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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Gnjus on June 05, 2012, 05:47:19 pm

Title: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Gnjus on June 05, 2012, 05:47:19 pm
Greetings,

the warriors of Allah would like to humbly request the adding of these armors/helmets that would get us closer to our God and distinguish us from the infidels, also they would reduce the chances for Allah to pick the wrong guys on the battlefield for saving & helping. I believe they are all part of Sonyer's OSP and i believe the creator already gave his blessing for the usage of it:

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Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: LordBerenger on June 05, 2012, 05:49:01 pm
God Does NOT wills it.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Boerenlater on June 05, 2012, 06:40:36 pm
As a true saracen, I hope Alluh will show his mercy and let the devs implement this.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: B3RS3RK on June 05, 2012, 06:50:16 pm
I agree, although this misses a really light armor one could wear as archer...or even a desert horse archer *winkwink*
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on June 05, 2012, 07:07:51 pm
And camels.

But yeah nice armour. 2nd set especially.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Adamar on June 05, 2012, 07:13:18 pm
Woof, way too much metal showing. Saracens wore linen tunics over metal, to reduce heat from the sun. It feels like those guys dont live in the desert at all.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Black Wind on June 05, 2012, 07:35:09 pm
I would very much appreciate an arab armour that shows the banner, not a tabard or anything european, but just like the banner painted onto the lamellar to represent clans.

But arab armour is all good. (y)
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Moncho on June 05, 2012, 07:43:16 pm
I would love to be able to backstab those filthy saracen, so please add the outfits :D
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Casimir on June 05, 2012, 08:36:36 pm
Will make killing panbaba even more satisfying of he's got a shiny outfit on.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Andy on June 05, 2012, 09:08:33 pm
The more armor the better, so sure, why not.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Ronin on June 06, 2012, 02:21:32 pm
Those look abso-fucking-lutely beautiful!
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Valknut on June 06, 2012, 04:06:29 pm
Don't we have enough saracen/arab armors?
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 06, 2012, 04:20:04 pm
Don't we have enough saracen/arab armors?

Panös says:
Quote
16:17 - beer: please reply to that guy
16:17 - beer: who says that we have enough armours
16:18 - beer: that most of them are Turkish themed
16:18 - beer: not arab/saracen
16:18 - beer: Thanks :)

Seconds later:
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16:20 - Panos: Beer
16:20 - Panos: hahahaha
16:21 - benkeii: yea well inserting "panös" ends up as "beer"
16:21 - Panos: i know that sherlock
16:21 - benkeii: doh
16:21 - Panos: DONT DOH ME
16:21 - benkeii: DOOOOOH!
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Adamar on June 06, 2012, 04:30:15 pm
We have a few fantasy pseudo-arabian armors in the game (aka Sarranid-).

Almost none (maybe 2 or 3) Items that really would go as medieval arabian stuff.

Neither go these, without the kind of tunics the saracens used to shield themselfs from the sun.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 06, 2012, 04:36:44 pm
I am actually kinda surprised that anybody could be against adding new armors and therefore more diversity on the battlefield. I mean, it's not like they look shabby or anything. Anybody cares to explain?

Besides, Panös emailed those guys and already asked them for permission and they even send him the files in a proper format.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Miwiw on June 06, 2012, 08:05:33 pm
erefore more diversity on the battlefield. I mean, it's not like they look shabby or anything. Anybody cares to explain?

Probably just not liking the topic of them. If I would have to choose I wouldn't add them as I won't use those anyway. But I do not really care. If others want to use them, why not. Go ahead and add them!!!!111 :)

btw the poll haha
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Peasant_Woman on June 06, 2012, 08:12:11 pm
Second one is looking baller with that cloth ribbon on there.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 07, 2012, 12:03:27 am
While I personally would love some good looking arab gear I'll say no on this as it's pretty much just pure retextures of other gear, doesn't look like that wellmade retextures either to me.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Adamar on June 07, 2012, 03:56:50 am
I am actually kinda surprised that anybody could be against adding new armors and therefore more diversity on the battlefield. I mean, it's not like they look shabby or anything. Anybody cares to explain?

Im a nut for realism. The topic says saracen armor, and saracens had tunics over everything else.

Nothing too big, I dont mind new armor, just misconceptions.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Patoson on June 07, 2012, 04:45:17 am
While I personally would love some good looking arab gear I'll say no on this as it's pretty much just pure retextures of other gear, doesn't look like that wellmade retextures either to me.

I completely agree with you. I love seeing new items, but not when they're just retextures or mixtures of different existing models, like some of the last armours that were added (although the Sipahi Yawshan and those with a cape are beautiful).
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Huey Newton on June 07, 2012, 08:01:59 am
Yes please.
These look beautiful and, if the creator allows it, they should be added right away.
Praise be to Allah
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Svitjodvarg on June 07, 2012, 08:08:37 am
Add more european armors.. the game is about mediaval warfare... and what did the arabs do during this period? getting slaughtered by people with superior equipment and skill.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: B3RS3RK on June 07, 2012, 08:11:38 am
Add more european armors.. the game is about mediaval warfare... and what did the arabs do during this period? getting slaughtered by people with superior equipment and skill.

You have no fucking clue of history bro.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Svitjodvarg on June 07, 2012, 08:17:02 am
You have no fucking clue of history bro.

I do. if the arabs would stand a chance against the western world. they would always have to outnumber their enemy. might be 1 or 2 times they won with lesser numbers. but yeah. running around with dresses and sticks will always be hard when you face people with plate armors.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 07, 2012, 09:39:51 am
This isnt about realism or we wouldnt even play this game since it's complete bullshit when it comes to reality...
This is about a lack of Arabian-styled armors in the mod. And since Panös already asked permission for the usage of this stuff, there just is no reason to not implement them... even if it's just for some new looks on the server.
For example just replace all those stupid dresses you can buy and wear but nobody does or even bothers with. One peasant dress, one noble dress and the wedding dress - kick the rest and replace it... there is a lot of space if the stuff which no-one is using would be removed.  8-)
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Gnjus on June 07, 2012, 10:05:30 am
Add more european armors.. the game is about mediaval warfare... and what did the arabs do during this period? getting slaughtered by people with superior equipment and skill.

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Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: bosco on June 07, 2012, 10:14:05 am
I do. if the arabs would stand a chance against the western world. they would always have to outnumber their enemy. might be 1 or 2 times they won with lesser numbers. but yeah. running around with dresses and sticks will always be hard when you face people with plate armors.

Apart from other blunders in this post, it's worth noting that plate armor only started surfacing in the 14th century and later. :wink:
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: gazda on June 07, 2012, 10:14:25 am
i vote yes for helmets and 3rd armor , others no
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: bosco on June 07, 2012, 10:18:35 am
In an ideal world we would get something like this

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But since that kind of quality usually isn't OSP, gotta make due with what there is.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Vibe on June 07, 2012, 10:35:28 am
Cool looking armors, +1
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 07, 2012, 10:37:42 am
Well, when I take a look at the poll, there are 100% of the people voting positively...  8-)
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Christo on June 07, 2012, 11:40:40 am
Good stuff.  8-)
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 07, 2012, 12:02:51 pm
i vote yes for helmets and 3rd armor , others ofc too
fixed.

...but I have to say that esspecially the 3rd armor is sweet, together with the 4th helmet! Sure would look nice!
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Adamar on June 07, 2012, 05:02:45 pm
You have no fucking clue of history bro.

Saladin did say that the europeans made the best weapons and armor.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Huey Newton on June 07, 2012, 10:26:15 pm
Saladin did say that the europeans made the best weapons and armor.

Maybe he did.
But saying arab armies were completely stomped?

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Adamar on June 08, 2012, 04:13:50 am
Sure, they didn't. I was just implying that there is some truth to the "Europeans kick ass" thing. You can't just dismiss it as cultural pride.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Ujin on June 08, 2012, 09:30:33 am
I really like when a clan picks a theme that actually makes some sort of historical sense and i was really pleasantly surprised to see you guys change from my old friends/bandits to saracens. Now i'm even more glad to see you actually going one step further and introducing these saracen armors. Way to go, + 1 from me =).
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Angantyr on June 08, 2012, 09:49:51 am
do eet
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 08, 2012, 10:22:11 am
I really like when a clan picks a theme that actually makes some sort of historical sense and i was really pleasantly surprised to see you guys change from my old friends/bandits to saracens. Now i'm even more glad to see you actually going one step further and introducing these saracen armors. Way to go, + 1 from me =).
Appreciated.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Gnjus on June 08, 2012, 02:27:42 pm
I really like when a clan picks a theme that actually makes some sort of historical sense and i was really pleasantly surprised to see you guys change from my old friends/bandits to saracens. Now i'm even more glad to see you actually going one step further and introducing these saracen armors. Way to go, + 1 from me =).

Well to tell you the truth - we're doing it with a memory of your lobbying success in our minds, they added Byzantium equipment when it was demanded, before it they added Russian stuff and Turkish stuff so i don't see a single reason good enough to turn all of this down, Pancake invested some effort into browsing the TW forum and collecting all that extra equipment info so he could post it in one thread and when you look at it - it's all serious business, no fantasy crap and dubious models. No reason not to add at least some of these things into cRPG. The more still equals the better, if I'm not mistaken.  :wink:

Oh and yes, I think the same as you Ujin - they say this is a fantasy game and that realism doesn't matter but those factions are clearly based on human history, the fact that its called Calradia, Sarranids, Nords, etc doesn't mean we shouldn't go for realism and historical accuracy, after all we're all here because we're fed up with fantasy bullshit and want to play a proper game for a change, without magic, "invented" stuff, etc. I prefer historical accuracy & realism above all and i would love to see a game like this with proper role-plays and dedicated time-line (lets say Crusades +- 200 years with possible older age stuff (since for all we know they might of still used some of it) but without plates, heavy armors, firearms, etc. I could write an essay here but you know what i mean.  :wink:
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Aljo on June 09, 2012, 11:11:57 am
God Does NOT wills it.

L2Speak English, stupid American.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Christo on June 09, 2012, 11:15:30 am
L2Speak English, stupid American.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 09, 2012, 11:20:03 am
So? New colors for Brigandine is good but these armors aren't?
Maybe some mighty Dev wants to make some kind of input?
Even if it's just the useless trolling we get most of the time... just saying.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on June 09, 2012, 11:27:27 am
Well to tell you the truth - we're doing it with a memory of your lobbying success in our minds, they added Byzantium equipment when it was demanded, before it they added Russian stuff and Turkish stuff so i don't see a single reason good enough to turn all of this down, Pancake invested some effort into browsing the TW forum and collecting all that extra equipment info so he could post it in one thread and when you look at it - it's all serious business, no fantasy crap and dubious models. No reason not to add at least some of these things into cRPG. The more still equals the better, if I'm not mistaken.  :wink:

Oh and yes, I think the same as you Ujin - they say this is a fantasy game and that realism doesn't matter but those factions are clearly based on human history, the fact that its called Calradia, Sarranids, Nords, etc doesn't mean we shouldn't go for realism and historical accuracy, after all we're all here because we're fed up with fantasy bullshit and want to play a proper game for a change, without magic, "invented" stuff, etc. I prefer historical accuracy & realism above all and i would love to see a game like this with proper role-plays and dedicated time-line (lets say Crusades +- 200 years with possible older age stuff (since for all we know they might of still used some of it) but without plates, heavy armors, firearms, etc. I could write an essay here but you know what i mean.  :wink:

Aye, add this please
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: LordBerenger on June 09, 2012, 12:52:48 pm
L2Speak English, stupid American.

Retards gonna retard. I'm sure you're not even familiar with the saying ''GOD WILLS IT''.

L2DERP properly kid.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Mlekce on June 09, 2012, 01:48:57 pm
look pretty,but it needs a little polishing. if you fix them i would like to be added in game.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Miwiw on June 09, 2012, 07:16:44 pm
So? New colors for Brigandine is good but these armors aren't?
Maybe some mighty Dev wants to make some kind of input?
Even if it's just the useless trolling we get most of the time... just saying.


It takes time to balance the stats of the items. They don't do this as their main job you know. We're happy that new armors are added by time and unless this thread would get a negative armor I do not see why you think it wont be added in time.
We don't need new armor now, so patience... (in this second :P)
But what Mlekce said, those full mail thingies look weird in some way.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 09, 2012, 08:03:58 pm

It takes time to balance the stats of the items. They don't do this as their main job you know. We're happy that new armors are added by time and unless this thread would get a negative armor I do not see why you think it wont be added in time.
We don't need new armor now, so patience... (in this second :P)
But what Mlekce said, those full mail thingies look weird in some way.

Well, I wasnt expecting a yes/no answer but at least a little hint that they discovered this thread and are at least thinking about it.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Mlekce on June 09, 2012, 11:08:46 pm
armor on bosko avatar looks so epic. that need to be added.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Bjord on June 09, 2012, 11:19:59 pm
I don't like the way the full-mail armours look like, but the lamellar ones look amazing!
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Muunilinst on June 10, 2012, 12:53:56 am
bump
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: kono yaro! on June 10, 2012, 01:07:44 am
why did bandits go saracen? are you guys muslims or just having a laugh?
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Bobthehero on June 10, 2012, 01:19:55 am
Maybe he did.
But saying arab armies were completely stomped?

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

In face to face combat, yes, Saladin wasn't using the same strategies that the Saraceens used during the 1st Crusades (if such a term can be coined, lets just say the first big push), where they got curbstomped most of the time. It also didn't help that the Saraceens were not united, some Emirs (not sure if that's the right term) would glady used the Crusaders push to get rid of competitors and enemies, allying themselves or taking their time before sending help to besieged cities.

During Saladin time, however, the situation was reversed, with the Europeans being split in 4 kingdoms lead by 4 differents kings an and a truckload of complicated relationship and weddings, while the Saraceens were united under Saladin and using different strategies.

Edited mistakes out, can't type for shit.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Gnjus on June 10, 2012, 02:58:11 am
why did bandits go saracen? are you guys muslims or just having a laugh?

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Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: kono yaro! on June 10, 2012, 07:37:10 pm
better close your embassies
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Wraist on June 10, 2012, 09:36:28 pm
Retards gonna retard. I'm sure you're not even familiar with the saying ''GOD WILLS IT''.

L2DERP properly kid.

"God wills it." -> "He wills it." which is fine.
"God Does NOT wills it."-> "He Does NOT wills it." which sounds retarded. It would be "God does not will it." or "God wills it not."

I like 2,4,6
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 12, 2012, 08:52:34 am
RUMBUMPER!  8-)
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: BashirKhan on June 13, 2012, 10:26:45 am
bump  :) hope these get added
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 13, 2012, 05:33:32 pm
Bump till acknowledge.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 13, 2012, 06:55:42 pm
*cough*
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: bosco on June 15, 2012, 03:07:12 pm
Bump with more cool OSP stuff

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Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Momo on June 15, 2012, 03:19:18 pm
Where is the no option? We don't need fugly armors, add japanese stuff instead.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Chasey on June 15, 2012, 03:28:05 pm
these look quite nice, maybe some new weapons too, to match them =)
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Moncho on June 15, 2012, 03:54:15 pm
do you really think adding more spamitars will be a good idea?
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 15, 2012, 04:08:33 pm
This one ain't about weapons but armors.
Would appreciate some dev-reaction in here tho. Just a "yea, we've seen it." would be already enough for a start.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Bjord on June 15, 2012, 11:43:37 pm
Don't count on it.  :(
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Sultan Eren on June 16, 2012, 05:02:19 pm
Good armors. Allah wills it.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on June 16, 2012, 09:50:43 pm
ما شاء الله على أن تضاف هذه الدروع
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: BashirKhan on June 17, 2012, 02:46:01 pm
I don't understand how you can be against new equipment for the game. :|  I mean seriously what would be the down side?
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Boerenlater on June 17, 2012, 03:34:33 pm
I don't understand how you can be against new equipment for the game. :|  I mean seriously what would be the down side?
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 17, 2012, 05:33:52 pm
I don't understand how you can be against new equipment for the game. :|  I mean seriously what would be the down side?
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on June 17, 2012, 05:40:50 pm
lol Momo  :D
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 17, 2012, 05:50:31 pm
Guess these things happen when somebody hasn't got a life, friends, interests nor education, right Momo?  8-)
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on June 17, 2012, 05:53:02 pm
Nah, he is a decent guy. His hate for everything regarding bandits/my old friends/saracens is funny tho  :lol:
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: bagge on June 17, 2012, 06:20:17 pm
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Awesome armor
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: dreadnok on June 17, 2012, 06:26:44 pm
"God wills it." -> "He wills it." which is fine.
"God Does NOT wills it."-> "He Does NOT wills it." which sounds retarded. It would be "God does not will it." or "God wills it not."

I like 2,4,6

the point was if you took the guys statement seriously your a fucking dolt
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on June 17, 2012, 11:06:05 pm
Cmon, we need those armors for our theme  :cry:
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 20, 2012, 08:01:25 pm
Cmon, we need those armors for our theme  :cry:
This.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on June 20, 2012, 08:14:12 pm
We need someone to go to IRC and lobby hard every day, who likes sucking cocks?  :lol:
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Adalwulf on June 21, 2012, 06:40:41 am
If these armors get linen/cloth over mail i'll vote for them. They look like western armor with a saracen's helmet...totally unhistorical :O
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 21, 2012, 08:50:03 am
They look nice - that's the point, everything else would be just bonus.
Title: Re: Petition to add Saracen/Arab armours
Post by: Molly on June 24, 2012, 10:17:13 pm
Would it help if I say pretty please?