Stop this pike madness!!

[Lennu]

[Kirbies]

Honestly I like the way they are right now, they are quite horrible by themselves, but are great support weapons.

[Joker86]

- Pikes are three slot weapons
- Pikes are not sheathable (= no shield possible)
- Pikes have only one attack direction
- Pikes got affected the most by the turn speed nerf
- Pikes are unbalanced
- Pikes have the lowest speed ingame, except of a few crushthrough weapons
- Pikes are more dependant on other players than any other class ingame (this point counts at least ten times more than any other)
- Pikes do have the greatsword stab values, which are absolutely mediocre. Compare with other polearms. I don't see the point in your comparison.
- Pikes glance in at least half of all cases
- Pikes do NOT do a ton of damage (look above, the greatsword vs. pike point), unless the player is a strength crutcher. In this case, any weapon will cause severe damage.
- Pikes are unusable in narrow spaces or on slopes like hills. Thank god hills are so rare on maps 

I encourage you to create a STF character and try playing pike yourself. You will cry rivers. Going to a battle equipped with a pike or equipped with a wienerwurst should be about the same fun. Perhaps the wiener is even to prefer, because it won't hurt that much when your enemies shove it up your ass.

[Havoco]

Going to a battle equipped with a pike or equipped with a wienerwurst should be about the same fun. Perhaps the wiener is even to prefer, because it won't hurt that much when your enemies shove it up your ass.

I lol'd. Maybe they'll be extra nice and shove the wurst down ur throat.

[Joker86]

I lol'd. Maybe they'll be extra nice and shove the wurst down ur throat.

They do. But unfortunately only after the ass action.

[Lennu]

- Pikes are more dependant on other players than any other class ingame (this point counts at least ten times more than any other)

In my opinion they should be support weapons, so... yeah, they need other players around 

But you're right about the three slot thingy, once you take a pike you're really stuck with it. Altho there are plenty of 1slot weapons for you to choose from... all the 1handers at least

And the slow attack speed really is the key to their insane speed bonuses. The slower the attack is, the greater the effect the characters movement speed has.

Any opinions about the change for cavalry?

[Malaclypse]

IMO they should just remove all weapons outside of pikes, long spears, and long mauls from the game.

[Gurnisson]

The low speed and using the speed bonus is a double-edged sword. You make it sounds like it's got nothing bad about it. To deal good damage with my pike (69 speed) I need to move forward while my enemy moves forward and stab them in the face. If they block me when I do this, I'll be vulnerable for almost a full second because of the extreme thrust-stun the slow weapons have. That's at least one free hit if my enemy knows how to play, though there's a lot of two-handers that try to impress me with their feinting when getting close which actually gives me time to recover.

Pikes are only average anti-cav weapons. Bamboo spear, bill and awlpikes are better anti-cav weapons because of their damage, speed and their lack of length (yes, lack of length). You might disagree with me there, but I did more anti-cav work while being dedicated with those three weapons than I do as a piker. Almost no cav dares going anywhere close to me with the long pike, even when I try to pretend that I'm not paying attention by the use of the view outfit button. With the awlpikes, bill and bamboo you can punish a cavalry you rear quite hard because you have the speed to attack the reared cavalry several times and the damage to bring the rider to the ground and kill him while he's helpless. You can also outfight several cavalry at once, something you can't do with a pike because of how slow it is. The number of times horses run, away even after up to 5-6 pike stabs are amazing. That's why I usually go for the rider when possible, because that's a certain one-hit (on a charging one, mind you)

Bamboo Spear, awlpikes and bill are better anti-cav weapons, more damaging and better up close than pikes.
Pikes packs a good punch while used right and have a deadly impact in larger group where they can punish the ones in the enemy front-line.

[Joseph Porta]

Pikes do too much dmg 2 hits on coat of plates(6if) and im down to 20%, if they arent headshots that is.

Sometimes I wonder what I pay upkeep for.

[oohillac]

downblock

[Zanze]

downblock

[Smoothrich]

to be honest the turn nerf (and earlier activation) to thrusts was an insane buff to stabs on all weapons, polearms are probably the most OP now, since they all have retardedly high thrust damage and speed or footwork don't matter because the thrust is instant at any reach

before you had to lolstab to not glance, now you can stab in any situation for an instant perfect high damage hit, and still 180 jump stab if you delay your release

[dodnet]

Pike/long spear is fine. And: they aren't as good as anti cav as some think, because every cav just avoids them like hell. I kill much more cav with my fine Light Lance.

[Nehvar]

Pikes are fine.  There wouldn't be so many of them if there weren't cav everywhere.

[Ragnar]

pretty sure if im half a foot away from someones face they shouldn't be able to gut stab me with a pike.....

seems like ppl just accept ridiculous things we've had all along in place of arguing over new shit