its a simulation game
accept the pike.
If someone took the sharp, pointy end of a pike (or spear or other polearm) and held it against my chest at close range, and then pushed said pike, it would hurt me anyway.
its a simulation game
This game isn't meant to be realistic.
I rest my case.
so you want toruinfix pikeeven more?
this is a balance issue, not a realism issue.
edit: actually, i think its more of a glitch/bug that needs to be corrected.
The game is in many, many, many ways realistic.
Also, its true that pikes can stab when ppl or things are too close to them. When the pike is held back, you can stand to where the point is past you, but when they thrust you'll still get stabbed.
They can also "curve stab" around walls and through windows.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
All boohoo-don't-nerf-my-weapon people need to understand that while the pike and many long weapons are now balanced with the GLITCH TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, they can just as well be balanced ONCE IT'S FIXED through STAT changes.
You want to cover your buddies with a pike? Be sure to be covered in return, or prepare sidearm.
That's something I would like. It would also help the game be more dynamic. I already do that with my hoplite. If I'm about to be overrun, or someone's trying to facehug me, I pull out my sword which auto drops my ashwood pike. Once I kill them, I pick my pike back up again.
Oh wow, it's been a while since we've had a NARF PIKE I CANT BLCOK DOWN thread.
PROTIP: Block down, wait for thrust stun: profit.
Read - the - words.
Hell, someone even painted a PICTURE for you.
I read them fine, point is the only way to "fix" the pike is to change fundamental game mechanics which would have a serious impact on every other weapon as well. Every single weapon in the game can stab with it's full length, so explain to me why you only expect the pike to not be able to do this?
So again: Block down, all your problems are solved.
i don't get what your sayin. The pike is weaker than ever.
3 slots, unshealthable, no overhead swing, only 24 pierce, lower speed.
#1 Pike is NOT the ultimate anti cav weapon by a LONG shot. Frankly it's a pretty shitty anti cav weapon unless the cav is just retarded. Longspear is vastly superior in that regard, and even then they're really only useful for blockading cav.A pike is a good anti cav wep, no way you lose vs a cav unless you are a total fool.
#2 I'm not giving the 1v1 scenario except in regards to jumpspins, and you can't make the pike unable to 1v1 or it'll just be so much less useful than other weapons that it won't be worth having. It is simply not possible to avoid such scenarios completely.A pike is a support wep. That means a piker should be near teammates supporting them from a little distance. No you cant always avoid a 1v1, just like archers cant always avoid melee. Thats a game for ya, you cant always survive every scenario.
#3 Pikes aren't good all around weapons as is unless the opponent doesn't know how to: DOWN BLOCK. They're already support weapons, only against foolish people can they 1v1.Thats what i said in my last post, pike ARENT an allround wep.
pponent with good footwork and a decently fast weapon. I've been Piking for 7, almost 8 gens now, and used the Long Spear the gen before that, believe me I know how to switch to my sidearm.
#4 Pikes are already the worst close range weapons.I say you win on close range vs a bow.
#5 Switching right after a block doesn't work against an opponent with good footwork and a decently fast weapon. I've been Piking for 7, almost 8 gens now, and used the Long Spear the gen before that, believe me I know how to switch to my sidearm.You make it sound like you die every time you have to swap weps. If you are a decent player and you know your blocks fakes and footwork you should not have problems switching to your sidearm. Ofc you will fail sometimes, again, its a game, you wont always survive.
sooo yer, i just tried the poking from pike inside a person, and people claining that it works are bull shitting, it doesn't it just bounces.
well thats not what you said the 1st time, you said with the pike tip behind them when you thrust
or someone did
if pike/long spear can stab me from 50 cm distance, can you please make my 1h sword stab reach 300 cm?
The pike could easily be fixed but people seem to be against the idea.
The pike is, however, as broken and messed up as can be. It's meant to be a weapon that's easy to manufacture and use, a weapon you could arm hordes of peasants with. At the moment it is way too expensive, it has only one attack, it can block and it cannot be braced. It's all stupid and ridiculous. The thing is that some idiots decided that it had to be a viable "main" weapon. It had to be able to block and be used at extremely close range to satisfy those morons and now we're stuck with a broken pike. The way to fix the pike is to make it a lot cheaper so that those who actually need it can use it. Having a pike so you can stand behind your more powerful allies is great for a low-level pesant struggling to learn how cRPG is. Giving it a high stab would allow two pikemen to work together and defend each other from charging enemies, it'd promote team work! Making it unable to block would mean that it'll have to STAY a support weapon so you can't simply use it point blank. It'd be necessary to have a sidearm but if the pike got more affordable you could easily have both. Make it braceable. This worked great in Deluge and it would allow pikemen to defend valuable allies from horsemen or to protect choke points. The pike could easily be fixed but the problem is that some high-level oafs don't want the pike to be fixed, because those kuyak-dimwits like their messed up fantasy looks.
FIX THE PIKE ALREADY! It's not meant to work like this and you could easily fix it in terms of realism AND balance. Why bother having historically accurate names if all you're keeping is the name and the looks? Make it work like it should :P
Also, Guiness is a lovely beer.
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I find it funny that thepikemen/longspearmenCommunityareis lobbying about as hard asCavalrythey always does, coming up with all the bogus reasons they can possibly find.
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Making the Pike unable to block doesn't promote teamwork, it promotes people to never ever EVER touch the pike. Please try playing a pikeman before you suggest such nonsense.
Oh, and the Pike wasn't used by peasants, you're thinking of spears. Making a Pike required an extremely long piece of good, straight, wood, which, while not near as expensive as the metal for a knight's armor or such, was not cheap. A pikeman would also be outfitted with a dagger or sword, which would not be needed in the case of a spear, making a pikeman further more expensive to outfit. Now, again, they weren't nearly as expensive as a knight, but they were far more expensive than the peasant gear you're thinking of.
Here is the argument that for some reason has not been disputed yet.
You argue realism for a pike being able to block? I argue realism for you to be able to block a stab to the face while your "block" is holding your weapon horizontal at the hip. You want to make me unable to block? Fine, then for the sake of realism you shouldn't be able to block my stab by holding your weapon at your waist. Directional block depending on where I am stabbing. Too hard to block against? Then don't argue realism against spears.