Going to a battle equipped with a pike or equipped with a wienerwurst should be about the same fun. Perhaps the wiener is even to prefer, because it won't hurt that much when your enemies shove it up your ass.I lol'd. Maybe they'll be extra nice and shove the wurst down ur throat.
I lol'd. Maybe they'll be extra nice and shove the wurst down ur throat.
- Pikes are more dependant on other players than any other class ingame (this point counts at least ten times more than any other)In my opinion they should be support weapons, so... yeah, they need other players around :lol:
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pretty sure if im half a foot away from someones face they shouldn't be able to gut stab me with a pike.....
You are right. That's why you can't stab people directly in front of you with a pike. The weapon has no "hitbox" there (?).
pretty sure if im half a foot away from someones face they shouldn't be able to gut stab me with a pike.....
seems like ppl just accept ridiculous things we've had all along in place of arguing over new shit
pretty sure if I stab your face the weapon at your waist shouldn't be able to block it.....
seems like ppl just accept ridiculous things we've had all along in place of arguing over new shit
that was sarcasm, both the longspear and pike for some reason can haft stab at that range for full dmg, maybe not anymore on battle? but on siege has always been like that
that has to do with the animation you silly cunt, did you even read the issue? down block for thrusts fine, you really think if your up against someone you should be able to hit with the tip of a weapon thats about 6 feet away, behind your target
If they block me when I do this, I'll be vulnerable for almost a full second because of the extreme thrust-stun the slow weapons have.
All weapon have insane thrust stuns.Not 2h, just sayin'.
Not 2h, just sayin'.
- Pikes are three slot weapons
- Pikes are not sheathable (= no shield possible)
- Pikes have only one attack direction
- Pikes got affected the most by the turn speed nerf
- Pikes are unbalanced
- Pikes have the lowest speed ingame, except of a few crushthrough weapons
- Pikes are more dependant on other players than any other class ingame (this point counts at least ten times more than any other)
- Pikes do have the greatsword stab values, which are absolutely mediocre. Compare with other polearms. I don't see the point in your comparison.
- Pikes glance in at least half of all cases
- Pikes do NOT do a ton of damage (look above, the greatsword vs. pike point), unless the player is a strength crutcher. In this case, any weapon will cause severe damage.
- Pikes are unusable in narrow spaces or on slopes like hills. Thank god hills are so rare on maps :rolleyes:
I encourage you to create a STF character and try playing pike yourself. You will cry rivers. Going to a battle equipped with a pike or equipped with a wienerwurst should be about the same fun. Perhaps the wiener is even to prefer, because it won't hurt that much when your enemies shove it up your ass.
Same goes for longspears.
Their thrust damage is the same as danish/german gs, combined with the high speedbonus those weapons get for being so slow the damage is just too much, not to mention the new polearm stab and their reach. All together, pikes and longspears have become one of the best melee weapons in game. Those weapons are meant to be used as support weapons in melee fight or as anti-cav weapons, not some 1hitting monsters.
So i came up with one solutions that might return those clumsy poles back to their place, while they still could remain usefull as support/anti-cav weapons.
Firstly, nerf their damage to ground! :twisted: I'd start with -4 to their damage for starters, then see how things go. Damage nerf simply to reduce the killing power of these things. Pikes can still be used in melee fights to force the enemy to hold his downblock or risk getting hit and stunned, but they no longer take 70% of your hp in 1 hit.
Now ofc, pikes and longspears would become even more useless against cav. So some changes need to be made so they can kill horses once again. And my solution will bring the wrath of all cav players down upon me, but I'm ready to take that burden for myself to carry :wink: :
When a horse is forced to rear (stand up on it's hindlegs) by a polearm's thrust or the horse running into a wall, the horse will take damage. The amount of damage done should ofc depend on the horses speed. Not sure how much damage would be reasonable, since adding something like would probably change the way cavalry needs to be played. But something like this would be bring an interesting change towards a morealistic battlefield (no more players riding into walls when couching others), and the change would probably be just as big as the weapon slot system :wink:
I'm not if this is possible to do, since I'm no modder. But as a thought it sounds nice to me.
Duration of the thrust stun is dependent on weapon speed. You can mostly recover from the thrust stun to even block chambers as a 1h.
Can you imagine Craftybadger being pretty much the only one who was a pure piker (longspear) over a year back?wat
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watSpring 2011, there was barely anyone using purely the pike as a main weapon.
You aren't stunned after chambers at all if you didn't noticed it yet.What? Is that just for 1h, can't say people chamber my thrusts much, but 2h and polearm gets stunned hard if I chamber their thrust.
that was sarcasm, both the longspear and pike for some reason can haft stab at that range for full dmg, maybe not anymore on battle? but on siege has always been like that
Well. Like Joker86 suggested, I made a piker alt with 15/24 build and using a 1handed sidearm. I used 11k gold (started with nord nobleman outfit :lol:) to gear myself up and played for a few hours.
With only my long spear, iberian mace (which I have to use about once every 5 rounds) and leather jacket + some shitty boots I right now have 1,6 k/d ratio + valor almost all the time (new eez.to.get-valor) So yep, I'm not convinced that piking/poking with a longspear is hard, at least not as hard as archery :lol: But it looks like that the majority of the community does not agree with me on that.
Spring 2011, there was barely anyone using purely the pike as a main weapon.
What? Is that just for 1h, can't say people chamber my thrusts much, but 2h and polearm gets stunned hard if I chamber their thrust.
Thrust getting blocked = baseStun * 0.55
Swing getting blocked = baseStun * 0.35
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I kind of had a feeling thrust stun was shorter on chambers. It always felt like pikes/LS could recover a bit too fast when I chamber them. Nice to have the numbers.
By the way, any chance we could ever get a long ass thread that details a bunch of these formulas?
I kind of had a feeling thrust stun was shorter on chambers. It always felt like pikes/LS could recover a bit too fast when I chamber them. Nice to have the numbers.Still, the decrease in attack duration after you chamber compared to a regular attack is probably a lot more significant than the 27% reduction in stun time?
By the way, any chance we could ever get a long ass thread that details a bunch of these formulas?
Still, the decrease in attack duration after you chamber compared to a regular attack is probably a lot more significant than the 27% reduction in stun time?
Any opinions on that epic cav nerf? Exept SoO's
Well, a few hours is not enough. Apparently you had a good round or two, but I'd like to see your reaction when things are not going so well. Having a 5:8 ratio doesn't prove a lot. Try playing more, experience the darkest moments of piking, and then decide.
Of course things are different when you play together with clan mates or friends via teamspeak. In this case a pike indeed is highly effective.
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pretty sure if im half a foot away from someones face they shouldn't be able to gut stab me with a pike.....
seems like ppl just accept ridiculous things we've had all along in place of arguing over new shit
Not all of us wants to play the flavor of theMe neither, but do you see me whining like a little bitch? 8-)monthyear or follow the "If you can't beat them, join them" bullshit.