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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Smoothrich on October 09, 2012, 11:11:33 pm

Title: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Smoothrich on October 09, 2012, 11:11:33 pm
and they're still going to lose miserably.  god wills it.  enjoy your strat wipe, hosps
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: gunshhy on October 09, 2012, 11:31:47 pm
i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this community

you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Gmnotutoo on October 09, 2012, 11:39:17 pm
i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this community

you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature

You are obviously new to Strategus, no one is mature and civil in it.

He is also a good admin for the battle server. Very fair.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 09, 2012, 11:46:38 pm
i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this community

you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature

Their job is to ban/mute players who do not follow the rules. Outside of the ban/unbam section, they are just like everyone else. They don't get paid to set an example and be mature, they dont even get paid to do what their job is.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Spanish on October 10, 2012, 12:06:32 am
Yup yup our main power is in game and in the ban request part of the forum other than that we are all average except for smooth.

And let the wipe begin
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lordark on October 10, 2012, 12:07:25 am
Shiny eh? Ill take that as a compliment!  ANywhoo, if you want peace then come back to the table and we can always try again.


As for any 1 else wishing for free exp and some strat gold for good performances please sign up! 2 battles day.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Chestaclese on October 10, 2012, 12:14:01 am
i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this community

you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature

All you'll find here is contempt.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Devilize on October 10, 2012, 12:14:18 am
and they're still going to lose miserably.  god wills it.  enjoy your strat wipe, hosps

Guess that's the real difference. Say we do get wiped, not the first time, and just like before we wont care, we wont whine, we wont stop - till we're bored. It's all part of the game, If you guys manage to clean us out then more power to you - sounds like fun battles to be had.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Smoothrich on October 10, 2012, 01:25:30 am
i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this community

you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature

Haha, dude I get where you are coming from but this is the Diplomacy board for Strategus, where we post about war and stuff.  In the ban request forum I'm very fair and reasonable, I believe I even veto'd a ban request on a Chevalieres player recently because of little evidence.  Then had to ban a different one the next day because of good evidence.

Here we are supposed to brag, rage, taunt, intimidate, and mostly just explain just what the hell is going on in the Strat map so everyone can keep track of the drama.  Its part of what makes Strat fun:  the clash of personalities, of leadership styles, of alliances, of grudges, and all sorts of nonsensical bullshit that makes up the cRPG community.

Its not even like I have a personal problem with Hospitallers, but they are typically the most formidable NA clan in Strategus.  After the Northern Empire's collapse, where Hospitaller and Occitan fought to the death with minimal resources when their allies abandoned them, they became one hell of a war machine every Strat since.  I may have butchered countless Hospitallers from horseback with the Cavalieres at my side then, but we all enjoyed their fighting spirit.

And I'm honored they see my small, humble faction as their biggest threat.  Because they're right.

Hell, I've been pretty friendly with Chevalieres, I love Occitan, some Fallen people are chill bros, and Ecko was never really a bad guy.  But we can't we put aside our mutual like of each other for the sake of death and destruction?  This is war, after all. 

And this desert will be your graves.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tanken on October 10, 2012, 01:32:12 am
Shmoothlisp ladiesh and gentlemensh.


At least we're getting action in strat already!
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Kelugarn on October 10, 2012, 01:43:26 am
At the very least Hosp could have tried to plan the battles at better times.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tydeus on October 10, 2012, 02:26:38 am
i cannot believe how little tack the "Admins" have in this community

you guys are suppose to be setting an example and acting mature
You want people to "act" mature, we require administrators to "be" mature. Maybe one day you'll grow up enough to understand the difference between the two.

Also, it's tact.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: gunshhy on October 10, 2012, 02:42:36 am
Haha, dude I get where you are coming from but this is the Diplomacy board for Strategus, where we post about war and stuff.  In the ban request forum I'm very fair and reasonable, I believe I even veto'd a ban request on a Chevalieres player recently because of little evidence.  Then had to ban a different one the next day because of good evidence.

Here we are supposed to brag, rage, taunt, intimidate, and mostly just explain just what the hell is going on in the Strat map so everyone can keep track of the drama.  Its part of what makes Strat fun:  the clash of personalities, of leadership styles, of alliances, of grudges, and all sorts of nonsensical bullshit that makes up the cRPG community.

Its not even like I have a personal problem with Hospitallers, but they are typically the most formidable NA clan in Strategus.  After the Northern Empire's collapse, where Hospitaller and Occitan fought to the death with minimal resources when their allies abandoned them, they became one hell of a war machine every Strat since.  I may have butchered countless Hospitallers from horseback with the Cavalieres at my side then, but we all enjoyed their fighting spirit.

And I'm honored they see my small, humble faction as their biggest threat.  Because they're right.

Hell, I've been pretty friendly with Chevalieres, I love Occitan, some Fallen people are chill bros, and Ecko was never really a bad guy.  But we can't we put aside our mutual like of each other for the sake of death and destruction?  This is war, after all. 

And this desert will be your graves.

lol  fair enough
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lordark on October 10, 2012, 02:54:55 am
At the very least Hosp could have tried to plan the battles at better times.
Whats wrong with the times my dear peasant?



Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Havoco on October 10, 2012, 03:29:21 am
5000 shiny troops actually...

but anyways, glad to see u ragin as always smoothwish
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Muki on October 10, 2012, 03:43:39 am
Strategus shiny armies are fun :D
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: arowaine on October 10, 2012, 04:13:08 am
good luck to both side.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Kelugarn on October 10, 2012, 04:42:46 am
Whats wrong with the times my dear peasant?

Mid-day battles don't jive with my pig herding hours sadly.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lordark on October 10, 2012, 05:43:53 am
When your ready to step up and drop the plow for a shield and sword then contact me.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Aderyn on October 10, 2012, 07:41:37 am
i don't think the original plan here is to wipe you guys, but please, keep digging smooth.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: LordBerenger on October 10, 2012, 08:30:10 am
You really upset them now Smooth. Or so it seems.

Keep going.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: HardRice on October 10, 2012, 01:55:10 pm
Shiny Armies in week three.

Welp, strat battles were fun for a few weeks, I guess.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Blackzilla on October 10, 2012, 02:24:21 pm
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=628  Cmon guys 655 he could wait to later tonight?
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: mcdeath on October 10, 2012, 02:35:06 pm
Mid-day battles don't jive with my pig herding hours sadly.
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=628  Cmon guys 655 he could wait to later tonight?
They know that if they had the battles at fair times they would have to actually fight and have a hard time winning the war
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 10, 2012, 03:03:20 pm
How many hospbergs are calling in sick for work to play strat?
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 03:24:53 pm
Some pretty terrible battle times...

That being said, like Lordark said, we're still open to negotiations.  We'll take Samarra Castle back and then we can discuss a trade for it.  It seems Hero_Party has more to lose by war happening in their lands than we do, bring us something juicy and maybe we'll bite.  If we agree to terms we wouldn't renege on them, as it would be publicly announced, and  our glorious leaders value honor. Until then, war it is.

Good luck to both sides, and mainly the EU mercs who will have to fight for us in the day time  :evil:
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tydeus on October 10, 2012, 03:32:48 pm
Some pretty terrible battle times...

That being said, like Lordark said, we're still open to negotiations.  We'll take Samarra Castle back and then we can discuss a trade for it.  It seems Hero_Party has more to lose by war happening in their lands than we do, bring us something juicy and maybe we'll bite.  If we agree to terms we wouldn't renege on them, as it would be publicly announced, and  our glorious leaders value honor. Until then, war it is.

Good luck to both sides, and mainly the EU mercs who will have to fight for us in the day time  :evil:
What is this? Have you done something to intimidate us? Just because you marched into our territory and attacked a few fiefs with tiny armies changes nothing.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 03:47:14 pm
What is this? Have you done something to intimidate us? Just because you marched into our territory and attacked a few fiefs with tiny armies changes nothing.

You're right, you still attacked a sovereign castle, a hostile act which sparked this war.   You can choose to end it at any time.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: LordBerenger on October 10, 2012, 04:24:53 pm
You're right, you still attacked a sovereign castle, a hostile act which sparked this war.   You can choose to end it at any time.

And now Chevaliers and Malta left Hosps as your bitches vassals and Papal Guard disbanded into some weeaboo group or joined you or whatever.

GG
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 05:30:08 pm
And now Chevaliers and Malta left Hosps as your bitches vassals and Papal Guard disbanded into some weeaboo group or joined you or whatever.

GG

Chevaliers were never Hospitaller vassals.  The lord of Samarra castle was attacked when he was under our protection.  There's nothing else that needs to be said beyond that, besides propaganda people spout to gain support for their cause.  A sovereign castle was attacked, and taken over by hero_party.  Even if the lord wasn't our vassal, it would still be a hostile act.  And it so happens that it sparked a war.  That can happen when you siege a sovereign fief.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Rikthor on October 10, 2012, 05:55:05 pm
As usual Huseby, only you can manage to post the most moronic garbage. Chevliers, Malta, and Papal Guard were all your vassals. Hell, we had Valdian on TS saying though Chevaliers were your vassals, Hospitallers would not support them in their alliance with weeaboos against LLJK. I'm from a neutral party in your war with hero_party but even I can see through your poor attempts at spinning and propaganda.

Just to show how your own words confim the following statement is false:
Chevaliers were never Hospitaller vassals.

Interesting except:
Hospitallers support Chevaliers' claim to take over control of Samarra castle from the Papal Guard...

Hopefully that glitch or bug abuse is looked into as far as why there's 4000 population...

Maybe that was just a voice of support, but wait, orders?
And I was going to offer a KDR boosting party once we claimed it to knock down the population to regularity... Sigh...



Orders to concede the castle to hero_party: Confirmed

Hmm interesting
Just to let hero party know Papalgaurd was under hospitaller castle there claims go to who we say. Samara castle is now under the rule of Chevaliers  the owner of the castle will be giving controll of it to inglorius and we will fix the bug with the population in the seige.

Ahh and here we are at last
It's not blatantly aggressive.  There is still an owner of the castle.  He was our vassal as Papal Guard, and choose to join our faction and give us the castle.  We planned on giving it to the Chevaliers.  I told Inglorious we were trying to work out a diplomatic solution to the castle with hero_party.  As it stands, our vassal controlled the castle, and we intend to keep it that way until a deal is reached.  Seems pretty easy for all parties to comprehend except for forum posters.

In other words Huseby, you are god awful at propaganda. Learn from Lordark, Valdian, Devilize, etc. who are either funny or good at it. I would post an appropriate image/gif mocking you but since Canary-san is on a quest to ruin my fun, alas you will have to do without.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 05:59:36 pm
You're ignorant to the facts Rikthor.

Chevaliers were never our vassals, but worked closely with our faction.


The lord of Samarra castle was giving the castle over to the Chevaliers (which was facilitated through our faction).  Before Inglorious reached the castle, Tydeus attacked it.  At that point I asked Inglorious to give up the claim on Samarra castle until we could work out a deal with hero_party. 

Our negotiations fell through, so Chevaliers attacked the castle.

I don't see how this is difficult for anyone to comprehend.  Oh right, all the spam, shit posting, and propaganda can easily muddle the facts.  I'm pretty sure that's the whole point.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Rikthor on October 10, 2012, 06:05:24 pm
Chevaliers were never our vassals, but worked closely with our faction.

Actually, it's easy. Either a) you are lying which is the most likely choice or b) Valdian was lying when he told several of us Chevaliers were your vassals. So which is it then, killer? Cut your losses and be quiet, you are not doing yourself a favor on the propaganda front.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 06:17:26 pm
Actually, it's easy. Either a) you are lying which is the most likely choice or b) Valdian was lying when he told several of us Chevaliers were your vassals. So which is it then, killer? Cut your losses and be quiet, you are not doing yourself a favor on the propaganda front.

Valdian is, and has been, very much out of the loop on the inner workings of the Hospitaller faction. Communication between officers, diplomats and Valdian were basically non-existent for months up until this last week.  He was working deals without coming to me or Devilize first. 

Chevaliers were never our vassals, and as such, were never declared our vassals anywhere publicly.  It's possible they felt like our vassals or that Valdian did as well.  Typically you don't ever refer to a vassal, as a vassal, so I really don't know (but in my mind, they were never vassals, but an independent faction). 

Let's step back and play devil's advocate here as well.  Whether they were our vassals or not (and whether we're lying about it or not) what difference would that make in the way this played out?  If Chevaliers were our vassals, it wouldn't change the fact that Tydeus attacked a sovereign castle (again, wouldn't matter if it was our vassals or not, attacking a sovereign fief is usually going to piss some people off).  He pissed off the wrong people, wouldn't cancel the attack, and we were unable to come to diplomatic negotiations. 

We weren't the aggressors here, hero_party was.  All they have to do is give the castle back to the original lord (or what he wishes to do with it) and all this ends.

Logic doesn't appear to be your strong suit.

Also, Words, they mean things.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Kreczor on October 10, 2012, 06:25:02 pm
Valdian is, and has been, very much out of the loop on the inner workings of the Hospitaller faction. Communication between officers, diplomats and Valdian were basically non-existent for months up until this last week.  He was working deals without coming to me or Devilize first. 

Chevaliers were never our vassals, and as such, were never declared our vassals anywhere publicly.

Let's step back and play devil's advocate here as well.  Whether they were our vassals or not (and whether we're lying about it or not) what difference would that make in the way this played out?  If Chevaliers were our vassals, it wouldn't change the fact that Tydeus attacked a sovereign castle (again, wouldn't matter if it was our vassals or not, attacking a sovereign fief is usually going to piss some people off).  He pissed off the wrong people, wouldn't cancel the attack, and we were unable to come to diplomatic negotiations. 

We weren't the aggressors here, hero_party was.  All they have to do is give the castle back to the original lord (or what he wishes to do with it) and all this ends.

Logic doesn't appear to be your strong suit.

As much as I don't want to get involved, this is how the events transpired:
Papal Guard died.
Hospitaller cried.
Hospitaller gave Samarra Castle to Chevaliers.
Chevaliers didn't want it.
Chevaliers gave Samarra Castle to hero_party.
Hospitaller got mad.
Hospitaller attacked.


No harsh feelings here but come on, your casius belli is entirely flawed. You lost the castle because chevaliers gave it away to hero_party, therefore it is out of your reach. Example: I'm about to go poor so I give my last penny to my friend Larry. My friend Larry then decides that my penny would be better given to my friend Gary since he would benefit more from this. Now my dad gets really mad because Larry gave my penny to Gary. I have no more possession to said penny. I gave it away. It is not mine nor my fathers. It is not anyones except for Gary's.
Think of Gary.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 06:30:02 pm
Chevaliers DID want the castle ...but Tydeus had attacked it before they got there.  I told Inglorious to call off his claim on it because we were working to try and come to a diplomatic negotiation with hero_party. 

Chevaliers never gave it to the hero_party, they were never in control of the castle.  SaleHope (our vassal) never gave the castle to hero_party.  Hero_party attacked a sovereign castle, who the lord happened to be allied with our faction.  We never gave the castle to Chevaliers, because we were never in control of it.  Your events are completely flawed.

Tydeus appeared not to know this until after the battle happened.  He wouldnt' cancel the battle, and he has refused to give it back to the original lord.

There were communication breakdowns by all parties involved.  We should have made it clear that the lord was giving it to us, and we were giving to Chevaliers.  Chevaliers should have made it clear that they weren't just claiming the castle, but were being given the castle by the existing lord.  hero_party should have contacted the lord to work out a diplomatic solution, instead of attacking a sovereign fief.

That being said, communication problems be damned, at any time Hero_party could have given the castle back to the original lord, or done with it as he wished.  They have refused to do this, they are the aggressors.

That's all anyone needs to know.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Keshian on October 10, 2012, 06:39:40 pm
Chevaliers DID want the castle ...but Tydeus had attacked it before they got there.  I told Inglorious to call off his claim on it because we were working to try and come to a diplomatic negotiation with hero_party. 

So you basically told Inglorious to remove any cause for cassus belli against hero_party.  Dropping all claims to the fief.  There was no need to drop claims if you are still negotiating (both have claims), but when you drop a claim - you drop all rights to that fief.  Then you come back and change your mind.  You are a fickle diplomat, I know now not to trust you in any future negotiations and deal only with valdian.

Valdian is, and has been, very much out of the loop on the inner workings of the Hospitaller faction. Communication between officers, diplomats and Valdian were basically non-existent for months up until this last week.  He was working deals without coming to me or Devilize first. 


Really??  I remember repeated postings about how he was the main diplomat and you were only a sub-diplomat.  Trying to usurp his position and call him incompetent??  You should really watch your footing as Valdian seems a lot more trustworthy after the recent debacle.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 10, 2012, 06:44:12 pm
I see you saying that Chevaliers are not your vassel, and then everything you post after it makes it sound like they are your vassal. Example:

Quote
I told Inglorious to call off his claim on it because we were working to try and come to a diplomatic negotiation with hero_party. 


Oh yeah we just work closely together. We have this relationship where we tell them exactly what to do, and then they do that in return for land. But no, they are totally not our vassal.

The way I see it is that the papal guard split up, and the castle becomes up for grabs. Sure, that means that there is valid reasons for a fight over it, but it is also right in the middle of hero_party's land and should be respected as such.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 06:47:22 pm
Papal guard split, the lord still remains the lord of the castle.  He was backed by our faction.

There was a brief period after they split where we didn't know what would happen to the castle, so we thought Chevaliers being close by and our friends, should try to claim it.  Once we realized the lord was planning on giving it to us (and us to Chevaliers), Tydeus had already attacked the castle.  So yes, for a moment there was confusion over the castle, but the lord was always loyal to our faction, and he remained the lord after Papal Guard split.

Chevaliers "conceding" the castle, wasn't conceding to the hero_party, it was conceding their claim on it, back to the original owner (SaleHope), after we realized he was still on board with our faction.  Chevaliers original claim on the castle was the same as hero_parties, they both thought it was up for grabs.  When I was informed it was still in our vassal's control, I informed  Inglorious, and he took my advice to concede the castle back to the original lord.

Whether Chevaliers were "vassals" or not, does not change the fact that SaleHope was the lord, hero_party attacked and took the castle from him. That was the aggressive act, and not returning it was what caused this war.   
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 10, 2012, 06:49:46 pm
Chevaliers "conceding" the castle, wasn't conceding to the hero_party, it was conceding back to the original owner (SaleHope).  Inglorious was taking my advice to concede the castle, so they wouldn't be seen as fighting hero_party over it before we could try to reach a diplomatic negotiation.

And I was going to offer a KDR boosting party once we claimed it to knock down the population to regularity... Sigh...



Orders to concede the castle to hero_party: Confirmed

Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 06:53:47 pm


Well Chevaliers never controlled the castle...it was never theirs to concede to anyone but the lord.  And when asked Inglorious to concede the claim on the castle, it wasn't to recognize hero_party as the lords of it...because it still belonged to SaleHope at that time.  I asked him to concede their claim on it because it no longer needed to be attacked to be taken, the lord was willingly sticking with his allegiance to our faction.  It would have been transferred over peacefully.

Like I said, there were many communication breakdowns before it changed hands to hero_party.  At any point in time they could have canceled the attack, or afterwards given it back to the original lord.

Hero_party attacked a sovereign fief.  We were backing the lord of the fief.  That's the bottom line.  And I can't stress enough, give the castle back, and the war ends. 
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Shik on October 10, 2012, 07:13:00 pm
And I can't stress this enough: leave our territory, and the war ends.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 07:26:02 pm
So as it has been since Tydeus attacked, there is no common ground, and war will continue.  This was your doing from the beginning.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: LordBerenger on October 10, 2012, 07:27:35 pm
And I can't stress this enough: leave our territory, and the war ends.

Losing tincan armies to an albeit bigger army but an army with almost half the size of mercs showing up that the Hospitallers side had and at uncomfortable times to attack, as well as facing tincan gear.

GG
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Hobb on October 10, 2012, 07:45:29 pm
Wat is up with these shitty battle times? One thing I always liked from hospi is they rarely initiated bad battles times, but this is 3 or 4 already that a bad times

Is it hero party nightimes or just "click-attack hope your chracter gets there at a good time?
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 10, 2012, 07:48:39 pm
Wat is up with these shitty battle times? One thing I always liked from hospi is they rarely initiated bad battles times, but this is 3 or 4 already that a bad times

Is it hero party nightimes or just "click-attack hope your chracter gets there at a good time?

My guess would be they think that the 10 man faction won't have any guys on at these random times, but a 60 man faction will always have some players on who play at non-prime time hours.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: ednos on October 10, 2012, 07:49:31 pm
I'd like to point out that Hospitaller never came to the aid of the sovereign fief of New Ismirala--formerly known as Faraway Ismirala--which was owned by an independent faction. Why is there so much interest from Hospitaller in a fief that doesn't belong to one of their vassals, but an independent faction?

Losing tincan armies to an albeit bigger army but an army with almost half the size of mercs showing up that the Hospitallers side had and at uncomfortable times to attack, as well as facing tincan gear.

That was so close to English.

Are there any war correspondents in the area that can update us with screenshots and troop counts? Aside from the battle list, I can't get a good estimate of the actual size of this invasion. (I'm pretty sure the nighttime settings of the defenders and the attackers both are taken into consideration; someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 08:19:23 pm
My guess would be they think that the 10 man faction won't have any guys on at these random times, but a 60 man faction will always have some players on who play at non-prime time hours.

My guess is that bad battlefield commanders clicked on a fief and did "attack".  As for the two open field battles, both of those guys don't work during the day (AFAIK) so that's prob why they attacked when they did.

Either way, would be nice to do the battles in the evening...

The only nighttime setting that matters is the defenders...it will push the battle back to after night time. I suppose if you attacked during your own night time it would push it back as well...but that would be pretty foolish if you attacked during your own night time setting.

Also, SaleHope was part of Papal Guard, who were a vassal of the Hospitaller.  When they broke up, SaleHope kept his allegiances to the the Hospitaller faction. 

When you attack a sovereign fief, you risk upsetting any friends they have.   Thems the breaks.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Kreczor on October 10, 2012, 08:32:02 pm
Chevaliers DID want the castle ...but Tydeus had attacked it before they got there.  I told Inglorious to call off his claim on it because we were working to try and come to a diplomatic negotiation with hero_party. 

Chevaliers never gave it to the hero_party, they were never in control of the castle.  SaleHope (our vassal) never gave the castle to hero_party.  Hero_party attacked a sovereign castle, who the lord happened to be allied with our faction.  We never gave the castle to Chevaliers, because we were never in control of it.  Your events are completely flawed.

Tydeus appeared not to know this until after the battle happened.  He wouldnt' cancel the battle, and he has refused to give it back to the original lord.

There were communication breakdowns by all parties involved.  We should have made it clear that the lord was giving it to us, and we were giving to Chevaliers.  Chevaliers should have made it clear that they weren't just claiming the castle, but were being given the castle by the existing lord.  hero_party should have contacted the lord to work out a diplomatic solution, instead of attacking a sovereign fief.

That being said, communication problems be damned, at any time Hero_party could have given the castle back to the original lord, or done with it as he wished.  They have refused to do this, they are the aggressors.

That's all anyone needs to know.
Ah, thanks for clearing this up for me. I've been getting my information from a vast amount of sources so it's tough to be able to know whose telling the truth and who is merely trying to be in the right.

That was so close to English.
It's not his native tongue so I kind of hope you're being sarcastic.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 10, 2012, 08:43:13 pm
The part that is a little unsettling to me is the following. Papal Guard had more then one member in it originally. I know they were small, but they had one or two other members. Because a fief can only have one owner, they had to choose one, who was salehope. Each one of the members should have an equal share of ownership though. If the other two members had joined hero_party/chaos/remnant/etc, and wanted to give the fief to them, would that be ok with hospitaller?

To take it further, what if salehope left to join another clan? would you say that the fief now belongs to that clan even though they were your vassals?
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 08:58:34 pm
A lord of a fief, is the lord of the fief.  It's not a community thing.  If a faction wants to change lords of a fief, and the lord doesn't agree, they can hold out and become an independent rogue.

After PapalGuard disbanded, if SaleHope choose to break allegiance with our faction, we would have accepted that.   It was never the Hospitaller's castle to begin with.  But being that he choose to stick with us, we would back him 100% to keep control of the castle (which would ultimately be granted to Chevaliers on our behalf). 
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tydeus on October 10, 2012, 09:06:31 pm
Wat is up with these shitty battle times? One thing I always liked from hospi is they rarely initiated bad battles times, but this is 3 or 4 already that a bad times

Is it hero party nightimes or just "click-attack hope your chracter gets there at a good time?
It's a hospitaller strategy, it has nothing to do with night time.

Are there any war correspondents in the area that can update us with screenshots and troop counts? Aside from the battle list, I can't get a good estimate of the actual size of this invasion. (I'm pretty sure the nighttime settings of the defenders and the attackers both are taken into consideration; someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)
So far it's about 1200-1500 troops that are inconsistently geared. Most have a bit of transitional armor, heraldic mail and leather armor with mid tier weapons.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 10, 2012, 09:16:37 pm
As much as I would say otherwise, HOSP has been going 1:1 almost every battle. For their gear this sucks, but for the overall war, it's what you want.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: LordBerenger on October 10, 2012, 09:18:53 pm
I'd like to point out that Hospitaller never came to the aid of the sovereign fief of New Ismirala--formerly known as Faraway Ismirala--which was owned by an independent faction. Why is there so much interest from Hospitaller in a fief that doesn't belong to one of their vassals, but an independent faction?

That was so close to English.

Are there any war correspondents in the area that can update us with screenshots and troop counts? Aside from the battle list, I can't get a good estimate of the actual size of this invasion. (I'm pretty sure the nighttime settings of the defenders and the attackers both are taken into consideration; someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Cut me some slack, i had a rough day and i'm tired!

And they probably didn't help you out because they were already having discussions about having KUTT join the alliance.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tydeus on October 10, 2012, 09:27:11 pm
As much as I would say otherwise, HOSP has been going 1:1 almost every battle. For their gear this sucks, but for the overall war, it's what you want.
They've had less than 1:1, especially when you look at the fact that in the village battle where they were only fighting 300 population, they won the battle with zero troops to spare.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 09:31:24 pm
They've had less than 1:1, especially when you look at the fact that in the village battle where they were only fighting 300 population, they won the battle with zero troops to spare.

Sounds like you're inflicting some real damage to us.  Oh wait, these are your fiefs we're attacking, and expendable armies we've sent.  If you like wars in your territory, then continue as you've been doing (nothing) on the diplomatic front.

When you want peace brought to your lands, hand over the castle back to the rightful lord, and we'll discuss negotiating it over to you peacefully. 
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 10, 2012, 09:52:03 pm
They've had less than 1:1, especially when you look at the fact that in the village battle where they were only fighting 300 population, they won the battle with zero troops to spare.

Talking about ratios.
First battle http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=601 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=601)
They lost 248 you lost 300. Gear wise: you guys did WAY better. Ticket wise: You guys lost out.

Battle 2:http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=608 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=608)
They lost 298 you lost 263 Not 1:1 but pretty close. You guys beat their gear whoring so You did better than numbers say, but ticket wise you guys barely won.

battle 3: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=605 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=605)
279 dead to their 289(+11). Another nearly 1:1 ticket loss.

But if you guys had shiney armies, I think those numbers WOULD be different. But in terms of tickets, you are NOT winning.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Rikthor on October 10, 2012, 09:53:54 pm
Really? 8AM EST on a Thursday for a fief? Stop being weirdos and have the battles at times where normal people can join? How else can I be accepted for either side and leechget experience?
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: LordBerenger on October 10, 2012, 09:57:07 pm
Really? 8AM EST on a Thursday for a fief? Stop being weirdos and have the battles at times where normal people can join? How else can I be accepted for either side and leechget experience?

Not even i can join that battle lol. Damn too early. Put it like at earliest 4 PM EST or whatever. And that's earliest.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 10:03:05 pm
Really? 8AM EST on a Thursday for a fief? Stop being weirdos and have the battles at times where normal people can join? How else can I be accepted for either side and leechget experience?


I don't think 99% of our faction members want to fight battles (or can make battles) at these weird hours....I think it's just bad/lazy battle commanders clicking on a fief from 50,000 meters and clicking "attack fief"
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 10, 2012, 10:07:49 pm
Really? 8AM EST on a Thursday for a fief? Stop being weirdos and have the battles at times where normal people can join? How else can I be accepted for either side and leechget experience?
As much as Lordark used to own Huey, he at least attacks at perfect times for NA players.

Well lets see If Lordark pays mercs, since he hired me this time. Should be interesting fighting on the OTHER side in this war. 3 fights as hero party(who pays 1g rather than k:d pay or something. At least it's pay, but :( ) now once as a Hosp fighter.

You fools need pay mercs cause it's no fun being a freebie merc.

Currently my primary merc(NA side) Picks:
Chaos(best pay ever)
FCC(Pay good)
Kutt(pay decent) and LLJK(pay decent) and Shogunate (pay Decent)
Hero Party(They pay)

Non picks:
Coalition
Remnant

EU Side:
Nords cause they pay real good
The goat lord cause he pays and is just awesome.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: LordBerenger on October 10, 2012, 10:11:22 pm
As much as Lordark used to own Huey, he at least attacks at perfect times for NA players.

Well lets see If Lordark pays mercs, since he hired me this time. Should be interesting fighting on the OTHER side in this war. 3 fights as hero party(who pays 1g rather than k:d pay or something. At least it's pay, but :( ) now once as a Hosp fighter.

You fools need pay mercs cause it's no fun being a freebie merc.

Currently my primary merc(NA side) Picks:
Chaos(best pay ever)
FCC(Pay good)
Kutt(pay decent) and LLJK(pay decent) and Shogunate (pay Decent)
Hero Party(They pay)

Non picks:
Coalition
Remnant

EU Side:
Nords cause they pay real good
The goat lord cause he pays and is just awesome.

I wish i could merc for gold but i completely suck :(
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 10, 2012, 10:12:51 pm
A lord of a fief, is the lord of the fief.  It's not a community thing.  If a faction wants to change lords of a fief, and the lord doesn't agree, they can hold out and become an independent rogue.

After PapalGuard disbanded, if SaleHope choose to break allegiance with our faction, we would have accepted that.   It was never the Hospitaller's castle to begin with.  But being that he choose to stick with us, we would back him 100% to keep control of the castle (which would ultimately be granted to Chevaliers on our behalf).

so lets say someone who owns a castle directly in the middle of your land leaves and joins remnant, you would have no problwm witb us keeping said castle?
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tanken on October 10, 2012, 10:14:23 pm
Oh. My. God.


Why is this mini-skirmish getting way more drama and attention than it deserves? He said she said elementary school bullshit. Put on your big boy pants everyone, Strategus is about having FUN. You're not going to expire over a small little matter, and more importantly, who the fuck cares? All you guys are doing is just giving EU players more to laugh at and prove their point further that the vast majority of us are just drama-seeking whores.


At least we are having battles and have something to look forward to this strat. Stop with the stupid 5 pages of retarded shit, you're killing my balls.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 10, 2012, 10:14:52 pm
so lets say someone who owns a castle directly in the middle of your land leaves and joins remnant, you would have no problwm witb us keeping said castle?

Uh...no we'd fight over it obviously. 

Quote from: Me
If a faction wants to change lords of a fief, and the lord doesn't agree, they can hold out and become an independent rogue.

"they can hold out" aka hold out against the incoming waves of armies that are coming to take back the fief for the faction.  It's like single player warband...if your faction wants the fief, and you say "no", you still are the lord of the fief, but probably not for very long unless you have some good contingency plans.

Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 10, 2012, 11:37:31 pm
Why is this mini-skirmish getting way more drama and attention than it deserves? He said she said elementary school bullshit. Put on your big boy pants everyone, Strategus is about having FUN. You're not going to expire over a small little matter, and more importantly, who the fuck cares? All you guys are doing is just giving EU players more to laugh at and prove their point further that the vast majority of us are just drama-seeking whores.


At least we are having battles and have something to look forward to this strat. Stop with the stupid 5 pages of retarded shit, you're killing my balls.

Then why is our entire clan circle-jerking in the snow? It's kinda boring up here in the north, man, not gonna lie.

Also, Tanken, you have very nice balls.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Pentecost on October 10, 2012, 11:39:37 pm
Talking about ratios.
First battle http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=601 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=601)
They lost 248 you lost 300. Gear wise: you guys did WAY better. Ticket wise: You guys lost out.

Battle 2:http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=608 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=608)
They lost 298 you lost 263 Not 1:1 but pretty close. You guys beat their gear whoring so You did better than numbers say, but ticket wise you guys barely won.

battle 3: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=605 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=605)
279 dead to their 289(+11). Another nearly 1:1 ticket loss.

But if you guys had shiney armies, I think those numbers WOULD be different. But in terms of tickets, you are NOT winning.

I don't see why you're only looking at things in terms of tickets, when that doesn't say very much about how things actually played out. You should know considering you were also there for all three battles.

In the first battle, hero_party had like 100 low quality weapons in total for 300 troops thanks to intelligent purchasing decisions on the part of the fief owner. It ended up being some kind of Stalingrad affair where we had to dodge swarms of sniping archers on rooftops and crossbow fire to get actually usable weapons off of the people we killed and then retrieve said weapons from our own corpses after we repoped.  The second battle saw the hero_party side being noticeably outnumbered for the entire battle despite the ticket advantage because 10 people on the roster decided not to show up while all of the Hospitallers' side did. Considering that their side also had absolute superiority in terms of archers and cavalry compared to ours, it's nothing short of a miracle that we were able to both win and pull out a better than 1:1 ratio for that battle. The third battle again had the hero_party being noticeably outnumbered for the entire battle because 11 people on the roster never turned up and again pitted us against a well-equipped force that had an absolute superiority in terms of archers and cavalry. The fact that all of the fighting centered around possession of a big hill in the middle of the map, which forced us to charge uphill into volleys of arrows again and again didn't help matters either. Even with that, we were still able to pull out a solid win and do slightly better than 1:1 in the process.

Of course, what's arguably more important than the specifics of each individual battle is the fact that a faction with 10 people has so far managed to stalemate an full-on invasion by Hospitaller. That in itself is quite a feat, even before you look at things like tickets, gear, or rosters.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: [ptx] on October 10, 2012, 11:42:02 pm
Sounds like you're inflicting some real damage to us.  Oh wait, these are your fiefs we're attacking, and expendable armies we've sent.  If you like wars in your territory, then continue as you've been doing (nothing) on the diplomatic front.

When you want peace brought to your lands, hand over the castle back to the rightful lord, and we'll discuss negotiating it over to you peacefully.
TL;DR:
Surrender or we bleed on ye!

Sounds scary alright :lol:
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Mayzer on October 10, 2012, 11:48:38 pm
I shot so many horses.

Also, if you give a horse an arrow enema I think it should at least rear.
Look into that chadz.

(Also what a great pun)
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 10, 2012, 11:58:45 pm
I don't see why you're only looking at things in terms of tickets, when that doesn't say very much about how things actually played out. You should know considering you were also there for all three battles.

In the first battle, hero_party had like 100 low quality weapons in total for 300 troops thanks to intelligent purchasing decisions on the part of the fief owner. It ended up being some kind of Stalingrad affair where we had to dodge swarms of sniping archers on rooftops and crossbow fire to get actually usable weapons off of the people we killed and then retrieve said weapons from our own corpses after we repoped.  The second battle saw the hero_party side being noticeably outnumbered for the entire battle despite the ticket advantage because 10 people on the roster decided not to show up while all of the Hospitallers' side did. Considering that their side also had absolute superiority in terms of archers and cavalry compared to ours, it's nothing short of a miracle that we were able to both win and pull out a better than 1:1 ratio for that battle. The third battle again had the hero_party being noticeably outnumbered for the entire battle because 11 people on the roster never turned up and again pitted us against a well-equipped force that had an absolute superiority in terms of archers and cavalry. The fact that all of the fighting centered around possession of a big hill in the middle of the map, which forced us to charge uphill into volleys of arrows again and again didn't help matters either. Even with that, we were still able to pull out a solid win and do slightly better than 1:1 in the process.

Of course, what's arguably more important than the specifics of each individual battle is the fact that a faction with 10 people has so far managed to stalemate an full-on invasion by Hospitaller. That in itself is quite a feat, even before you look at things like tickets, gear, or rosters.

Never said anything about Hero's prowess. I did say that if HP had REAL gear, those battles would be different. And Yes I forgot about the number advantage, but it wasn't all THAT large of a number advantage for 2 battles.(1 and 5) while one battle was a disadvantage of 7(but fog reduced the enemies ability to fight that map).

But in strat, tickets matter. So if you just don't have enough tickets you lose, plain and simple. I'm a merc, so I go for whoever pays me, but in terms of long term war, HP is losing and Hosp is winning. In terms of battles, HP beats Hosp every time.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 11, 2012, 12:10:15 am
Never said anything about Hero's prowess. I did say that if HP had REAL gear, those battles would be different. And Yes I forgot about the number advantage, but it wasn't all THAT large of a number advantage for 2 battles.(1 and 5) while one battle was a disadvantage of 7(but fog reduced the enemies ability to fight that map).

But in strat, tickets matter. So if you just don't have enough tickets you lose, plain and simple. I'm a merc, so I go for whoever pays me, but in terms of long term war, HP is losing and Hosp is winning. In terms of battles, HP beats Hosp every time.

Well, I can't say anyone is surprised. We all knew it would work out like this from the get-go.

Quote from: Tydeus
It's quite easy to see who will win a war between Hospitaller and hero_party, even if we could out-gear you and maintain a 2:1 ratio of kills to deaths, our best case scenario, which is highly unlikely, you'd still win through attrition if nothing else.
http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/knights-hospitaller-declares-war-on-hero_party/msg622363/#msg622363
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: LordBerenger on October 11, 2012, 12:10:54 am
Then why is our entire clan circle-jerking in the snow? It's kinda boring up here in the north, man, not gonna lie.

Also, Tanken, you have very nice balls.


Snow is boring and cool. Desert is warm and pleasant and we got palm trees here and hot barely clothed babes and infidels invading it.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Smoothrich on October 11, 2012, 12:34:02 am
lmao, really, an 8 am thursday battle?  fuck off hosps.

It wasn't even a  "click attack and go afk" either.  i saw aztek's army hide in ahmerrad at about 3-4 AM, and figured he was gonna wait around here until primetime then attack something.  I was going to let him stay there too, because it was too late to bother and wanted an evening fight.

Then I guess a couple hours after I went to sleep, he quick marched himself to attack Habba at 8 AM on a weekday, hahaha.  You guys really are the worst. 

Behold NA, this is what you have to look forward to if Hosps stay in power.  They will ambush your caravans at 10 AM Tuesday, and if that time isn't good enough they will attack your fiefs at 6-8 AM on Thursday.  I know you guys have Aderyn but now I feel like I picked a war with an EU faction.  Shameful, really.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tydeus on October 11, 2012, 01:37:00 am
Talking about ratios.
First battle http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=601 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=601)
They lost 248 you lost 300. Gear wise: you guys did WAY better. Ticket wise: You guys lost out.

Battle 2:http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=608 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=608)
They lost 298 you lost 263 Not 1:1 but pretty close. You guys beat their gear whoring so You did better than numbers say, but ticket wise you guys barely won.

battle 3: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=605 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=605)
279 dead to their 289(+11). Another nearly 1:1 ticket loss.

But if you guys had shiney armies, I think those numbers WOULD be different. But in terms of tickets, you are NOT winning.
K:D only matters when you're losing troops and equipment, not population. Tally up troops lost then you see the real loses. We've lost about 530 troops total in this war, they've lost over 950 total.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Blackzilla on October 11, 2012, 02:07:09 am
Troops are easy to come by now a days!! Also, I was really excited for this war, I mean 10 guys vs  like what? 100 guys? I was ready to make a stand, to get xp and play strat, but no, I get to see battles in the morning at 10 am CST 12 CST and 655 CST. You wonder why people hate you.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 11, 2012, 02:19:06 am
K:D only matters when you're losing troops and equipment, not population. Tally up troops lost then you see the real loses. We've lost about 530 troops total in this war, they've lost over 950 total.

Heh, I don't really care who wins, just who pays me better. But yea, Hosp is going to have to grind you guys down. Surprised they haven't started doing the Raid Fief feature to screw you guys over.

Expect it soon enough.

EDIT:
Anytime they capture a village, they get 100 pop instantly negating 100 losses(as they come with gear, albeit shit). So they actually do GAIN something upon capture.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Blackzilla on October 11, 2012, 02:20:38 am
Heh, I don't really care who wins, just who pays me better. But yea, Hosp is going to have to grind you guys down. Surprised they haven't started doing the Raid Fief feature to screw you guys over.

Expect it soon enough.
Hey Anders I payed you for showing up to my battle and preforming well! WAs it enough? Also, we have planned for there raids.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 11, 2012, 02:29:24 am
Hey Anders I payed you for showing up to my battle and preforming well! WAs it enough? Also, we have planned for there raids.

OMG you just made yourself my #1 mercing buddy with that. Best pay evar...wait Nords did better, but they bugged their pay so I only got the crpg gold and not the strat gold.

MY mercing History Plus Pay:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Aztek on October 11, 2012, 04:28:37 am
lmao, really, an 8 am thursday battle?  fuck off hosps.

It wasn't even a  "click attack and go afk" either.  i saw aztek's army hide in ahmerrad at about 3-4 AM, and figured he was gonna wait around here until primetime then attack something.  I was going to let him stay there too, because it was too late to bother and wanted an evening fight.

Then I guess a couple hours after I went to sleep, he quick marched himself to attack Habba at 8 AM on a weekday, hahaha.  You guys really are the worst. 

Behold NA, this is what you have to look forward to if Hosps stay in power.  They will ambush your caravans at 10 AM Tuesday, and if that time isn't good enough they will attack your fiefs at 6-8 AM on Thursday.  I know you guys have Aderyn but now I feel like I picked a war with an EU faction.  Shameful, really.

Actually it was, I was sent down to attack a village in the desert, First one I was about to attack was claimed to another hosp, So I clicked to enter Ahmerrad.. when I got back from drinking with the gf I jumped on my phone and clicked on another village, hit attack and walked away figuring it would be some time early morning, The GF and I were in Niagra Falls on a small vacation so my times were.. well.. stupid, and sorry to those who are upset by it, We just got back now and the last thing I want to do is wake up early tomorrow for a battle as we still have the rest of the week off.. But that's beside the point, I can apologize for my times with a lack of thinking and general laziness but you do see these are more or less to annoy you while other plans walk in the shadows.. Go ahead and claim glorious wins if you happen to smash these small skirmishes but as long as war is called, we will never stop.

And seriously, enough with the "Were just 10 lonely guys all by our selves" crap.  :rolleyes:

(For the record, I'm back home now with an actual computer so will judge times better in the future.. But you try navigating strat on an Iphone while half in the bag and a girl beside you horny and naked.. You'de rush it too.... Pun intended!?)
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Blackzilla on October 11, 2012, 05:02:13 am
Well, I use strat on my iphone all the time! Difficult it is, but I still get the job done! No excuses, and besides, everyone knows Crpg is better than sex. Just QMRS and attack late that day. Problem? I think not! :wink:
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tydeus on October 11, 2012, 05:16:37 am
And seriously, enough with the "Were just 10 lonely guys all by our selves" crap.  :rolleyes:
Explain again how that statement is so inaccurate. Multiple people in hero_party have yet to contribute a single thing, we've received far less from outside sources than hospitaller has (remember the chevalier army that sieged samarra).
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lordark on October 11, 2012, 05:20:02 am
Crying about strat is useless because it always fall on deaf ears.  Well played battles before, let us continue the fights at prime time and keep on trucking.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: PhantomZero on October 11, 2012, 05:34:07 am
MY mercing History Plus Pay:
(click to show/hide)

I thought I was being pretty generous with 50 gold, while having 2 kills and 6 deaths.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 11, 2012, 06:22:22 am
I thought I was being pretty generous with 50 gold, while having 2 kills and 6 deaths.

Are you refrencing paying me  or for the fact FCC payed me 50g for a (less than) stellar performance.

Should add Hosp payed 150 for their recent battle. So far, tydeus is a cheap wad, black is a fuking donkey god and everyone else falls in between.

Also like how only 1 person commented on the other stuff in that screen shot.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: SHinOCk on October 11, 2012, 07:19:02 am
Explain again how that statement is so inaccurate. Multiple people in hero_party have yet to contribute a single thing, we've received far less from outside sources than hospitaller has (remember the chevalier army that sieged samarra).



While it is true that you probably won't be able to grind troops/gold at the rate they (hosp) do, hes got a point roster wise because maybe you have a small faction but there's still a shit ton of good to great players that will sign up for your side just because you're in good term with most people, you are respected and your skills in game are proven and known to anyone which makes the other good players more likely to want to fight alongside you and your buddies. Hell, i would sign up for you Tydeus just because i appreciate you fighting skills if i was not in a conflict of interest.

There's also all the hate toward the Hospitallers even though they are a bunch of nice people with the occasional douche bag like in any other clans out there and all that misplaced hate pushes people from most of the known NA clans to apply for you
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Aztek on October 11, 2012, 07:42:43 am
*Looks at the post above*

I Fucking Love this guy!  :D

Shin we need to go for some drinks one day, Quebec is only a 20 minute drive from here! lol
 
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: LordBerenger on October 11, 2012, 07:56:11 am
Are you refrencing paying me  or for the fact FCC payed me 50g for a (less than) stellar performance.

Should add Hosp payed 150 for their recent battle. So far, tydeus is a cheap wad, black is a fuking donkey god and everyone else falls in between.

Also like how only 1 person commented on the other stuff in that screen shot.

You mean the fact that you got an Ecchi link in the top right? You f-f-f-f-f-f-f-freeeeaaak!

I should actually even though i suck, start demanding 1-10 gold for merc'ing.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lordark on October 11, 2012, 09:44:01 am


While it is true that you probably won't be able to grind troops/gold at the rate they (hosp) do, hes got a point roster wise because maybe you have a small faction but there's still a shit ton of good to great players that will sign up for your side just because you're in good term with most people, you are respected and your skills in game are proven and known to anyone which makes the other good players more likely to want to fight alongside you and your buddies. Hell, i would sign up for you Tydeus just because i appreciate you fighting skills if i was not in a conflict of interest.

There's also all the hate toward the Hospitallers even though they are a bunch of nice people with the occasional douche bag like in any other clans out there and all that misplaced hate pushes people from most of the known NA clans to apply for you

You just signed your own NA death warrant. all the cool agi 2 handers are gonna kick you out of thier cool kids club. ;/
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tydeus on October 11, 2012, 01:29:47 pm
You just signed your own NA death warrant. all the cool agi 2 handers are gonna kick you out of thier cool kids club. ;/
You are an idiot.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 11, 2012, 02:05:30 pm
Well that battle (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=628) sucked. Didn't even get a kill cause all the infantry were hogging it all.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tydeus on October 11, 2012, 02:21:15 pm
Well that battle (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=628) sucked. Didn't even get a kill cause all the infantry were hogging it all.
Indeed, so I ask again. What is this about attacking more than "10 lonely guys". It sure looks like that's the case. Stop spinning this as though hospitaller is fighting a war against an equally powerful clan. That concept completely disregards all factual evidence to the contrary. Nearly all of our battles so far have been fought with hero_party having far fewer mercs signed up. The only thing I have diplomatically requested from anyone, because I don't really give a shit who mercs against us, is simply to try to ensure roster sizes stay balanced.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: EyeBeat on October 11, 2012, 02:23:04 pm
I signed up on hosp side not knowing how uneven it was just to get a battle in.

I thought it was going to be smaller than that. 

Time for bed.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Shik on October 11, 2012, 02:32:38 pm
If the occasional FCC merc counts towards our faction strength, then you should count half of EU as hospitaller's allies, considering how many Fallen, GK, Templars, and other anti-UIF coalition members are signing up for them on their asinine early morning battles.
Heck, considering that hosp trade caravans go to EU lands all the time, I'd say the EU are a heck more of an ally towards hosp than anyone on NA is for us, since they are actually receiving tangible material benefit from their trade, not just mercenaries.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Smoothrich on October 11, 2012, 02:34:15 pm
the political situation of this war:  half of the NA map, half of the EU map, vs a 10 man faction.  I couldn't fix odds that good if I was in the mafia.  Speaking of which, now accepting bets against hero_party losing.  50,000 stones on market.  Buy them and we lose, I'll pay you back double!
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Osiris on October 11, 2012, 02:42:09 pm
hardly some conspiricy... he just came in Ts and said hey anyone wanna fight in a battle?. if you did the same and first im sure people would fight for you ^^
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 11, 2012, 03:35:41 pm
Nobodies spinning it as a "fair" fight.  I had people ask us to just let Chevaliers and Astralis fight hero_party.  Wars aren't meant to be fair.

You have something that belongs to one of our members, you may remember attacking and taking over Samarra castle when it was already being controlled by a lord.   He happened to be allied with us from previous vassal allegiances, you took his castle, we went to war.

It's not about being fair, you took a hostile, aggressive action, refused to give back the castle you took, and knew full well if you didn't, it would spark a war between us.

You chose this path.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: LordBerenger on October 11, 2012, 04:26:01 pm
Inb4 Smooth announced Jihad on Habba and all you Hospitaller infidels are basically fucked.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tydeus on October 11, 2012, 04:45:59 pm
Nobodies spinning it as a "fair" fight.  I had people ask us to just let Chevaliers and Astralis fight hero_party.  Wars aren't meant to be fair.

You have something that belongs to one of our members, you may remember attacking and taking over Samarra castle when it was already being controlled by a lord.   He happened to be allied with us from previous vassal allegiances, you took his castle, we went to war.

It's not about being fair, you took a hostile, aggressive action, refused to give back the castle you took, and knew full well if you didn't, it would spark a war between us.

You chose this path.
Actually it was, I was sent down to attack a village in the desert, First one I was about to attack was claimed to another hosp, So I clicked to enter Ahmerrad.. when I got back from drinking with the gf I jumped on my phone and clicked on another village, hit attack and walked away figuring it would be some time early morning, The GF and I were in Niagra Falls on a small vacation so my times were.. well.. stupid, and sorry to those who are upset by it, We just got back now and the last thing I want to do is wake up early tomorrow for a battle as we still have the rest of the week off.. But that's beside the point, I can apologize for my times with a lack of thinking and general laziness but you do see these are more or less to annoy you while other plans walk in the shadows.. Go ahead and claim glorious wins if you happen to smash these small skirmishes but as long as war is called, we will never stop.

And seriously, enough with the "Were just 10 lonely guys all by our selves" crap.  :rolleyes:

(For the record, I'm back home now with an actual computer so will judge times better in the future.. But you try navigating strat on an Iphone while half in the bag and a girl beside you horny and naked.. You'de rush it too.... Pun intended!?)
Can you please, please start reading before making posts. You've done this several times now Huseby.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Aztek on October 11, 2012, 05:32:15 pm
Not sure where your going with that post Tydeus!? Your quoting something that has nothing to do with Huseby's post.. You were outnumbered due to lack of asking for help at a silly time (My fault 100% and yes I know it was stupid) We simply asked around as the roster was about 8 people 15 minutes before battle, Like others have posted, I'm sure if you would have asked around more would have come to your assistance. We, and everyone else know or assume you have a lot of support with other clans and thus my comment about going off like poor innocent men that have no backing or hope as you have been picked on by the "evil" Hospitaller, which is not the case as you were aggressive with us and then went into negotiations with a suborn attitude that resulted in war.. Lets not forget all the "Your blood will flow in the desert" talk as well.. I think every 4th post by our diplomats ends in offering the end of this war by simply giving back what was claimed by us and then sort something out including your compensation for the alleged "misunderstanding", The ball has always been in your court, You just choose to sit in the corner death hugging the ball with deaf ears and insults.

But seriously, If you wan't to end the war, send someone over and I'm sure we can work it out.. if not.. well... continue with what your doing and we'll do the same, We know you have some quality/great players, including your self so we have respect for fighting you lads.

And one last time, sorry for that battle time.. it obviously worked out ok for us, but meant I had to set the alarm WAY to early for a day I have off and meant I screwed others that are more engaged in this war out of the opportunity, and for that I do feel like a douche.   
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Braeden on October 11, 2012, 06:20:09 pm
So far, Hospitaller-started fights -> 70% terrible times
hero_party-started fights -> 33% terrible times

Seriously, Hospitaller, you're making your enemies look good with your complete disregard for battle timing.  Please fix.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Gristle on October 11, 2012, 06:23:09 pm
Who needs NA battle times when you have EU friends?
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Spanish on October 11, 2012, 06:35:56 pm
Poor hero party just when I thought our heads were going to end up in a bucket. It's amazing how I everytime I come on here I learn just how many hospitaller allies we have. Now it's half of EU sheesh we are carebears and jerks for picking on such a small group of heroic people.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 11, 2012, 06:37:54 pm
So far, Hospitaller-started fights -> 100% terrible times
hero_party-started fights -> 100% primetime

Seriously, Hospitaller, you're making your enemies look good with your complete disregard for battle timing.  Please fix.


We've initiated 5 battles with hero_party so far.  3 in the morning (one early morning) 2 in the evening.

Unriya (first siege) was in prime time.  The battle for Mawiti was in prime time.  The battle for Habba was at a terrible time for everyone (even EU people, but referring to both sides in NA fighting this war).

Jimmy and Virus open field battles were mid-morning yesterday (bad timing, but they had to attack when they were given the chance or the enemies would be able to get to a fief to hide).

The only one that could have been avoided was Aztek's 7am CST battle this morning at Habba, but he was out of town yesterday and we're lucky that he was even able to attack the village, otherwise it would have been another couple days.

This is no different than strat 3, our enemies are constantly spinning everything into a conspiracy.  According to our enemies we're the big bad imperialists, going on a nation building exercise.  We will do anything to gain a little more territory, even if that means picking on the little guy.  We're the aggressors here, not hero_party.  We can't win a fight during peak NA hours, so we are resorting to scheduling our battles and sieges in the morning for NA.

Oh wait, all of that is actually false, and is propaganda.  What's new, it's the diplomacy section.   I don't know how many times I have to point it out, but hero_party attacked a castle that already had a lord.  We informed them that he was being backed by our faction (he was our vassal in the previous faction, and when they disbanded he remained loyal to us and vice versa) and if they continued with the siege (and/or didn't retreat or return the castle) there would be a war caused because of it.  They are the aggressors, we aren't interested in expanding into the desert, and the battle times are just the way it is.  One was at a terrible time and could have been avoided, the two open field battles yesterday morning were unavoidable...you can't control when your enemy is moving on the map.

I know these posters aren't logically impaired, so obviously they are spinning the facts as much as possible to gain support and make us look like we're the aggressors picking on the little guy, when that couldn't be farther from the truth.  But the people coming to your defense in the forums are either ignorant to the facts, or already have a grudge against us, so are more willing to believe anything negative said about us.


Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 11, 2012, 06:41:45 pm
Hosp didn't pay me. You guys suck. Hero party at least PAYS.

Except lordark, lordark pays cause he's a cool army commander not some shitty half backed non payer.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 11, 2012, 06:44:16 pm
Hosp didn't pay me. You guys suck. Hero party at least PAYS.

Except lordark, lordark pays cause he's a cool army commander not some shitty half backed non payer.

You got paid 110 gold from us in Lordarks battle, you went 0:0 this morning and got 10 gold (not sure who did that).  Since you were asking for money as a merc, I would ahve given you 100 if someone didn't already give you 10 (since you woke up at a terrible time to fight in it).  Besides those two, have you signed up for any of our other battles since this strat started?  If so I can pay you there...

If someone wants to merc for us and isn't sure they will get paid, talk to me and I'll personally see to it that you are fairly compensated. 
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Braeden on October 11, 2012, 06:45:48 pm
I was actually just saying you were lazy, not implying conspiracy.  I admit that I don't have the timings for Unriya or Mawiti, since I wasn't in those, but your upcoming battles aren't really good timing either.  5:50 pm is like baaarely within the okay time frame for EST, and not in it for the rest of the country.  I have updated my post to reflect more accurate percentages.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Aztek on October 11, 2012, 06:46:34 pm
Hosp didn't pay me. You guys suck. Hero party at least PAYS.

Except lordark, lordark pays cause he's a cool army commander not some shitty half backed non payer.

lol, sorry bud, after the fight I went back to bed for a few hours.. You payment has been sent, Next time I'll be more aware of that, again, My bad!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 11, 2012, 06:49:31 pm
I was actually just saying you were lazy, not implying conspiracy.  I admit that I don't have the timings for Unriya or Mawiti, since I wasn't in those, but your upcoming battles aren't really good timing either.  5:50 pm is like baaarely within the okay time frame for EST, and not in it for the rest of the country.  I have updated my post to reflect more accurate percentages.

Oilcan attacked valdian at 2 something in the afternoon a couple days ago as well.  That was an open field battle, nothing you can do about it.  You take your opportunity when it arises.  Sieges are different, there's no excuse for that other than being lazy, or inactive or inept.  Aztek is given a pass (from me) on this one, but obviously we want battles in the evenings as much as hero_party does.

The 5:50pm EST battle tonight is too early for me to make as well.  But it's not even really a battle, this guy has been AFK in our territory for weeks, and we saw Jabonra rocking the hero_party (semenstorm) banner yesterday and were worried they were turning against us.  We're not declaring war on them, just booting a guy from our territory.

Afterwards Jabonra mcdeath attacked unriya (which we currently control), so I don't know what the deal is there, need to talk to dan or someone from Jabonra. 

So that 5:50pm battle isn't even in the war with hero_party...it's in our steppe to eject some random loiterer.  We have another battle tomorrow at 10:15 CST, but again...this is an open field battle, you fight them when you catch them, you don't have the luxury to plan the attack at a good hour since it's not a stationary fief.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Spanish on October 11, 2012, 06:49:58 pm
Wait people pay you to fight with that K:D anders? I'm down for paying people but they have to earn it unless its like 2 am then I'd pay you for showing up.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 11, 2012, 06:54:05 pm
It was at 7am (which is prob worse than 2am for fielding a roster) spaniard, so he should have gotten some money, I'd have given him more than 10 gold, but I'm not worried about upkeeping a war party like Aztek is.

And not saying I disagree with what your points of view are spanish, but I got this diplomacy thing covered :P
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Keshian on October 11, 2012, 06:56:10 pm
We can't win a fight during peak NA hours, so we are resorting to scheduling our battles and sieges in the morning for NA.


100% true.  Thannk you for openly admitting it.  You lost all the prime time fights with really bad k/d ratio even with superior gear and significantly more mercs.  This has always been true, win by overwhelming numbers and expensive gear and still get worse than 1:1 k/d.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 11, 2012, 06:56:58 pm
You got paid 110 gold from us in Lordarks battle, you went 0:0 this morning and got 10 gold (not sure who did that).  Since you were asking for money as a merc, I would ahve given you 100 if someone didn't already give you 10 (since you woke up at a terrible time to fight in it).  Besides those two, have you signed up for any of our other battles since this strat started?  If so I can pay you there...

If someone wants to merc for us and isn't sure they will get paid, talk to me and I'll personally see to it that you are fairly compensated.

Well when I said that, I hadn't been paid. So guess you payed afterwards. This morning was no fun. Got no kills cause the inf had to hog them all. Also only done 2 Hosp battles on Hosp side. I go with whoever hires me first.

Wait people pay you to fight with that K:D anders? I'm down for paying people but they have to earn it unless its like 2 am then I'd pay you for showing up.
You see, as a MERC if I'm signed, I SHOW. And I do the best i can. Performance: 7 Reliabilty:10(unless changed). Not as good as a 10/10 merc, but you don't get much better than that. Inaddtion, level 32, with the ability to fight with any weapon save for bows/throwing.


Black still pays best.
You can see how your pay ranks up to the overall:
(click to show/hide)

EDIT: Oh speaking of which, I never ask for exorbinant pay, I always say: Pay Appropriately, thats why the base cost is low. 10g if i suck, more if I do whatever you thought was awesome of me.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 11, 2012, 07:01:33 pm
100% true.  Thannk you for openly admitting it.  You lost all the prime time fights with really bad k/d ratio even with superior gear and significantly more mercs.  This has always been true, win by overwhelming numbers and expensive gear and still get worse than 1:1 k/d.

I wasn't admitting anything, I was paraphrasing what you and hero_party and their sympathizers have been spinning.

Whether we can or can't win during prime time is a moot point, that's when we want to fight the battles.  If we lose we lose, if we win we win, but we want our main player base to be able to make the battles, regardless of the outcome.  We would never resort to attacking at bad times just to try and eke out a win.  We're confident in our ability to fight and win, or we wouldn't be at war.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Xol! on October 11, 2012, 07:10:43 pm
I don't know how many times I have to point it out, but hero_party attacked a castle that already had a lord.  We informed them that he was being backed by our faction (he was our vassal in the previous faction, and when they disbanded he remained loyal to us and vice versa) and if they continued with the siege (and/or didn't retreat or return the castle) there would be a war caused because of it.

Honestly, Huseby, I feel like you're being willfully ignorant as some type of bad diplomatic gimmick.  I appreciate your dedication to sticking to the party line, but I don't think you're fooling anybody.

We sent someone to talk to you guys (me, to Valdien and Peppo).  They assured me that someone would get back to us that night.  No one showed up.  Less than an hour before the battle the next day, you demanded we retreat (essentially disbanding our largest force and arming your castle to the teeth) for a mere 10k gold or you'd declare war.  Of course we refused, instead asking to continue work on a deal after the battle, still considering the fief 'yours' for negotiation purposes and avoiding having to deal with a transfer at a later date.

I came back to IRC after the battle, found you'd disconnected and made this thread (http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/knights-hospitaller-declares-war-on-hero_party/).  It's painfully obvious to the most casual observer that you guys really just wanted to cut your teeth on something, and we were the first opportunity presented.  We know it, you know it, everybody knows it.  Just admit to it and give up the pretense of some kind of justified war.  You're only doing more damage to your own credibility by refusing to acknowledge it.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Aztek on October 11, 2012, 07:27:47 pm
Hospitaller view..   You attacked a protected entity, we asked for you to retreat and we can work on compensation for your troubles as it was pretected by our faction, You denied and war was raged as a last resort due to none compliance, We continued to this time to offer peace if you are willing to give back that entity and work things out.

Hero party view..   You went after a village in your territory that you thought was not under any banner/protection at the time, Last minute negotiations could not take place as no one got back to you and now it seems like we are going to send everything at you until we take your lands and blame you for everything.

Both sides go on and on about how everyone sees what the other side is doing trying to twist things.. But can't we all agree peace would be a decent outcome? if everyone wants to war sure, let it rage on.. But if not, can't we have some individuals sit down and work things out?

... just curious
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 11, 2012, 07:28:40 pm
Honestly, Huseby, I feel like you're being willfully ignorant as some type of bad diplomatic gimmick.  I appreciate your dedication to sticking to the party line, but I don't think you're fooling anybody.

We sent someone to talk to you guys (me, to Valdien and Peppo).  They assured me that someone would get back to us that night.  No one showed up.  Less than an hour before the battle the next day, you demanded we retreat (essentially disbanding our largest force and arming your castle to the teeth) for a mere 10k gold or you'd declare war.  Of course we refused, instead asking to continue work on a deal after the battle, still considering the fief 'yours' for negotiation purposes and avoiding having to deal with a transfer at a later date.

I came back to IRC after the battle, found you'd disconnected and made this thread (http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/knights-hospitaller-declares-war-on-hero_party/).  It's painfully obvious to the most casual observer that you guys really just wanted to cut your teeth on something, and we were the first opportunity presented.  We know it, you know it, everybody knows it.  Just admit to it and give up the pretense of some kind of justified war.  You're only doing more damage to your own credibility by refusing to acknowledge it.

I'm not being ignorant at all here.  Yes, we were to get back to you guys that night, which apparently never happened (me and Devilize are the diplomats, and neither of us was available later that evening).  That didn't happen the night before.  But you were aware at that time that if we were unable to come to an agreement, and you didn't retreat from the battle, or didn't return it immediately afterwards, then we would be at war with you.  That was your choice to continue the attack, was your choice to tell us that you would keep the castle if we didn't come to an agreement.

An hour before the battle I started talking to Shik and then about 30 minutes before talking to Tydeus.  We were unable to come to an agreement, and anything we agreed to, Tydeus made a stipulation that he'd be keeping the castle.

We weren't looking to cut our teeth on anything, I explained in the original thread what we wanted for the castle.  Unriya village and 250,000 gold.  That was our starting offer, Tydeus came back with Unriya and 30,000 gold, which is not going to fly for giving up a castle without a fight.   

At any point in time you could give us back the castle and we'll call off the war.  I said that from the very first war declaration.  The ball is entirely in your court.  Give us back the castle, and then we can try to negotiate for it.  If we can't come to terms after we have the original castle that was in control of our vassal, then we'd trade it over to you.  If not, then we'd keep it.  But at least we wouldn't be at war over it. Until we get control of it, or come to a negotiation that both parties accept, we will be at war.

This isn't our hostilities that caused it...and that is the only thing that should be painfully obvious.  You feel like you're being oppressed, which is understandable when the 400 lb giant is sitting your chest, but you're the one who took our little brothers bike and have refused to give it back.  Give it back, and we get off your chest.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on October 11, 2012, 09:33:47 pm
Hosp didn't pay me. You guys suck. Hero party at least PAYS.

Except lordark, lordark pays cause he's a cool army commander not some shitty half backed non payer.

People actually care about being paid miniscule amounts of money for strat battles? Don't know what your complaining about i fought for Hero_Party in the chevalier siege on their castle and I had the best score (not KD) of any player in the entire game, didn't get paid anything not that i care.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: ednos on October 11, 2012, 09:41:15 pm
But can't we all agree peace would be a decent outcome? if everyone wants to war sure, let it rage on.. But if not, can't we have some individuals sit down and work things out?

In real life, of course we want peaceful conflict resolution as often as possible. In Strategus, though, war is the best possible status at all times in all places. Without war, there is no game for the vast majority of the Strategus-playing community (especially, obviously, those who only play as mercenaries). Please, on behalf of everyone who doesn't have any vested interest in your assets, do not stop fighting! The forum warrior stuff gets a little old after the same paragraph is repeated over and over in a thread, but the drama overall is also entertaining.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Smoothrich on October 11, 2012, 09:56:43 pm
People actually care about being paid miniscule amounts of money for strat battles? Don't know what your complaining about i fought for Hero_Party in the chevalier siege on their castle and I had the best score (not KD) of any player in the entire game, didn't get paid anything not that i care.

sorry dude, let me just wait for those semenstorm trade caravans to get back here so i can send prompt payment.. oh wait nm 6 am ambushes with templar/fallen rosters on weekdays lol sry i'm good for it once we win the war but we always appreciate the help. 

but mostly anders please stop posting in here about merc payments.  make your own thread where you can drone on like the world's worst larry david sketch about how much or how little people pay you in internet horse gold for internet horse battles, or i will report you for out of character off topic posting in diplomacy until you are muted.  consider my strat payment to you is this act of mercy, this warning.

Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 11, 2012, 10:08:29 pm
EDITED cause I bad merc.

My character is a merc. if you can't stand paying a merc because he wants to BE a merc then stop playing and take a chill pill.

Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 11, 2012, 10:30:41 pm
I'll personally pay you every time Anders, even if it's just showing up for the battle.

That being said, this doesn't have to be stressful for anyone, I'm sure there's common interests that we could hash out for Samarra castle.  Otherwise we'll keep fighting.

Bring us something to the table that we can both agree on...or give us back the castle and the war's over.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Hobb on October 11, 2012, 10:41:34 pm
Really anders? Read your post again an tell me you didnt just come off as an aspergers patient.

You have made way to many posts about something so miniscule as 10 gold for a strat battle. Thats like 5 minutes of crpg

The velucan empire will never pay mercs for strat battles. What we will do is spend hours of our free time slaving over a computer screen so we can afford to equip armies for many many fun shiny battles and give glorious quality xp for everyone involved. Furthermore we will spend even more free time in battle prep to give everyone a more enjoyable strat experience.

The last thing i want is 2h heroes n cav whores trying to top the list for 10gold. Although i am prone to include top scorers in my RP threads
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 11, 2012, 10:42:42 pm
I'll personally pay you every time Anders, even if it's just showing up for the battle.

That being said, this doesn't have to be stressful for anyone, I'm sure there's common interests that we could hash out for Samarra castle.  Otherwise we'll keep fighting.

Bring us something to the table that we can both agree on...or give us back the castle and the war's over.

You have said the same thing now for nine pages now. I think hero party understands by now that if they give the castle back that the war will be over.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Mayzer on October 11, 2012, 10:46:02 pm
TLDR of this entire thread. (not intending to be spergy, but this has just gotten way off topic and repetitive at the same time)

1. People think battle times are a bit too inconvenient.
2. Hero_party has no intention of giving up their castle.
3. Hospitaller has no intention on ceasing the war unless hero_party gives them the castle.

Oh, and 4. Anders wants gold.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Xol! on October 11, 2012, 10:48:58 pm
It was our hostilities that caused it...and that is the only thing that should be painfully obvious.  You feel like you're being oppressed, which is understandable when a 400 lb fat kid is sitting your chest. We gave the kid down the street, who we thought was our little brother, a bike, which he gave to you. When we found out, though you offered to buy the bike and we were haggling over a price, our bipolar disorder kicked in and we threatened to beat the shit out of you if you didn't give the bike back and let us pay you a nickel for the new bell, seat, and handlebars you'd been planning to put on it.  Give it back, and we get off your chest.

Fixed.

Hospitaller view..   You attacked a protected entity, we asked for you to retreat and we can work on compensation for your troubles as it was pretected by our faction, You denied and war was raged as a last resort due to none compliance, We continued to this time to offer peace if you are willing to give back that entity and work things out.

Hero party view..   You went after a village in your territory that you thought was not under any banner/protection at the time, Last minute negotiations could not take place as no one got back to you and now it seems like we are going to send everything at you until we take your lands and blame you for everything.

Nail on the head.

Why is Huseby the diplomat instead of Aztek?
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 11, 2012, 10:56:52 pm
I've been saying the same things as Aztek as well...he summed it up nicely.

SaleHope never gave you the castle.  So your fixed analogy isn't even close to accurate.  You attacked the castle as soon as Papal Guard disbanded, while the fief lord was still in control of the fief.  He had no intentions of giving it away to you, he joined our faction and was going to hand it over to us (albeit during/after you had attacked the castle). 

You attacked a castle, you attacked a castle, you attacked a castle.  That makes you the aggressor.  Could I make it any more obvious?

Give us the castle, and we end the war.

We obviously have a different point of view than hero_party, so I'm going to stop repeating the same things over and over and over again (after this post).  And will likely be done posting in this thread.

Ding dong the witch is dead!
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: EyeBeat on October 11, 2012, 11:02:04 pm
Anders true mercs do not pick sides.  You suck at roleplaying.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Havoco on October 11, 2012, 11:03:17 pm
Btw Peppovitch and Valdian never contacted you because they settled on a price which was most likely something you didnt have/ wouldnt give.

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There was not much point in contacting you because we were almost sure that you didnt have that much money.

But, Im sure there wouldve been some type of agreement if more negotiations wouldve taken place and tydeus didnt get so aggressive and attack it right after papal guard disbanded.

That was a nice battle time btw tydeus, lots of ppl can play at 2pm EST.

Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tanken on October 11, 2012, 11:04:01 pm
New Drinking Game:

Every time Huseby mentions giving Hospitallers the castle, or Anders talks about Mercing, or Someone bitches about battle times on the thread, you take a shot.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Xol! on October 11, 2012, 11:13:53 pm
SaleHope never gave you the castle.  So your fixed analogy isn't even close to accurate.  You attacked the castle as soon as Papal Guard disbanded, while the fief lord was still in control of the fief.  He had no intentions of giving it away to you, he joined our faction and was going to hand it over to us (albeit during/after you had attacked the castle). 

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Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Malaclypse on October 11, 2012, 11:18:57 pm
I still wasn't able to find any thread anywhere indicating that PapalGuard were allies with anyone (they didn't have a faction hall thread; it didn't say they were allies in any diplomacy thread or in the hospitaller faction hall thread). What it amounts to is people saying after the fact, "oh yeah those guys are our allies, we decided not to make it known until after something happened".
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 11, 2012, 11:21:11 pm
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Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 11, 2012, 11:21:42 pm
Anders true mercs do not pick sides.  You suck at roleplaying.

You are correct. I have doth been shamed. I can not be a true merc with biases, I must correct this immediately by reapplying for all battles like a true mercenary. I cannot take sides in this war, and thus I must be a mercenary....
(who gets paid)
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As for papal guard Allies, I think the earliest mention was the KUTT thread of alliance with HOSP and it got mentioned there.

EDIT: Found the first mention HERE! (http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/na-diplomacy-announcement-from-the-knights-hospitaller/msg618857/#msg618857) From the resident ANTI carebear himself!
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tanken on October 11, 2012, 11:26:43 pm
I am going to be shitfaced before I even get halfway through work today if you guys keep this up.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Malaclypse on October 11, 2012, 11:35:46 pm
Just found it as well, after some digging. So there it is, not even on the first post, not in a faction hall thread front page, not even in an announcement, just as an offhand post by someone who's not even in the faction, and which isn't really acknowledged by anyone in the relevant faction until a few pages into the thread when Spaniard reiterates.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 11, 2012, 11:48:18 pm
A lowly, out of work courier comes and brings a parchment, long withered from burial under the trash heap. A parchment which should have been shown for all the world to see, to prevent the world from burning.

Don't forget the Papal Guard, Malta, and Chevaliers.  They are all official allies of Hospitaller and should be counted with their side.

This lowly courier has done his duty and thus marches off to the next, low paying job. Barely making ends meet, he hath more than one mouth to feed, and he cannot make enough for himself, as war has ruined all he held dear. He mutters this,
"If only they had known better, I would not be digging in the trash for my families food. May the Donkey always be with me."

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EDIT: made a few corrections to the RP.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: mcdeath on October 11, 2012, 11:50:23 pm
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For the record I picked the battle time so it would be FAIR FOR BOTH SIDES instead of Hosp who have no lives so they have nothing in the way of making battles at inconvenient times for others. Strat is meant to be fun and give xp not to be douche bags and control everything.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 11, 2012, 11:50:51 pm
"If only they had known better, I would not be digging in the trash for my families food. May the Donkey always be with me."

Wait a second... donkey donkey donkey

Swwwweeeeeeet filter's gone. I didn't even notice.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lordark on October 12, 2012, 12:05:08 am
Just give us the castle and this can all be over...



Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: mcdeath on October 12, 2012, 12:06:50 am
Just give us the castle and this can all be over...
lol
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tanken on October 12, 2012, 12:27:31 am
Filter is gone? So... if I type p o l e s t u n, it should stay polestun?


Edit: HOLY CRAP IT WORKS! (it used to instantly change it to polestagger)
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Spanish on October 12, 2012, 01:47:06 am
Like I said other clans know more about hosp relations than we know ourselves. So I thought they attacked the castle to see if that would start something, if it hadn't they get a free castle. Still I'm surprised they're willing to get wiped this early in strat. Drink to remembering hero party
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: BaleOhay on October 12, 2012, 01:49:41 am
Like I said other clans know more about hosp relations than we know ourselves. So I thought they attacked the castle to see if that would start something, if it hadn't they get a free castle. Still I'm surprised they're willing to get wiped this early in strat. Drink to remembering hero party


that presumes much. I call this statement BS
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Aztek on October 12, 2012, 02:21:30 am
For the record I picked the battle time so it would be FAIR FOR BOTH SIDES instead of Hosp who have no lives so they have nothing in the way of making battles at inconvenient times for others. Strat is meant to be fun and give xp not to be douche bags and control everything.

It's an inconvenience for us as well, We simply asked for help with the battles which saved us, Not many Hospitaller were on either, Times are being adjusted, we did not set out to hit others at odd times for our sake to put the odds in our favour (*Canadian Spelling eh*), It could have easily went the other way and we could have got slaughtered if mercs didn't come to our aid.. We simply attacked for attacking sake as we are at war.. for having no lives, I already explained my reason for the 8am battle and I'm sure other off set battles will become a rarity, but enough with the mud slinging.. Or so help me I will attack you over and over again at 2am until my eyes bleed with exhaustion!

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Title: !
Post by: Blackzilla on October 12, 2012, 03:33:15 am
When I spoke to Weewum about buying the fief from him, i specifically asked their affiliation with hosp, they send they were friends but not vassals or allies. ALSO, Salehope! The man who was "joining" you, is now in HG! What a surprise, your fighting for a lord who doesnt not even live in your kingdom. http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=strategusinfohero&id=389330 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=strategusinfohero&id=389330) HE changed his name BTW.<20:29:05> "Blackzilla": is salehop Kalack?
<20:31:24> "Elindor": Yeah, Salehope is Kalack now.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Elindor on October 12, 2012, 03:37:41 am
HE changed his name BTW.<20:29:05> "Blackzilla": is salehop Kalack?
<20:31:24> "Elindor": Yeah, Salehope is Kalack now.

From what I understand, Salehope was part of Papal Guard which in my understanding was vassaled to Hosp, could be wrong.
When Papal Guard fell apart, Salehope joined Hospitaller to try to protect his castle - he I think also has friends there maybe.

After losing his castle anyhow, Salehope decided to join us because he had been interested in joining HG since I made the Papal Guard banner a while back. 

I told him I wouldn't accept him into HG until the drama with his castle was gone, and therefore I didn't accept him until he lost his castle - he then retired, and changed his name to Kalack to be separated from the drama (Kalack is also a name he likes to use).

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I know this is a fight between Hero Party and Hosp, so - now that Salehope (Kalack) has lost his castle and has gone on his way - I'd ask that you leave him out of this from here.



Battle on.  :wink:
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 12, 2012, 04:18:09 am
A lowly, out of work courier comes and brings a parchment, long withered from burial under the trash heap. A parchment which should have been shown for all the world to see, to prevent the world from burning.

This lowly courier has done his duty and thus marches off to the next, low paying job. Barely making ends meet, he hath more than one mouth to feed, and he cannot make enough for himself, as war has ruined all he held dear. He mutters this,
"If only they had known better, I would not be digging in the trash for my families food. May the Donkey always be with me."

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EDIT: made a few corrections to the RP.

forum warrior
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 12, 2012, 04:31:45 am
forum warrior

The scholar wishes to understand if this is a good thing or a bad thing that the lord hath made mention of this? I only read the portents of the stars and begged the Donkey Lord for insight into the meaning of this sign!

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Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Shik on October 12, 2012, 05:22:58 am
Good battle guys, was a close one.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Inglorious on October 12, 2012, 05:23:46 am
And everyone in the hospitaller spec was all like

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Great fight, everyone
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Krosis on October 12, 2012, 05:25:22 am
That was the reason we play this game.. awesome battle.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Aderyn on October 12, 2012, 05:40:12 am
Awesome battle, right there.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Keshian on October 12, 2012, 05:43:39 am
Can't believe we got that close against lordly heraldic transitional armor on every melee guy and a crapload of destriers with heavy lances and bodkin arrows.  I think hero_party was outspent by hospitaller 3 or 4 to 1 on that fight and all that expensive loomed gear was almost completely lost or degraded in one fight.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 12, 2012, 05:50:10 am
My only reply to this great battle:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/the-battle-at-mazigh/msg627364/#msg627364
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Turboflex on October 12, 2012, 06:02:08 am
Can't believe we got that close against lordly heraldic transitional armor on every melee guy and a crapload of destriers with heavy lances and bodkin arrows.  I think hero_party was outspent by hospitaller 3 or 4 to 1 on that fight and all that expensive loomed gear was almost completely lost or degraded in one fight.

The opening skirmishes where they slaughtered you guys with xbow volleys made the difference...very expensively purchased tho.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Sir_Mahtin on October 12, 2012, 06:02:37 am
That was a proper battle.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 12, 2012, 06:10:19 am
Can't believe we got that close against lordly heraldic transitional armor on every melee guy and a crapload of destriers with heavy lances and bodkin arrows.  I think hero_party was outspent by hospitaller 3 or 4 to 1 on that fight and all that expensive loomed gear was almost completely lost or degraded in one fight.

The gear for those who were not there:
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Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Xol! on October 12, 2012, 06:14:43 am
I genuinely wish I'd recorded that.  Good fight.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Turboflex on October 12, 2012, 06:14:53 am
it was a siege army that got intercepted, gonna try and overwhelm a poorly equipped city or castle with plate shock and cap all flags.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Ceihdrikk on October 12, 2012, 06:33:03 am

It has already been said before but it's hard to describe it another way : awesome battle.
good fight
PS: Kesh, I never thought putting an axe through anyone's head could feel that good!
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: arowaine on October 12, 2012, 06:35:49 am
It has already been said before but it's hard to describe it another way : awesome battle.
good fight
PS: Kesh, I never thought putting an axe through anyone's head could feel that good!

that was the best part...the end of the battle. Sorry kesh no offense you still manage to kill way to much but ceihdrikk axe get trougth your head hehe :) was a lot of fun.

hosp add maybe a bit better armor not sure to be honest cause i saw some transitional aswell maybe less hero party side but hero party still had like 100 something tikets more then hospitaller. anyways like a said good figth both side.

Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Keshian on October 12, 2012, 06:36:52 am
It has already been said before but it's hard to describe it another way : awesome battle.
good fight
PS: Kesh, I never thought putting an axe through anyone's head could feel that good!

Yeah I was about to help my team melee, but then Huey started yelling - pick up the arrow, drop the lance!!!  We messed up a little at the end where we kept having 1 guy go in solo at a time.  Plus I missed way too many shots at the very end (First battle with my new computer, getting a feel for it).  Good fight.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Tydeus on October 12, 2012, 07:05:25 am
What the hell happened to all the trolling and arguments? Such a good thread ruined by one measly well timed, nearly even battle. This is bullshit!
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Gmnotutoo on October 12, 2012, 07:14:16 am
What the hell happened to all the trolling and arguments? Such a good thread ruined by one measly well timed, nearly even battle. This is bullshit!

We all have an addiction for blood and apparently once everyone gets their fill we all turn into peaceful, polite people.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Pentecost on October 12, 2012, 07:29:11 am
That was the most amusing battle I've ever had the privilege of taking part in, and I wish I could have recorded the better moments of it. Rohypnol somehow went 35/10 when virtually everyone in the entire enemy army had either a bow, a pike, or a horse, and my pal who was spectating the whole event said that the great cavalry charge Huey led on the left flank of the enemy on our third or fourth push that allowed the center to break through and even the odds looked like the winged hussars lifting the second siege of Vienna or something. It was great. Kesh's performance in the last phase of the fighting was amazing as well; hero_party probably could have pulled out a win in the end if Decius hadn't d/ced and certain individuals hadn't choked harder than Tom Brady at Super Bowl XLII.

Thank you to hero_party for hiring me, and thank you to Hospitaller for fighting against me. It's for moments like these that I play cRPG.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Rikthor on October 12, 2012, 07:37:47 am
I was there.

I was there the day Kesh's arrows fell short and Roy's heroics failed to save the day.

I was there the day Occitan, Remnant, and LLJK saved the Hospitallers from certain trolling.

I was there.


Seriously, fun fight and much nicer than 2-3am battles or those during the day. Good luck to both sides in your continued conflict.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Sir_Mahtin on October 12, 2012, 07:44:20 am
Mad reviews about that strat battle... pinnacle of my battling so far.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Krosis on October 12, 2012, 09:16:50 am
I think the fact that it happened in an open field made it even more enjoying.. no where to hide.. but to face your adversary!
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on October 12, 2012, 01:21:07 pm
Gf. I finally got to use cav!

Luckily, we had 2 heavy lances. Nerf'd.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 12, 2012, 05:34:46 pm
Pentecost I made a lot of money on the Giants winning super bowl xlii, they legitimately pulled that win out of their asses.

And Anders, that forum warrior comment was a compliment, although being that familiar with what is said and by who on the forums is probably not that healthy :P

Great battle last night to everyone who participated, win or lose, I never expected it to be as close as it was.

Wish we had more than 25 heavy lances, but I think we made them go a long way.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Xol! on October 12, 2012, 05:48:18 pm
Wish we had more than 25 heavy lances, but I think we made them go a long way.

Thank god you had some.  We only had one cracked heavy lance; we had to wait for your cav to die so we could steal yours.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: Keshian on October 12, 2012, 05:48:25 pm

Wish we had more than 25 heavy lances, but I think we made them go a long way.

Only 14x as many as the desert guys had. lol.  They were desperately trying to loot those. Cav made a big difference.
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 12, 2012, 05:52:14 pm
Yeah compared to you guys 25 was a lot, but as a lancer I always want more more more
Title: Re: breaking news: hospitallers invade 10 man faction with 2000+ shiny troops
Post by: BaleOhay on October 12, 2012, 06:00:29 pm
10 out of my 11 deaths were to horsemen. archery is dangerous work when cav spawn behind . I had tho in the fight.