Up until the last minute, we had maintained we wanted to trade unriya village + gold or troops+gear for samarra castle, but would require Tydeus to retreat to show good faith that he was going to take the trade. Otherwise there was nothing to stop him from reneging on the deal, since he already had the castle.Yes, nothing to stop us from "renegading" other than that, if nothing else, Hospitaller would most certainly decide to go to war with us had we done so. It's quite easy to see who will win a war between Hospitaller and hero_party, even if we could out-gear you and maintain a 2:1 ratio of kills to deaths, our best case scenario, which is highly unlikely, you'd still win through attrition if nothing else. Clearly, there was far more for us to risk than you as I specifically stated to you in irc. You on the other hand, had very little to lose by simply not returning anything to us and still declaring war. In fact, we'd find ourselves in the same position we are now, except with you having the castle and not us and with hero_party's defeat assured(though entirely unwilling to surrender) even moreso.
good luck to both sides, have fun, just don't roleplay to seriously like some people around these parts
We just wish that, rather than being outnumbered by having to fight Hospitaller, Chevaliers, Astralis, Malta, KUTT and whoever else, we'd only have to be outnumbered fighting Chevaliers, Astralis and Malta. It would certainly be a much more entertaining war, for everyone.
I just hope this doesn't turn into another one of those it's-not-over-till-one-side-is-totally-wiped wars. How often did you see that happen in single player? I hope this is a situation where both sides can sharpen their claws, do some damage, and then end it amicably instead of going full steam and making the map that much more boring.Hero Party is willing to accept peace under the conditions that Hospitaller and allies renounce all hostilities and claims against us.
Even in the most unforgiving heat of Calradia's desert, the fires of war out burn us all.
The eternal flames rest in the womb of Calradia. With peace comes the birth of a new land, and Calradia is far from willing to let anything ursurp its crown.
To defeat this inferno, we must first defeat ourselves.
~ Empress Auphilia
Considering that we've received reports several days prior that Hospitaller Devilize sent Goretooth 1000 troops to attack us in the desert, it is rather clear to us that you had no intention of carrying on any sort of lasting peace in the first place: this comes as little surprise to us. So be it! Let your teeming hordes come.
Could you please make an attempt to follow haiku structure more carefully? You're pretense of artfulness clearly shows you have no respect for culture.
We the Chevaliers wish the Castle Samarra. We fight you for this reason. But we are all part of a much larger idea, and must play our part in this charade.(click to show/hide)
Poster of the upcoming war made by Chevalier_Fred
Funny. I heard this rumor as well. That must have been some trade run!
I'm surprised you have the audacity to place a "claim" on 1. A castle not in the Steppe. 2. A castle surrounded by another faction's fiefs. In my eyes that castle belonged to Hero Party since Strat started.
Just come out with it and say that you want their land. Don't use this weak claim as a precedence...
//rant
Should be Les Chevaliers, not la Chevalier ^^. Also, while I don't speak for my faction right now, I really don't like seeing any of the big faction expanding in the desert... Using vassals or not. To me the desert is where the smaller clans have a chance at surviving and having fun.
Couldn't just say, "nice poster" -_- everyone's got something to nitpick here.
We are a small clan in comparison to the mega clans out there that have been around for ages. We have received no military support till just recently within the last 24 hours, and already made it this far! I enjoy the desert, being a small faction. But hero party is the biggest in the desert, and just took another castle. Are they to big for the desert now? They have shining armies o.O I have never seen one before till yesterday. But, they aren't invincible, thank Christ.
Couldn't just say, "nice poster" -_- everyone's got something to nitpick here.Everything hero_party has attained has been strictly of our own effort. We have not receive anything from other factions aside from simply meeting someone halfway through a trade run to swap trade goods and trade agreements.
We are a small clan in comparison to the mega clans out there that have been around for ages. We have received no military support till just recently within the last 24 hours, and already made it this far! I enjoy the desert, being a small faction. But hero party is the biggest in the desert, and just took another castle. Are they to big for the desert now? They have shining armies o.O I have never seen one before till yesterday. But, they aren't invincible, thank Christ.
...
Since it was apparent we were going to be unable to come to terms before the battle was going to happen, I agreed to send him 10k gold, and return his goods, gear and troops (we'd compensate) for retreating from the battle and continuing negotiations. They would only agree to continued negotiations after they took the castle.
...
...
We have righteous casus belli, and are not just looking for aggressive expansion (our hand was pushed when our vassal's castle was attacked).
...
Our trade negotiations were unsuccessful, and this was the byproduct of that.
...
can someone please explain to me how the hospitallers are considered aggressive when the hero party attacked a castle that belonged to one of their vassals!?because hospitallers sent goretooth to attack us several days before that, and having a hostile glitched castle in the middle of our territory is an extreme liability?
can someone please explain to me how the hospitallers are considered aggressive when the hero party attacked a castle that belonged to one of their vassals!?
because hospitallers sent goretooth to attack us several days before that, and having a hostile glitched castle in the middle of our territory is an extreme liability?
The infidels march onto our doorstep, thinking they come as conquerors. Yet they are simply cattle being herded to slaughter at the butchery, as many factions before them.
The streets of Ahmerrad, of Samarra, of Durrin will run knee high with blood of Hospitaller pigs. When they open their mouths, they lie. When they open their cRPG, they get owned. When they talk on this forum, they shit post. When they play Strategus, they form extremely unpopular mega-alliances while making their vassals heed every beck and call to the letter, then only focus their resources on attacking clans 1/10 the size to make their internet knight's dicks harder than any UFC PPV match could IRL.
Let the community know, EU and NA, let them see what Hospitallers have been, are, and will always be. A clan of sperglord bullies, a zerg as big of LLJK of old except not nearly as entertaining, a clan as arrogant as Ecko/ATS of yore except without any skill, a clan who exploits and cheats as much as Fallen except without a "bad guys" gimmick to justify.
Whenever I read a post saying "UIF RUINED STRAT" or some other peasant lament, I see the truth. At least the UIF fight fair, and use skill instead of hacks, exploits, deception, and overwhelming numbers on the smallest clans on the map. Yet, Hospitallers do, worse then any clan I've seen.
But we already knew that, didn't we? Now it's time for you to learn something. What it means to get into a Strategus war.. with me.
*there was an image here, but not no more*
You have a very interesting viewpoint on DRZ and their, um, inventive usage of theexploitsmechanics and laws ofStrategusCalradia. Have you perhaps reviewed their history in the second great war of Calradia? :wink: I think there are a multitude of other Calradians who would disagree with you there.
And I was going to offer a KDR boosting party once we claimed it to knock down the population to regularity... Sigh...
Orders to concede the castle to hero_party: Confirmed
because hospitallers sent goretooth to attack us several days before that, and having a hostile glitched castle in the middle of our territory is an extreme liability?If that were true shouldn't i be in the desert or close to it by now?
Hospitallers, how are you nerds always at the center of NA drama EVERY STRAT and people still want to be your allies?
We are officially declaring war on the hero_party for their attack on one of our vassal's (SaleHope) fiefs. SaleHope was the lord of New Samarra Castle when the Papal Guard disbanded. He remained our loyal vassal and before they disbanded, had told us that he was joining our faction. He agreed to transfer the castle over to Chevaliers to take control over and run the fief's operations.
Before Chevaliers were able to get there, Tydeus attacked the castle claiming it was a non-faction castle. Which if you looked on the strategus map, would appear that way. However at no point in time did he come to us, or SaleHope to discuss a peaceful trade for the castle.
Up until the last minute, we had maintained we wanted to trade unriya village + gold or troops+gear for samarra castle, but would require Tydeus to retreat to show good faith that he was going to take the trade. Otherwise there was nothing to stop him from reneging on the deal, since he already had the castle.
Since it was apparent we were going to be unable to come to terms before the battle was going to happen, I agreed to send him 10k gold, and return his goods, gear and troops (we'd compensate) for retreating from the battle and continuing negotiations. They would only agree to continued negotiations after they took the castle.
So consider this cause for war and expect to be crushed.
The infidels march onto our doorstep, thinking they come as conquerors. Yet they are simply cattle being herded to slaughter at the butchery, as many factions before them.
The streets of Ahmerrad, of Samarra, of Durrin will run knee high with blood of Hospitaller pigs. When they open their mouths, they lie. When they open their cRPG, they get owned. When they talk on this forum, they shit post. When they play Strategus, they form extremely unpopular mega-alliances while making their vassals heed every beck and call to the letter, then only focus their resources on attacking clans 1/10 the size to make their internet knight's dicks harder than any UFC PPV match could IRL.
Let the community know, EU and NA, let them see what Hospitallers have been, are, and will always be. A clan of sperglord bullies, a zerg as big of LLJK of old except not nearly as entertaining, a clan as arrogant as Ecko/ATS of yore except without any skill, a clan who exploits and cheats as much as Fallen except without a "bad guys" gimmick to justify.
Whenever I read a post saying "UIF RUINED STRAT" or some other peasant lament, I see the truth. At least the UIF fight fair, and use skill instead of hacks, exploits, deception, and overwhelming numbers on the smallest clans on the map. Yet, Hospitallers do, worse then any clan I've seen.
But we already knew that, didn't we? Now it's time for you to learn something. What it means to get into a Strategus war.. with me.
*there was an image here, but not no more*
The infidels march onto our doorstep, thinking they come as conquerors. Yet they are simply cattle being herded to slaughter at the butchery, as many factions before them.
The streets of Ahmerrad, of Samarra, of Durrin will run knee high with blood of Hospitaller pigs. When they open their mouths, they lie. When they open their cRPG, they get owned. When they talk on this forum, they shit post. When they play Strategus, they form extremely unpopular mega-alliances while making their vassals heed every beck and call to the letter, then only focus their resources on attacking clans 1/10 the size to make their internet knight's dicks harder than any UFC PPV match could IRL.
Let the community know, EU and NA, let them see what Hospitallers have been, are, and will always be. A clan of sperglord bullies, a zerg as big of LLJK of old except not nearly as entertaining, a clan as arrogant as Ecko/ATS of yore except without any skill, a clan who exploits and cheats as much as Fallen except without a "bad guys" gimmick to justify.
Whenever I read a post saying "UIF RUINED STRAT" or some other peasant lament, I see the truth. At least the UIF fight fair, and use skill instead of hacks, exploits, deception, and overwhelming numbers on the smallest clans on the map. Yet, Hospitallers do, worse then any clan I've seen.
But we already knew that, didn't we? Now it's time for you to learn something. What it means to get into a Strategus war.. with me.
*there was an image here, but not no more*
Either get the hell out of our way and give us what we want or die. You think you can hold that land from us but you're nothing special and just like everybody else you will die.Bring it on. We'll bathe in your blood and xp till we all drown.
I don't need overwhelming numbers
Because they tell clans it's either ally with them and fight their wars or be destroyed, then promise them fiefs at the end of the war they will probably not even hand over and take for themselves.
Considering that we've received reports several days prior that Hospitaller Devilize sent Goretooth 1000 troops to attack us in the desert, it is rather clear to us that you had no intention of carrying on any sort of lasting peace in the first place: this comes as little surprise to us. So be it! Let your teeming hordes come.Just lol.
Wow some one holds grudges and in any case why should we give a fuck if you're a small clan or not. Either get the hell out of our way and give is what we want or die, its pretty simple and thats how its always worked. You think you can hold that land from us and defend it but you're nothing special and just like everybody else you will die. I don't need overwhelming numbers to kick your ass smooth and I will in thishttp://snd.sc/WxDRGuslaughterwar. So bring it Smooth, I'd like to give another notch on you're belt on how Hospitaller has ruined Strat for you. :wink:
Hospitallers, how are you nerds always at the center of NA drama EVERY STRAT and people still want to be your allies?
We're here to have fun. If it wasn't for clans like ours there would never be anything going on in strat to enjoy. Whether you fought with or against us you can always acknowledge that if there was a party in strat hospitaller is where it's at (rhyme not intended). The reason why people continue to ally with us is simple, were fair and easy to work with despite the slander we get in the forums.
The bottom line is that this war could have and in fact still can be avoided yet the ball is in their court and they don't want to play. We've done everything we can to encourage peaceful transactions and they've dismissed every attempt. All the while playing the victim on the forums to gain support for a war they obviously want.
We're here to have fun. If it wasn't for clans like ours there would never be anything going on in strat to enjoy. Whether you fought with or against us you can always acknowledge that if there was a party in strat hospitaller is where it's at (rhyme not intended). The reason why people continue to ally with us is simple, were fair and easy to work with despite the slander we get in the forums.If it wasn't for this huge alliance of yours, hero_party, and likely many other factions, would have already started warring. But you don't really mean that anyway.
The bottom line is that this war could have and in fact still can be avoided yet the ball is in their court and they don't want to play. We've done everything we can to encourage peaceful transactions and they've dismissed every attempt. All the while playing the victim on the forums to gain support for a war they obviously want.
Remember people, you can always negotiate peace with us if you give us something for it. Were not out to destroy all but keep the game 'fresh' Been like a month since strat 4 started and no war yet so lets got pixelated blood spilt already!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=sroc2dzRHuA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=sroc2dzRHuA)
Please sir, speak for yourself.
Option 1,GreenHero party gives Hospitaller this land
Option 2, Hospitaller takes it and the rest of your territory.
I'm fairly certain you took that out of green machine's mission statement.
Option 1,Do Hospitaller really see green everywhere? What's the matter, is CHAOS keeping you up at night? Maybe they're green with envy. hehGreen
Do Hospitaller really see green everywhere? What's the matter, is CHAOS keeping you up at night? Maybe they're green with envy. heh
Don't worry though, you can sleep soundly: its just the 10 of us; heaven forbid that you actually have to fight a even war.
(For the record I understand.. and RP aside, get why Hero Party is coming off as the victim, But you can't really make demands and take something while offering to give it back AFTER negotiations while the other party has the upper hand.. well, Actually you can, But thus the War declaration.. lol)
And I was going to offer a KDR boosting party once we claimed it to knock down the population to regularity... Sigh...
Orders to concede the castle to hero_party: Confirmed
(RP aside, we didn't demand anything, we just asked to continue negotiations after the battle, still considering the castle yours in all but name, without having to disband one of our few armies. When you have 100+ members, I'm sure it doesn't seem like a big deal to throw away an army for a week, but it's just not an option when we're this small. We attacked an unaligned castle in our territory, which we later learned was intended to go to the Chevaliers, who actually conceded their claim to us anyway (http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/chevaliers-claim-samarra-under-alliance-ruling!/msg621564/#msg621564). Refusing to negotiate until thirty minutes before the battle and then making us choose between losing a large part of our military and getting war declared on us by a gigantic faction is not negotiation, it's just bullying. You can't be the guy with the big stick AND try to play the victim here.)
I dont wanna be like that but... 14 members? c'mon that's only the amount of people in your faction, doesn't take a rocketscientist to figure out brd fcc tkov chaos and remnant will help you out. They have so far mercwise :|
Mercing for people does not mean support.
I dont wanna be like that but... 14 members? c'mon that's only the amount of people in your faction, doesn't take a rocketscientist to figure out brd fcc tkov chaos and remnant will help you out. They have so far mercwise :|
this post makes me think that your goal is to get FCC, TKoV, Chaos and Remnants to join in on hero_party's side. "oh well, we attacked hero_party cause it is totally an even fight cause we are also expecting 4 other factions to join in on their side... see? we aren't just big bullies!"
Also when we attacked Samarra castle, it was faction less, like 3 hours later it had the Hospi banner over it.
Remnants has no horse in this fight. I'm fighting for Hero Party because of my profound hatred for Aderyn. Fuck that guy.
Judging by their antagonistic raiding of S&D and failure to commit to their own words when they claim it will stop, this situation is probably what they're trying to orchestrate.
Does this mean Kutt, Chevaliers, NH, and all the other vassals and friends are going to war against Hero Party also? If you're all in one big alliance I guess that means you share enemies too.
Negotiations broke down and now there is war. War can always be stopped after battles and re negotiate.
Weve told our members to not take kutt and CHoas s/d any more since they have asked us to and more proper diplomatic channels for trade are established.
Looking forward to see you Merc for the enemy Canary. Ill be sure to target your hag chrone avatar exclusively with my bow.
And I was going to offer a KDR boosting party once we claimed it to knock down the population to regularity... Sigh...
Orders to concede the castle to hero_party: Confirmed
Besides we should be douches it's our god given right to step on smaller people and get rid of their filthy pagan ways. Because who's stopping us right now! Oh noes we getting a trolled on the forums! Hahaha hopefully things get interesting soon with all this douchebaggery we be doin.
Hey Brother! Perhaps you want to settle this in na3? oR maybe I need to ask for your address? :mad:
Negotiations broke down and now there is war. War can always be stopped after battles and re negotiate.Hey can we be friends? I like having buff friends. They protect me because I'm small and weak. I also don't appreciate being called small and weak so if I hear anyone insulting me in the future with any reference to being small and weak I will be severely frustrated and will cry in a corner until you apologize. That is all.
Weve told our members to not take kutt and CHoas s/d any more since they have asked us to and more proper diplomatic channels for trade are established.
Looking forward to see you Merc for the enemy Canary. Ill be sure to target your hag chrone avatar exclusively with my bow.
the fuck?
What are you even talking about, after you told me it was a problem i told him to stop trade in your territories and get out of there. Not even sure what your on about here to be honest.
PM continued north into another of our fiefs to raid another 500 S&D after you told him.
Popping in just to say that, the Norse Horde are vassals to no one. Never have been and odds are never will be.
the fuck?
What are you even talking about, after you told me it was a problem i told him to stop trade in your territories and get out of there. Not even sure what your on about here to be honest.
Not quite sure why Hosp is waring over one fief, through hope we can still do trade.
I think it's more of the fact that it's a 10 man faction that controls 8 fiefs and have no allies.
It's Hospitaller's fucking wet dream in the middle of the desert.
And Hospitallers are spergs.
SPERGS.(click to show/hide)
Besides we should be douches it's our god given right to step on smaller people and get rid of their filthy pagan ways. Because who's stopping us right now! Oh noes we getting a trolled on the forums! Hahaha hopefully things get interesting soon with all this douchebaggery we be doin.
Again it seems that we must put a muzzle on some of our more zealous members. I won't be jockying on the forums, so anyone who actually cares to know what is going on, or why we are doing it, should seek myself or a diplomat. These forums are ridiculous. People put way too much stock into what others say here.
he came into the ts just after he had done that, so after me yelling a little on him and telling him to drop of some cash in there he left your territory :|
I think it's more of the fact that it's a 10 man faction that controls 8 fiefs and have no allies.
It's Hospitaller's fucking wet dream in the middle of the desert.
And Hospitallers are spergs.
SPERGS.(click to show/hide)
We are the bottles
Hospitallers are the guy with the sword
There is no hope(click to show/hide)