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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Tomas_of_Miles on March 29, 2011, 04:57:05 am
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Hey guys, I'm sure there are some shady characters out there... someone has got to know some effective high-profile target killing methods that work right? I would like to hear from all builds and playing styles, I've had a look at the ninja clan's website, and there are some pretty good tips there, but I would like to know some more. By taking out key tactical players like Phazh who command people, or heavy hitters like Vicious, Bjord, or Tommy, you can reduce the casualties to your team. I sometimes feel like I can't rely on the side I'm on to work together, so solo MVP-killing tactics would be nice.
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looking far less powerful than you are.
Just don't dress as a peasant and you'll be fine. Everyone singles out peasants. :(
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Just don't dress as a peasant and you'll be fine. Everyone singles out peasants. :(
lol, so true if you want to get shot by arrow, bolt or get nailed by a throwing weapon go peasant.
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and remember
if its not an archer kill it in one hit :o
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Have your shielders kite enemies and then backstab them. Most of them don't pay attention once they're being kited.
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I would imagine a true assasin char having high athlethics AND higher PS (at the cost of WM and IF, probably) + a very hard hitting weapon. Morningstar, perhaps.
Probably go for backstabs, when your target is engaged in combat already. Flanking alone will mostly fail, except for some maps, maybe.
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Run around with an awlpike (or other high dmg weapon-- pierce or blunt being best OR LONG weapon. length can be very important in surprises) sheathed, in light but normal looking gear that doesn't scream "SHOOT AT ME ARCHERS"
Then, surprise backstab with full movement speed.
OR, you know, be a team player and do the same thing but with a 3x higher KD for you AND your tag-team, whilst doing less running around the map hunting nonsense. Not to mention higher survivability.
Most of my kills fall under the teamplaying category.
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If you want to assassinate one, chosen target, I think the best would be sniper crossbow with lots of wpf, so you reload your xbow quite fast and your reticule is at max accuracy:
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 15
Agility: 27
Hit points: 50
Converted: 14
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 4
Shield: 0
Athletics: 4
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 9
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 181
Throwing: 1
Siege crossbow and any secondary weapon you like. What you are going to do is go with your team, shot around and when you will spot your target, snipe him down.
BTW I will go with that build soon :D
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Last night, when attacking a village, i was trying to lead the troops into an assault on the roof.
As usual, i was parading around with my red flag. I charged forward, dismounted and started to deploy the ladder... and *boom*, Ronald Meliossandro shot me in the head with his xbow. :D
So that seemed to work out nicely. :rolleyes:
Battlefield enemy commander assassination tactic:
1) camp at the edge of the village you are defending
2) wait for that idiot on the Steppe Horse with the Huscarl shield on his back and the big red flag on his head
3) take careful aim as he dismounts
4) shoot as he attempts to deploy ladder
5) boom, headshot!
Works nicely and 'demoralizes' enemy team.
No ranged weapon? If you mananage to hide near where i'll deploy my ladder, you can probably do this as a melee character too.
But assassinating probably works best with throwing lances and high powerthrow. Easiest weapon to one-shot people with. As a melee assassin, i'd go for a high pierce damage weapon... or perhaps even a blunt weapon and hope for the knockdown.
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Melee assassin? Of course, its possible, tho hard: you have to run fast enough so you can hide etc. And if your target is protected, it will be hard with melee. Thats why i recommend sniper.
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But assassinating probably works best with throwing lances and high powerthrow. Easiest weapon to one-shot people with. As a melee assassin, i'd go for a high pierce damage weapon... or perhaps even a blunt weapon and hope for the knockdown.
Too bad you need to be in his face to score the kill with throwing lances. It's not much of an assassination weapon. It does kill in 1 hit most of the time though. But in the situation described by you earlier, it's quite possible I can't hit you with 8 lances when you're just standing there being AFK when I'm on the roof.
For melee, I saw something effective yesterday: Ninja build with barmace. Not for the crushthrough, but for the blunt damage, speed and knockdown.
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My favourite: Hide somewhere 'til the enemy group runs past you then run after them and often they don't even realize you're an enemy if you don't act aggressively. I once spent 2 minutes in the middle of the enemy, then decided to kill their archers and run for it. I killed 3 and managed to get away unharmed :P
Did the same last week, killed Bjord by backstabbing him in the middle of his friends ;)
Requires a map with good hiding spots, though, and high athletics to get to a spot where the enemy doesn't expect anyone to be in yet.
Only managed to pull this off successfully maybe 5 times, but it's oh so fun when you do it.
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My favourite: Hide somewhere 'til the enemy group runs past you then run after them and often they don't even realize you're an enemy if you don't act aggressively. I once spent 2 minutes in the middle of the enemy, then decided to kill their archers and run for it. I killed 3 and managed to get away unharmed :P
This is the most fun and effective way to play i found so far, you can do the same by flanking if you're good at not attracting attention.
Key to good flanking is avoiding aware enemies and keep running straight when you get spotted smashing unaware heads in your way. Don't waste time dueling, you will attract attention and get killed if you re by yourself.
Did the same last week, killed Bjord by backstabbing him in the middle of his friends ;)
killing Bjord (by behind) is always a thrill, i just love how is always a soar looser in chat, example:" he hit me once and then i couldn't block CHEAT" :mrgreen:
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Nah, Bjord was cool about it.
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All of this sounds like good advise, when I reach level 31 again, I'm gonna use my MW Sniper, and 3rd gen steel bolts, and probably a 2h. Because mounted thrower is harder than it looks, and is pretty skill points intensive. Gonna go for high athletics.
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This isn't for the sake of rp, or ego btw it's for when the team just won't cooperate and need a helping hand.
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Assassination...
This isn't Assassin's Creed guys, your target turns around, and you can f*ck your precious assassination.
Also using knives/daggers is no good for your health, at least grab an 1h sword, for style. What assassin would bring a big Zweihänder into a fight either?
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Read the whole thread before posting. Who was talking about dagger? A CLUE: no one.
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i run around with a Espada Eslavona on my 1h not using a shield quite often.
The run and thrust is quite deadly especially against some guy who's backing up while slaying half your team. no-one expects the peasant with a 1h and no shield!
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Read the whole thread before posting. Who was talking about dagger? A CLUE: no one.
I did.
I'm just stating that the typical Cloak&Dagger style is not effective here.
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I would imagine a true assasin char having high athlethics AND higher PS (at the cost of WM and IF, probably) + a very hard hitting weapon. Morningstar, perhaps.
Probably go for backstabs, when your target is engaged in combat already. Flanking alone will mostly fail, except for some maps, maybe.
My old build: 31 agil 9 STR 10 athletics. Used Red tunic, black hood, loomed long dagger, leather gloves, leather boots.
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Despite the title of the thread lending itself to that theatrical game Assassins Creed, I just want some M&B applicable tips for killing MVPs. The most part of the response has been pretty good, so keep the criticism constructive please! :mrgreen:
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i said somwhere else, but i realy think it would be cool if it would be added
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should be held so that edge goes out opposite way than other weps (as if it had -length)
10,000 gold
40 pierce
0 length (fist range)
only overhead
no block
and yes, i know thread isnt about daggers
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A couched lance when the target is already engaged usually works
Using ladders or speed to reach locations where people don't look and waiting for the enemy team to mostly pass by works as well. Most teams don't look behind them for a while after spawn.
In my opinion, assassination is less about weaponry and more about placement.
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i said somwhere else, but i realy think it would be cool if it would be added
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should be held so that edge goes out opposite way than other weps (as if it had -length)
10,000 gold
40 pierce
0 length (fist range)
only overhead
no block
and yes, i know thread isnt about daggers
I... I support this being added, although it needs 5 range to be held in the middle of the hand; Stone has 7 weapon length.
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The question is, what speed?
40 pierce is a lot. I suggest maybe 90 speed, would do the trick.
Also, cant use with shield and maybe unbalanced? tho i am not sure if unbalanced will affect this weapon in any way if it cant block anyway and only 1 attack (no feinting, then).
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The question is, what speed?
40 pierce is a lot. I suggest maybe 90 speed, would do the trick.
Also, cant use with shield and maybe unbalanced? tho i am not sure if unbalanced will affect this weapon in any way if it cant block anyway and only 1 attack (no feinting, then).
I auto assumed can't use with shield out of habbit due to increased damage
speed would be irrelevant with no range, The animation length on an overhead for a onehander is laughable. It could be 110 even and nobody would whine.
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So... what req? Thats the problem, if someone modeled such a weapon, we'd need to balance it, if agi stackers could use it. Would be sweet with 3str req, getting to 12athletics and still damaging would have never been that easy :D
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Assassination...
This isn't Assassin's Creed guys, your target turns around, and you can f*ck your precious assassination.
Also using knives/daggers is no good for your health, at least grab an 1h sword, for style. What assassin would bring a big Zweihänder into a fight either?
Erm, my apologies but the definition of Assassination does not include anything about only using small weapons.
You can assassinate someone with a ten megaton thermonuclear bomb, or a falling elephant, or a car.
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You cant mele assasinate game changing players. Mostly they have a horde of followers and you cant really suprise em. Only archers and crossbowmen are good backstabbing targets. You need high speed to be able to flank them, but therefore you have lower strength and cant always oneshot them. Lucklily these ranged fools have to switch weapons first giving you two free hits. Especially archers suffer from tunnelvision badly and they are quite easy to sneak up on.
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True assassin knows that the best tactic is to get close to his target, unaware, wait for him to be busy, and better wounded, before realeasing the lethal strike. And how to better deceive your target's attention than to join his team...?
Yes. Yes, poor soul, you might get polled for TK... The dark art of asssassination is unfortunately not very popular. However, as a mindful professional you will have corrupted some fellow players beforehands (or better: joined a clan): they will confirm to the admin that this was a mere accident or a justified act of self-defense and encourage the dubious crowd to press 2.
Unbeatable.
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people usually wait till their target is already fighting for their life and then engage them
if you can remain unseen (by target) until the backstab it makes it easier too
team up with a cav on ts/vent for lols too
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One of the hardest, but most rewarding assassin tactics (only used it successfully on two players):
1. Find a target
2. Observe the person for a few rounds
3. Learn his pattern & equipment (how he/she looks like, and often used camp spots)
4. Engage in a conversation with the victim prior to the assassination
This is the hard part, and requires great timing. While flanking your victim, ask him/her one question that he/she cannot help but answer, the question has to require a somewhat lengthy response.
5. Watch as your victim stops moving, and starts typing....
6. Move in for the kill
7. laugh at victim in chat :D
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^ That is diabolical indeed, gotta try it sometimes.
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One of the hardest, but most rewarding assassin tactics (only used it successfully on two players):
1. Find a target
2. Observe the person for a few rounds
3. Learn his pattern & equipment (how he/she looks like, and often used camp spots)
4. Engage in a conversation with the victim prior to the assassination
This is the hard part, and requires great timing. While flanking your victim, ask him/her one question that he/she cannot help but answer, the question has to require a somewhat lengthy response.
5. Watch as your victim stops moving, and starts typing....
6. Move in for the kill
7. laugh at victim in chat :D
:lol:
I always knew you Ninjas are evil folks, xD
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One of the hardest, but most rewarding assassin tactics (only used it successfully on two players):
1. Find a target
2. Observe the person for a few rounds
3. Learn his pattern & equipment (how he/she looks like, and often used camp spots)
4. Engage in a conversation with the victim prior to the assassination
This is the hard part, and requires great timing. While flanking your victim, ask him/her one question that he/she cannot help but answer, the question has to require a somewhat lengthy response.
5. Watch as your victim stops moving, and starts typing....
6. Move in for the kill
7. laugh at victim in chat :D
That is a good one, I was chatting to Superbeast the other night whilst in a battle, and after calling him a Bad Santa, he felt the need to respond, and I lanced him, but I didnt know he was typing lol.
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l2p and you won't even need to troll the chat ;)
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And I would say Phzah is very succeptible to this tactics.
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And I would say Phzah is very succeptible to this tactics.
qft
Trying to do tactics + having to admin = lots and lots of typing. Death by typing ftl. :|
Then again, often my team really doesn't need me at all and i just get to have a short break. It's all good. Whatever happens, please keep killing me. No need for any honor on the battlefield. :P
I need to practice my timing my typing better. :lol:
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ADD TORBEN TO THE LIST OF PLAYERS WHO NEEEEEDS TO BE TAKEN DOOOOOOOWWWWNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!111!!!!!!11ONEONEONE :evil:
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Why, who is Torben?
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This is my favorite style of playing, mostly due to the fact that I am a terrible shot (in an FPS) or swordsman in this game and have to rely on surprise for half a chance. I've only played a short time, but have had some success finding an open path, getting behind folks (especially archers) and capping a flag by my self or with the few who catch up.
However, a secret assassin can't talk about his tactics, right? I'll say that I love the spiked mace. I'm still figuring out the game and on gen 3 haven't heir loomed much yet, but using unsuspecting things really helps.
It really helps to divide attention both for what you're after and what's after you. I've fallen for the ignoring-you-attacking-your-teammate-but-not-really feint too often.
Only on my 3rd gen, but am trying archery to throw a little change in. I've had a few successes of landing a few shots, being ignored, then slashing from behind with my cleaver.
High athletics, light armor, and quick weapons really help. Same with clever laddering.
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One of the hardest, but most rewarding assassin tactics (only used it successfully on two players):
1. Find a target
2. Observe the person for a few rounds
3. Learn his pattern & equipment (how he/she looks like, and often used camp spots)
4. Engage in a conversation with the victim prior to the assassination
This is the hard part, and requires great timing. While flanking your victim, ask him/her one question that he/she cannot help but answer, the question has to require a somewhat lengthy response.
5. Watch as your victim stops moving, and starts typing....
6. Move in for the kill
7. laugh at victim in chat :D
Theres a reason i don't talk to ninjas.
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Theres a reason i don't talk to ninjas.
theres a reason i allways walk while chatting