logged off by theyr own   , but i am sure they where watching me like stalkers,  at list i hope  you learned how to play watching me doing 35-1  for 3 maps consecutive. (yes i am sarcastic)

what that  makes me think? double standarD?    ma your own valutation.

How i can expect fair judgement when half of admin in this mod play in clan who are rivals of merC? so every time there is an opportunity for  ban a merc, is a good thing? since it goes at theyr advantage?

bla bla bla this is a mod we not have being payed for  do admin,  BULLSHIT, i was running an Ultima online server with 700 player     , and the game master groups wheredoing the   GM  and not playng,     they where playng uo on another server,  and none of them quitted. so professionality     is an option if the people really wanna it.     

how many of current admin will be rdy to not play for admin only?     i think  5%     
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Berserkadin on April 20, 2011, 11:16:45 am
And join who exactly?
The Lumberjacks ofc
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: [ptx] on April 20, 2011, 11:49:08 am
This is turning into a rage thread, sadly :/
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: okiN on April 20, 2011, 12:08:37 pm
Did you really expect anything different?

By the way...

how many of current admin will be rdy to not play for admin only?     i think  5% 

If that. Here we don't really have the option of playing on another server, and being an admin is enough of a pain in the ass already without having to give up the right to play the game at all. I do this as a favor to chadz, and because somebody has to, but nobody has a right to expect that kind of dedication without paying me a salary.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Meow on April 20, 2011, 12:08:51 pm
@Vicious
Not only do you completely miss that UO is WAY different from c-rpg especially when it comes to doing GM/Admin work, you also ONCE AGAIN fail to see the point of this...
You are still not a victim here.
Good way to solve your problems: Become a full time admin.
I am pretty sure if you ask the staff if you can stop playing and just admin the servers there won't be any problems, until you do that stop requesting that other admins do it.

---

I can only repeat it once more for everyone: If you have a problem with an admin the first thing you should do is get on IRC (http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=mount%26blade-crpg) and talk to him if that fails take it to some other admin.
Dragging it out into the forum EVERY SINGLE TIME causes drama and nothing else.
If you need help on the server and no one is reacting to your in game chat: Get on irc and ask for admin help.

This will be my last post in here.
I'm sure it won't take a week until the next drama comes up...
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Jambi on April 20, 2011, 12:29:32 pm
I havent read the whole thread, but i found this picture and I think it is enough for this XD  :P

Its a Zebra not a Horse, your observations failed :D
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: RandomDude on April 20, 2011, 12:32:58 pm
read 4 1/2 pages

I can say that I had some "beef" or disagreements with 2 guys who later joined mercs but they are volatile guys and I was probably similar to them in some ways when I was younger.

This didn't impact on my view of the clan as a whole.

I've missed all the drama that's gone on lately though.

It's gonna be really really hard to get people not to judge a clan by what it's members do, whether they are defended by clan mates or not. Fallen try to get mature-minded players to avoid some of these issues but a few of us may still act up now and then. It's not usually a serious issue though.

Basically - I see what you're trying to do with this thread and it works a little bit but players are just gonna see the tag in-game first, especially if they dont know individual players, and judge the clan as a whole from that. I'm sure some people hate Fallen cos I tk'd them =(

Personally, in the forums I see clan tags less and more the individual, if that helps.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Kafein on April 20, 2011, 12:41:07 pm
Btw, if I hate (for various and diverse reasons) 75% of Mercs, does it makes me a bad guy if I say "I hate Mercs" ? Although tbh I get along very well with a few of you.

I think Mercs, by not caring about their reputation and the behavior of their members, will suffer from scenarios like that :

"I hate this guy (whatever reason) ! *looks at the nick* hey it's a Merc. They accept assholes, maybe I could join ?"
some time passes
"I hate this guy too (another dumb reason) ! *looks at the nick* a Merc again..."

And you can easily repeat that 5 to 10 times... Even if it's not wanted, any human being will start to make assumptions about the Merc clan and members, expecting them to be asshats.

If you want a big part of the general rabble community to hate you, who cares... But this is also true for admins. And we cannot guarantee all admins want to be and are perfectly equal in their judgments and attention, not mixing their job with personal feelings.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: karasu on April 20, 2011, 02:32:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4p8qxGbpOk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4p8qxGbpOk)

 :oops:
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on April 20, 2011, 03:13:55 pm
but this stands for almost every clan if say fallen or DRZ had clan members that do stuff that people dont like then they will be judged by those players actions

like when i was in 22nd i made them look bad without noticing but now i can see that i did and i regret that  but what im trying to say is that you cant stop people from thinking what they want to .
+1

And good post Oberyn, this school of thought needs to be applied to all clans from now on.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Teeth on April 20, 2011, 03:24:22 pm
+1

And good post Oberyn, this school of thought needs to be applied to all clans from now on.

I think it shouldnt. Most clans actually care about their reputation and dont really accept players that are major assholes or rulebreakers, because it reflects bad on them. I think its a responsibility of clans to make sure their players are not misbehaving and I think its also a good thing that major douchebags might have a hard time to get/stay in a clan. So I think that when a player from a clan isnt being nice and he doesnt get corrected by his clan I have the right to reflect that on the clan itself.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Gnjus on April 20, 2011, 04:01:36 pm
Well what can i say, there were no major assholes and rulebreakers in the Mercs when i was around.......I've always said that Lolwen and Bloberyn were too soft for leading such a bunch of wild scumbags, douchebags, cutthroats and scoundrels. I mean - allowing Vicious to post on forums without a personal advisor/translator ? Recruiting people like Jambi and Bjord (yeah i vouched for him before he showed his real face)? These are only a few examples, i could go on for the rest of the day.  :twisted:

You lads weren't so soft when i met you.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Mtemtko on April 20, 2011, 04:12:09 pm
Well what can i say, there were no major assholes and rulebreakers in the Mercs when i was around.......I've always said that Lolwen and Bloberyn were too soft for leading such a bunch of wild scumbags, douchebags, cutthroats and scoundrels. I mean - allowing Vicious to post on forums without a personal advisor/translator ? Recruiting people like Jambi and Bjord (yeah i vouched for him before he showed his real face)? These are only a few examples, i could go on for the rest of the day.  :twisted:

You lads weren't so soft when i met you.  :twisted:

I blame you for recruiting Siiem, that ultimately lead to this. I HATE YOU, I HATE ALL OF YOU CROATIANS.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: VVarlord on April 20, 2011, 04:12:36 pm
*Grabs jam butties and sits on the fence*
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Gnjus on April 20, 2011, 05:17:21 pm
I blame you for recruiting Siiem, that ultimately lead to this. I HATE YOU, I HATE ALL OF YOU CROATIANS.

I admit, that was my biggest mistake as a Merc leader.......ever.  :wink:
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Xant on April 20, 2011, 05:21:03 pm
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Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Siiem on April 20, 2011, 05:32:48 pm
Siiem is sad panda.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Nemeth on April 20, 2011, 05:38:38 pm
Siiem is sad panda.

Here, have a cookie.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Jarlek on April 20, 2011, 05:39:57 pm
Here, have a cookie.
THOSE COOKIES WAS MEANT FOR YOU NEMETH!!!

Well I guess Siiem can have some too :D
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Siiem on April 20, 2011, 05:40:37 pm
Here, have a cookie.

Thank you, could you... you know, allso shine my shoes, perhaps?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Nemeth on April 20, 2011, 05:44:27 pm
Thank you, could you... you know, allso shine my shoes, perhaps?

Perhaps, perhaps not.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Xant on April 20, 2011, 05:53:59 pm
MERCENARIES

WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: VVarlord on April 20, 2011, 05:57:25 pm
MERCENARIES

WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION


Bog cleaner. Bin Man. Window Licker. Grass Cutter. Xant's special needs teacher.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vicious666 on April 20, 2011, 06:03:39 pm
MERCENARIES

WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION


AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vicious666 on April 20, 2011, 06:07:40 pm
@Vicious
Not only do you completely miss that UO is WAY different from c-rpg especially when it comes to doing GM/Admin work, you also ONCE AGAIN fail to see the point of this...
You are still not a victim here.
Good way to solve your problems: Become a full time admin.
I am pretty sure if you ask the staff if you can stop playing and just admin the servers there won't be any problems, until you do that stop requesting that other admins do it.

---

I can only repeat it once more for everyone: If you have a problem with an admin the first thing you should do is get on IRC (http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=mount%26blade-crpg) and talk to him if that fails take it to some other admin.
Dragging it out into the forum EVERY SINGLE TIME causes drama and nothing else.
If you need help on the server and no one is reacting to your in game chat: Get on irc and ask for admin help.

This will be my last post in here.
I'm sure it won't take a week until the next drama comes up...

dont act like you not deliberating ignoring my  text, becouse i writed it many times.     

and i not see  other needed  to go on irc  for  kick or ban me.   so again double standard , is simply convenient for you and other focus on me instead  the naked noob  with no clan.   proof?  when i get a ban  thread  on ban section? view  goes from 700  to 1k, any other player  if have 100-150 view  is much.

that tells a lot about the interest that there is around , other player  have admins administrate them i have my personal PACK of admin  follow me every time i log , and it happenes in a so not hided way and child way that is  obvious to everybody., i can spend hours talking about special rules made only for me, or  adapted for the occasion.

some admin  are soo much on me, that when they wanna ban me they not do directly that but ask another admin for do that , for "elude" the personal interest or conflict.


and btw you can admin withouth playng is simply that you not wanna, otherwise the weight of the admin cant be used for favour  your own clan, or pursue rivals. and 90% will not do that, becouse  90% not do that for  the  love of the mod or community, but for love of theyr personal internet ego.
And uo gm  where pretty similar to the role you have here, so if i get a  fucking team of italian doing that, you can do that also. no excuses , or at minimum you should do that admin must be not part of a clan.      or how you can even minimally,  talk to the community in a superiority way,     when your own position  is not clear or fair.   

how i am supposed to be  judged fair if admin is for example templar? or risen? who  is clearly  2 clan    who have issue with  MerC?    i need only to pray and hope?      sorry but i not believe in this.   

you wanna the power, with all the bonuses, withouth the normal badside of such position.  and that include Merc admins, who should not ban kick or judge member of clans who are clearly our enemys
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Mtemtko on April 20, 2011, 06:21:31 pm
Siiem is sad panda.

I'm sorry man, it was not my intention to hurt your feelings.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Siiem on April 20, 2011, 06:32:05 pm
Siiem is still sad panda.

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Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Xant on April 20, 2011, 06:43:50 pm

AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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I wonder what the scriptwriter of "300" was thinking. "Hmm.. AAAUWHUAUUHWAUWA was a profession back then, right? Sounds like one helluva cool profession, too! So that's what the Spartans did for a living!"
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Cris on April 20, 2011, 07:38:39 pm
hi mercs...how are things?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: VVarlord on April 20, 2011, 07:50:43 pm
hi mercs...how are things?

Please refrain from speaking to us as a whole.

Hi oberyn or hi lolwen. :D
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Cris on April 20, 2011, 07:52:17 pm
Please refrain from speaking to us as a whole.

Hi oberyn or hi lolwen. :D

Ok then.

Hi all mercs i knew since before i stopped playing. (that better? :P)
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Noctivagant on April 20, 2011, 07:53:09 pm

AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMy9y4hpf5o#t=30s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMy9y4hpf5o#t=31s)
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: VVarlord on April 20, 2011, 07:57:35 pm
Ok then.

Hi all mercs i knew since before i stopped playing. (that better? :P)

:P much better.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on April 20, 2011, 08:13:25 pm
I blame you for recruiting Siiem, that ultimately lead to this. I HATE YOU, I HATE ALL OF YOU CROATIANS.

We wont share the sea. Umad?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Mtemtko on April 20, 2011, 08:34:52 pm
Ok then.

Hi all mercs i knew since before i stopped playing. (that better? :P)

You suck
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Bjord on April 20, 2011, 08:43:14 pm
Well I guess the direction of this thread has well been derailed. I'm not surprised, though. :lol:


Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Opium.dk on April 20, 2011, 09:04:26 pm
Who patch know works it?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: karasu on April 20, 2011, 11:10:52 pm
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Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Noctivagant on April 21, 2011, 02:23:12 am
whatever....
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Kafein on April 21, 2011, 03:48:17 am
Ok then.

Hi all mercs i knew since before i stopped playing. (that better? :P)

Well, they weren't so bad back then... Aargh... patch = drama. Many friendly players either stopped or became douchebags  :cry:
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Ulrich_88 on April 21, 2011, 05:03:14 pm
I clanleader Teutonic Order we can play with you on Friday 22.04.2011 18-00 GMT on shogunate dojo server.
You are ready?
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on April 21, 2011, 06:45:31 pm
I clanleader Teutonic Order we can play with you on Friday 22.04.2011 18-00 GMT on shogunate dojo server.
You are ready?

http://merc-crpg.eu/

Register here and post in diplomacy or talk to one of our clan leaders by pm or teamspeak.
Noctivagant is your best bet.

EDIT: pm me if unsure.
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Vibe on April 22, 2011, 11:59:37 am
Why did the drama stop? :(
Title: Re: Mercs and Mercs
Post by: Nemeth on April 22, 2011, 01:25:05 pm
I blame Siiem.