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Also, in comparison to Native 2h'ing, cRPG 2h'ing is shockingly nerfed.
Just like everything else...
Ok, but what about Katana stab then????? :DStill OP, easy mode and instant.
Players were complaining of the game being too slow. Now we have a high speed attack that can be punished with anticipational blocking. Now they complain it's too fast.
There's a difference between "fast" and "instant". As for "anticipational blocking", I find myself getting hit with stabs all the time even though I think to myself before it happens, "He's gunna stab, block down" and I do... then die anyway.
Also, agree on greatsword thrusts - they've always been too powerful and had too much reach.
Players were complaining of the game being too slow. Now we have a high speed attack that can be punished with anticipational blocking. Now they complain it's too fast.crpg players are like women
Players were complaining of the game being too slow. Now we have a high speed attack that can be punished with anticipational blocking. Now they complain it's too fast.Maybe the main reason of the complaining is the fact that the only class that got that high speed attack fully working while still getting 65+ range is 2h....
Players were complaining of the game being too slow. Now we have a high speed attack that can be punished with anticipational blocking. Now they complain it's too fast.What do you mean punished? I chamber them all the time but they just block. That's with a 91 speed weapon, with which I remember being able to get the chamber hit in without them being able to block. Doesn´t work anymore. Blocking the stab rarely stuns them enough to get a free hit in, even with an early rightswing hit.
Players were complaining of the game being too slow. Now we have a high speed attack that can be punished with anticipational blocking. Now they complain it's too fast.everyone whine but paul in my opinion you cans make super fast stab attack combo 1 after 1
If you fail against instastabs - then you don't have enough of reaction. Anyway, instastabs is something that can be done only by high STR users or against no armour. If you whine that your 45 gold 10 armour Black Hood with Mask doesn't defend your face - good day sir, quit roleplaying ninjas.
Players were complaining of the game being too slow. Now we have a high speed attack that can be punished with anticipational blocking. Now they complain it's too fast.
If you fail against instastabs - then you don't have enough of reaction. Anyway, instastabs is something that can be done only by high STR users or against no armour. If you whine that your 45 gold 10 armour Black Hood with Mask doesn't defend your face - good day sir, quit roleplaying ninjas.So, if I pay 1mil for my weapons and you pay 10k for your head armor I should be able to beat you with no effort?
The problem with increased speed is that it makes ping differences a huge issue. I'd rather have added complexity than speed.I am on this boat if you asked me. I much prefer the slower (current) combat speed because it makes battles SOO much more interesting and variable.
So things like alternate attacks, fighting styles, etc.
Its funny, because back when the 2h stab was slow, people complained about itwat? Who, the 2h? Yeah they sure have nothing to complain anymore. Come on, how can you look at the current 2h stab and not think it is retarded? Just look at your average 2h's behaviour. They know their stab is fucking strong, and use it all the time.
Players were complaining of the game being too slow. Now we have a high speed attack that can be punished with anticipational blocking. Now they complain it's too fast.Yes, cause speeding up one specific attack for one class really adresses the slow game issue and not at all unbalances the pretty good balance that was there :rolleyes:
wat? Who, the 2h? Yeah they sure have nothing to complain anymore. Come on, how can you look at the current 2h stab and not think it is retarded? Just look at your average 2h's behaviour. They know their stab is fucking strong, and use it all the time.
Yes, cause speeding up one specific attack for one class really adresses the slow game issue and not at all unbalances the pretty good balance that was there :rolleyes:
I agree, the stab is the strongest attack on 2hs. But its no different from the right swing on polearms, or the left swing on 1hs. And what i meant is, people complained about the slow 2h stab because it would kind of hang out there for a second after the animation finished, because of how slow it was, so they could still get hit by it.No, it is completely different from the right swing on pole arms and the 1h swings.
There are downsides to the upside you reference for those weapons. 2h Does not have anything like that. It has the good (or best) side swings, and the best thrust.Actually, the thrust is the only 2h swing with a real downside. You're completely forgetting about thrust stun which is a major deterrent. I kill people all the time because of it. It's the reason why I favor the Miaodao and the Niuweidao.
Actually, the thrust is the only 2h swing with a real downside. You're completely forgetting about thrust stun which is a major deterrent. I kill people all the time because of it. It's the reason why I favor the Miaodao and the Niuweidao.No no, I'm not forgetting about it. Thrust stun sucks. It isn't even logical why the code has such a long thrust stun, 0.870 when others have much lower numbers for delay time.
I am 2h boy, I like to stab a lot, and i agree with that thread
sometimes I stab 3 times in the row like crazymotherfucker
This post immediately made me think of Forrest Gump... GJ rebel, gj.
Actually, the thrust is the only 2h swing with a real downside. You're completely forgetting about thrust stun which is a major deterrent. I kill people all the time because of it. It's the reason why I favor the Miaodao and the Niuweidao.
I used to hate it, but nowadays i just chamberblock 2h thrusts, they're so easy... :)I always used to do that, but it hits so weird now, either a bit early or a bit late. It's such a gamble if the chamber is going to work and even then they can block my overheads most of the time. The visual cue used to be correct. Just make sure your chamber meets the incoming blade, but that doesn't work at all anymore.
2h stab is by far the most ugly (ugly as in not realistic, looks like some kind of anime move that only people with super human strength could pull off effectively) animation in all of warband, and is almost used more than a 1h uses their left swing.Becuase the Flamberge is a worse yet more expensive version of the Great Long Bardiche?
the worst thing about the 2h stab is out ranging/out speeding spears/lances
Would be great to get an animation for 2h stabbing that actually made sense and didn't allow great sword users to kill cav ezpz or made the pole arm stab animations seem way more appealing than using the ez 2h stab.
(Who needs a long spear when you can use a GS, stab for support, and you got 4 directional attack for when you get singled out. + crazy speed, + crazy damage on all attack directions it's silliness that this hasn't really been dealt with.)
Why are the german/danish/longswords so much more popular than the flamberge?
2h stab is by far the most ugly (ugly as in not realistic, looks like some kind of anime move that only people with super human strength could pull off effectively) animation in all of warband, and is almost used more than a 1h uses their left swing.He's right at every single point though.
the worst thing about the 2h stab is out ranging/out speeding spears/lances
Would be great to get an animation for 2h stabbing that actually made sense and didn't allow great sword users to kill cav ezpz or made the pole arm stab animations seem way more appealing than using the ez 2h stab.
(Who needs a long spear when you can use a GS, stab for support, and you got 4 directional attack for when you get singled out. + crazy speed, + crazy damage on all attack directions it's silliness that this hasn't really been dealt with.)
Why are the german/danish/longswords so much more popular than the flamberge?
Also chambering 2h stab is relatively easy like all stabs.Bullshit, the 2h stab is fubar now and there is no logical explanation for when to chamber. It hits either early or very late, making it a complete gamble to chamber. All stabs are weird like that now though, it's just that its most noticable on 2h cause they continously abuse it now. Apart from that you should not bring an argument that involves chambering to a balance discussion as 95% of the population doesn't do it. The other 5% rarely does it on battle.
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I find 2h stab one of the easiest things to block. People who have have problems with it are too eager to chamber or go for next attack or outrange it. Funny thing is that there is thrust stun which can give you free hit and one of my favourite tactics are running little back and going in when the animation is at its end causing nice glance and free hit. When I wasn't entirely used to stabs length I just held my downblock till enemy striked and I hear clink or changed attack direction. Also chambering 2h stab is relatively easy like all stabs.I wonder why you use a danish gaysword, sure almost make it sound UP...
Those arguments are just retarded; pike is far more superior support weapon than great sword. I hope I dont' have to tell you Teeth reasons for that... Many things in this game are unrealistic so you can't go with realism line in everything.
Yeah I'm 2h user but you are long spear user and you approved last post acclaiming that long spear sucks. Probably most reason you can't chamber is your weapon (pike and long spear have some glitches like stabbing through people) because I don't have problems with it. I also have to deal with stabs like everyone else and some are better at it than others so yes I have to block them.
No teeth isn't.
Polearms can get almost instastab if they know what they are doing but it doesn't apply to longspears and pikes. Also swing length from sides (especially right swing) is huge and they have great damage. So yeah polearm is viable class.
2h can get 100% instant stab at facehug range on light armored guys due to being retardedly op.
And reasons why flamberge is not so popular is: Huge repair costs, slow, get stuck in crowds really easy, easy tk + swinging inside is almost impossible.
All those things applies to 50% of polearms so...
Those arguments are just retarded; pike is far more superior support weapon than great sword. I hope I dont' have to tell you Teeth reasons for that...Ofcourse it is. But the longspear has 86 speed, no overhead and is unbalanced as a trade off for being awesome in support. It's rather crap in a 1 vs 1. The German greatsword on the other hand. Gets a stab comparable to 170-180 length polearms, while having 4 excellent attack directions, 92 speed, it's not unbalanced and has awesome sideswing animations. It's arguably the best 1 vs 1 weapon and is pretty good in support aswell.
Yeah I'm 2h user but you are long spear user and you approved last post acclaiming that long spear sucks. Probably most reason you can't chamber is your weapon (pike and long spear have some glitches like stabbing through people) because I don't have problems with it. I also have to deal with stabs like everyone else and some are better at it than others so yes I have to block them.Nah, this experience comes from playing as a onehander aswell as playing with a german poleaxe. The chamber window of all stabs are pretty funky. You can't just rely on exactly meeting the incoming stab with t he chamber animation, cause the actual hit is way off when compared to the animation hit. Moreover, when I chamber a stab with a German Poleaxe overhead, they aren't actually stunned long enough most of the time and can just block.
Polearms can get almost instastab if they know what they are doing but it doesn't apply to longspears and pikes. Also swing length from sides (especially right swing) is huge and they have great damage. So yeah polearm is viable class.You need a polearm with about 135-140 range to have the same reach as a Danish and that is only with your rightswing and overhead. While he has that range with 3 of his attacks and ofcourse the almighty super ranged 2h stab. Not fantastic.
And reasons why flamberge is not so popular is: Huge repair costs, slow, get stuck in crowds really easy, easy tk + swinging inside is almost impossible.
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...u all whine to much, go play something else u whiners! :wink:Say that in a cav nerf QQ thread and the people eat your head. Guaranteed :mrgreen:
Say that in a cav nerf QQ thread and the people eat your head. Guaranteed :mrgreen:
Bullshit, the 2h stab is fubar now and there is no logical explanation for when to chamber. It hits either early or very late, making it a complete gamble to chamber. All stabs are weird like that now though, it's just that its most noticable on 2h cause they continously abuse it now. Apart from that you should not bring an argument that involves chambering to a balance discussion as 95% of the population doesn't do it. The other 5% rarely does it on battle.
2h stab is OP, the only ones who I saw disagree are 2h that use their stab and claim it's balanced because it has stab stun. Newsflash, so does the polearm stab, what does the polearm stab have going for it? That's right, nothing.
What he said. 2h excels at everything.