Eradicate the invasion of crossbows !

[matt2507]

[_Tak_]

The chance for bolts to break is much less than arrows, arrows often break pretty much every single round, and arbalest can 1/2 shot people no matter what armor they use, ofc people are now going for xbow...

go ahead and try the build like 47/3 or 15/30 (With 10 WM), you reload extremely fast like heavy crossbow and you can pretty much 1 shot anyone, if you shoot a tincan at close range he can lost like 90% of health (Using MW arbalest + MW steel bolt with 10 WM) Xbow is OP as it is, in battle people always think when they lose alot of health to ranged must be archer, but in fact they got shot by arbalesters...

[Silveredge]

So you're suggesting to give the hx an even better crossbow than they have...

Right now they can only use a hunting crossbow or a light crossbow.  You have a cranequin crossbow, which is even better than the normal crossbow, which they cannot currently use.  But with your explanation, the hx's will be able to use all cranequin crossbows.  The light crossbow damage is 46, your new cranequin crossbow is 60.  Stealth hx buff?  No thank you.

[matt2507]

if crossbow difficulty is based on power draw then every ranged will just go xbow, because wiht PD 6+++ you can 1 shot anyone with arbalest

any ranged can already take an arbalest and one shot anyone.

I have not done this for nerf or buff a particular class.
I did this because each class must specialize, whether it's archer, Shielder, thrower, etc.., and only those damn Xbow we do not need specialization.

So you're suggesting to give the hx an even better crossbow than they have...

Right now they can only use a hunting crossbow or a light crossbow.  You have a cranequin crossbow, which is even better than the normal crossbow, which they cannot currently use.  But with your explanation, the hx's will be able to use all cranequin crossbows.  The light crossbow damage is 46, your new cranequin crossbow is 60.  Stealth hx buff?  No thank you.

This is an example of stats, it's the devs who choose, not me.
it may take only the first 2 if they wish.

And look at the stats, the damage is increased but there are also disadvantages.

[Molly]

The high tier bows take 50% hp per body hit too. Just saying...

[_Tak_]

The high tier bows take 50% hp per body hit too. Just saying...

mostly all archers wear very light gear due to the fact they need more accuracy and can die from 1 bolt to MW heavy crossbow/ arbalest. Crossbow accuracy is very accurate

any ranged can already take an arbalest and one shot anyone.

I played arbalester for few gens too, it doesn't always 1 shot anyone, it can if you shoot them really really close + speed bonus (Still it depend on the person's HP and armor) , but arbalest is very deadly still, you can 2 shot an tincan. Try that build with 15/30. No ath with 10 WM, your chance to 1 shot people largely increase , most fun build i ever played with MW arbalest + MW steel bolts

I also know str affect crossbow 's damage, so try very high str with arbalest you can 1 shot people too. If you don't mind about upkeep use this one: 47/3, accuracy is low, but you can actually 1 shot most people

[Strudog]

any ranged can already take an arbalest and one shot anyone.

Are you stupid?

I have been using an Arbalest for 6 gens and would say i am not too bad with it, i have stopped going arbalest because it is less useful than a bow, it does not one shot people (maybe peasants wearing robes but sometimes not). They have a huge disadvantage in a 1v1 duel against archers as it dosent 1 hit archers at all (maybe when face to Face). If you are a Normal 2 hander it only takes half the health.

So you 2 hander heroes can jog on if you want any crossbow to be nerfed before those stupid 2h lol stabs and feints

[matt2507]

no I'm not stupid, what I find stupid is a Paysant lvl14 can make the same thing as what you just said simply while having all its points in strength.

[Strudog]

you have to be accurate with the arbalest, long reload time, a lvl 14 can indeed wield an arbalest, but it would still be the same if you added PD, makes no difference. And he would be very inaccuarate

i want you to go and play a gen of Arbalest and then rethink.

Every class has there strengths, with the Arbalest it is the damage, and also has its weakness, reload time.

[Blackbow]

i can just agree
xbow is so easy mode ....

when somethime i can see some guys reloading as same speed as a bow that make me crazy
the first xbow (hunting crossbow) should be slower to reload than every bow ....
http://youtu.be/HagCuGXJgUs

they have no point to spend in any special skills ...
imo if u are bored to see archers run everywhere .... u should do like xbower and remove pd that could be allow archers to increase their melee skills ...

but imo the real solution is to add power draw to xbower just for make them spend some point and
to justify the huge damage, the range and accuracy of xbow,arba....

just small reminder a mw arba with mw still bolt can one shot ppl with 18 strengh and 45 bodies armor without aim for the head = easy mode

XBOW IS EASY MODE NERF IT !!!

im bored to see any redneck without skill be able to take any crossbow/arba and do huge damage wihout any point to spend...

[BlackMilk]

mostly all archers wear very light gear due to the fact they need more accuracy and can die from 1 bolt to MW heavy crossbow/ arbalest. Crossbow accuracy is very accurate

Ok so I got 15 str 0 if and 31 body armor. I never got oneshot by either MW Arbalest or MW Rus Bow. They both need 2 shots. And a Rus Bow user can shoot three arrows in the same time as a Arbalest user shoots one bolt.

[matt2507]

you have to be accurate with the arbalest, long reload time, a lvl 14 can indeed wield an arbalest, but it would still be the same if you added PD, makes no difference. And he would be very inaccuarate

Indeed, with the PowerDraw, it may also take a crossbow.
But each point in powerdraw is one point less in powerstrike or weapon master, etc.

i want you to go and play a gen of Arbalest and then rethink.

I did some testing with my 2H and a skip the fun.
what is most impressive is with my 2H, bolts go all right they are as accurate as my archer lvl 25 with any wpf ...

[Blackbow]

Ok so I got 15 str 0 if and 31 body armor. I never got oneshot by either MW Arbalest or MW Rus Bow. They both need 2 shots. And a Rus Bow user can shoot three arrows in the same time as a Arbalest user shoots one bolt.

BULLSHIT
i have 18 strengh 45 body armor (mw light strange armor+mw mail gauntlet) and i get one shot everyday by a mw arba
somethime those have no mw bolts

we did some test in battle there is no bonus speed
im static the mw arba shot me in body and get os

want a fraps proof ?

[CrazyCracka420]

I think the bows should do more damage than the crossbow and lighter xbows.  A hand crank crossbow was about 1/2 to 1/3 as strong as some of the stronger bows of the era.  Even the Arbalest would have only done about the same damage as a Long bow, and it would have taken about as long as it does in game to reload with a crane-quin. 

[Zanze]

At first, I read the stats and thought you were drop dead stupid for suggesting a STRONGER and more accurate crossbow for xbow-cav. Then I saw it required PD-6. Fine by me, once you remember to drop the stats on each and every crossbow to compensate for the PD bonus.

For others frame of reference, to get PD-6 you can't get HA 4+. Not being able to get HA 4+ means they might try a more balanced build, which means slower horses and crap accuracy. (Rohy, best xbow cav, uses a 7-30 build. He wouldn't be able to touch any of the higher end xbows.)