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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: dreamer2008 on July 21, 2012, 03:02:15 pm
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Seriously, the first few level its very very annoying. Who had this idea to make such a horrible start? I don't have the patience to go on and see if the next levels start to get better, and as a new player I am about to just quit the mod. I have absolutely no chance against anybody, and I am getting killed in one shot, and having stones as ranged weapon and no shield, its insulting honestly.
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If you're new and you can't block you're still gonna suck once you ain't a peasant, the peasant start is pretty fucking fun, and after level 12 you can already start doing good if you're a decent player with a decent build and a decent weapon.
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and theres the skip the fun option, in case you dont want to level at all!
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But I do want to level, but I don't want it to be so absurd in its start requirements. I don't see the fun in getting killed with no chance all the time. What's the point in playing in that case? I just want a small fighting chance, not being and not intending to be an expert in duels using sticks and stones.
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"If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again." Hickson, William E.
^ hard way to learn but once you start raping it feels a lot better :)
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Seriously, the first few level its very very annoying. Who had this idea to make such a horrible start? I don't have the patience to go on and see if the next levels start to get better, and as a new player I am about to just quit the mod. I have absolutely no chance against anybody, and I am getting killed in one shot, and having stones as ranged weapon and no shield, its insulting honestly.
what would you say if i told you that i starded as peasant 13 times?
Don't know why you bich so much,u are usless until you get to lvl 27,and getting from lvl 1 to 20 is very easy.
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What you like is very different to what I like it seems. Being useless until lvl 27, which I suspect its a long time, doesn't sound like fun, it sounds masochistic.
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what would you say if i told you that i starded as peasant 13 times?
Don't know why you bich so much,u are usless until you get to lvl 27,and getting from lvl 1 to 20 is very easy.
You're wrong, me beating you on my level 12 alt that one time should prove it :P, as long as you go pure STR at low levels you'll be fine.
I'd say with a none pure-str melee build level 21 is mostly when you start being effective, and dreamer, there is a low level server around so that peasant can fight other peasants with rocks and sickles without some level 35 kuyak my old friends gayswording.
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Please explain me how can my 1h shielder char can be effective in combat?
Currently i am lvl 20,and i have 21 str,7 ps,and 3 athl.
I need 5 athl min to not get spammed every time and to not be ranged practice target.
Since i have 9 agi now,i need 6 more lvl to be able to fight properly.
Don't bother with 20lvl max server,it is infested with HA,so one guy will have 100 arrows and he will avoid fight and shoot your team to pices alone.
No way you can win.
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Please explain me how can my 1h shielder char can be effective in combat?
Currently i am lvl 20,and i have 21 str,7 ps,and 3 athl.
I need 5 athl min to not get spammed every time and to not be ranged practice target.
Since i have 9 agi now,i need 6 more lvl to be able to fight properly.
Don't bother with 20lvl max server,it is infested with HA,so one guy will have 100 arrows and he will avoid fight and shoot your team to pices alone.
No way you can win.
That's the issue, you're a shielder, play something op like 2h and you'll do fine, and, I'm playing a 1h cloth alt with only 7 ps and 3 ath and I don't feel up, 1h is also the weakest melee class anyway, and on maxlvl 20 there is only 1 ha atm, me, and plenty of ground ranged sidearms (stones, xbows, axes) like 4 guys to take me down.
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I don't know why leveling is in the game at all, I don't enjoy it and don't see the need for it. Still, peasant stage is easily bearable when you just change your goals. Don't expect to be topping the scoreboard.
When I started playing I wasn't ever going to be able to compete. I played for an entire month, and believe me, I played a lot when I first started, and I was still at an enormous disadvantage. I just got myself a shield, stuck with the good players, got myself a pike and spent most of my rounds watching for the big tanky plated chargers running around. It was very rewarding to see your team kill the top scorer on the enemy team, because of me stopping the horse.
Now the entire system has changed, it takes about 3-4 hours to reach level 20, which makes you quite able to compete. There is even a below lvl 20 server, where you can fight players who have a similar level and get 1.5x the xp you regularly get. Just focus on supporting your teammates. Most people can have fun without killing, you know. You are not useless at any level.
Hell, you can even skip the fun and be instant lvl 30 if its such a big deal to you.
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There is even a below lvl 20 server, where you can fight players who have a similar level and get 1.5x the xp you regularly get.
This bellow lvl 20 server sounds good. Which one is it? And what are HA?
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Please explain me how can my 1h shielder char can be effective in combat?
Currently i am lvl 20,and i have 21 str,7 ps,and 3 athl.
I need 5 athl min to not get spammed every time and to not be ranged practice target.
Since i have 9 agi now,i need 6 more lvl to be able to fight properly.
Don't bother with 20lvl max server,it is infested with HA,so one guy will have 100 arrows and he will avoid fight and shoot your team to pices alone.
No way you can win.
Well, that's kinda your fault for leveling that way. You only need 9 str and a mace to start getting a good amount of kills as a shielder. After doing a million gens as a shielder, I've always found it's better to level up evenly, starting with agi first. Athletics is the most important stat for a shielder.
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This bellow lvl 20 server sounds good. Which one is it? And what are HA?
HA=Horse Archers, bellow lvl 20 server is EU_5, if you're NA you can probably still perform decently there though.
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Thank you, I will try EU_5 then and see how it goes.
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just another reason to bring back ladders on siege, so peasants can contribute without having to get kills. I used to be the bomb siege master ladder thrower and would be the difference my team needed to win
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Why isn't this serf tending fields? Haha. I don't know man, it might seem pretty rough, but trust me, it was much rougher for new players back in the day. Weeks of playing time as a useless peasant where the only purpose you serve is to distract or block an opponent who could kill you with less than one swipe of their blade before you got your first longsword only to realize that you're still pretty useless compared to the monsters out there.
I'd say that the game as it is now is much friendlier to peasants than any stage in its past; once you get up to 3 Powerstrike you're able to be at least moderately effective if you have a past history with the game and understand the mechanics. If you just started playing Warband, and you came straight to cRPG, then yeah, it's going to be even more frustrating. I've always felt that the key to usefulness in the peasant stage is really just simple misdirection; many people are so hungry for kills that they'll throw caution to the wind just to chase what appears to be a defenseless peasant, which often opens them up to attack from behind. Level brings no impediment towards the ability to block attacks, thankfully.
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that doesnt happen to you only, wtf, ofcurse your useless on low levels, even on higher levels youll feel inferior to other. It happens to everyone each time they start a new gen. When you feel frustradet just stop playing and thats it.
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Get nekkid, grab some bear claw shoes and a staff and go have fun. You level so fast in the beginning it's not even worth worrying about.
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You can still be effective at low levels (and with cheap equipment).
I especially recommend simple clothing and a trident/pitchfork. You barely pay any upkeep, yet you can own the high upkeep and high level horsemen by acting bait in the open.
Just wait for them and then just kill their horses. It takes some skill though.
But it's really enjoyable when successful :)
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If it bothers you so much to be a peasant for few hours and getting killed for few weeks until you start to be somwhat effective I think it's best to stop playing.
This is friendly advice, you'll need thick skin and laid back attitude to "survive" in this community.
After all this is just a mod, similar game will come out in few months and will be probably more noob friendly than cRPG.
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Well, I played a little in the 20 max level and I feel a lot better there. At least its not that huge unbalance between peasant and the lvl 30 dudes. Stones vs Bows is very inappropriate. Or club vs Great Sword, again, not so comfy. Or no armor vs full armor, well, you get the idea. I managed to reach lvl 10 so all is going well now.
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There are two ways:
1) Leveling lancer cavalry, archer, xbowmen or thrower. You'll need some time to get hang of it but after that you'll be moderaly to very succesful. Lancer cav is the best because you can one hit kill people just by pressing X.
2) Melee (polearms, greatswords, crushtrugh or hardest, shielder with one handers), which is harder than above and takes some time to get used to.
Also, siege is way easier to play because people who care about winning on siege don't hunt kills and those who are there to kill something aren't much better than you at this game.
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Well, that's kinda your fault for leveling that way. You only need 9 str and a mace to start getting a good amount of kills as a shielder. After doing a million gens as a shielder, I've always found it's better to level up evenly, starting with agi first. Athletics is the most important stat for a shielder.
I tried every time to lvl first agi,and it was pure fail.
Hits were glancing,dmg was low,i didn't want to even play. But if i get 21 str under lvl 15 i can still play dtv and top the scoreboard.
I can maybie play siedge,or steal kills in battle. :twisted:
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i dont know he has right somehow,
but for as i started long time ago, it was soo fun i was soo happy when i got my first nice looking armor set.
it was incredibly fun to gain all those new stuff and the possibilitty to create your own char from start.
first ure nothing later u can be a great warrior ;D
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Well, I played a little in the 20 max level and I feel a lot better there. At least its not that huge unbalance between peasant and the lvl 30 dudes. Stones vs Bows is very inappropriate. Or club vs Great Sword, again, not so comfy. Or no armor vs full armor, well, you get the idea. I managed to reach lvl 10 so all is going well now.
Dreamer, as a level 1 on the level 20 server you're at a massive disadvantage to level 20's, but, if you use a cudgel, you can still fight most guys without glancing, it's just hard, but, once you're level 5 you'll have enough ps to play reliably if you go pure melee and is good, once you're level 12 you're at the level were if you're good you can get kills on high levels in 1 on 1, that's how it goes, and trust me, the first gen, for me, where I was playing on a ping spiking so hard blocking was impossible, was hell, second gen, low level was slightly more playable since getting my internet fixed at the end of first gen I had gotten somewhat decent, 3rd gen, I spent low level spamming chat :mrgreen: , still gen 3, but on all my many alts I've each time been able to enjoy low level more and more, in the end, it becomes extremely fun to play as a low level peasant on a sumpter with 1pd and a shortbow.
And trust me, main issue is not your gear, it's your skill, most guys here got thousands of hours in cRPG, and the first few dozen hours you're bound to get your ass kicked, you'll learn melee a lot faster though if you train with someone giving you advice in duel at least once a week, heck, a complete noob can become a decent shielder in only one hour of training footwork and timing, learning manual blocking will however take a bit more time, but trust me, cRPG is one of if not Warbands best mod, and learning melee is definitely worth it, message me on the forums if you ever feel like training and you're an EU player (if you're NA I'd still do it, but due to my lag on an NA server you'd learn slower and you should ask if any NAs are willing to train you instead), I'll log on and play if I'm available.
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Blood sweat and tears, thats how you learn warband, my first month was good fun. I always had atleast double as much deaths, if not triple, as I had kills but then again I played warband for 4 days after that I barely touched it because c-rpg is a billion times more fun with all the different armors etc, now I only play native for deathmatch.. I would recommend the native training grounds and arena for blocking, i practicly was constantly blocking for a week just to imprint the animations in my memory.
Lvl 21 isn't too bad, usually around 4 hours of playing..
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Try out 2h, or maybe polearm first (pretty easy on the beggining in compare to shieldman or archer).
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Just on 11th you can hit almost everyone and deal damage/stun(except of 60+ armours) with build like
Level 11
Strength: 12
Agility: 6
Skills to attributes: 4
Power Strike: 4
Athletics: 2
Weapon Master: 2
Two Handed / Polearm: 94
when choosing Two handed sword or Long spear as weapon.
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Since lvl 21 you're turning into quick killing machine (for low lvl) with something like:
Level 21
Strength: 12
Agility: 18
Skills to attributes: 8
Power Strike: 4
Athletics: 5
Weapon Master: 5
Two Handed / Polearm: 126
It's not so hard to kill someone with this, and it allows to avoid some archers arrows.
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One important thing to do (advice I failed to listen to) is go to the duel server once you have a decent build somewhat fleshed out. Practice for an hour or so every other day. I never did that so I couldn't play anything but a shielder for months. Anything else or if my shield broke I was just dead but still walking.
Now I'm practicing more and can actually block a few attacks.
Try out 2h, or maybe polearm first (pretty easy on the beggining in compare to shieldman...).
I disagree, you might get a few more lucky kills, but if you can't manual block you will become very frustrated, very fast. Shielding is easier, but isn't as kill happy.
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I disagree, you might get a few more lucky kills, but if you can't manual block you will become very frustrated, very fast. Shielding is easier, but isn't as kill happy.
When you join warband I would say learn manual blocking asap, otherwise all you will do is delay it forever, it's one of the key things to learn and with a shielder it's just that you will turtle untill your shield breaks and get instantly killed as soon as it breaks.
I'd say go 1h/xbow, with the secondary xbow itS still alot of fun, no matter if your a bad blocker! :)
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What you like is very different to what I like it seems. Being useless until lvl 27, which I suspect its a long time, doesn't sound like fun, it sounds masochistic.
The useless period reduces with skill.
New and/or bad players are useless even at 30
Decent players are useless until around 26
Good players are useless until around 18
Very good players are useless until around 12
The best players are useless ......never, not even at lvl 1 LOL
It takes like 1 short night of gaming and an average multiplier to get from 1 to like 15+ so its not a big deal really.a
Get through it once, and if you don't like it, don't retire much!
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I keep my main at full level (32.5 now)
And I level alts in the background for loom points.
That way if I get bored of being lvl 18 I hop on my lvl 32 :)
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On siege everyone can be usefull even at lvl 1. Cause you need no skill to open a gate or deploy a ladder. Also standing next to the flag doesn't require any skill as well. Or luring away kill-hungry enemies from the flag.. there are many things you can do which don't involve fighting.
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just another reason to bring back ladders on siege, so peasants can contribute without having to get kills. I used to be the bomb siege master ladder thrower and would be the difference my team needed to win
#1 NA 1h cav, hybrid thrower, & ladder thrower
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Play rageball. You will constantly respawn and get lots of practice fighting lightly armed / armored opponents. Plus the maps are cool and we now have a server in NA.
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But I do want to level, but I don't want it to be so absurd in its start requirements. I don't see the fun in getting killed with no chance all the time. What's the point in playing in that case? I just want a small fighting chance, not being and not intending to be an expert in duels using sticks and stones.
Every time I retire I'm useful at level 1 with a pitch fork. I run into battle with the goal of stopping enemy horses (rearing them) and poking at enemies to help my teammates kill them (stunning them with the hit). I also will stand next to an archer to help with cav support, and to be their meat shield.
By level 15 or so I'm useful as a ground troop. And at level 25 I'm a weaker version of my final build, so I'm able to be useful, although everything just takes more hits to kill. I can get to level 25 in one night of playing. So you think playing for one or two nights is too much work? Maybe c-rpg isn't for you then?
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Seriously, the first few level its very very annoying. Who had this idea to make such a horrible start? I don't have the patience to go on and see if the next levels start to get better, and as a new player I am about to just quit the mod. I have absolutely no chance against anybody, and I am getting killed in one shot, and having stones as ranged weapon and no shield, its insulting honestly.
it sucks, yeah, best thing you can do is be as big a distraction as you can, rear as many horses as possible with the trident, and stab as many people in the back as possible with polearms (1wpf) to begin with ;). Get to ~~ 12 AGI for the 4 ath (if your build allows it), and with peasant clothes you'll be able to out run all the tin cans, combined with having some form of polearm, you can become useful by ~~ level 7 or 8.
Side note, i once saw a friend of mine go 3-1 at level 1 ;). 2H wooden sword ftw.
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Play native if you dont want to be a peasant.
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Every time I retire I'm useful at level 1 with a pitch fork. I run into battle with the goal of stopping enemy horses (rearing them) and poking at enemies to help my teammates kill them (stunning them with the hit). I also will stand next to an archer to help with cav support, and to be their meat shield.
By level 15 or so I'm useful as a ground troop. And at level 25 I'm a weaker version of my final build, so I'm able to be useful, although everything just takes more hits to kill. I can get to level 25 in one night of playing. So you think playing for one or two nights is too much work? Maybe c-rpg isn't for you then?
*cough* shitposter *cough*, nice repeating what's already been said 'cept not giving any advice as many others have done and just told him that he should probably stop playing and just give up and then adding a stupid picture.
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...i did give advice, if he wants to emulate me and get a pitch fork at level 1, he can be useful. I was simply stating how I am able to be useful, and giving my experience. I wasn't aware if someone said something similar you can't post in the same thread, if that was the case then 95% of the forums are shit posters.
Here's my hard advice: start out going for strength first, and get to about 12 strength, then max your agility, and then go back to strength. If I go agility first, yes, you can out run everyone, but 1 power strike is super super super weak and you glance a lot. I start getting kills a lot sooner if I go for STR before Agility. At 1 athletics you can still stay relatively close to the main group, especially the high strength tin-cans that you could be helping support.
Also try hopping in a clan's teamspeak if you're new, there's so much that you don't even know to ask about that they will be able to help explain to you. I had my bro teaching me how to play (and he was a veteran when I got into this mod) and it was still a very long learning process for me, I can't imagine if I didn't have anyone to constantly ask questions to.
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Thank you, I will try EU_5 then and see how it goes.
Try it, you even level faster there as the multiplier is increased by 1.5x
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I don't know why leveling is in the game at all, I don't enjoy it and don't see the need for it.
Totally agree, I don't see a need for it either.
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Well, that's kinda your fault for leveling that way. You only need 9 str and a mace to start getting a good amount of kills as a shielder. After doing a million gens as a shielder, I've always found it's better to level up evenly, starting with agi first. Athletics is the most important stat for a shielder.
This kinda even for me as a 2h.
I usually get my 10 str so I can use my MW longsword again, then the kills start coming in again :)
After that I go agi until i get to like 15 agi so I can have 5 Ath and such, then back to str, etc....
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Man, i LIKE being a peasant. Its such a rare and precious time of life. Warriors grow up too fast these days.
I like wearing rags, poking knights with a pitchfork, and throwing stones off castle walls in siege. I like running around, running away, blocking for my fucking life, and typing in all caps "I'M A PEASANT!" and "HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!"
It only lasts a couple hours...its fun and funny. Don't grow up too fast man...it will be a long time before you get to be a peasant again.
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The reason is so that filthy peasants no there place. And when I come stomping through covered head to toe in gleaming plate with horse wrapped in the finest armour and cut your head off you have something to aspire to.
Just remember not to dirty my sword too much with your damned peasant blood. If only you people would stay in the fields where you belong.