Maybe up to a certain armor threshold but why would it be between a 15/27 and a 21/15 when those are two different skill point conversions? Wouldn't it be a 27/15 archer?
yes, another whine topic.
i point and shoot better than you
9 PD does less dmg than 7 PD since it kills you wpf.
Whine topic? No, attempt at some kind of balance. Your a shithole archer anyway, I piss all over you on a regular basis nubbins
someone is mad.
9 PD does less dmg than 7 PD since it kills you wpf.
Whine topic? No, attempt at some kind of balance. Your a shithole archer anyway, I piss all over you on a regular basis nubbins
9 PD does less dmg than 7 PD since it kills you wpf.
9 PD does less dmg than 7 PD since it kills you wpf.
someone is mad.
Not true, but I see your point. I played longbow and respecced to test the difference between 27/15 and 18/24. The damage difference vs. whatever armor i picked at the time was 72 vs. 60, but to sacrifice all of your accuracy and shoot speed for that damage difference was awful. Power draw is supposed to give you a 10% damage boost per rank, which sounds incredible, but it takes away your WPF drastically.
There's an online calculator, very in depth, allows you to choose bow, arrows, loom level of each, target's body and head armor, PD / WPF, anything you'd even need to know before velocity is taken into the formula.
http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/?go=archercalc
How up to date this is, I forget, but its still a great guide for a ball park estimate.
Just permaban all archers and cavalry and backpedalling 2handers and crushthrough noobs and polespammers and OP pikers and throwers cuz banning archers is too mainstream ban annoying turtles ban anything that rides a horse ban useless peasants ban agiwhores ban str crutchers fuck this community and game good night.
Just permaban all archers and cavalry and backpedalling 2handers and crushthrough noobs and polespammers and OP pikers and throwers cuz banning archers is too mainstream ban annoying turtles ban anything that rides a horse ban useless peasants ban agiwhores ban str crutchers fuck this community and game good night.
il be playing this 15/27 build on my alt soon, probbably will be great fun pwning people eazy mod OP OP OP, with abit of team support, looking forward to it
Best archer builds are 18/21 or 21/18. Each point into PD increases damage by quite a bit, but you need WPF to shoot quicker and be more accurate.
15/27 build is probably fine, but the 27 agility is NOT going to make up for the 3 athletics. You'll be much quicker with a 21/18 w/ 6 ath, or a 18/21 w/ 7 ath.
Discussion isnt about what build makes you run faster, its about doing more DPS with cheaper weapon that uses less slots, is more accurate to boot. Try to read OP before posting banalities.
Not true, but I see your point. I played longbow and respecced to test the difference between 27/15 and 18/24. The damage difference vs. whatever armor i picked at the time was 72 vs. 60, but to sacrifice all of your accuracy and shoot speed for that damage difference was awful. Power draw is supposed to give you a 10% damage boost per rank, which sounds incredible, but it takes away your WPF drastically.
There's an online calculator, very in depth, allows you to choose bow, arrows, loom level of each, target's body and head armor, PD / WPF, anything you'd even need to know before velocity is taken into the formula.
http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/?go=archercalc
How up to date this is, I forget, but its still a great guide for a ball park estimate.
Base_Damage=(0.85+(wpf*0.15))
So 1 wpf is a smidge past 0.85 base damage, 100 is base damage, and 200 wpf is 1.15 base damage...
OP is incorrect by a long margin on the damage differences. WPF gives a damage perk, it is not a competitor to PD, PT or PS. Losing 4.2% damage and gaining 28% still wins in PD's favor.
The main thing with WPF is that it increases your accuracy so if you have low PD but high WPF it wont compensate damage but with bodkins you should be able to go mostly for heads and decently armored people or go tartar and aim only for lightly armored. You would be a great anti archer wouldn't you?
To my best knowledge, wpf affects dmg for archery. This is fucked. Im pretty sure 15/27 WM build can do more dmg with hornbow than 21/15 PD build with longbow. Shoot faster, do more dmg, be more accurate, use less slots. What the very fuck? Discuss.I am not disputing effectiveness, I am disputing his incorrect theory that the damage is greater.
DONT bring unrelated to this thread.
Just permaban all archers and cavalry and backpedalling 2handers and crushthrough noobs and polespammers and OP pikers and throwers cuz banning archers is too mainstream ban annoying turtles ban anything that rides a horse ban useless peasants ban agiwhores ban str crutchers fuck this community and game good night.
and nothing remains.
A lot of people with shieldsJust permaban all archers and cavalry and backpedalling 2handers and crushthrough noobs and polespammers and OP pikers and throwers cuz banning archers is too mainstream ban annoying turtles ban anything that rides a horse ban useless peasants ban agiwhores ban str crutchers fuck this community and game good night.and nothing remains.
ban annoying turtles
That would be a separate issue from the OP:I am not disputing effectiveness, I am disputing his incorrect theory that the damage is greater.
Base_Damage=(0.85+(wpf*0.15))
So 1 wpf is a smidge past 0.85 base damage, 100 is base damage, and 200 wpf is 1.15 base damage...
OP is incorrect by a long margin on the damage differences. WPF gives a damage perk, it is not a competitor to PD, PT or PS. Losing 4.2% damage and gaining 28% still wins in PD's favor.
No, I am correct. DMG per shot may be higher with very high PD, but since you will not be hitting anything, and shooting much slower, DAMAGE BEING DONE IS LESS. My OP does NOT state DAMAGE PER SHOT, simply dmg. When you Assume, you make an ass of u and me.
To my best knowledge, wpf affects dmg for archery. This is fucked. Im pretty sure 15/27 WM build can do more dmg with hornbow than 21/15 PD build with longbow. Shoot faster, do more dmg, be more accurate, use less slots. What the very fuck? Discuss.15/27 is weak. Unless you have loomed bow+arrows then it becomes more useful. Headshots or light armored horses are mainly what it is best for.
Archery is crap, end of discussion 2h cav FTW.
No, I am correct. DMG per shot may be higher with very high PD, but since you will not be hitting anything, and shooting much slower, DAMAGE BEING DONE IS LESS. My OP does NOT state DAMAGE PER SHOT, simply dmg. When you Assume, you make an ass of u and me.
21/21 naked archer w/ hornbow & bodkins vs someone with 50 body armor: 16.4 damage on average (this one has 165 wpf)
21/18 naked archer w/ hornbow & bodkins vs someone with 50 body armor: 15.7 damage on average (this one has 156 wpf)
15/27 naked archer w/ hornbow & bodkins vs someone with 50 body armor: 11.8 damage on average (this one has 182 wpf)
It seems, good sir, that it may be YOU who are making the assumptions here.
Your funny Aderyn, I faceshot you your first day bro. Remember, I was the fucker the GO modelled their lvl 35 archers on, they took my name, MADE A CLAN BASED on it. I'm new like the mountains are new.
Anyway, still seems ridiculous to me that I'm rewarded more for being a kiting my old friend. The newest changes nerfed the fuck out of 1handed, I assume that was unintentional, but still no change to the system that makes archers more effective if they have 5PD and loads of athletics. BTW, stop trying to argue with me: Im always right, its written into the fabric of the universe.