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Title: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 29, 2012, 06:21:16 pm
Shouldn't that be removed or something. Seems stoopid, can someone explain why it's in the banner system?
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: DrTaco on June 29, 2012, 06:27:15 pm
For the same reason there are three pigs for a banner with a green backround. Just because.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 29, 2012, 06:33:33 pm
Quote from: DrTaco on June 29, 2012, 06:27:15 pm
For the same reason there are three pigs for a banner with a green backround. Just because.

Our banner was cool it had a funny horse on it plus our clans main weapons and it was removed....
we went back to our old school banner of red background black skull.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Teeth on June 29, 2012, 06:42:06 pm
Something about the hammer and sickle is so fucking cool.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Weewum on June 29, 2012, 06:45:51 pm
Aliens, hurr durr.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Idzo on June 29, 2012, 06:45:59 pm
Quote from: SgtTeeh on June 29, 2012, 06:42:06 pm
Something about the hammer and sickle is so fucking cool.

Nerf hammer and sickle!
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Adamar on June 29, 2012, 06:46:28 pm
Comunists
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Werfried on June 29, 2012, 06:58:41 pm
If they allow russian and us flags, why did they remove the awesome tuxedo suit?
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Count_Curtis on June 29, 2012, 06:59:51 pm
Devs dont give a fuck what the russians do
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Miley on June 29, 2012, 07:47:39 pm
What's wrong with the USSR flag?
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Ganner on June 29, 2012, 07:48:07 pm
The US flag is also in, and they have it backwards, not displayed properly.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: LordBerenger on June 29, 2012, 08:29:50 pm
Quote from: Ganner on June 29, 2012, 07:48:07 pm
The US flag is also in, and they have it backwards, not displayed properly.

First of all it was ''backwards'' on webpage ladder because ingame it mirrored. So if we would've had it properly it would've been displayed wrong ingame.

Also, it's no more as it got removed. USA flag banner got removed but USSR banner still there. SMH
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Kuujis on June 29, 2012, 08:41:33 pm
Quote from: SgtTeeh on June 29, 2012, 06:42:06 pm
Something about the hammer and sickle is so fucking cool.
Only ones who have not endured communism can write something like this :rolleyes:

Make it shovel and rake on orange background and your'e good to go I say!
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Leshma on June 29, 2012, 08:41:56 pm
USA still exists, USSR does not.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Prinz_Karl on June 29, 2012, 08:46:14 pm
Communism shouldn't spread in cRPG.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Jacko on June 29, 2012, 08:50:44 pm
Leg it Shik, they caught you!
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: LordBerenger on June 29, 2012, 08:51:53 pm
Down with communism and SCHTALIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR5q0ajW8Ko&t=3m0s
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Turkhammer on June 29, 2012, 09:03:42 pm
Quote from: SgtTeeh on June 29, 2012, 06:42:06 pm
Something about the hammer and sickle is so fucking cool.

If you think that's cool, you'll love the cute puppy.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Muunilinst on June 29, 2012, 09:06:11 pm
i prefer USSR above USA.

i prefer STalin above Bush

let it in  :evil:
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Blackzilla on June 29, 2012, 09:07:09 pm
Quote from: Leshma on June 29, 2012, 08:41:56 pm
USA still exists, USSR does not.
So i can use a chocolate chip cookie flag then?
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on June 29, 2012, 09:11:03 pm
Quote from: DoD_Blackzilla on June 29, 2012, 09:07:09 pm
So i can use a chocolate chip cookie flag then?

Last I checked germany still exists.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Turkhammer on June 29, 2012, 09:13:49 pm
Quote from: oprah_winfrey on June 29, 2012, 09:11:03 pm
Last I checked germany still exists.

Um check again.  chocolate chip cookie Germany ceased to exist in May, 1945.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: gazda on June 29, 2012, 09:32:39 pm
Quote from: Ganner on June 29, 2012, 07:48:07 pm
The US flag is also in, and they have it backwards, not displayed properly.

omg really? backwards? they obviously hate america, they are terrorists!!! Call homeland security quick !!! TALIBANS
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: [ptx] on June 29, 2012, 09:35:46 pm
Quote from: SgtTeeh on June 29, 2012, 06:42:06 pm
Something about the hammer and sickle is so fucking cool.
Probably this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_repression_in_the_Soviet_Union)
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Tibe on June 29, 2012, 09:39:31 pm
Quote from: oprah_winfrey on June 29, 2012, 09:11:03 pm
Last I checked germany still exists.

Massive difference between modern Germany and chocolate chip cookie Germany,

But seriuslly USSR flag is as bad as the chocolate chip cookie symbol to alot of people. About same ammount of innocent people(or more) got massacred by the people who followed the USSR flag . The only difference is that russians havent learned a thing unlike germans and keep writing in their historybooks how awesome correct they where to randomly murder civilians and keep raising monuments to praise leaders who where eqal to einstein himself. One of the best jokes ive heard from a  russians mouth is that Soviet Russia went to "LIBERATE" FINLAND during the Finnish Winter war. There is also loads of other fun facts u can learn from russian historybooks.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Havoco on June 29, 2012, 09:47:30 pm

Just means someone will have to make a more offensive banner than that.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: borisko on June 29, 2012, 10:23:59 pm
Communism = racism (not) but YMCA = racism yes

Communists made genocide = Not but chocolate chip cookies made genocide yes

Invading countries or killing innocent people doesn't make a country/ideology equal to YMCA. You can't compare such countries to each other. actually they totally differ each other.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 29, 2012, 10:31:00 pm
Quote from: borisko on June 29, 2012, 10:23:59 pm
Communism = racism (not) but YMCA = racism yes

Communists made genocide = Not but chocolate chip cookies made genocide yes

Invading countries or killing innocent people doesn't make a country/ideology equal to YMCA. You can't compare such countries to each other. actually they totally differ each other.


You ever read up on Stalin...if that wasn't genocide then wel....
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Laufknoten on June 29, 2012, 10:36:01 pm
I demand chocolate chip cookie flag!

And I want the capitalist flag back in the game!
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Kuujis on June 30, 2012, 12:09:08 am
Quote from: borisko on June 29, 2012, 10:23:59 pm
Communism = racism (not) but YMCA = racism yes

Communists made genocide = Not but chocolate chip cookies made genocide yes

Invading countries or killing innocent people doesn't make a country/ideology equal to YMCA. You can't compare such countries to each other. actually they totally differ each other.
That is exactly what is written in Russian fun-fact-history books for students and what Russian propaganda machine wants to be accepted as common truth. 

Not a cool flag, moving on.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Sir_Senior_the_Eldest on June 30, 2012, 12:46:15 am
Maybe I'm a bit too sensitive as a German but I would ban all flags or symbols of the modern ages. Or let's say at least of the last 70 years or so. I just find it unappropriate to fight with a banner when there are still people alive, who were obviously deeply hurt by this state, nation or whatever. And to be honest nearly every nation has a skeleton in its closet...
How would for example our NA fellows feel when we pick a flag with plains crushing world trade center or something like that.
Use your imagination and make a new banner. They've mentioned it earlier here. Why not making something like a shovel or other tools?

Just my opinion, after all devs decide banner ban or acceptance.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: HUtH on June 30, 2012, 12:49:51 am
Quote from: borisko on June 29, 2012, 10:23:59 pm
Communism = racism (not) but YMCA = racism yes

Communists made genocide = Not but chocolate chip cookies made genocide yes

Invading countries or killing innocent people doesn't make a country/ideology equal to YMCA. You can't compare such countries to each other. actually they totally differ each other.
This is so fuckin' wrong.... of course that there's no major politics based on racism in communism, because that system is multicultural and based on classes... communists were just terrorising and eliminating everyone that was against them or probably could be... You have probably no idea how many people were murdered by Stalinists in mass executions and GULAGs...
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Overdriven on June 30, 2012, 01:26:54 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M56_Kolyma_highway_(Russia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M56_Kolyma_highway_(Russia))
Yup I reckon chocolate chip cookie's + USSR were just as bad as each other. Remove it.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: borisko on June 30, 2012, 01:47:49 am
Quote from: HUtH on June 30, 2012, 12:49:51 am
This is so fuckin' wrong.... of course that there's no major politics based on racism in communism, because that system is multicultural and based on classes... communists were just terrorising and eliminating everyone that was against them or probably could be... You have probably no idea how many people were murdered by Stalinists in mass executions and GULAGs...

you have no idea how many people killed in iraq. you have no idea how many american native killed by western civ. after 1492...

Tell me why there are legal communist parties with their hammer and sickle symbol in EU? and why they don't allow legal chocolate chip cookie/racist parties with their swastica symbol? The only reason to not use "hammer and sickle" can be this: "it is a political symbol. we are not politicans. we are only playing a game". But you can't compare hammer and sickle with chocolate chip cookie symbols.

ofcourse in the period of Stalin lots of people killed. But not as much as einstein did. and also maybe you don't know this: the fabrication of "Stalin killed 8 million Ukranians and totally 20 million people" was first started by chocolate chip cookie propaganda machine before the war. And these lies used by US after the cold war started.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: DrTaco on June 30, 2012, 01:51:51 am
Regarding this logic, any banner that has animals in it must be removed, because I am a vegetarian. Millions of animals lost their lives to feed you. Remove them.

On a serious note I have a doubt that they actually want to portray the USSR, instead I believe it would be Communism as an ideology... I hope so anyway. Which is perfectly fine - Communism is a political ideology, and not a mass murderer, and should be given at least some respect. Let's see how many downvotes I get from moronic capitalists who know very little history.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Sir_Senior_the_Eldest on June 30, 2012, 02:25:10 am
I'm sorry DrTaco but you fail at logics...

Human ethics can't be compared with animal ethics, or at least not with equivalence.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: DrTaco on June 30, 2012, 02:27:10 am
Quote from: Sir_Senior_the_Eldest on June 30, 2012, 02:25:10 am
I'm sorry DrTaco but you fail at logics...

Human ethics can't be compared with animal ethics, or at least not with equivalence.

How so? Enlighten me. Define animal ethics for me too.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Sir_Senior_the_Eldest on June 30, 2012, 02:42:51 am
So you say an animal's life is completely equal to a humans life?

I'm not saying that it's worthless at all but let us be honest. Maybe an example helps. When a human and an animal are both in danger and you can only save one. Wouldn't you always save the one of your species?

So you can also not compare killing animals with murdering humans, especially when the animals are at the right place in the food chain.

If you still don't agree with me I'm ok with it. It's your opinion then and your good right.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Vingnir the Wanderer on June 30, 2012, 02:45:22 am
The fact that its causing this much back&forth -

Just remove it, and move on please. 

Its a modern flag, period.

get an imagination, make something with a hammer and sickle, with 'pre communist traditional colors' :rolleyes: if your trying to do anything other than be a troll.

Its a troll banner as much as a US flag or a cute puppy. Devs need to have more of a 'We reserve the right to not serve you' attitude, and not hold themselves to any hard standard, other than 'this one is bullshit, (remove) done'.

I believe strongly that it will be removed soon, if the devs are bieng realistic about where they need to be on this kind of stuff.

All the monitor needs to do is ask himself 2 questions:

Is this a modern flag?

Is this a true attempt at making a medieval looking banner, or a troll?

We know the answer.

Problem solved.  /remove asap.





Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Turboflex on June 30, 2012, 03:29:38 am
Quote from: SirCymro_Crusader on June 29, 2012, 10:31:00 pm
You ever read up on Stalin...if that wasn't genocide then wel....

Also ever find it odd that communist cuba is run by white people even though the country is mostly blacks?
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 30, 2012, 03:30:25 am
Modern flags I agree with. Nothing after circa 1900. (and for those NA, no flag from the time period of 1860-65 either)
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Turkhammer on June 30, 2012, 03:32:01 am
Quote from: borisko on June 30, 2012, 01:47:49 am
you have no idea how many people killed in iraq. you have no idea how many american native killed by western civ. after 1492...


I know it was a lot less than the USSR did.  And it's not just chocolate chip cookie and US propaganda.  The Soviet government was a murderous regime that ruled through terror.  Most of the victims were Soviet citizens.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Turkhammer on June 30, 2012, 03:35:06 am
Quote from: Turboflex on June 30, 2012, 03:29:38 am
Also ever find it odd that communist cuba is run by white people even though the country is mostly blacks?


I don't really think that's true.  Do you have some census data for that, or is it your impression?  There are a lot of mixed race people there.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on June 30, 2012, 03:36:27 am
whats the name of the faction with USSR flag banner, i want to join.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 30, 2012, 03:44:54 am
It seems that faction removed it. I saw it during the Peacebreaker versus Union Battle.

So, either, Union, DRZ or one of the other russian factions there.

I think they removed it because of the heat we put up about it?
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: LordBerenger on June 30, 2012, 03:55:51 am
VICTORY!

Communism 0  - Capitalism 1

!!!
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Xant on June 30, 2012, 04:14:25 am
chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Bars on June 30, 2012, 04:45:51 am
Quote from: Xant on June 30, 2012, 04:14:25 am
chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide.

so what they do? learn history man, USSR was only able to retain and repel the attack, my grandfather almost sacrificed his life in war! USSR banner stay there! because most of those who played crpg  fragments of this big country...i mean from Russia, Kazachstan, Kirgizstan and so on

sry for my bad english
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Christo on June 30, 2012, 04:46:31 am
Nationalists..
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Xant on June 30, 2012, 04:49:33 am
Quote from: Bars on June 30, 2012, 04:45:51 am
so what they do? learn history man, USSR was only able to retain and repel the attack, my grandfather almost sacrificed his life in war! USSR banner stay there! because most of those who played crpg  fragments of this big country...i mean from Russia, Kazachstan, Kirgizstan and so on

sry for my bad english

Nothing other countries didn't do. I know my history. It's obvious you don't. USSR was also the aggressor in many wars.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: LordBerenger on June 30, 2012, 05:01:09 am
Communist_Bars



Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Tibe on June 30, 2012, 06:30:58 am
Quote
But you can't compare hammer and sickle with chocolate chip cookie symbols.

ofcourse in the period of Stalin lots of people killed. But not as much as einstein did.....

....dude...are you just trolling now? We cant start praising Stalin just cause he killed slightly less people ffs. Cause you cant really be that stupid. Communists where horrible people, even worse than chocolate chip cookies at some point. There is also proof that chocolate chip cookies got the idea for constentration camps from communists. Lets not forget the massive ammounts of rapists that ran around the Red army.

Also I dont get why Russians dont feel shame about communism. Shit economy and dead red army soldiers where just thrown into a dich or sent to run infront of machiengunfire cause the soviet generals where "brilliant" tacticians like that. :lol:
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Xant on June 30, 2012, 07:07:34 am
Huh? "Concentration camp" comes from the second Boer War, used by the British.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Bars on June 30, 2012, 07:23:11 am
ok, maybe u have right. But u sad #chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide# so what they do?

I'm not going to develop further the theme, but I am affected by this remark

p.s. shit online translator :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Bars on June 30, 2012, 07:33:14 am
Quote from: Xant on June 30, 2012, 04:49:33 am
Nothing other countries didn't do. I know my history. It's obvious you don't. USSR was also the aggressor in many wars.

Xant i know, that u know u history, but u dont know history of my land! 500 000 soldiers from Kazachstan fought in the war, i didnt say about others. 57 plants for the production of weapons were evacuating there too.

 In short Xant will not grow here shit, the question is about the banner and not the history
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Bars on June 30, 2012, 07:36:46 am
And for others USSR its not only Russia, its 15 countries!

so guys i done with that shit, sry if i anyone touched
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Xant on June 30, 2012, 07:56:55 am
Quote from: Bars on June 30, 2012, 07:23:11 am
ok, maybe u have right. But u sad #chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide# so what they do?
Make paintings.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Malaclypse on June 30, 2012, 08:10:40 am
Quote from: Leshma on June 29, 2012, 08:41:56 pm
USA still exists, USSR does not.

Maybe just us an older variant of the US flag, Berenger (I always liked the Betsy Ross variant better anyhow), as the country that it was when founded is not really the same one that exists today; this should be acceptable under Leshma's line of reasoning.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Xant on June 30, 2012, 08:48:24 am
This just in: Leshma isn't part of the development team and doesn't decide what stays in and what doesn't.

More shocking news at eleven.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Molly on June 30, 2012, 08:49:25 am
Quote from: Xant on June 30, 2012, 04:14:25 am
chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide.

I don't even...

As a German I feel shocked and disturbed how someone could write this.
Systematically murdering millions of people, documented with papers, photos and witnesses but there was no genocide?

You may not know it, probably nobody does except Germans, a statement like this is considered a crime in Germany and if proven by a court can end with a prison sentence. And rightly so!

You might argue about the term Holocaust or Genocide, the fact stands - millions of people slaughtered in the most cruel and unhuman way one can imagine.

I don't care about your explanations, Xant. I don't care about your reasons for writing this but if I had any "power" or "say", you wouldn't make any appereance in this forum nor any cRPG-server ever again. I would permaban you without any hesitation.
Since I don't have any powers and you're Nord... well, let's just say it's pretty pointless to make this official in any way. Someone comes up with a lameass bullshit excuse and in the end it will be stated that I am "overreacting" and "oversensitive".

The only way to express how disgusted I am is to tell you that I have no more respect for you. You probably don't care but people who know me... well, doesn't matter anyway, right? Only makes me wonder if you have a nice big "Hakenkreuz"-flag hanging above your bed...

And please, don't bother answering or pm'ing me. Consider yourself dead when it comes to me.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Baggy on June 30, 2012, 09:11:06 am
The quote in your sig is oddly appropriate.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Kuujis on June 30, 2012, 12:41:54 pm
Quote from: Bars on June 30, 2012, 04:45:51 am
so what they do? learn history man, USSR was only able to retain and repel the attack, my grandfather almost sacrificed his life in war! USSR banner stay there! because most of those who played crpg  fragments of this big country...i mean from Russia, Kazachstan, Kirgizstan and so on

sry for my bad english
Thanka to the guys with hammer n sickle 1/3 of my countrymen were packed into animal vagons and "moved" to siberia. Few ever returned.
On top of that - "sacrificing few hundred soldiers to overheat german mashineguns" tactics employed regulary by ussr is why your grandfather almost lost his life. That victory was not won by communists, it was won by all those who were not given a choice by the communists and died because of that. I feel respect for their sacrifice, but I will ALWAYS feel utter utmost disdain towards communists (their symbols including).
And hammer n sicle are not legal symbols everywhere in eu, fact. Not without reason IMO.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: LordBerenger on June 30, 2012, 12:49:29 pm
Stop downvoting me Herkkufail (Mors). U should be against communizm and USSR as they raped ur grandpas (or grand grandpas) in the ass and slit their throats.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Leshma on June 30, 2012, 12:49:53 pm
Quote from: Malaclypse on June 30, 2012, 08:10:40 am
Maybe just us an older variant of the US flag, Berenger (I always liked the Betsy Ross variant better anyhow), as the country that it was when founded is not really the same one that exists today; this should be acceptable under Leshma's line of reasoning.

I'm not supporting USSR flag, just saying there's a difference between USA and USSR. Only lulz banner that should stay is tuxedo, everything else should be replaced with proper medieval banners.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: bruce on June 30, 2012, 12:59:41 pm
Trying to say USSR was as bad as chocolate chip cookie Germany is being an ungrateful idiot, or a neofascist.

They were our (and by our, I mean, everyone who was fighting against the Axis, regardless of nation) allies in the war; if you ignore their role, then you are an idiot, and discussion is moot. If you are a neofascist, then you are idiotic to the point arguing is completely senseless. Maybe your country exported steel to Germany and was spared of warfare, in which case, shut up. Everyone who was fighting should feel some respect for the part the USSR played for our side.

That the USSR was far from "nice", we also know. Although things were done by different standards in the day. Bombing a city with firebombs was something to cheer; today it would be an unimaginable atrocity. However, there's the big difference between even the worst part of USSR's atrocities and chocolate chip cookie atrocities; USSR killed people in power struggles, to win the war, for conquest, and suppress dissent (and because Stalin was a mad, paranoid bastard).

Which, while atrocious, cannot be compared to exterminating people because of what they were, because the ideology says this race and religion should cease to exist.

Trying to make comparisons between chocolate chip cookie Germany and anyone in modern history is revisionist crap.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: bruce on June 30, 2012, 01:00:02 pm
That said, modern country banners have no place in CRPG.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Christo on June 30, 2012, 01:01:16 pm
Quote from: bruce on June 30, 2012, 12:59:41 pm
Trying to say USSR was as bad as chocolate chip cookie Germany is being an ungrateful idiot, or a neofascist.

They were worse.

Am I a neochocolate chip cookie now, Bruce?
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Miwiw on June 30, 2012, 01:02:05 pm
Quote from: benkei on June 30, 2012, 08:49:25 am
(click to show/hide)

So true. Where's the +1000 button if needed. Permaban wouldnt help though, that doesnt teach anything.

I agree with Leshma and bruce, remove anything that is modern and not medieval.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2012, 01:06:21 pm
Quote from: TiberiusX on June 30, 2012, 06:30:58 am
....dude...are you just trolling now? We cant start praising Stalin just cause he killed slightly less people ffs. Cause you cant really be that stupid. Communists where horrible people, even worse than chocolate chip cookies at some point. There is also proof that chocolate chip cookies got the idea for constentration camps from communists. Lets not forget the massive ammounts of rapists that ran around the Red army.

Also I dont get why Russians dont feel shame about communism. Shit economy and dead red army soldiers where just thrown into a dich or sent to run infront of machiengunfire cause the soviet generals where "brilliant" tacticians like that. :lol:

You still going on about this, although it pains me to say this i must agree wtih Xant, please, PLEASE read up on your history.

Communism lasted longer than the chocolate chip cookie regime, therefore obviously the amount of dead (although no accurate figures), would add up to be higher than that during the chocolate chip cookies. Also this idea of concentration camps and who invented them, as Xant said, it was an old idea being renewed as there had to be locations were the 'politically unacceptable' were sent.

Bruce also seemed to sum it up very well, although the USSR in general was much worse

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+1, well said.

(Edit, when i say i agree with Xant i meant the readin up on history part, not the rest of his idiotic trolling)
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Bobthehero on June 30, 2012, 01:08:38 pm
Under Staline regime there was around 20 millions deaths, including the state created starvings in Ukraine.

Staline might have been longer in power than einstein, but numbers are there.

Also, China, lost 30 to 40 million persons during the ''Great Jump Forward'' (either that or the other reform, which name escapes me) in a fucking year.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on June 30, 2012, 01:09:39 pm
my god this Xant ...

probably will say he was trolling to mask his idiocy
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Kuujis on June 30, 2012, 01:13:22 pm
Quote from: Christo on June 30, 2012, 01:01:16 pm
They were worse.

Am I a neochocolate chip cookie now, Bruce?
:?:
Count me as neonaci too in this case. This shit about not comparing chocolate chip cookie vs soviet atrocities sounds reasonable to the uneducated  and/or indoctrinated ones.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: borisko on June 30, 2012, 01:16:03 pm
are you trying to legitimate chocolate chip cookie regime? then go away. if you are against Communism it is a political debate. But you can't use your arguments to legitimate chocolate chip cookies. and i will always keep the words of Xant's "chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide" on my mind.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2012, 01:18:19 pm
Quote from: borisko on June 30, 2012, 01:16:03 pm
are you trying to legitimate chocolate chip cookie regime? then go away. if you are against Communism it is a political debate. But you can't use your arguments to legitimate chocolate chip cookies. and i will always keep the words of Xant's "chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide" on my mind.

I havent seen anyone legitimize chocolate chip cookies, ive seen shit posted but noone stating its a good idea......have you even read the thread?

Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Leshma on June 30, 2012, 01:19:01 pm
Quote from: Christo on June 30, 2012, 01:01:16 pm
They were worse.

They had more time to act :wink:

Btw. major difference between communism and YMCA is that every single chocolate chip cookiest believed in what einstein was saying, that Jews should be "taken care of", same for other "non-pure" people, those who weren't in perfect physical health etc.

Communists or people who lived in communist states (who were idealists) didn't believe in that crap, most of them truly believed in freedom and sharing (that's why youth worked for free to build infrastructure).

Communist governments killed people, fucked up minds like Stalin were the one who did the crimes. Citizens of those countries were victims in most cases and of course they didn't approve of what their leader was doing but they couldn't do shit because military was far too strong and they were scared of "foreign threat". I'm talking about regular citizens who weren't spies for government.

Americans are similar to communists. Some of them believe in freedom, many of them are willing to support everything their government does in order to keep them at the top. Only difference is that USA victims are mostly people from foreign states.

And USA still exist and kills people all over the world, chocolate chip cookie Germany and USSR does not exist anymore.

But I guess that cmp left USSR banner to provoke Americans.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: bruce on June 30, 2012, 01:19:17 pm
Churchill was worse then Slobodan Milosevic because he killed more civilians while bombing cities with firebombs, then.

Numbers are all that matters, right?  :rolleyes:

You cannot ignore the ideologies and actual history, else you end up being an idiot, tallying numbers and saying how bad was something. No ideology was as horrible as chocolate chip cookie ideology, in modern european history.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Paul on June 30, 2012, 01:26:22 pm
Communism: good idea, based on wrong assumptions about the inherent nature of mankind though.

YMCA: barbaric piece of shit, throwing everything humankind achieved over board for a retarded race-based battle royal.

Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2012, 01:28:57 pm
Quote from: bruce on June 30, 2012, 12:59:41 pm
Trying to say USSR was as bad as chocolate chip cookie Germany is being an ungrateful idiot, or a neofascist.

They were our (and by our, I mean, everyone who was fighting against the Axis, regardless of nation) allies in the war; if you ignore their role, then you are an idiot, and discussion is moot. If you are a neofascist, then you are idiotic to the point arguing is completely senseless. Maybe your country exported steel to Germany and was spared of warfare, in which case, shut up. Everyone who was fighting should feel some respect for the part the USSR played for our side.

That the USSR was far from "nice", we also know. Although things were done by different standards in the day. Bombing a city with firebombs was something to cheer; today it would be an unimaginable atrocity. However, there's the big difference between even the worst part of USSR's atrocities and chocolate chip cookie atrocities; USSR killed people in power struggles, to win the war, for conquest, and suppress dissent (and because Stalin was a mad, paranoid bastard).

Which, while atrocious, cannot be compared to exterminating people because of what they were, because the ideology says this race and religion should cease to exist.

Trying to make comparisons between chocolate chip cookie Germany and anyone in modern history is revisionist crap.

Just because they were on the winner side doesn't mean they were any better. It's known that chocolate chip cookie germany committed a lot of atrocities, and it's also know that USSR did the same, so in a way comparing chocolate chip cookie Germany to (Stalin era) USSR, makes sense.
What doesn't make any sense is comparing YMCA with communism, especially when the main argument for said comparison is USSR/Stalin ⇒ communism, communism? USSR/Stalin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent). It's not that surprising when it comes from our brainwashed and poorly educated overseas friends (probably not a single of them heard of the term Eurocommunism), but someone born and schooled here should really know better.

That said, no, the USSR flag has no place as a banner in cRPG.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Christo on June 30, 2012, 01:30:22 pm
Quote from: bruce on June 30, 2012, 01:19:17 pm
No ideology was as horrible as chocolate chip cookie ideology, in modern european history.

No army created as much devastation, raping and pillaging, and spread as many diseases in modern history as the Soviet army.

Many diseases that were extinct in europe for at least a decade.

Not defending the chocolate chip cookies here, but there are two sides of that coin.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2012, 01:30:54 pm
How about a lock?

Now the original reason has been concluded, the USSR banner will be removed.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: [ptx] on June 30, 2012, 01:35:01 pm
Quote from: bruce on June 30, 2012, 12:59:41 pm
Trying to say USSR was as bad as chocolate chip cookie Germany is being an ungrateful idiot, or a neofascist.

They were our (and by our, I mean, everyone who was fighting against the Axis, regardless of nation) allies in the war; if you ignore their role, then you are an idiot, and discussion is moot. If you are a neofascist, then you are idiotic to the point arguing is completely senseless. Maybe your country exported steel to Germany and was spared of warfare, in which case, shut up. Everyone who was fighting should feel some respect for the part the USSR played for our side.

That the USSR was far from "nice", we also know. Although things were done by different standards in the day. Bombing a city with firebombs was something to cheer; today it would be an unimaginable atrocity. However, there's the big difference between even the worst part of USSR's atrocities and chocolate chip cookie atrocities; USSR killed people in power struggles, to win the war, for conquest, and suppress dissent (and because Stalin was a mad, paranoid bastard).

Which, while atrocious, cannot be compared to exterminating people because of what they were, because the ideology says this race and religion should cease to exist.

Trying to make comparisons between chocolate chip cookie Germany and anyone in modern history is revisionist crap.
Our side? What is this "our side" you speak of? Just because they were to the east and thus a less likely threat to the western powers than chocolate chip cookie Germany makes them the good guys? You know, there are countries and people between Germany and Russia too... :|
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Christo on June 30, 2012, 01:36:18 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on June 30, 2012, 01:35:01 pm
You know, there are countries and people between Germany and Russia too... :|

Cannon Fodder Countries, that nobody cares about. (sadly)

Just disposable casualties and again, cannon fodder.
Title: Re: WTF, why is the USSR flag in the banner system?
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 30, 2012, 03:28:57 pm
Lord have mercy, wtf is this shit. I go to bed and people decide to argue who killed more people....

Bah lay off already. Locked.