Archery. A discussion.

[Tears of Destiny]

The main thing with WPF is that it increases your accuracy so if you have low PD but high WPF it wont compensate damage but with bodkins you should be able to go mostly for heads and decently armored people or go tartar and aim only for lightly armored. You would be a great anti archer wouldn't you?

That would be a separate issue from the OP:

To my best knowledge, wpf affects dmg for archery. This is fucked. Im pretty sure 15/27 WM build can do more dmg with hornbow than 21/15 PD build with longbow. Shoot faster, do more dmg, be more accurate, use less slots. What the very fuck? Discuss.


DONT bring unrelated to this thread.

I am not disputing effectiveness, I am disputing his incorrect theory that the damage is greater.

[Vibe]

Just permaban all archers and cavalry and backpedalling 2handers and crushthrough noobs and polespammers and OP pikers and throwers cuz banning archers is too mainstream ban annoying turtles ban anything that rides a horse ban useless peasants ban agiwhores ban str crutchers fuck this community and game good night.

and nothing remains.

[genric]

and nothing remains.

A lot of people with shields

[Everkistus]

Just permaban all archers and cavalry and backpedalling 2handers and crushthrough noobs and polespammers and OP pikers and throwers cuz banning archers is too mainstream ban annoying turtles ban anything that rides a horse ban useless peasants ban agiwhores ban str crutchers fuck this community and game good night.

and nothing remains.

A lot of people with shields

ban annoying turtles

[Arrowblood]

15 27 build  with bodkins and hornbow:

Minimum: 49
Average: 51.5
Maximum: 54

21/15 with longbow and bodkins :
Minimum: 55
Average: 57.5
Maximum: 60

Said the dmg calculator.
Its atleast not dealing MORE dmg

[BlindGuy]

That would be a separate issue from the OP:I am not disputing effectiveness, I am disputing his incorrect theory that the damage is greater.

No, I am correct. DMG per shot may be higher with very high PD, but since you will not be hitting anything, and shooting much slower, DAMAGE BEING DONE IS LESS. My OP does NOT state DAMAGE PER SHOT, simply dmg. When you Assume, you make an ass of u and me.

[OpenPalm]

Base_Damage=(0.85+(wpf*0.15))

So 1 wpf is a smidge past 0.85 base damage, 100 is base damage, and 200 wpf is 1.15 base damage...

OP is incorrect by a long margin on the damage differences. WPF gives a damage perk, it is not a competitor to PD, PT or PS. Losing 4.2% damage and gaining 28% still wins in PD's favor.

Dis formula don't work.  (0.85+(100*0.15))=15.85 base damage?

[MrShine]

No, I am correct. DMG per shot may be higher with very high PD, but since you will not be hitting anything, and shooting much slower, DAMAGE BEING DONE IS LESS. My OP does NOT state DAMAGE PER SHOT, simply dmg. When you Assume, you make an ass of u and me.

First off your original example is shitty.  a 15/27 build is a pure archer build, a 21/15 build has points left over for max PS & 5 IF.  If you are going to compare a pure archer with another strength oriented pure archer, comparing 15/27 to 21/21 or 21/18 is much better.

Second you are forgetting an important fact: the less damage you do, the more shots need to hit in order to kill.  So yes you might miss more often with less wpf, but a high wpf build would need to compensate for it's low damage output by a MUCH higher amount of accuracy.  17-26 wpf isn't nearly enough accuracy to compensate for the lowered damage.

Third, here are some numbers
Using http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/?go=archercalc :

21/21 naked archer w/ hornbow & bodkins vs someone with 50 body armor:  16.4 damage on average  (this one has 165 wpf)
21/18 naked archer w/ hornbow & bodkins vs someone with 50 body armor:  15.7 damage on average  (this one has 156 wpf)
15/27 naked archer w/ hornbow & bodkins vs someone with 50 body armor:  11.8 damage on average  (this one has 182 wpf)

It seems, good sir, that it may be YOU who are making the assumptions here.

[SixThumbs]

I just tried it lastnight, 15/27, and it seems like a waste for me personally. There were instances when I would hit an unarmed archer ~3 times and they wouldn't go down. It was nice being mostly pin-point accurate from short-mid range and stopping infantry trying to gang up on a lone teammate but it just delayed the inevitable and didn't have enough stopping power for my taste unless they were injured in the first place.

[karasu]

Pew.

[Casimir]

Archery is crap, end of discussion  2h cav FTW.

[Lichen]

To my best knowledge, wpf affects dmg for archery. This is fucked. Im pretty sure 15/27 WM build can do more dmg with hornbow than 21/15 PD build with longbow. Shoot faster, do more dmg, be more accurate, use less slots. What the very fuck? Discuss.

15/27 is weak. Unless you have loomed bow+arrows then it becomes more useful. Headshots or light armored horses are mainly what it is best for.

[Tears of Destiny]

Archery is crap, end of discussion  2h cav FTW.

Well I can't argue with that 

No, I am correct. DMG per shot may be higher with very high PD, but since you will not be hitting anything, and shooting much slower, DAMAGE BEING DONE IS LESS. My OP does NOT state DAMAGE PER SHOT, simply dmg. When you Assume, you make an ass of u and me.

I still disagree, as the DPS is lower. A 24/15 will still produce more total damage and score hits if you use it correctly (which is a bad build anyways, 24/18 works better and you can get away with just 3 ATHL if you are in a clan/friend squad). Instead of long range sniping, a 24/15 should be running directly in with the infantry, floating inside or around them, and scoring medium to close range shots. Having done this, you score quite a few hits, you just need to be very aware of the skirmish situation to avoid being over run. 24/15 can murder cavalry rather well, honestly.

[Uumdi]

21/21 naked archer w/ hornbow & bodkins vs someone with 50 body armor:  16.4 damage on average  (this one has 165 wpf)
21/18 naked archer w/ hornbow & bodkins vs someone with 50 body armor:  15.7 damage on average  (this one has 156 wpf)
15/27 naked archer w/ hornbow & bodkins vs someone with 50 body armor:  11.8 damage on average  (this one has 182 wpf)

It seems, good sir, that it may be YOU who are making the assumptions here.

Thank you.

[Aderyn]

first i'd like to say: No.

Also, you must be new here.
If your curious about the damage, why dont you make an alt Skip The Fun and try the builds out? I can guarantee you the PD will do more dmg. Not to mention less drop when firing the bow since it's a long or rus bow.