i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this community
you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature
i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this community
you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature
i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this community
you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature
and they're still going to lose miserably. god wills it. enjoy your strat wipe, hosps
i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this community
you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature
i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this communityYou want people to "act" mature, we require administrators to "be" mature. Maybe one day you'll grow up enough to understand the difference between the two.
you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature
Haha, dude I get where you are coming from but this is the Diplomacy board for Strategus, where we post about war and stuff. In the ban request forum I'm very fair and reasonable, I believe I even veto'd a ban request on a Chevalieres player recently because of little evidence. Then had to ban a different one the next day because of good evidence.
Here we are supposed to brag, rage, taunt, intimidate, and mostly just explain just what the hell is going on in the Strat map so everyone can keep track of the drama. Its part of what makes Strat fun: the clash of personalities, of leadership styles, of alliances, of grudges, and all sorts of nonsensical bullshit that makes up the cRPG community.
Its not even like I have a personal problem with Hospitallers, but they are typically the most formidable NA clan in Strategus. After the Northern Empire's collapse, where Hospitaller and Occitan fought to the death with minimal resources when their allies abandoned them, they became one hell of a war machine every Strat since. I may have butchered countless Hospitallers from horseback with the Cavalieres at my side then, but we all enjoyed their fighting spirit.
And I'm honored they see my small, humble faction as their biggest threat. Because they're right.
Hell, I've been pretty friendly with Chevalieres, I love Occitan, some Fallen people are chill bros, and Ecko was never really a bad guy. But we can't we put aside our mutual like of each other for the sake of death and destruction? This is war, after all.
And this desert will be your graves.
At the very least Hosp could have tried to plan the battles at better times.Whats wrong with the times my dear peasant?
Whats wrong with the times my dear peasant?
Mid-day battles don't jive with my pig herding hours sadly.
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=628 Cmon guys 655 he could wait to later tonight?They know that if they had the battles at fair times they would have to actually fight and have a hard time winning the war
Some pretty terrible battle times...What is this? Have you done something to intimidate us? Just because you marched into our territory and attacked a few fiefs with tiny armies changes nothing.
That being said, like Lordark said, we're still open to negotiations. We'll take Samarra Castle back and then we can discuss a trade for it. It seems Hero_Party has more to lose by war happening in their lands than we do, bring us something juicy and maybe we'll bite. If we agree to terms we wouldn't renege on them, as it would be publicly announced, and our glorious leaders value honor. Until then, war it is.
Good luck to both sides, and mainly the EU mercs who will have to fight for us in the day time :evil:
What is this? Have you done something to intimidate us? Just because you marched into our territory and attacked a few fiefs with tiny armies changes nothing.
You're right, you still attacked a sovereign castle, a hostile act which sparked this war. You can choose to end it at any time.
And now Chevaliers and Malta left Hosps as yourbitchesvassals and Papal Guard disbanded into some weeaboo group or joined you or whatever.
GG
Chevaliers were never Hospitaller vassals.
Hospitallers support Chevaliers' claim to take over control of Samarra castle from the Papal Guard...
Hopefully that glitch or bug abuse is looked into as far as why there's 4000 population...
And I was going to offer a KDR boosting party once we claimed it to knock down the population to regularity... Sigh...
Orders to concede the castle to hero_party: Confirmed
Just to let hero party know Papalgaurd was under hospitaller castle there claims go to who we say. Samara castle is now under the rule of Chevaliers the owner of the castle will be giving controll of it to inglorius and we will fix the bug with the population in the seige.
It's not blatantly aggressive. There is still an owner of the castle. He was our vassal as Papal Guard, and choose to join our faction and give us the castle. We planned on giving it to the Chevaliers. I told Inglorious we were trying to work out a diplomatic solution to the castle with hero_party. As it stands, our vassal controlled the castle, and we intend to keep it that way until a deal is reached. Seems pretty easy for all parties to comprehend except for forum posters.
Chevaliers were never our vassals, but worked closely with our faction.
Actually, it's easy. Either a) you are lying which is the most likely choice or b) Valdian was lying when he told several of us Chevaliers were your vassals. So which is it then, killer? Cut your losses and be quiet, you are not doing yourself a favor on the propaganda front.
Valdian is, and has been, very much out of the loop on the inner workings of the Hospitaller faction. Communication between officers, diplomats and Valdian were basically non-existent for months up until this last week. He was working deals without coming to me or Devilize first.
Chevaliers were never our vassals, and as such, were never declared our vassals anywhere publicly.
Let's step back and play devil's advocate here as well. Whether they were our vassals or not (and whether we're lying about it or not) what difference would that make in the way this played out? If Chevaliers were our vassals, it wouldn't change the fact that Tydeus attacked a sovereign castle (again, wouldn't matter if it was our vassals or not, attacking a sovereign fief is usually going to piss some people off). He pissed off the wrong people, wouldn't cancel the attack, and we were unable to come to diplomatic negotiations.
We weren't the aggressors here, hero_party was. All they have to do is give the castle back to the original lord (or what he wishes to do with it) and all this ends.
Logic doesn't appear to be your strong suit.
Chevaliers DID want the castle ...but Tydeus had attacked it before they got there. I told Inglorious to call off his claim on it because we were working to try and come to a diplomatic negotiation with hero_party.
Valdian is, and has been, very much out of the loop on the inner workings of the Hospitaller faction. Communication between officers, diplomats and Valdian were basically non-existent for months up until this last week. He was working deals without coming to me or Devilize first.
I told Inglorious to call off his claim on it because we were working to try and come to a diplomatic negotiation with hero_party.
Chevaliers "conceding" the castle, wasn't conceding to the hero_party, it was conceding back to the original owner (SaleHope). Inglorious was taking my advice to concede the castle, so they wouldn't be seen as fighting hero_party over it before we could try to reach a diplomatic negotiation.
And I was going to offer a KDR boosting party once we claimed it to knock down the population to regularity... Sigh...
Orders to concede the castle to hero_party: Confirmed
And I can't stress this enough: leave our territory, and the war ends.
Wat is up with these shitty battle times? One thing I always liked from hospi is they rarely initiated bad battles times, but this is 3 or 4 already that a bad times
Is it hero party nightimes or just "click-attack hope your chracter gets there at a good time?
Losing tincan armies to an albeit bigger army but an army with almost half the size of mercs showing up that the Hospitallers side had and at uncomfortable times to attack, as well as facing tincan gear.
My guess would be they think that the 10 man faction won't have any guys on at these random times, but a 60 man faction will always have some players on who play at non-prime time hours.
Chevaliers DID want the castle ...but Tydeus had attacked it before they got there. I told Inglorious to call off his claim on it because we were working to try and come to a diplomatic negotiation with hero_party.Ah, thanks for clearing this up for me. I've been getting my information from a vast amount of sources so it's tough to be able to know whose telling the truth and who is merely trying to be in the right.
Chevaliers never gave it to the hero_party, they were never in control of the castle. SaleHope (our vassal) never gave the castle to hero_party. Hero_party attacked a sovereign castle, who the lord happened to be allied with our faction. We never gave the castle to Chevaliers, because we were never in control of it. Your events are completely flawed.
Tydeus appeared not to know this until after the battle happened. He wouldnt' cancel the battle, and he has refused to give it back to the original lord.
There were communication breakdowns by all parties involved. We should have made it clear that the lord was giving it to us, and we were giving to Chevaliers. Chevaliers should have made it clear that they weren't just claiming the castle, but were being given the castle by the existing lord. hero_party should have contacted the lord to work out a diplomatic solution, instead of attacking a sovereign fief.
That being said, communication problems be damned, at any time Hero_party could have given the castle back to the original lord, or done with it as he wished. They have refused to do this, they are the aggressors.
That's all anyone needs to know.
That was so close to English.It's not his native tongue so I kind of hope you're being sarcastic.
Wat is up with these shitty battle times? One thing I always liked from hospi is they rarely initiated bad battles times, but this is 3 or 4 already that a bad timesIt's a hospitaller strategy, it has nothing to do with night time.
Is it hero party nightimes or just "click-attack hope your chracter gets there at a good time?
Are there any war correspondents in the area that can update us with screenshots and troop counts? Aside from the battle list, I can't get a good estimate of the actual size of this invasion. (I'm pretty sure the nighttime settings of the defenders and the attackers both are taken into consideration; someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)So far it's about 1200-1500 troops that are inconsistently geared. Most have a bit of transitional armor, heraldic mail and leather armor with mid tier weapons.
I'd like to point out that Hospitaller never came to the aid of the sovereign fief of New Ismirala--formerly known as Faraway Ismirala--which was owned by an independent faction. Why is there so much interest from Hospitaller in a fief that doesn't belong to one of their vassals, but an independent faction?
That was so close to English.
Are there any war correspondents in the area that can update us with screenshots and troop counts? Aside from the battle list, I can't get a good estimate of the actual size of this invasion. (I'm pretty sure the nighttime settings of the defenders and the attackers both are taken into consideration; someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)
As much as I would say otherwise, HOSP has been going 1:1 almost every battle. For their gear this sucks, but for the overall war, it's what you want.They've had less than 1:1, especially when you look at the fact that in the village battle where they were only fighting 300 population, they won the battle with zero troops to spare.
They've had less than 1:1, especially when you look at the fact that in the village battle where they were only fighting 300 population, they won the battle with zero troops to spare.
They've had less than 1:1, especially when you look at the fact that in the village battle where they were only fighting 300 population, they won the battle with zero troops to spare.
Really? 8AM EST on a Thursday for a fief? Stop being weirdos and have the battles at times where normal people can join? How else can I be accepted for either side andleechget experience?
Really? 8AM EST on a Thursday for a fief? Stop being weirdos and have the battles at times where normal people can join? How else can I be accepted for either side andleechget experience?
Really? 8AM EST on a Thursday for a fief? Stop being weirdos and have the battles at times where normal people can join? How else can I be accepted for either side andAs much as Lordark used to own Huey, he at least attacks at perfect times for NA players.leechget experience?
As much as Lordark used to own Huey, he at least attacks at perfect times for NA players.
Well lets see If Lordark pays mercs, since he hired me this time. Should be interesting fighting on the OTHER side in this war. 3 fights as hero party(who pays 1g rather than k:d pay or something. At least it's pay, but :( ) now once as a Hosp fighter.
You fools need pay mercs cause it's no fun being a freebie merc.
Currently my primary merc(NA side) Picks:
Chaos(best pay ever)
FCC(Pay good)
Kutt(pay decent) and LLJK(pay decent) and Shogunate (pay Decent)
Hero Party(They pay)
Non picks:
Coalition
Remnant
EU Side:
Nords cause they pay real good
The goat lord cause he pays and is just awesome.
A lord of a fief, is the lord of the fief. It's not a community thing. If a faction wants to change lords of a fief, and the lord doesn't agree, they can hold out and become an independent rogue.
After PapalGuard disbanded, if SaleHope choose to break allegiance with our faction, we would have accepted that. It was never the Hospitaller's castle to begin with. But being that he choose to stick with us, we would back him 100% to keep control of the castle (which would ultimately be granted to Chevaliers on our behalf).
so lets say someone who owns a castle directly in the middle of your land leaves and joins remnant, you would have no problwm witb us keeping said castle?
If a faction wants to change lords of a fief, and the lord doesn't agree, they can hold out and become an independent rogue.
Why is this mini-skirmish getting way more drama and attention than it deserves? He said she said elementary school bullshit. Put on your big boy pants everyone, Strategus is about having FUN. You're not going to expire over a small little matter, and more importantly, who the fuck cares? All you guys are doing is just giving EU players more to laugh at and prove their point further that the vast majority of us are just drama-seeking whores.
At least we are having battles and have something to look forward to this strat. Stop with the stupid 5 pages of retarded shit, you're killing my balls.
Talking about ratios.
First battle http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=601 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=601)
They lost 248 you lost 300. Gear wise: you guys did WAY better. Ticket wise: You guys lost out.
Battle 2:http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=608 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=608)
They lost 298 you lost 263 Not 1:1 but pretty close. You guys beat their gear whoring so You did better than numbers say, but ticket wise you guys barely won.
battle 3: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=605 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=605)
279 dead to their 289(+11). Another nearly 1:1 ticket loss.
But if you guys had shiney armies, I think those numbers WOULD be different. But in terms of tickets, you are NOT winning.
Sounds like you're inflicting some real damage to us. Oh wait, these are your fiefs we're attacking, and expendable armies we've sent. If you like wars in your territory, then continue as you've been doing (nothing) on the diplomatic front.TL;DR:
When you want peace brought to your lands, hand over the castle back to the rightful lord, and we'll discuss negotiating it over to you peacefully.
I don't see why you're only looking at things in terms of tickets, when that doesn't say very much about how things actually played out. You should know considering you were also there for all three battles.
In the first battle, hero_party had like 100 low quality weapons in total for 300 troops thanks to intelligent purchasing decisions on the part of the fief owner. It ended up being some kind of Stalingrad affair where we had to dodge swarms of sniping archers on rooftops and crossbow fire to get actually usable weapons off of the people we killed and then retrieve said weapons from our own corpses after we repoped. The second battle saw the hero_party side being noticeably outnumbered for the entire battle despite the ticket advantage because 10 people on the roster decided not to show up while all of the Hospitallers' side did. Considering that their side also had absolute superiority in terms of archers and cavalry compared to ours, it's nothing short of a miracle that we were able to both win and pull out a better than 1:1 ratio for that battle. The third battle again had the hero_party being noticeably outnumbered for the entire battle because 11 people on the roster never turned up and again pitted us against a well-equipped force that had an absolute superiority in terms of archers and cavalry. The fact that all of the fighting centered around possession of a big hill in the middle of the map, which forced us to charge uphill into volleys of arrows again and again didn't help matters either. Even with that, we were still able to pull out a solid win and do slightly better than 1:1 in the process.
Of course, what's arguably more important than the specifics of each individual battle is the fact that a faction with 10 people has so far managed to stalemate an full-on invasion by Hospitaller. That in itself is quite a feat, even before you look at things like tickets, gear, or rosters.
Never said anything about Hero's prowess. I did say that if HP had REAL gear, those battles would be different. And Yes I forgot about the number advantage, but it wasn't all THAT large of a number advantage for 2 battles.(1 and 5) while one battle was a disadvantage of 7(but fog reduced the enemies ability to fight that map).
But in strat, tickets matter. So if you just don't have enough tickets you lose, plain and simple. I'm a merc, so I go for whoever pays me, but in terms of long term war, HP is losing and Hosp is winning. In terms of battles, HP beats Hosp every time.
It's quite easy to see who will win a war between Hospitaller and hero_party, even if we could out-gear you and maintain a 2:1 ratio of kills to deaths, our best case scenario, which is highly unlikely, you'd still win through attrition if nothing else.http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/knights-hospitaller-declares-war-on-hero_party/msg622363/#msg622363
Then why is our entire clan circle-jerking in the snow? It's kinda boring up here in the north, man, not gonna lie.
Also, Tanken, you have very nice balls.
Talking about ratios.K:D only matters when you're losing troops and equipment, not population. Tally up troops lost then you see the real loses. We've lost about 530 troops total in this war, they've lost over 950 total.
First battle http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=601 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=601)
They lost 248 you lost 300. Gear wise: you guys did WAY better. Ticket wise: You guys lost out.
Battle 2:http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=608 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=608)
They lost 298 you lost 263 Not 1:1 but pretty close. You guys beat their gear whoring so You did better than numbers say, but ticket wise you guys barely won.
battle 3: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=605 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=605)
279 dead to their 289(+11). Another nearly 1:1 ticket loss.
But if you guys had shiney armies, I think those numbers WOULD be different. But in terms of tickets, you are NOT winning.
K:D only matters when you're losing troops and equipment, not population. Tally up troops lost then you see the real loses. We've lost about 530 troops total in this war, they've lost over 950 total.
Heh, I don't really care who wins, just who pays me better. But yea, Hosp is going to have to grind you guys down. Surprised they haven't started doing the Raid Fief feature to screw you guys over.Hey Anders I payed you for showing up to my battle and preforming well! WAs it enough? Also, we have planned for there raids.
Expect it soon enough.
Hey Anders I payed you for showing up to my battle and preforming well! WAs it enough? Also, we have planned for there raids.
lmao, really, an 8 am thursday battle? fuck off hosps.
It wasn't even a "click attack and go afk" either. i saw aztek's army hide in ahmerrad at about 3-4 AM, and figured he was gonna wait around here until primetime then attack something. I was going to let him stay there too, because it was too late to bother and wanted an evening fight.
Then I guess a couple hours after I went to sleep, he quick marched himself to attack Habba at 8 AM on a weekday, hahaha. You guys really are the worst.
Behold NA, this is what you have to look forward to if Hosps stay in power. They will ambush your caravans at 10 AM Tuesday, and if that time isn't good enough they will attack your fiefs at 6-8 AM on Thursday. I know you guys have Aderyn but now I feel like I picked a war with an EU faction. Shameful, really.
And seriously, enough with the "Were just 10 lonely guys all by our selves" crap. :rolleyes:Explain again how that statement is so inaccurate. Multiple people in hero_party have yet to contribute a single thing, we've received far less from outside sources than hospitaller has (remember the chevalier army that sieged samarra).
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I thought I was being pretty generous with 50 gold, while having 2 kills and 6 deaths.
Explain again how that statement is so inaccurate. Multiple people in hero_party have yet to contribute a single thing, we've received far less from outside sources than hospitaller has (remember the chevalier army that sieged samarra).
Are you refrencing paying me or for the fact FCC payed me 50g for a (less than) stellar performance.
Should add Hosp payed 150 for their recent battle. So far, tydeus is a cheap wad, black is a fuking donkey god and everyone else falls in between.
Also like how only 1 person commented on the other stuff in that screen shot.
While it is true that you probably won't be able to grind troops/gold at the rate they (hosp) do, hes got a point roster wise because maybe you have a small faction but there's still a shit ton of good to great players that will sign up for your side just because you're in good term with most people, you are respected and your skills in game are proven and known to anyone which makes the other good players more likely to want to fight alongside you and your buddies. Hell, i would sign up for you Tydeus just because i appreciate you fighting skills if i was not in a conflict of interest.
There's also all the hate toward the Hospitallers even though they are a bunch of nice people with the occasional douche bag like in any other clans out there and all that misplaced hate pushes people from most of the known NA clans to apply for you
You just signed your own NA death warrant. all the cool agi 2 handers are gonna kick you out of thier cool kids club. ;/You are an idiot.
Well that battle (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=628) sucked. Didn't even get a kill cause all the infantry were hogging it all.Indeed, so I ask again. What is this about attacking more than "10 lonely guys". It sure looks like that's the case. Stop spinning this as though hospitaller is fighting a war against an equally powerful clan. That concept completely disregards all factual evidence to the contrary. Nearly all of our battles so far have been fought with hero_party having far fewer mercs signed up. The only thing I have diplomatically requested from anyone, because I don't really give a shit who mercs against us, is simply to try to ensure roster sizes stay balanced.
Nobodies spinning it as a "fair" fight. I had people ask us to just let Chevaliers and Astralis fight hero_party. Wars aren't meant to be fair.
You have something that belongs to one of our members, you may remember attacking and taking over Samarra castle when it was already being controlled by a lord. He happened to be allied with us from previous vassal allegiances, you took his castle, we went to war.
It's not about being fair, you took a hostile, aggressive action, refused to give back the castle you took, and knew full well if you didn't, it would spark a war between us.
You chose this path.
Actually it was, I was sent down to attack a village in the desert, First one I was about to attack was claimed to another hosp, So I clicked to enter Ahmerrad.. when I got back from drinking with the gf I jumped on my phone and clicked on another village, hit attack and walked away figuring it would be some time early morning, The GF and I were in Niagra Falls on a small vacation so my times were.. well.. stupid, and sorry to those who are upset by it, We just got back now and the last thing I want to do is wake up early tomorrow for a battle as we still have the rest of the week off.. But that's beside the point, I can apologize for my times with a lack of thinking and general laziness but you do see these are more or less to annoy you while other plans walk in the shadows.. Go ahead and claim glorious wins if you happen to smash these small skirmishes but as long as war is called, we will never stop.Can you please, please start reading before making posts. You've done this several times now Huseby.
And seriously, enough with the "Were just 10 lonely guys all by our selves" crap. :rolleyes:
(For the record, I'm back home now with an actual computer so will judge times better in the future.. But you try navigating strat on an Iphone while half in the bag and a girl beside you horny and naked.. You'de rush it too.... Pun intended!?)
So far, Hospitaller-started fights -> 100% terrible times
hero_party-started fights -> 100% primetime
Seriously, Hospitaller, you're making your enemies look good with your complete disregard for battle timing. Please fix.
Hosp didn't pay me. You guys suck. Hero party at least PAYS.
Except lordark, lordark pays cause he's a cool army commander not some shitty half backed non payer.
Hosp didn't pay me. You guys suck. Hero party at least PAYS.
Except lordark, lordark pays cause he's a cool army commander not some shitty half backed non payer.
I was actually just saying you were lazy, not implying conspiracy. I admit that I don't have the timings for Unriya or Mawiti, since I wasn't in those, but your upcoming battles aren't really good timing either. 5:50 pm is like baaarely within the okay time frame for EST, and not in it for the rest of the country. I have updated my post to reflect more accurate percentages.
We can't win a fight during peak NA hours, so we are resorting to scheduling our battles and sieges in the morning for NA.
You got paid 110 gold from us in Lordarks battle, you went 0:0 this morning and got 10 gold (not sure who did that). Since you were asking for money as a merc, I would ahve given you 100 if someone didn't already give you 10 (since you woke up at a terrible time to fight in it). Besides those two, have you signed up for any of our other battles since this strat started? If so I can pay you there...
If someone wants to merc for us and isn't sure they will get paid, talk to me and I'll personally see to it that you are fairly compensated.
Wait people pay you to fight with that K:D anders? I'm down for paying people but they have to earn it unless its like 2 am then I'd pay you for showing up.You see, as a MERC if I'm signed, I SHOW. And I do the best i can. Performance: 7 Reliabilty:10(unless changed). Not as good as a 10/10 merc, but you don't get much better than that. Inaddtion, level 32, with the ability to fight with any weapon save for bows/throwing.
100% true. Thannk you for openly admitting it. You lost all the prime time fights with really bad k/d ratio even with superior gear and significantly more mercs. This has always been true, win by overwhelming numbers and expensive gear and still get worse than 1:1 k/d.
I don't know how many times I have to point it out, but hero_party attacked a castle that already had a lord. We informed them that he was being backed by our faction (he was our vassal in the previous faction, and when they disbanded he remained loyal to us and vice versa) and if they continued with the siege (and/or didn't retreat or return the castle) there would be a war caused because of it.
Honestly, Huseby, I feel like you're being willfully ignorant as some type of bad diplomatic gimmick. I appreciate your dedication to sticking to the party line, but I don't think you're fooling anybody.
We sent someone to talk to you guys (me, to Valdien and Peppo). They assured me that someone would get back to us that night. No one showed up. Less than an hour before the battle the next day, you demanded we retreat (essentially disbanding our largest force and arming your castle to the teeth) for a mere 10k gold or you'd declare war. Of course we refused, instead asking to continue work on a deal after the battle, still considering the fief 'yours' for negotiation purposes and avoiding having to deal with a transfer at a later date.
I came back to IRC after the battle, found you'd disconnected and made this thread (http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/knights-hospitaller-declares-war-on-hero_party/). It's painfully obvious to the most casual observer that you guys really just wanted to cut your teeth on something, and we were the first opportunity presented. We know it, you know it, everybody knows it. Just admit to it and give up the pretense of some kind of justified war. You're only doing more damage to your own credibility by refusing to acknowledge it.
Hosp didn't pay me. You guys suck. Hero party at least PAYS.
Except lordark, lordark pays cause he's a cool army commander not some shitty half backed non payer.
But can't we all agree peace would be a decent outcome? if everyone wants to war sure, let it rage on.. But if not, can't we have some individuals sit down and work things out?
People actually care about being paid miniscule amounts of money for strat battles? Don't know what your complaining about i fought for Hero_Party in the chevalier siege on their castle and I had the best score (not KD) of any player in the entire game, didn't get paid anything not that i care.
I'll personally pay you every time Anders, even if it's just showing up for the battle.
That being said, this doesn't have to be stressful for anyone, I'm sure there's common interests that we could hash out for Samarra castle. Otherwise we'll keep fighting.
Bring us something to the table that we can both agree on...or give us back the castle and the war's over.
It was our hostilities that caused it...and that is the only thing that should be painfully obvious. You feel like you're being oppressed, which is understandable when a 400 lb fat kid is sitting your chest. We gave the kid down the street, who we thought was our little brother, a bike, which he gave to you. When we found out, though you offered to buy the bike and we were haggling over a price, our bipolar disorder kicked in and we threatened to beat the shit out of you if you didn't give the bike back and let us pay you a nickel for the new bell, seat, and handlebars you'd been planning to put on it. Give it back, and we get off your chest.
Hospitaller view.. You attacked a protected entity, we asked for you to retreat and we can work on compensation for your troubles as it was pretected by our faction, You denied and war was raged as a last resort due to none compliance, We continued to this time to offer peace if you are willing to give back that entity and work things out.
Hero party view.. You went after a village in your territory that you thought was not under any banner/protection at the time, Last minute negotiations could not take place as no one got back to you and now it seems like we are going to send everything at you until we take your lands and blame you for everything.
SaleHope never gave you the castle. So your fixed analogy isn't even close to accurate. You attacked the castle as soon as Papal Guard disbanded, while the fief lord was still in control of the fief. He had no intentions of giving it away to you, he joined our faction and was going to hand it over to us (albeit during/after you had attacked the castle).
Anders true mercs do not pick sides. You suck at roleplaying.
Don't forget the Papal Guard, Malta, and Chevaliers. They are all official allies of Hospitaller and should be counted with their side.
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"If only they had known better, I would not be digging in the trash for my families food. May the Donkey always be with me."
Just give us the castle and this can all be over...lol
Like I said other clans know more about hosp relations than we know ourselves. So I thought they attacked the castle to see if that would start something, if it hadn't they get a free castle. Still I'm surprised they're willing to get wiped this early in strat. Drink to remembering hero party
For the record I picked the battle time so it would be FAIR FOR BOTH SIDES instead of Hosp who have no lives so they have nothing in the way of making battles at inconvenient times for others. Strat is meant to be fun and give xp not to be douche bags and control everything.
HE changed his name BTW.<20:29:05> "Blackzilla": is salehop Kalack?
<20:31:24> "Elindor": Yeah, Salehope is Kalack now.
A lowly, out of work courier comes and brings a parchment, long withered from burial under the trash heap. A parchment which should have been shown for all the world to see, to prevent the world from burning.
This lowly courier has done his duty and thus marches off to the next, low paying job. Barely making ends meet, he hath more than one mouth to feed, and he cannot make enough for himself, as war has ruined all he held dear. He mutters this, "If only they had known better, I would not be digging in the trash for my families food. May the Donkey always be with me."(click to show/hide)
EDIT: made a few corrections to the RP.
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Can't believe we got that close against lordly heraldic transitional armor on every melee guy and a crapload of destriers with heavy lances and bodkin arrows. I think hero_party was outspent by hospitaller 3 or 4 to 1 on that fight and all that expensive loomed gear was almost completely lost or degraded in one fight.
Can't believe we got that close against lordly heraldic transitional armor on every melee guy and a crapload of destriers with heavy lances and bodkin arrows. I think hero_party was outspent by hospitaller 3 or 4 to 1 on that fight and all that expensive loomed gear was almost completely lost or degraded in one fight.
It has already been said before but it's hard to describe it another way : awesome battle.
good fight
PS: Kesh, I never thought putting an axe through anyone's head could feel that good!
It has already been said before but it's hard to describe it another way : awesome battle.
good fight
PS: Kesh, I never thought putting an axe through anyone's head could feel that good!
What the hell happened to all the trolling and arguments? Such a good thread ruined by one measly well timed, nearly even battle. This is bullshit!
Wish we had more than 25 heavy lances, but I think we made them go a long way.
Wish we had more than 25 heavy lances, but I think we made them go a long way.