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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2012, 11:10:59 pm »
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Eighty percent of people in America don't even know what a Zionist is. Him tearing the constitution apart is a bit of an exaggeration really.For example, gun regulation has actually been more hands off under the current administration than the previous one. As far as the Osama thing goes, he's using that as a main staple of his re-election campaign since the majority of Americans are too stupid to fully comprehend the impact hes had in other areas like the automotive industry(Certain states like Detroit are doing much better now) Why talk about  how much better the job market is in certain states when you could say you killed the gat dum man behind 9/11? Im not going to fault politicians for using dumbed down ridiculous appeals to emotion as their main election strategy, id much rather blame my fellow voters for buying into it. They only play that game because the vast majority of us here in the states let them get away with it.

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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2012, 11:16:34 pm »
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Countries are gay. The internet will gradually abolish them anyhow, once people around the world gravitate to a central cultural mindset and begin to request/demand the same freedoms that their geographically separate friends have.

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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2012, 12:11:24 am »
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I did it because Detroit is the only reason any of us give a shit about Michigan, Miracle.

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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2012, 03:17:11 am »
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Honestly, I've been to Detroit and that place makes me want to forget about Michigan.
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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2012, 11:03:28 am »
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Votin in america seems to be pretty easy:

If you're rich you vote republicans to pay no taxes and get gifts.
If you're poor you vote democrats in the hopes that you survive somehow if you have no work.

I wish here in germany it would be that easy, but unfortunately all call themselves democrats in a way doing promises, and after election they shit on what they said before.

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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2012, 11:27:02 am »
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many poor americans (in the south usually, or rural areas across the country) vote republican too, because they are a party of "conservative values" aka oppressing minorities/women and praising religion.  this gets low-information voters to actually vote against their best interests, cuz they'd rather go unemployed, starved, with no access to public education or healthcare, then see gay people get married, or black people tell them what to do.
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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2012, 11:29:36 am »
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I'm pretty sure smoothrich is an internet zionist.
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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2012, 05:07:53 pm »
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Did American's (sorry for the umbrella) expect him to be a miracle worker or something? The world's economy was a piece of shit when Obama became President. Given the task he had upon being sworn in, he was never going to be as amazing as everyone thought. There was WAAAAAY to much expectation and 'ZOMG OBAMA IS OUR SAVIOUR' coming through from the US. Anyone with their head on their shoulders could see that he was always going to be average at best. The results people wanted to see were far to unrealistic for what anyone could achieve in such a short space of time. 4 years is not enough time to turn around the general fucked upness of America's economy at the moment. And generally I think Obama has done an alright job with what he was given. Certainly not in anyway a bad job. There's always going to be people who will be rubbed up the wrong way by any decision.

Well that's how it is, the guy at the top gets credit/blame even if its not all his doing. You can say Obama does not deserve a lot of the blame as there's a lot of his factors out of his hands, but that's just how things work. Bill Clinton got a lot of credit for good times even though arguably he did not do much to make it happen.

That said a lot of issues that Obama did have a hand in are not very popular:
-Stimulus acts
-Healthcare regulation
-Lots of EPA rules attacking industry
-Blocking pipelines

A lot of these things you can write 50 page essays writing for/against their merits, but the bottom line is they are mostly unpopular, and perceived to be ineffective, which is why Obama does not go around bragging about them. If they were actually popular and effective he would. Poll after poll shows heavy economic pessimism at the moment, and people blame the captain for how things are going on the ship, even if it's mostly the tide dragging it around.

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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2012, 06:41:51 pm »
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Amusingly enough the major complaints about economic issues are, as Smooth touched on, in large part due to the "starve the beast" philosophy which attempts to cut funding to government programs then turn around and claim the government is ineffective in an attempt to make smaller government/ enrich private interests. This has been going on since the Reagan administration and is no surprise to anyone who has read into politics beyond a surface level. The republican party has thrown multiple temper tantrums in the legislature in attempts to discredit any growth this country could make in order to make Obama unelectable- however they brilliantly followed this strategy by nominating a man whose buzz is about the "War on Women" in reference to his campaign statements which severely disenfranchise women, a large percentage of the voting base.

We could talk third party but that would be a waste of time as it always is based on the way the electoral system is designed. The best a third party can do is cause the party with views most similar to their own to lose votes thereby ensuring that the party which has the most opposite views will have a significantly better chance. This will not change in the forseeable future, and probably not within our lifetime.

That said while congress has an incredibly low approval rating, individual senators (especially incumbents) enjoy the love and adoration of their represented population. People still think it's "the other representatives" that are making everything go poorly, so they continue to vote in people who have been in the seat for years to decades then turn around and wonder why nothing new ever gets done. It's sad, really.

For the most part voting in America is a bit of a ruse, to make people who don't have the time or desire to actively engage in politics feel as though they've done their "civic duty". If more of our citizens actually became involved in politics at a local and state level (campaigning, attending meetings, actually holding representatives accountable) I imagine we might see a better government than we do currently but it's much simpler to just fill in a checkbox then later assign blame so we end up with the government that we overall deserve.

In my opinion democracy cannot work over the long term simply because the populace has shown that they are easily swayed and absolutely resistant to information that dispels their worldviews. Given that we have access to the internet, the greatest research tool known in human history, there should be no such thing as false news- scandals that are distorted should be the laughingstock of our country with in days if not hours. Contrary to common sense, we have people who still believe Obama is a socialist muslim, people who think that their guns are going to be taken away, people who think that the president can somehow single-handedly write and sign healthcare, and many of the other issues that could be easily researched with a 5 minute google search, but are not.

Democracy is the best we have, yes, but if we don't come up with something better or a way to make citizens learn then we're seriously in for some hard times in the future. Watching people vote against their own self interests is amusing to some but to me it signals the start of a dangerous decline.

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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2012, 06:54:44 pm »
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People don't learn? Well, i don't think they ever will... so... Demarchy, anyone?

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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2012, 07:11:13 pm »
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Amusingly enough the major complaints about economic issues are, as Smooth touched on, in large part due to the "starve the beast" philosophy which attempts to cut funding to government programs then turn around and claim the government is ineffective in an attempt to make smaller government/ enrich private interests. This has been going on since the Reagan administration and is no surprise to anyone who has read into politics beyond a surface level. The republican party has thrown multiple temper tantrums in the legislature in attempts to discredit any growth this country could make in order to make Obama unelectable- however they brilliantly followed this strategy by nominating a man whose buzz is about the "War on Women" in reference to his campaign statements which severely disenfranchise women, a large percentage of the voting base.

What exactly has been "starved"? The US has been overspending on govt programs the past few years, running massive deficits, and at current budget will keep running 1+ trillion annual deficits for a while. What growth has been bought with these debts? The voters don't seem to be very impressed by them...

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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2012, 07:53:58 pm »
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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2012, 02:22:40 am »
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'This country does in fact have a serious deficit problem, but the reality is that the deficit was caused by two wars — unpaid for. It was caused by huge tax breaks for the wealthiest people in this country. It was caused by a recession as result of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street. And if those are the causes of the deficit, I will be damned if we’re going to balance the budget on backs of the elderly, the sick, the children, and the poor. That’s wrong'
- Bernie Sanders (US senator)

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Re: Why americans hate Obama?
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2012, 02:42:34 am »
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'This country does in fact have a serious deficit problem, but the reality is that the deficit was caused by two wars — unpaid for. It was caused by huge tax breaks for the wealthiest people in this country. It was caused by a recession as result of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street. And if those are the causes of the deficit, I will be damned if we’re going to balance the budget on backs of the elderly, the sick, the children, and the poor. That’s wrong'
- Bernie Sanders (US senator)

Yep.  The party of limited government and fiscal conservatism bankrupted the country by reckless foreign policy decisions, keeping the financial industry deregulated. encouraging corporations to run wild and dehumanize the workforce in the sake of profits, crush the middle class by making the costs of education or healthcare leave you in a life time of debt, and using the "American Dream" as a carrot on a stick to promise people something better with just hard work and self-preservation, while blind siding them to the fact that every day is a new exercise in how to solidify the concentration of wealth and class inequality that our state of capitalism and corporatism has left America with.

Note that I don't think the Democrats are the answer to every problem, unfortunately they are drawn to a center-right platform because the Republicans are insanely regressive and evil, to the point that the idea of a public option for healthcare benefits to escape the disgusting profiteering of the heatlhcare industry is labeled, simultaneously, as islamism, fascism, and socialism, and is buried by the national media.  God forbid you talk about raising taxes on people making over 2 million dollars a year.
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