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Vex, please check the other thread about "mercs abusing/cheating/whatsoever".
1. The castle didnt run out of gold because of upkeep, it just had to buy stuff for 8850 people instead of 2500 it usually has
2. Most of this troops were dumped into the castle a long time ago by HRE/Fallen (as far as i remember) to make it harder to take in case of an invasion of grey order
3. beer got kicked in a City-Siege while being at a REACHABLE position, same what happened to you now, also he was NOT wasting equipment, but the "defenders" on the keep did
I thank thats it for now, rly tired, search up the links/qoutes if you want...
Vex, our teamspeak crashed, so i was out of it for quite a long time, but i can ensure you, we had ladders. When the siege started we got about 550 Siege ladders and like 50 other ones. We just didnt had any weaponracks/construction sites left to pick them out.Yeah we were working hard for not giving you shortened spears and simple swords...
And lets face it: The kick was reasonable, it was 3 guys left, and what happened it the end that they wasted as much gear as possible to give us fewer stuff from an AI castle
Ps: Is the blue pony in your avatar High or extremely drunk? cant decide it. :mrgreen:
One word : NA
I mean they have a clan called "Fuck it dude lets go bowling" .
How can you expect a serious and logical act from their admins ?Yeah we were working hard for not giving you shortened spears and simple swords...
Get your facts straight and grow some balls please.
the Spirit of the almighty P.anos took controll over meWatch your steps then , you don't want to end up like him.
Watch your steps then , you don't want to end up like him.
Get your facts straight and grow some balls please.
<04:56:39> "Shik": To make things more clear:I think they have to add some kind of game mechanic for that kind of situations, that's all. That way there will be no arguments about admins kicking and abusing in the future.
<04:56:51> "Shik": 1. if attackers run out of ladders and they can't breach the walls, they have lost
<04:57:08> "Shik": 2. if defenders have already lost all spawns and 3 guys are hiding in a place they can't get down from, they have already lost
<04:59:39> "rufioOO": seems solid, still our unease with the situation is not misplaced since this was not the argument at the start. would be nice to have a link to this ruleset, so i can link it to the threads i posted in , and appologize
<05:00:12> "Shik": unfortunately we are dumb and don't have a ruleset written down
<05:00:15> "Shik": but this has been the precedent
<05:00:17> "Shik": for a while
<05:00:31> "Shik": it's kinda like those weird societies where yo udon't have a written code of law
<05:00:44> "rufioOO": ok
<05:01:16> "rufioOO": can i quote: "Shik": To make things more clear:
<04:56:51> "Shik": 1. if attackers run out of ladders and they can't breach the walls, they have lost
<04:57:08> "Shik": 2. if defenders have already lost all spawns and 3 guys are hiding in a place they can't get down from, they have already lost ?
<05:01:22> "Shik": sure
<05:01:39> "Shik": I'll prolly have that added to the official rules at some point
<05:01:41> "rufioOO": ok, thanks for your time shik, and gj clearing it up like this, sorry for the troubles
<05:02:16> "Shik": and to clarify, the defenders are allowed to exist as long as they are in a position to get the flags back up
<05:02:22> "Shik": but if they're not even trying
<05:02:28> "Shik": or if they would die from fall damage
<05:02:32> "Shik": or if they can't even do it
<05:02:36> "Shik": then they've basically lost
<05:02:51> "rufioOO": solid. i concur
sorry for the drama guys, thanks for shik to do the right thing and clear it up. cya ingame.
I think they have to add some kind of game mechanic for that kind of situations, that's all. That way there will be no arguments about admins kicking and abusing in the future.
that in itself is a stupid statement, leaves alot to interpetation and biased oppinion :P if all thought like this, the world would be a bad place. oh im such a hypocritsometimes :lol:nah just don't be stupid.
I've been thinking about a "better" strategus (ingame) for a long time, but haven't had that genious idea yet to fix it.
However, I absolutely agree that required admin interference is an no-go.
A more simple solution to the problem would be that any side loses if all flags are down and no person was killed during the last 5 minutes.
What i take from this is the following:
When all flags are down, and there are 5 minutes with no kills, the attackers deserve to win. And thats what happened.
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Whatever It is so fuckin obvious that they abused their power if your ladders are finished u need to retreat not kick people lol , the battle is already a fuckin abuse they send troops to let people play with simple swords etc
they abused by putting heavy troops in castle so they knew that we would fight with simple swords even they didnt put enough ladders lol
How can your ladders can finish in teh fuckin start of the battle if u attacked with 3000 ?
Cicero, if you look at the stats of the 3 guys that were on top of the keep, it becomes obvious that all they did was going up there and wasting equipment, they didnt help their team to defend the castle, and, refering to admins, this is leechingin haringoth castle it was kapikulu also they did nothing , they put nearly 60 ladders on the top of castle , it was even not possible to put ladder by us but we managed to kill them
Why is this still even a topic?
Running out of ladders? They had 500 more ladders, they just weren't dying and spawning with them.
They also weren't building a catapult fast enough.
They could have, but weren't doing it fast enough. Errbody be leeching (purposely sluggish attacking team, non-acting defenders) and not finishing the battle, so i kicked the three and ended the battle after waiting 8 minutes watching and waiting as the ticks go by.
p.s. Those few people got to the top of the tower in the beginning by ladder exploiting and had practically no kills. They were camping up there all round without helping the castle defense. They made no attempt at defending.
I don't get why this is even an issue. Besides, it's already been settled.
in haringoth castle it was kapikulu also they did nothing , they put nearly 60 ladders on the top of castle , it was even not possible to put ladder by us but we managed to kill them
They were fighting though, I was there, they had an archer shooting, he killed a few people, therefore they were not leechingNope last night those people were trying to kill with their shitty equip also , if u cant gonna understand that both of them equal its pointless to argue with you
I've been thinking about a "better" strategus (ingame) for a long time, but haven't had that genious idea yet to fix it.okay, what about support to castle, what makes def equip sux?
However, I absolutely agree that required admin interference is an no-go.
A more simple solution to the problem would be that any side loses if all flags are down and no person was killed during the last 5 minutes.
It is not about mercs or you as i repeated for the fuckin 5th time , Even wasting equip is an effort. Shame on me that i didnt take a screenshot from haringoth siege , those idiots put at least 60 ladders , siege shields to not let us put ladder to there , it is fuckin same.(click to show/hide)
I was on this battle on the attackers' side. I will make it clear for everyone, just note that every post with whine about this situation after this explanation should be considered as posted by a very dumb person.
1. NA_3 seems to be using older version of WSE. There is still a polestagger, you can't jump with ranged weapons, etc.
2. There was a problem with catapult. I don't know what kind of problem was that, but that could be old known problem, when catapults got destroyed somehow without enemy contribution (I think, it happened first when Druzhina was attacking a castle in previous Strategus, I was fighting on their side back to then, catapults destroyed themselves somehow). It is really hard to destroy a catapult using ranged weapons, especially with that bows on such range. But this doesn't matter.
3. By the end of the battle, Mercs had 500+ siege ladders.
4. The only fighting guy on the roof was a crossbowman. I shot him 3 times, but it seems he used a healing tent on the roof. In the end he ran out of bolts rapidly and he wasn't even able to kill anyone with light crossbow on such range. And it doesn't matter because he fell down and made a suicide.
5. Mercs were trying to reach that guy and put at least 3 siege ladders to reach him. That place needed 2 or 3 siege ladders to be reachable, the first ladder was good, they've reached a balcony from which they were trying to settle a ladder. But they failed because it's really hard to do it.
6. After some certain time like 5 or 6 attackers made a suicide (accidental or not, i don't know) and they were bringing ladders, so in any way that roof was about to be reached.
7. Attackers had a lot of time left to reach that roof. That was not a problem.
8. Attackers had everything they needed to kill roof campers. Even if they hadn't ladders, they had so much time and ammo for ranged that they could kill those defenders with volley shots. Watch point 4 about me shooting a crossbowman.
9. Those 3 defenders did nothing to defend their castle. All flags were down, defenders were just hiding doing nothing useful for the team. And you should never compare such situations to usual last stands on the roofs, where defenders actually try to kill and at least damage attackers.
10. Usually, such situations are considered to be an abuse for attackers because defenders give time to loot everything expensive and i think, that there was still 1 construction site and shitloads of construction materials to build a weapon rack (anyway nobody needed it).
11. Troops were put into the castle by HRE a lot of time ago (months ago), everyone could try to attack this castle during months.
12. If it was on EU servers, I believe that Mercs would have a stronger fight. And I blame defenders, they didn't have sticks and stones, they had Byrnies (36! body armour) which is pretty enough for melee not to die in 1 hit. Yes, the gear wasn't good as always but still defenders had bigger numbers. Remember old strat battles (i.e. HRE vs Mercs' village, when Mercs were naked and fought in overall 1:1 KD and even captured a spawnpoint once) so stop whining, it's purely your own fault that you didn't kill. Autobus was hilarious at that fight, he was very useful for defenders, he managed to kill like 10 ladders and a weapon rack, and he also killed a lot in comparison to others.
13. TS went down for a minute, luckily i was on the battle so i could put it up fast but it took time for attackers to get back. It was actually the time when flags were recaptured.
14. I'm not biased, I play for the side which hires me.
Hide in a hole until the timer runs out -> delaying. Not going to apologize for acting accordingly on that, and I think allegations of my being biased towards FCC as an explanation for my actions is frankly silly.
I do appreciate the feedback though, thank you.
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ofcourse you are neutral =)
Oh you mercs and your superego about tags and other shits =)
Tell me one reason why you are in ladder ?
Whatever its fuckin obvious that u are still with them or you will , dont try to get attention again
Nebun.... Ive never read such a large amount of random bullshit condensed into one paragraph. I am one of the 3 leaders of Mercs, and if we did any cheating, I would no longer be in the clan, believe me. I hate people who cheat in games. All gold, equip bugs, that we had were immediately reported and removed. You also state that Nocti handed over ruconquista to devs for cheating, even though they were our allies? Tell me how this enhances your argument in any way? All we have ever done is try to fight against cheaters and multiaccounters, so cut the bullshit, your argument is pathetically transparent.
@ Cicero, its true that dave has fought against us in many battles, just check some. He is in our ladder so he can fight with us on public servers. :)
PS: The Emirin "bug", meaning you attacked a town with a giant army and the time limit was hit before you could whittle down the almost as big army in the village? How is that a bug, if you did that today wouldn't the exact same thing happen?
I think the battle started at 1:59 a.m. according to the time of England, where Muffin lives. Such late time was comfortable for NA players who fought for the attackers as well because the castle was on NA territory.
And why 4 am?
We had ideas before to put troops in castle so that it buys shit equip and we just take flags, but it would be too low and not much fun. Now we see u doing that which raising a lot of questions.
Didn't read all thread, just have one question. Did u add more troops recently to Jelbegi Castle or was it there from long time ago?
Last time i checked there was only few thousand troops in the castle, those that HRE added before. Did you add any troops to castle before attacking it?
To clear things up. These troops were placed in the castle severalmonths ago by HRE. They can confirm this. We did not know for sure what the effect of more troops would have. It could easily havebackfired on us.
To quote myself on one of the multiple hate threads....
Yup, dave got it right, its an NA castle and we wanted a good timeslot to hire NA players for, there were a few NA on defense also I think...
It was 2-3am for most european players, and there were no shortage of them applying against us.
Either way, just read this thead and this one. http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,36087.msg548078.html#msg548078
Its been cleared up and verified by the developers.
PS: If we'd attack castle like this. Everyone from ur side would be screaming cheaters cheaters :)
Anyway Honorable mercs, keep it up :)
it wouldn't backfire, i though everyone from clan leaders know how it works and how fief buys equipment
You set the rules this round and :) we adapted it, I really don't care about this "honour" crap.
Well I was quite sure, but its something of a large risk if it did backfire.. I asked cmp and he didnt know, because I had a suspicion that there was a limit on how many troops a castle would buy equipment for, do prevent something like this... Im sure the devs are working on it now. Something like not buying gear for more than 175% the numbers of the attacking army.
anyway i hope u'll stay the only leader of mercs, maybe it will get better
I find it very absurd that someone who invented, walking on water, mass teleportation of armies and ganking with big alliances :) whines about honour and coalitions. Not :) to mention that you declared war on everyone who fought against you at the start of this :) strategus which clearly showed that you been looking for an easy way to take your fiefs without a significant defence.
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you can't accuse mercs of cheating, their leaders the most honest people in this community... and even though there is a lot of talk about mercs taking cheated gold from kapikulu, and cheated equip and gold from RuConquista (that connected their server to database and leached 24/7 on it - getting chadz texts and gold - and dropping cheated equip and gold in emirin, i think some of those leachers got to level 36) and all of this to defend Emirin. Like our equipment and troops that they receive due to the bug wasn't enough.
"Kapikulu tried so hard to keep this gold a secret but Noctivagant was a bit scared and convinced Kapikulu to tell admins about this gold, and they DID NOT hide a lot of it for themselves on some of their alts, no they """"DID NOT!"""" This in italics, because some bad members of community say that u need to switch Kapikulu with Noctivagant in that text.
When shit hit the fence Noctivagant given RuConquista into the hands of Admin justice, where they all got banned. Maybe this will get him to become admin one day.
But how can we believe all those dirty rumors spread by scum in dark corners of Calradia. I for example, completely trust in Mercs honesty. So let them be, with their castle and 5500 looted tickets. They was brave enough to attack this castle 4am unlike others who attack at 6am. Give em some credit!
Maybe true, maybe not.
Oh you mercs and your superego about tags and other shits =)
Tell me one reason why you are in ladder ?
Whatever its fuckin obvious that u are still with them or you will , dont try to get attention again
nothin new i was first
still 1st
thanks to me.
drugs
and if they will totally split NA and EU who gonna protect you ?
If they totally split Russia/poland from the rest of EU, who is going to protect you?kapıkulu for sure
seems like i got a fan who reads all of my posts =)
"Big women" , talk more but remember , this strategus will be wiped out and if they will totally split NA and EU who gonna protect you ?
Conversation is over , we will talk with you later =)
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If they totally split Russia/poland from the rest of EU, who is going to protect you?