if crossbow difficulty is based on power draw then every ranged will just go xbow, because wiht PD 6+++ you can 1 shot anyone with arbalest
So you're suggesting to give the hx an even better crossbow than they have...
Right now they can only use a hunting crossbow or a light crossbow. You have a cranequin crossbow, which is even better than the normal crossbow, which they cannot currently use. But with your explanation, the hx's will be able to use all cranequin crossbows. The light crossbow damage is 46, your new cranequin crossbow is 60. Stealth hx buff? No thank you.
The high tier bows take 50% hp per body hit too. Just saying...
any ranged can already take an arbalest and one shot anyone.
any ranged can already take an arbalest and one shot anyone.
mostly all archers wear very light gear due to the fact they need more accuracy and can die from 1 bolt to MW heavy crossbow/ arbalest. Crossbow accuracy is very accurateOk so I got 15 str 0 if and 31 body armor. I never got oneshot by either MW Arbalest or MW Rus Bow. They both need 2 shots. And a Rus Bow user can shoot three arrows in the same time as a Arbalest user shoots one bolt.
you have to be accurate with the arbalest, long reload time, a lvl 14 can indeed wield an arbalest, but it would still be the same if you added PD, makes no difference. And he would be very inaccuarate
i want you to go and play a gen of Arbalest and then rethink.
Ok so I got 15 str 0 if and 31 body armor. I never got oneshot by either MW Arbalest or MW Rus Bow. They both need 2 shots. And a Rus Bow user can shoot three arrows in the same time as a Arbalest user shoots one bolt.BULLSHIT
Crossbowing is in no way boring, at least if you reach a certain amounth of maturity and patience.
While other points are debatable, these two are absolutely not true.
1. Xbows are rather expensive.
2. Try using xbow with 1 wpf(your, "anyone can use them" argument) and you will go broke pretty soon.
The 1h melee weapons are very good though.
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Arrows easily break 3 times faster than your bow/xbow, in wich you have invested wpf, and if you use two slots of them... feel the pain...
Also, an Arbalet user consider only taking one slot of steel bolts, since it's indeed pretty long to shoot/move/reload.
And archer with only one slot of bodkin arrows is useless after having shot 17 times (if he heirloomed the arrows), in wich he probably missed 60% of the shots, thanks to the slow missile speed, and less accuracy.
Crossbows fill the same function as Bows. Deliver damage from a distance.
Pros:
-More accurate
-Easier to aim, hold aim until perfect.
-Faster missilespeed(harder to dodge,less jediskills needed to predict the future)
-Hits harder
-Cheap upkeep compared to bows and arrows.
-Can be used by anyone at any level without making any sacrefices from a perfect meleebuild and gear.
-Can reload/"draw" in a safe and timely manner.(Animation also makes you a smaller target)
Cons:
-Slower rate of repeated fire.(A preloaded crossbow will be faster than any archer delivering the 1st shot).
BULLSHIT
i have 18 strengh 45 body armor (mw light strange armor+mw mail gauntlet) and i get one shot everyday by a mw arba
somethime those have no mw bolts
we did some test in battle there is no bonus speed
im static the mw arba shot me in body and get os
want a fraps proof ?
Lol. I've been preaching this bullshit since strat 1. Who cares if xbows were able to be used by everyone? IMO it would be better balanced if xbows has a stat contribution like all the other ranged.
Xbows already do have stat contribution..The problem is that it's just not deep enough. In other words, its not or rewarding enough to go with 150 wpf over say, 50 WPF; especially with the regular crossbows. Currently, the Arbalest is fine in that if you dont devote the proper amount of WPF you wont be hitting shit consistently and even with body shots and arm shots the damage is pretty negligible most of the time. Rain doesn't even need to be mentioned at this point. It the regular crossbow that is such an issue now in my opinion.
Indeed. Good damage output, relatively fast and cheap, plenty of accuracy even with 1 wpf, and 1 slot to boot so you can take 2 stacks of bolts, or a 2 slot weapon, which basically puts a hybrid Crossbow + melee user on par in melee with a pure melee user, as opposed to the 2 slot xbows that have to use a 1 slot melee weapon and demand good accuracy due to their rate of fire.
Perhaps making at least the "Crossbow" 2 slots might help with this. Though to be honest I'd rather not see all the current "Crossbow" + 2 slot melee players just switch to the light crossbow. They won't be as effective, but that also means they won't be helping their team as much.
Archer
3/4 slots used
MW Hornbow 27p Upkeep: 552 gold
MW Bodkins 2p Upkeep: 354 gold 17 ammo
MW Bodkins 2p Upkeep: 354 gold 17 ammo
Ammo : 34 arrows
Upkeep : 1260 gold
Damage 5PD:49.3 6PD:53.4p 7PD:57.4p 8PD:61.5p 9PD:65.5p
without adjusting for wpf and STR, this can be negative when under 100 and positive over 100. You must have 14 wpf per PD.
Crossbowman 3/4 slots used.
MW Crossbow 62p upkeep: 733 gold 1 ammo
MW Bolts 5p upkeep: 13 gold 16 ammo
MW Bolts 5p upkeep: 13 gold 16 ammo
Ammo : 33 bolts
Upkeep : 759 gold
Damage : 67p
Wpf will reduce upkeep on bow and crossbow. The ammo upkeep can not be reduced.
However for the crossbowman that is not a problem, since it cost next to nothing.
The archer will have tied up most of his wpf in archery and atleast 10 skillpoints or more in PD and WM.
He must also stay on the low side, armorwise else face penalties in wpf.
The crossbowman can decide how much wpf he want to use on crossbow, its optional.
Reduces upkeep,reloadtime and improves aiming slightly.
upkeep on archersetupweapons is without adjusting for increased breakage of arrows,they break alot!
66% more than the crossbow setup.
And should the crossbowuser wish to get real fancy and get +11p with MW steelbolts its only 179gold upkeep per stack with 13 ammo.
Archer could use regular cheap cut arrows, but there is a big diffrence between cut and pierce.
With PD6 MW hornbow and 163 wpf in archery vs a typical level 30 2hander(60 Bodyarmor 60 HP).
Mw Bordkins 2-4 bodyshots
MW Tatar 2-6 bodyshots
MW Barbed 3-6 bodyshots
MW Arrows 3-8 bodyshots
unloomed Arrows 3-10 bodyshots.
(From the bow damage calc)
If you want to do anything else than stun with hornbow, you need bodkins.
Crossbows&bolts are very attractive to loom vs bow&arrowgear.
Sorry for obsessive posting, but these are facts to my best knowledge.
blah-blah-blah and nothing more. How I love these mathematics geniuses who try to prove that crossbows are better than bows just looking at the raw damage. Lets look at situations where archery with hornbow is better than Crossbow:
1) Open field. Crossbow slow and for the whole time you're realoding - you can't move. If you move - you reload is wasted. If you got touched - same. So you can be just ganked by anyone with anything to stop you from reloading. And to say more - you're an easy target.
2) Massive fights. Dude, have you ever calculated damage per minute for crossbows and bows? Do it then, if you're such a genius.
3) Fights again cavalry. Cavalry will won't just let you to reload, ranged horsemen will rape you to death while you still have chances to kill (more than they have chances to kill you) with your bow.
4) Kiting. Crossbowers can't kite.
5) Duels against other ranged. If a crossbowman misses - he dies. He can't 1shot you with a crossbow (if it's not a headshot), so he'll die anyway.
6) Rain. It makes crossbows 25% worse (-25% to bolt speeed => ~-25% of damage), so they become useless shit and they're way different to shoot. It's only 10% for archery which is barely visible since it's only 0.9 points of missile speed bigger difference than between regular hornbow and masterwork hornbow.
7) Amount of ammo. Enough said. If you say that it's easier to say because crossbowmen aim longer - do it with your bow. I've joined a server with my archer alt and made 9:0 in the very first round. Aim, drop your aim, aim, drop your aim, aim, shoot, boom headshot.
8) Health points. Archers have more of them due to bigger strength (in most cases)
9) Strategus. Bows and arrows are way cheaper so strategus battles always have more bows and arrows than crossbows
10) You can use Horn Bow on the horse back. You can't reload crossbow on the horse.
11) The weight of horn bow is only 1.2, the weight of crossbow is 3, so having 2 packs of steel bolts + xbow will be 0.2weight more than hornbow + 2 bodkins.