Archery. A discussion.

[BlindGuy]

To my best knowledge, wpf affects dmg for archery. This is fucked. Im pretty sure 15/27 WM build can do more dmg with hornbow than 21/15 PD build with longbow. Shoot faster, do more dmg, be more accurate, use less slots. What the very fuck? Discuss.


DONT bring unrelated to this thread.

[Arrowblood]

No.

[duurrr]

derp

[Arrowblood]

yes, another whine topic.

[SixThumbs]

Maybe up to a certain armor threshold but why would it be between a 15/27 and a 21/15 when those are two different skill point conversions? Wouldn't it be a 27/15 archer?

[Arrowblood]

you get something like 1,4% dmg per 10 wpf i think

[BlindGuy]

Maybe up to a certain armor threshold but why would it be between a 15/27 and a 21/15 when those are two different skill point conversions? Wouldn't it be a 27/15 archer?

9 PD does less dmg than 7 PD since it kills you wpf.

yes, another whine topic.

Whine topic? No, attempt at some kind of balance. Your a shithole archer anyway, I piss all over you on a regular basis nubbins

[duurrr]

9 PD does less dmg than 7 PD since it kills you wpf.


Whine topic? No, attempt at some kind of balance. Your a shithole archer anyway, I piss all over you on a regular basis nubbins

i point and shoot better than you

fuck yeah, deal with it 

[Arrowblood]

9 PD does less dmg than 7 PD since it kills you wpf.


Whine topic? No, attempt at some kind of balance. Your a shithole archer anyway, I piss all over you on a regular basis nubbins

someone is mad.

[Uumdi]

9 PD does less dmg than 7 PD since it kills you wpf.

Not true, but I see your point.  I played longbow and respecced to test the difference between 27/15 and 18/24.  The damage difference vs. whatever armor i picked at the time was 72 vs. 60, but to sacrifice all of your accuracy and shoot speed for that damage difference was awful.  Power draw is supposed to give you a 10% damage boost per rank, which sounds incredible, but it takes away your WPF drastically. 

There's an online calculator, very in depth, allows you to choose bow, arrows, loom level of each, target's body and head armor, PD / WPF, anything you'd even need to know before velocity is taken into the formula.

http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/?go=archercalc


How up to date this is, I forget, but its still a great guide for a ball park estimate.

[SixThumbs]

9 PD does less dmg than 7 PD since it kills you wpf.

So it should be 15/27 versus 24/18 then? That is kind of silly though if 9 PD would do less damage then 7 PD/

[HarunYahya]

Just permaban all archers and cavalry and backpedalling 2handers and crushthrough noobs and polespammers and OP pikers and throwers cuz banning archers is too mainstream ban annoying turtles ban anything that rides a horse ban useless peasants ban agiwhores ban str crutchers fuck this community and game good night.

[BlindGuy]

someone is mad.

Is it you? Cause atm, Im playing infantry with shield and a lance (yes, I like it HARD, game is easy tbh), but I just think its ridiculous that you can get more dmg from a shitty horsebow than from the most expensive 3 slot bows. If you think that makes me mad, your pretty fucked in the head. But probably you arent seeing the issue at all, your just blinded by your own overinflated ego. Meh, cba, get back on topic or stfu.

Not true, but I see your point.  I played longbow and respecced to test the difference between 27/15 and 18/24.  The damage difference vs. whatever armor i picked at the time was 72 vs. 60, but to sacrifice all of your accuracy and shoot speed for that damage difference was awful.  Power draw is supposed to give you a 10% damage boost per rank, which sounds incredible, but it takes away your WPF drastically. 

There's an online calculator, very in depth, allows you to choose bow, arrows, loom level of each, target's body and head armor, PD / WPF, anything you'd even need to know before velocity is taken into the formula.

http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/?go=archercalc


How up to date this is, I forget, but its still a great guide for a ball park estimate.

That calc means nothing, dmg is always random and its outdated anyway. Currently most dmg is from 15/27 build, and thats just stupid. Hornbows and the like need "unusable on foot" tag, that or massive weight added, they are not for foot archer, they look stupid, are OP'ed to fuck, and have no drawbacks.

Just permaban all archers and cavalry and backpedalling 2handers and crushthrough noobs and polespammers and OP pikers and throwers cuz banning archers is too mainstream ban annoying turtles ban anything that rides a horse ban useless peasants ban agiwhores ban str crutchers fuck this community and game good night.

Pikers: downblock
2handers with a paperweight on S key: Just backpeddle also, they will get bored before you, cause they are essentially children.
Crushthrough: Easily defeated 1v1
Cav: Underpowered unless killing unawares

Only runningmy old friend archers are a real problem, not because I dont think they should be able to run away, but they should pay some penalty for it, instead of the game rewarding them for it.

[SixThumbs]

Welp, time to try out a new STF. You still only have 3 athletics though, low HP and I'm pretty sure if your target is wearing heavy armor you're going to do a negligible amount of damage unless you hit them in the head.

Edit: Also, in your original argument the 21/15 would be a hybrid as opposed to a dedicated archer.

[BlindGuy]

Wait, I should try a new STF? Why? I have...dunno, 12 toons, had a previous stable of about 12 toons, have been playing since peasantwars over 2 years ago, I know what is possible, what is stupidity of Epeeners, and right now, 15 STR archer with Nikes is the most dmg as archer, and its retarded.


EDIT: Also 21/15 cannot be a hybrid unless you realistically think you can be effective with under 100 wpf in both weapons.