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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Tibe on May 09, 2012, 05:46:02 am
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I've been quite curious about it, hearing more and more americans complainin about him. As a european I dont get it, cause out here we either just stay neutral or be positive about him. Can someone explain? Cause from what ive heard he started fighting economic crysis quite fast, after he became president.
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I'm not an American, but he forgot lots of his own promises, like ending wars, stuff like that.
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I've been quite curious about it, hearing more and more americans complainin about him. As a european I dont get it, cause out here we either just stay neutral or be positive about him. Can someone explain? Cause from what ive heard he started fighting economic crysis quite fast, after he became president.
You also have to remember America is a 2 party system (shut up independents we dont count) and anyone on the other party is legally required to hate any politician on the other party. Obama is just as ineffective as any of the last 5 or so presidents have been (but not as generally bad as bush was) but the republicans will have you believe he is Stalin/Lenin/einstein/Mussolini all wrapped up into one person.
So in other words its a bunch of BS and no matter who the current president is he is OMG THE WORST PERSON EVER, HE IS LITERALLY einstein!
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Which Americans hate Obama?
Hes black! Americans used them as slaves, and now one of them become their president.. They need to do something with the spreading black plague, because what is happening there is just ridiculous!
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Yeah it sucks pretty hard how vitriolic the whole thing over there in the US has gotten.
The right wing party in Australia is making a pretty good go of turning Australian politics into the same fucking circus. Some idiots on that side of the fence have gone so far as to declare that people have committed treason. The nob end even said the CIA was funding one of our political parties, then straight after the election he said it was a stunt to get more people to vote for his bell end candidates. Fucking retard, TREASONOUS! shit.
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Wich Americans hate Obama?
Hes black! Americans used them as slaves, and now one of them become their president.. They need to do something with the spreading black plague, because what is happening there is just ridiculous!
Are you fucking serious??
Americans aint a pure blood race, its a mix of europeans and natives,everytime i hear an American talking about racial matters i want to punch him in the teeth..
and also is Which* :twisted:
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He is black.
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I'm curious as to why you think americans are a homogenous group with one opinion. I'm also curious as to why you don't understand that a certain section of the public is going to hate any sitting president. "Americans" don't hate Obama, some Americans do. Given that Romney is going to get the republican bid, Obama is in for another 4 year stint however.
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Are you fucking serious??
Americans aint a pure blood race, its a mix of europeans and natives,everytime i hear an American talking about racial matters i want to punch him in the teeth..
and also is Which* :twisted:
While Greeks are mixture of Greeks, Slavs and about 60% Turks. :D
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It's not politics if it's not controversial in some way or another. The media loves to sensationalize things a bit more being that it's the first non-white president and all, But it's pretty much par for the course in American politics right now. Also, Ylca is more than likely right. You have to be a pretty massive flop in this country to not get re-elected.
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and also is Which* :twisted:
Thank you, I sometimes do mistakes while typing :oops:.
I wrote Which Americans, because I had on my mind what you wrote, they are all mixed up. They differ, but still are called Americans.
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I'm curious as to why you think americans are a homogenous group with one opinion. I'm also curious as to why you don't understand that a certain section of the public is going to hate any sitting president. "Americans" don't hate Obama, some Americans do. Given that Romney is going to get the republican bid, Obama is in for another 4 year stint however.
I dont think they are with one opinion. I should have wrote that more clear. And I completely know that there are always certain sections of the public that hates some person whose no the leading position. I didnt really expect to be forced to specifiy all that for the sake of making the post shorter :D.
But from what ive heard....and ive heard somewhat alot is that majority of americans hate Obama. Like players bitchin about Obama being shit ingame. People who come back from USA say that americans are bitchin about their president. News bitching etc etc. But I just wanted to know if its true or not and why etc, cause my far away European brain wont get it. I dont dare to go to USA cause im scared I might get mugged there or blown to pieces by al qaeda. :mrgreen:(im joking ofcourse)
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The funniest (saddest?) part is that Mitt Romney is going to be our next president. lol. America is dumb.
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Nah, I don't think Romney could win even if he was running against an empty seat.
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A good portion of Americans who hate Obama are people who wouldn't vote anyway. Have you ever seen some of those Tea Partiers? Embarassing.
Third parties for lyfe.
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Have you ever seen some of those Tea Partiers? Embarassing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y
:P
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Because he is probably one of the worst presidents in the US history, even worse than Bush somehow, and follows the long-discredited keynensian model.
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There is general discontent with politicians in America due to the fact that many remain unemployed, underpaid, whatever.
While Obama still has basically 50/50 approval rating, however, across party lines.. Congress's approval rating is at something like 9 percent. Most educated voters know the real reason America has become so backwards, and ineffectual at creating any forward movement, bold changes, or anything. Because of the fact that Congress is absolute trash, and the Republicans are pretty much completely responsible for delaying or blocking any sort of legislation that could help the country whenever they are able to, to hurt Obama politically.
Republican leadership admit they would rather the economy suffers so Obama loses reelectoin, then to actually work together to get Americans working again. So, low information voters see the effects of these games and put the blame on Obama, when he's actually been pretty good at most aspects of leadership, except his ability to outmanoeuvre Republicans in Congress. Hopefully not only does Obama get another term, but Republicans are kicked the fuck out of the house. I'd rather see the Department of Education not get completely removed in order to lower taxes on billionares, for example (this is what Republicans want, to remove all public education in order to give tax breaks to billionares, not even propaganda here, its their entire agenda)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y
:P
Are these people real? :lol:
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Tea Party 2012!
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I'm curious as to why you think americans are a homogenous group with one opinion. I'm also curious as to why you don't understand that a certain section of the public is going to hate any sitting president. "Americans" don't hate Obama, some Americans do. Given that Romney is going to get the republican bid, Obama is in for another 4 year stint however.
Quote for truth. Romney had to be divisive to win the primaries and now he has to regroup again.
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I've been quite curious about it, hearing more and more americans complainin about him. As a european I dont get it, cause out here we either just stay neutral or be positive about him. Can someone explain? Cause from what ive heard he started fighting economic crysis quite fast, after he became president.
He's a zionist crony, a liar, an American Tony Blair, alot of hype, little substance, alot of spending, and... He's tearing the constitution one piece at a time, without concern for any of the public's open discontent for such conduct.
He's now trying to hitch hike on the Osama bullshit to get himself re-elected, he stands for the same bankers and elite corrupt establishment that every president before him since Reagan has stood for.
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The global banking conspiracy and zionism is ruining western civilization, you heard it on the cRPG forums (and mein kampf) first folks!
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He's a zionist crony, a liar, an American Tony Blair, alot of hype, little substance, alot of spending, and... He's tearing the constitution one piece at a time, without concern for any of the public's open discontent for such conduct.
He's now trying to hitch hike on the Osama bullshit to get himself re-elected, he stands for the same bankers and elite corrupt establishment that every president before him since Reagan has stood for.
Eighty percent of people in America don't even know what a Zionist is. Him tearing the constitution apart is a bit of an exaggeration really.For example, gun regulation has actually been more hands off under the current administration than the previous one. As far as the Osama thing goes, he's using that as a main staple of his re-election campaign since the majority of Americans are too stupid to fully comprehend the impact hes had in other areas like the automotive industry(Certain states like Detroit are doing much better now) Why talk about how much better the job market is in certain states when you could say you killed the gat dum man behind 9/11? Im not going to fault politicians for using dumbed down ridiculous appeals to emotion as their main election strategy, id much rather blame my fellow voters for buying into it. They only play that game because the vast majority of us here in the states let them get away with it.
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Lol i just past by a billboard that says "Mr.President, Don't Turn your Back! RECOGNIZE THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE", he promised to recognize this genocide, yet didn't full-fill it.
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Because he is probably one of the worst presidents in the US history, even worse than Bush somehow, and follows the long-discredited keynensian model.
I wouldn't say he's the worst, especially considering what Bush did in foreign affairs, but I can't agree more on the Keynes bullshit. This guy is a bit like Aristote ruining astronomy and many sciences for centuries after him because he has become the "great master" of his field, despite all the work of his successors that contradicts his theories.
Btw tea partiers are worse than people writing youtube comments.
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Btw tea partiers are worse than people writing youtube comments.
Thumbs up if you vote for Tea Partiers!!
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Pretty simple: Jobs & growth.
Not good enough, and the only ideas from the Democrats are more keynsian stimulus/government control. The Republicans had a huge victory in 2010 campaigning against these ideas, and 2012 polling is very close right now although it's still pretty early.
If GDP growth was 3-4% and unemployment at 6-8% he'd be a fucking hero and cruising to re-election no matter what his leftist leanings...but the people want results, and aren't pleased with the lackof for current policies.
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Did American's (sorry for the umbrella) expect him to be a miracle worker or something? The world's economy was a piece of shit when Obama became President. Given the task he had upon being sworn in, he was never going to be as amazing as everyone thought. There was WAAAAAY to much expectation and 'ZOMG OBAMA IS OUR SAVIOUR' coming through from the US. Anyone with their head on their shoulders could see that he was always going to be average at best. The results people wanted to see were far to unrealistic for what anyone could achieve in such a short space of time. 4 years is not enough time to turn around the general fucked upness of America's economy at the moment. And generally I think Obama has done an alright job with what he was given. Certainly not in anyway a bad job. There's always going to be people who will be rubbed up the wrong way by any decision.
It's the same reason everyone hates the lib dems and conservatives at the moment in Britain. Labour fucked everything up (as usual), and it's on the shoulders of the next party to fix it. Problem is, one term is not long enough to see significant results and now everyones pissed off because things weren't magically fixed with a change in leadership.
It's kind of bizarre to watch.
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American politic is rather simple
Jobs and Economy
if you don't put up those two things, you may be the best, but America will hate you.
back in the day I would have critic how American tend to see only one aspect of the politic to chose, but now we got Stephen Harper has Prime minister...
I can't really critic any other country now...
You really need to live in America to understand, it's a really amazing country with LOT of strange thing, old retard conservative mentality, but it's also the country with the biggest university population, the only country where you can start at zero and became one of the world biggest man. Strange country.
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Eighty percent of people in America don't even know what a Zionist is. Him tearing the constitution apart is a bit of an exaggeration really.For example, gun regulation has actually been more hands off under the current administration than the previous one. As far as the Osama thing goes, he's using that as a main staple of his re-election campaign since the majority of Americans are too stupid to fully comprehend the impact hes had in other areas like the automotive industry(Certain states like Detroit are doing much better now) Why talk about how much better the job market is in certain states when you could say you killed the gat dum man behind 9/11? Im not going to fault politicians for using dumbed down ridiculous appeals to emotion as their main election strategy, id much rather blame my fellow voters for buying into it. They only play that game because the vast majority of us here in the states let them get away with it.
GO BACK TO EU PHONY
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Countries are gay. The internet will gradually abolish them anyhow, once people around the world gravitate to a central cultural mindset and begin to request/demand the same freedoms that their geographically separate friends have.
VERMIN SUPREME 2112
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I did it because Detroit is the only reason any of us give a shit about Michigan, Miracle.
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Honestly, I've been to Detroit and that place makes me want to forget about Michigan.
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I love those Pure Michigan ads:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZNG802zfZ4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZNG802zfZ4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5tJaRrZZMs&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5tJaRrZZMs&feature=plcp)
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Votin in america seems to be pretty easy:
If you're rich you vote republicans to pay no taxes and get gifts.
If you're poor you vote democrats in the hopes that you survive somehow if you have no work.
I wish here in germany it would be that easy, but unfortunately all call themselves democrats in a way doing promises, and after election they shit on what they said before.
Pirates!
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many poor americans (in the south usually, or rural areas across the country) vote republican too, because they are a party of "conservative values" aka oppressing minorities/women and praising religion. this gets low-information voters to actually vote against their best interests, cuz they'd rather go unemployed, starved, with no access to public education or healthcare, then see gay people get married, or black people tell them what to do.
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I'm pretty sure smoothrich is an internet zionist.
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Did American's (sorry for the umbrella) expect him to be a miracle worker or something? The world's economy was a piece of shit when Obama became President. Given the task he had upon being sworn in, he was never going to be as amazing as everyone thought. There was WAAAAAY to much expectation and 'ZOMG OBAMA IS OUR SAVIOUR' coming through from the US. Anyone with their head on their shoulders could see that he was always going to be average at best. The results people wanted to see were far to unrealistic for what anyone could achieve in such a short space of time. 4 years is not enough time to turn around the general fucked upness of America's economy at the moment. And generally I think Obama has done an alright job with what he was given. Certainly not in anyway a bad job. There's always going to be people who will be rubbed up the wrong way by any decision.
Well that's how it is, the guy at the top gets credit/blame even if its not all his doing. You can say Obama does not deserve a lot of the blame as there's a lot of his factors out of his hands, but that's just how things work. Bill Clinton got a lot of credit for good times even though arguably he did not do much to make it happen.
That said a lot of issues that Obama did have a hand in are not very popular:
-Stimulus acts
-Healthcare regulation
-Lots of EPA rules attacking industry
-Blocking pipelines
A lot of these things you can write 50 page essays writing for/against their merits, but the bottom line is they are mostly unpopular, and perceived to be ineffective, which is why Obama does not go around bragging about them. If they were actually popular and effective he would. Poll after poll shows heavy economic pessimism at the moment, and people blame the captain for how things are going on the ship, even if it's mostly the tide dragging it around.
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Amusingly enough the major complaints about economic issues are, as Smooth touched on, in large part due to the "starve the beast" philosophy which attempts to cut funding to government programs then turn around and claim the government is ineffective in an attempt to make smaller government/ enrich private interests. This has been going on since the Reagan administration and is no surprise to anyone who has read into politics beyond a surface level. The republican party has thrown multiple temper tantrums in the legislature in attempts to discredit any growth this country could make in order to make Obama unelectable- however they brilliantly followed this strategy by nominating a man whose buzz is about the "War on Women" in reference to his campaign statements which severely disenfranchise women, a large percentage of the voting base.
We could talk third party but that would be a waste of time as it always is based on the way the electoral system is designed. The best a third party can do is cause the party with views most similar to their own to lose votes thereby ensuring that the party which has the most opposite views will have a significantly better chance. This will not change in the forseeable future, and probably not within our lifetime.
That said while congress has an incredibly low approval rating, individual senators (especially incumbents) enjoy the love and adoration of their represented population. People still think it's "the other representatives" that are making everything go poorly, so they continue to vote in people who have been in the seat for years to decades then turn around and wonder why nothing new ever gets done. It's sad, really.
For the most part voting in America is a bit of a ruse, to make people who don't have the time or desire to actively engage in politics feel as though they've done their "civic duty". If more of our citizens actually became involved in politics at a local and state level (campaigning, attending meetings, actually holding representatives accountable) I imagine we might see a better government than we do currently but it's much simpler to just fill in a checkbox then later assign blame so we end up with the government that we overall deserve.
In my opinion democracy cannot work over the long term simply because the populace has shown that they are easily swayed and absolutely resistant to information that dispels their worldviews. Given that we have access to the internet, the greatest research tool known in human history, there should be no such thing as false news- scandals that are distorted should be the laughingstock of our country with in days if not hours. Contrary to common sense, we have people who still believe Obama is a socialist muslim, people who think that their guns are going to be taken away, people who think that the president can somehow single-handedly write and sign healthcare, and many of the other issues that could be easily researched with a 5 minute google search, but are not.
Democracy is the best we have, yes, but if we don't come up with something better or a way to make citizens learn then we're seriously in for some hard times in the future. Watching people vote against their own self interests is amusing to some but to me it signals the start of a dangerous decline.
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People don't learn? Well, i don't think they ever will... so... Demarchy, anyone? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarchy)
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Amusingly enough the major complaints about economic issues are, as Smooth touched on, in large part due to the "starve the beast" philosophy which attempts to cut funding to government programs then turn around and claim the government is ineffective in an attempt to make smaller government/ enrich private interests. This has been going on since the Reagan administration and is no surprise to anyone who has read into politics beyond a surface level. The republican party has thrown multiple temper tantrums in the legislature in attempts to discredit any growth this country could make in order to make Obama unelectable- however they brilliantly followed this strategy by nominating a man whose buzz is about the "War on Women" in reference to his campaign statements which severely disenfranchise women, a large percentage of the voting base.
What exactly has been "starved"? The US has been overspending on govt programs the past few years, running massive deficits, and at current budget will keep running 1+ trillion annual deficits for a while. What growth has been bought with these debts? The voters don't seem to be very impressed by them...
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Starving the Beast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast)
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'This country does in fact have a serious deficit problem, but the reality is that the deficit was caused by two wars unpaid for. It was caused by huge tax breaks for the wealthiest people in this country. It was caused by a recession as result of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street. And if those are the causes of the deficit, I will be damned if were going to balance the budget on backs of the elderly, the sick, the children, and the poor. Thats wrong'
- Bernie Sanders (US senator)
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'This country does in fact have a serious deficit problem, but the reality is that the deficit was caused by two wars unpaid for. It was caused by huge tax breaks for the wealthiest people in this country. It was caused by a recession as result of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street. And if those are the causes of the deficit, I will be damned if were going to balance the budget on backs of the elderly, the sick, the children, and the poor. Thats wrong'
- Bernie Sanders (US senator)
Yep. The party of limited government and fiscal conservatism bankrupted the country by reckless foreign policy decisions, keeping the financial industry deregulated. encouraging corporations to run wild and dehumanize the workforce in the sake of profits, crush the middle class by making the costs of education or healthcare leave you in a life time of debt, and using the "American Dream" as a carrot on a stick to promise people something better with just hard work and self-preservation, while blind siding them to the fact that every day is a new exercise in how to solidify the concentration of wealth and class inequality that our state of capitalism and corporatism has left America with.
Note that I don't think the Democrats are the answer to every problem, unfortunately they are drawn to a center-right platform because the Republicans are insanely regressive and evil, to the point that the idea of a public option for healthcare benefits to escape the disgusting profiteering of the heatlhcare industry is labeled, simultaneously, as islamism, fascism, and socialism, and is buried by the national media. God forbid you talk about raising taxes on people making over 2 million dollars a year.
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People don't learn? Well, i don't think they ever will... so... Demarchy, anyone? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarchy)
I'm already in. Democracy is the worst form of government, at the exception of all the others we used. So maybe we have to use new ones.
Btw, most countries tax the middle class the most heavily. Why ? The poorer don't have enough money so it's not very efficient to tax them. And the rich flee the country when they are taxed too high. To attract the rich is actually a competition between countries. Countries with a healthy financial state can afford to do that and after some time end up having massive rich class income not because the tax rates are high but because there are many rich people.
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I'm already in. Democracy is the worst form of government, at the exception of all the others we used. So maybe we have to use new ones.
Btw, most countries tax the middle class the most heavily. Why ? The poorer don't have enough money so it's not very efficient to tax them. And the rich flee the country when they are taxed too high. To attract the rich is actually a competition between countries. Countries with a healthy financial state can afford to do that and after some time end up having massive rich class income not because the tax rates are high but because there are many rich people.
Demarchy is a form of democracy. IMHO, with the way things are, i think it is more democratic than the electoral democracy we are stuck with, since the voting masses have proven, the world over, that they are too easily manipulated.
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Did American's (sorry for the umbrella) expect him to be a miracle worker or something? The world's economy was a piece of shit when Obama became President. Given the task he had upon being sworn in, he was never going to be as amazing as everyone thought. There was WAAAAAY to much expectation and 'ZOMG OBAMA IS OUR SAVIOUR' coming through from the US. Anyone with their head on their shoulders could see that he was always going to be average at best. The results people wanted to see were far to unrealistic for what anyone could achieve in such a short space of time. 4 years is not enough time to turn around the general fucked upness of America's economy at the moment. And generally I think Obama has done an alright job with what he was given. Certainly not in anyway a bad job. There's always going to be people who will be rubbed up the wrong way by any decision.
It's the same reason everyone hates the lib dems and conservatives at the moment in Britain. Labour fucked everything up (as usual), and it's on the shoulders of the next party to fix it. Problem is, one term is not long enough to see significant results and now everyones pissed off because things weren't magically fixed with a change in leadership.
It's kind of bizarre to watch.
It's funny how you say Labour fucked everything up, when it was Thatcher who was destroying the foundations for a sound economy in the 80's and how both wings of the political spectrum have contributed to the insane amount of debt by conducting costly, pointless and fruitless wars and endorsing a flawed economic policy of boom and bust, making money from money instead of manufacturing while the bankers were buying up islands and the mega corps were dodging taxes.
The problem isn't with the flavours in the box, it's with the box itself.
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Ye nevermind. Thats enough politics for meh. THREAD CLOSED! :D