as long as they all break shields do polestagger and do more pierce damage than any 2 handed sword in the game (not to mention rear horses) they are all OP as shit nerf them all
I dont agree that the elegant should be more costly because it has more speed. If the best weapon is the poleaxe, then it should be that one the most expensive no?
wasnt it better in the past?
stop crying already about the elegant poleaxe PLEASE it's easymode already (just like all the other polearms)
stop crying already about the elegant poleaxe PLEASE it's easymode already (just like all the other polearms)
Before i start i wish that all people who dont have any experience in those weapons, or who are jsut here to spew shit on polearms saying they are overpowered and blablabla can kindly get the f out of my thread (i guess we will still have some sadly)
who cares about internal poleaxe balance?visibly you don't so :
yeah, if the solution to this is buffing the elegant poleaxe, you are looking at it way wrongQQ i just had to post this
you need to nerf the shit out of the poleaxe, like -3 damage on all swings, probably even more, -5'd id say, and do the same with every other poleaxe too, except maybe only -3 damage on elegant poleaxe, then it MIGHT be fair, but you'd still need to remove polestagger and make them all unbalanced
at least make the poleaxe unbalanced god damn just look at the stats on that thing its a shield busting awlpike with side swings strong as a bardiche
why the hell do you so much want a speed nerf on poleaxes? regular poleaxe is already 89 going any lower would be too much. if ever you should nerf the poleaxe you should attack it's damage
The speed of all large weapons is pretty insane already. I care less about the suggested speed nerf, than adding x-mode versatility though.
yes but if we follow your argument we should nearly nerf all weapons. the wait of all poleaxes are not higher then most weapons
Buff elegant a bit (2 cut or something), keep the other poleaxes as they are, nerf glaive a lot.
Buff elegant a bit (2 cut or something), keep the other poleaxes as they are, nerf glaive a lot.
I'd say an 1c/2p buff would be indeed awesome.
Just because of it's cost. It should be way better.
Also if you check the stabs of the three weapons, Regular got 31, German got 29, Elegant got.. 26?
Where's the analogy? It should be 28.
so the danish gs should have more stab damage than the german gs because its more expensive?
so the danish gs should have more stab damage than the german gs because its more expensive?
What the hell does 2h have to do with this?It was an example.
Sorry blackmilk, I don't understand.
These weapons have special piercing points, unlike the weapons you've mentioned.
Like others said, this thread is called: Internal poleaxe balance.
So please, stop posting such nonsense.
These weapons have special piercing points, unlike the weapons you've mentioned.
The stab of a polearm is logically going to have more power by default because it is a much better stabbing motion for your body, the 2h stabbing motion is retarded.(click to show/hide)
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That's the piercing point of the Danish and German greatsword. Since you obviously didn't know.
Xant and his nitpicking again.
I said "special" piercing point, the ones you can find on poleaxes.
A tip of a sword that can stab to 2 meters won't have the same power, like the poleaxe's piercing point.
Unless you halfsword with it, but that's totally different, could we leave 2h out of this? Has nothing to do with the topic.
Want to nitpick some more?
wasnt it better in the past?damn straight - it was the pimp shit of all weapons. Pretty much all the tin cans (including myself) used it. The main tactic was fly into a cluster fuck and run and swing in a mad frenzy, kill 3-4 guys and get killed. Ahh - those were the days. By the way, dying in the cluster was good, cause that's how you used to get xp and gold.
Oh, so it's "special" now? What makes the poleaxe piercing point special? Did its mommy call it special? Is the two-handed sword piercing point strictly non-special?
Want to be retarded some more?
It's shorter, a different part of a weapon, dedicated only to piercing, unlike the sword's blade.
So yes, it's special.
You must be really bored to pick on bullshit like this again.
Go and nitpick on somebody else, Xant.
i beleive that this has more piercing abilities then sword :
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You only need to know some physics to understand that a pointy weapon will deal more damage than a flat wide tip of a blade.You don't even really have to know any physics to understand it... It SHOULD be kinda obvious...
You only need to know some physics to understand that a pointy weapon will deal more damage than a flat wide tip of a blade.
Lolwut? Like Lech said, the poleaxe would pierce armor better but the sword would do a lot more damage simply because it's so much wider.
Tbh, you get any pointy stick that large in your body (...)
...without surgery, You die.
Anyway, all 4-direction polearms need a speed nerf, polestagger going away or not.
Tbh, you get any pointy stick that large in your body (...)
...without surgery, You die.
Depends on where it hits. Poleaxe's piercing point is very thin.Poleaxe's piercing point still pierces armour a whole lot better, than the wider tip of a sword.
Poleaxe's piercing point still pierces armour a whole lot better, than the wider tip of a sword.
And wider wound means more internal bleeding and greater chance to hit vital spot.
I already said it pierce armor better than sword, but it does not mean it deal more damage - quite the opposite against unarmored opponent.
Also kafein, yes - chances are you'll die. Question is, how fast ? And wider wound means more internal bleeding and greater chance to hit vital spot.
Lactose, they are LONG, aren't unbalanced, have BONUS AGAINST SHIELDS and respectable damage (including stab) - and great reach. Not to mention good speed and cool damage against heavy armor.
Lactose, they are LONG, aren't unbalanced, have BONUS AGAINST SHIELDS and respectable damage (including stab) - and great reach. Not to mention good speed and cool damage against heavy armor.So they are long and have great reach? Truly a diverse weapon.
its about 112 in 2h numbers. Its shorter than the greatsword family.
TL;DR: Don't listen to blackmilk. He's special.
i think its relevant to talk about internal poleaxe balance by bringing in great swords as a comparison since they both occupy the most expensive slots in their respective classes
especially when the "thrust specialist" great sword still does less pierce damage on thrusts then the most "underpowered" of the poleaxes! NERF THEM ALL
ToD : how so?Sadly, I don't take screenshots of every single steam chat I have. So no, I don't have any "proof" of you doing it.
I said that the elegant poleaxe and the german are fine but the poleaxe needs a nerf.
Jarlek what are you talking about? You got any proof maybe? Cause I'm pretty sure I never said anything like that
Lactose : ... I told you that you need to l2p if you get outranged by 2h's constantly with your elegant poleaxe. I guess it's rather difficult to get outranged by a katana as a elegant poleaxe user
Lactose : ... I told you that you need to l2p if you get outranged by 2h's constantly with your elegant poleaxe. I guess it's rather difficult to get outranged by a katana as a elegant poleaxe userBecause here you are doing the EXACT same thing! "Dude, poleaxes aren't shorter than 2h's! Katanas are way shorter, so it's just you who suck at the game!". Oh lord! Do I even have to EXPLAIN this? So funny of you claiming I "got no proof", then giving me all I need in the next paragraph :D
Sadly, I don't take screenshots of every single steam chat I have. So no, I don't have any "proof" of you doing it.
What I DO have is THIS though:Because here you are doing the EXACT same thing! "Dude, poleaxes aren't shorter than 2h's! Katanas are way shorter, so it's just you who suck at the game!". Oh lord! Do I even have to EXPLAIN this? So funny of you claiming I "got no proof", then giving me all I need in the next paragraph :D
lol, you got the katana speach too? :DNope. All I got was from his reply to me right here in this thread. I just love he's digging his own grave :D
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He said that he gets outranged by 2handers all the time and I was wondering if that also applies to the shorter 2handers such as katana longsword bastard sword etc...
Make the poleaxe unbalanced and give the elegant more speed OR pierce?
Make the poleaxe unbalanced and give the elegant more speed OR pierce?
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Basically if you took a German Greatsword and gave it polearm animations but on the plus side gave it the ability to break shields it would be called the elegant poleaxe so when you look at it like that I don't know how you could adjust it without making it overpowered.
the german greatsword would also lose range if you give if polearm animation
what?
this is not about making elegant better then poelaxe, its more about getting the elegant out of it's clear inferiority. it has superior pricing and is top polearm but it inferior to other poelarm, is that so hard to understand?
what?
this is not about making elegant better then poelaxe, its more about getting the elegant out of it's clear inferiority. it has superior pricing and is top polearm but it inferior to other poelarm, is that so hard to understand?
I think it's time to revive this topic.You mean you weren't for it before when you were a twohander? :wink:
I wasn't for it before when poleaxe was super OP with polestagger and spin thrust but now when poleaxe is nothing special, elegant version really does seem like shit.
Please buff it.
I just don't like to play OP shit class.Then why'd you become a danish greatsworder?
I think it's time to revive this topic.
I wasn't for it before when poleaxe was super OP with polestagger and spin thrust but now when poleaxe is nothing special, elegant version really does seem like shit.
Please buff it.
Poleaxe vs Elegant Poleaxe (thread made by me many moons ago) (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,13785.msg193641.html#msg193641)