Internal poleaxe balance

[Smoothrich]

i think its relevant to talk about internal poleaxe balance by bringing in great swords as a comparison since they both occupy the most expensive slots in their respective classes

especially when the "thrust specialist" great sword still does less pierce damage on thrusts then the most "underpowered" of the poleaxes!  NERF THEM ALL (ok the elegant and german gs actually do the same pierce but idc)

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

i think its relevant to talk about internal poleaxe balance by bringing in great swords as a comparison since they both occupy the most expensive slots in their respective classes

especially when the "thrust specialist" great sword still does less pierce damage on thrusts then the most "underpowered" of the poleaxes!  NERF THEM ALL

thats because lech brouth up the fact that they had good range, and good reach... which wasnt relevant to internal balancing...

[Gurnisson]

How people whine about Poleaxe being overpowered when you have the glaive untouched is beyond me.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

i dont like glaive cuz it gets stuck everywhere 

[Jarlek]

ToD : how so?

I said that the elegant poleaxe and the german are fine but the poleaxe needs a nerf.

Jarlek what are you talking about? You got any proof maybe? Cause I'm pretty sure I never said anything like that

Lactose : ... I told you that you need to l2p if you get outranged by 2h's constantly with your elegant poleaxe. I guess it's rather difficult to get outranged by a katana as a elegant poleaxe user

Sadly, I don't take screenshots of every single steam chat I have. So no, I don't have any "proof" of you doing it.

What I DO have is THIS though:

Lactose : ... I told you that you need to l2p if you get outranged by 2h's constantly with your elegant poleaxe. I guess it's rather difficult to get outranged by a katana as a elegant poleaxe user

Because here you are doing the EXACT same thing! "Dude, poleaxes aren't shorter than 2h's! Katanas are way shorter, so it's just you who suck at the game!". Oh lord! Do I even have to EXPLAIN this? So funny of you claiming I "got no proof", then giving me all I need in the next paragraph

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

Sadly, I don't take screenshots of every single steam chat I have. So no, I don't have any "proof" of you doing it.

What I DO have is THIS though:Because here you are doing the EXACT same thing! "Dude, poleaxes aren't shorter than 2h's! Katanas are way shorter, so it's just you who suck at the game!". Oh lord! Do I even have to EXPLAIN this? So funny of you claiming I "got no proof", then giving me all I need in the next paragraph

lol, you got the katana speach too? 

[Jarlek]

lol, you got the katana speach too? 

Nope. All I got was from his reply to me right here in this thread. I just love he's digging his own grave

[BlackMilk]

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He said that he gets outranged by 2handers all the time and I was wondering if that also applies to the shorter 2handers such as katana longsword bastard sword etc...

[Quallen]

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He said that he gets outranged by 2handers all the time and I was wondering if that also applies to the shorter 2handers such as katana longsword bastard sword etc...

Did we travel through a time warp back to some time where no one(smoothrich, blackmilk) knows the animation ranges? Yes, every 2h sword that uses the 2h stab animation outranges all of the poleaxes by a silly margin (source.) When compared to swords of the same price range (german, danish) the german and the elegant are outranged on each attack directions. The Poleaxe R to L is the only one to have a range advantage (a whopping 3 range.)

German Greatsword -
Overhead:123 + 15 = 138
L to R: 123 + 17 = 140
R to L: 123 + 13 = 136
stab: 123 + 80? = pike of tears

Poleaxe -
Overhead: 141 - 15 = 126
L to R: 141 - 7 = 134
R to L: 141 - 2 = 139
stab: 141 + 15 = 156

Elegant poleaxe -
Overhead: 132 - 15 = 117
L to R: 132 - 7 = 125
R to L: 132 - 2 = 130
stab: 132 + 15 = 147


***the polearm stab was believed to be +19 but from walts test it must either be +15 or the 2h stab is more than +80. I assumed its +15***

[BlackMilk]

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http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,25086.msg362541.html#msg362541

[v/onMega]

Elegant Poleaxe is okay.

Its just that there is about 5 way better top polearms, easily, id even take a Great Long Bardiche over it.

The price is stupid. Dont nerf it, give it 2 more cut, 1 more pierce or reduce the price.


It is no where near the awesome GermanPoleaxe.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

poleaxe is far better then elegant poleaxe

I started using the poleaxe again today and what i noticed is the damage output, i could finish my target faster, teh reach i could just backpeddal to spam 1h and someting you dont have on other poleaxes...rear horses!

[Torben]

selling/trading +3 poleaxe everyone : )

[BlackMilk]

and again : nerf poleaxe

[Torben]

Make the poleaxe unbalanced and give the elegant more speed OR pierce?