you can also ask why the two biggest NA factions decided to go to war when a massive EU alliance was sitting there doing nothing for a long time :) a bit of thinking would show you that to keep some sort of a balance of power then the NA alliances should have gone after the UIF. you dont have to kill them totally ofc just fight for a while and make a treaty :PTo be perfectly fair, the majority of NA did not want to fight amongst ourselves, but even if we had all banded together, we couldn't have made a dent in the UIF's 2/3 of the map, with what would have been 1/4.
Anyone who looked at the map for the last month could clearly see that if you guys fought each other then it = DRZ win
Good point Strat is perfect in both conception and execution. No changes are needed and anyone who suggests them is just QQ'ing.
Quote from: chadz
"No matter how long you guys cry - I will not give in to dumbing strategus down because some people just want battles. If all you want are battles, then play cRPG, not strat. There are other people who like advanced gameplay."
Stategus is a Grand Stategy game.
This means that to win you need to do multiple things well: 1. Battles 2. Diplomacy 3. Trade 4. Recruit
If you focus on one and neglect others you fail.
Some people seem to be too stupid to grasp the simple fact that Stategus isnt a clan battle torunament with rules to make it fair ^^ You may be the greatest 10 man fighting force in world history but that doesnt mean you will win <3
Size matters deal with it. As in history manpower actually matters and it always will, instead of moaning that your 20 man faction cant take out a 100 man faction 1 on 1 and demanding changes to make it possible i suggest that you PLAY THE GAME.
IE make alliances, seek diplomacy hell maybe in war think about surrendering land to secure peace :o (shock horror in games like this wars dont have to end in total defeat you can cede lands!)
Basically im just sick of every retard who isnt on top in strat comming here and whining like a total bitch about how strat is unfair :) It isnt unfair. somewhere you failed. real strat suggestions get ignored because the whole section is filled with QQ from losers. Hell my faction has won lands and is losing lands. Just because our alliance isnt strong enough to beat Greys + Nords doesnt mean that stategus is broken it simply means that they are stronger. They may be stronger in terms of economy/players or skill but they are stronger and are winning and thats how it should be.
That said just remember this you dont have a right to hold lands or even survive strat :) just because you lose it doesnt mean its unfair <3
*edit*
To generic NA players who blame DRZ. You decided to ignore the obvious fact that they would look to NA lands. stop complaining you should have been more observant
To generic everyone. Ofc the UIF will ally up they keep winning :D do something about it ^^ maybe search for allies or temporary agreements. In MP eu2 games if someone got too powerfull the others acted. maybe if leaders spoke to each other they would form a temp alliance to stop drz growing.
To harpag. hands off the pope :D
If Druzinha Chaos Hospi Grey Nord and Templars were the main factions and Druzinha went to war with Chaos and was going to totally win then it is down to the other factions to ensure that such a victory doesnt mean that Druzinha becaome twice as powerfull as anyone else. If one side is winning by far then it is down to others to limit their gains :)So as a question, why does EU never do this to Druzhina or Grey Order?
So as a question, why does EU never do this to Druzhina or Grey Order?
Because this seems a whole hell of a lot like you're telling NA that we should have all banded together and sacrificed our own enjoyment of the game to ensure that our tiny little ghetto didn't get wiped out by some massive mega-alliance of Europeans that control literally 3/4 of the map at any one time because every other European clan knuckles under and gives them whatever they want.
i.e, Go Fuck Yourself
Templars did face up to the Greys you know, one of the most commonly alleged UIF factions. If you think UIF is such a problem maybe you shoulda helped them out huh, instead of doing nothing.Sufferin' Succotash! You mean a small European clan stood up to to the EU Mega-Block?
While Slantedfloors doesn't convey his message in the nicest way, I have to agree with him. EU should be fighting EU menaces, as NA should be fighting NA menaces.Ironically, it seems that Europe actually wants America to play world policeman for once.
In defense of us bloodthirsty NA's, people got bored after building up since what, october.Seriously, evidently what we should have done was not fight amongst ourselves and kept building up for the inevitable EU invasion.
TBH you don't have to restart strat to make it more fun, all they have to do is just fix the bugs and people will enjoy it more.
Sufferin' Succotash! You mean a small European clan stood up to to the EU Mega-Block?
Surely this will be the point when the other EU clans draw their carefully concealed knives and attack their brobdingnagian neighbours from behind! This will surely be a great war, as faction after faction say "NO MORE" to the UIF's control over...oh wait, no, the rest of EU are doing jack shit to stop them. Except for the guys who are helping them wipe out the underdogs, I guess.
WELPS, I guess it's up to NA to do what literally every other EU clan will not do. With 1/4 of the resources, as mandated by the ping wall. And facing the opposition of damn near every other EU clan trying to prove what stalwart UIF allies they are.
i.e, Go Fuck Yourself
You might have a point except that it was a lot more than just the Templar clan fighting the Greys, it was their whole alliance. This is the majority of the "crusader" themed clans that play CRPG, excluding NA.So what you're saying is that it wasn't even just a small clan like the Mercs being rolled over - it was a minor power bloc being dismantled, and the rest of EU stood by and did absolutely nothing while the balance of power changed significantly.
Good job though, you totally don't look like some fool talking about stuff he doesn't actually know anything about
you raise good points :P which is what i want :) Strat inst perfect and sure Fiefs should take time to secure and turn to core fiefs of your faction :)
what is pissing me off is that a good 90% of suggestions are not made around what is good for strat but only what is good for the player making the suggestion.
Quote from: Osiris on Today at 21:15:44
IE make alliances, seek diplomacy hell maybe in war think about surrendering land to secure peace (shock horror in games like this wars dont have to end in total defeat you can cede lands!)
All of the things in your post, this is the worst. Why on earth would a winning faction stop a war and only take a part of your territory ? There is no "core fief" or "stability" or "revolt risk" mechanics in Strat. Expanding at the fastest possible rate is always better.
On this point i must disagree. Why on earth would a winning faction stop a war. well that is down to the other factions :) If one faction is going to destroy another totally and become too powerfull then the others should step in and force a treaty
In my games of eu2 i must say that if one country totally destroyed another then the other countries would step in to ensure that a treaty was made that didnt make one country totally superior. for example (not a realistic one) If Druzinha Chaos Hospi Grey Nord and Templars were the main factions and Druzinha went to war with Chaos and was going to totally win then it is down to the other factions to ensure that such a victory doesnt mean that Druzinha becaome twice as powerfull as anyone else. If one side is winning by far then it is down to others to limit their gains :)
This doesnt happen in Strat because well we all hate each other ^^ But if for example in NA Reds and Greens looked at the map before really fighting they might have seen that Greys had devoted some resources to fight the Templars and that a combined NA thrust on DRZ might have resulted in a return to the balance of power :P
Im rambling because well ive been drinking a lil but i hope i sort of make sense :)
It is down to the players to form a balance of power not the Devs. The Devs should strive to make the game more interactive and fun for the individual player. They should not be distraced/forced into making more limits to factions because the playerbase lacts the ability to do it themselves.
just my opinion ofc :P if DRZ win repeatedly its because we let them, let the devs focus on making the game more fun for individuals let the faction leaders focus on making it more fair
And building up.
And building up.
And building up.
...
I agree fully. We built up since fuckin... october or something. Its now march.
What is with the obsession of splitting NA and EU, really?What is the obsession with keeping two completely incompatible playstyles together, especially given that the map is split to gimp one side?
Ironically, it seems that Europe actually wants America to play world policeman for once.
I can tell you that EU and NA have different mentalities because NA people in general are more impatient and have less of an attention span than EU people (stereotyping lightly). Which is why NA want to stress having more battles with a little less strategy while Eu is fine with building up an army and invading at a good opportunity. This is why I suggested the continent idea; it would still let Eu fight Na, but it would just stress EU/NA alliances more than a large Na alliance vs a large Eu alliance.
Basically im just sick of every retard who isnt on top in strat comming here and whining like a total bitch about how strat is unfair :) It isnt unfair. somewhere you failed. real strat suggestions get ignored because the whole section is filled with QQ from losers. Hell my faction has won lands and is losing lands. Just because our alliance isnt strong enough to beat Greys + Nords doesnt mean that stategus is broken it simply means that they are stronger. They may be stronger in terms of economy/players or skill but they are stronger and are winning and thats how it should be.
That said just remember this you dont have a right to hold lands or even survive strat :) just because you lose it doesnt mean its unfair <3
*edit*
To generic NA players who blame DRZ. You decided to ignore the obvious fact that they would look to NA lands. stop complaining you should have been more observant
To generic everyone. Ofc the UIF will ally up they keep winning :D do something about it ^^ maybe search for allies or temporary agreements. In MP eu2 games if someone got too powerfull the others acted. maybe if leaders spoke to each other they would form a temp alliance to stop drz growing.
To harpag. hands off the pope :D
What is with the obsession of splitting NA and EU, really?
Anyway it all is about balance of power, UIF first formed to counter the Templar bloc. The natural response is to create a counter to perceived threats. The only way to fight back is to form a power block of equal or greater strength, if you refuse to even entertain the idea instead saying things like it is someone else's problem then you are already defeated and will be picked off one by one. Just like the Templar bloc did forcing people to join and easily crushing their enemies until the UIF stopped them.
as NA not seeing DRZ coming... of course we did... we knew it would happen before 3.0 even came up, and some people did try to do something about it, it just didnt work
Vovka you mean bastard, did you have to brainwash Xant? :cry:
I don't like huge alliances that just crush tiny factions but that's not what I'm seeing lately. DRZ got some help from Union/Legio when attacking Chaos, but those two clans didn't provide that much help. DRZ could've mustered more strength by themselves if they came full force, for sure. I'm not too familiar with NA politics but weren't Chaos and LLJK allied? If properly organized those two clans could've fought off the attack. Maybe not now since they were at war with Hospitallers but that's not a matter of getting pwned because of massive factions bullying tiny factions, it's just a matter of good timing from DRZ.
This is incorrect. DRZ had a massive amount of help throughout Strat from Bashi, Union, Greys, Legio and 22nd. Everytime a DRZ caravan passed through any of these faction's lands without being attacked either by the factions themselves or bandits, then DRZ was getting help. Economic Trading Alliances that span over 50% of the map are far more valuable in Strat than any military alliance.
As others have mentioned, all the UIF clans have already given each other a massive material advantage by establishing and protecting a cross map caravan that they all had peaceful access to for months. This when the top EU clans were already bigger and better organized than any NA clan.
A lot of Euro's don't seem to get a couple of fundamental facts:See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you dont believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a Favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cds and burn em. 'Cause you know what? The musicians whove made all that great music thats enhanced your lives throughout the years...
1) NA won't ally together, NA clans dislike each other more than they dislike EU clans.
2) NA players prefer to fight NA players, who the hell wants to deal with a game that has crappy pings & bad times for matches?
So you "won" the grand strategy game of strategus by forming an unstoppable mega alliance at the beginning? Umm congrats? When you play Europa Universalis 3 do you ally France, Spain, England together then brag about conquering Portugal?
Isn't that the equivalent of playing EU3 on "easy difficulty"?
I haven't heard of Nords having any massive caravan problems despite not being allied to anyone for the vast majority of Strat.
DRZ isn't a problem anyways, it's "just" a single clan, not even the biggest one.Firstly, as somebody mentioned, DRZ had a lot of support, even from the Nords.
..I'm not too familiar with NA politics but weren't Chaos and LLJK allied? If properly organized those two clans could've fought off the attack. Maybe not now since they were at war with Hospitallers but that's not a matter of getting pwned because of massive factions bullying tiny factions, it's just a matter of good timing from DRZ.
I don't think being attacked by bandits is major concern either way as long as you protect your caravans well enough. Don't have to be in a mega alliance to have your caravans get there and back safely.Everybody in EU just pummeled wataga, and that's pretty much your only bandit clan - the majority of your territories are open to non-NA factions, and even some NA factions. That's not true in the NA third of the map. Our caravans get constantly attacked in the EU portion of the map, regardless of any formal hostilities between factions. When I was with LLJK, our trader had to have an army to make it through your lands.
(click to show/hide)
I didn't really want to reply but..
Firstly, as somebody mentioned, DRZ had a lot of support, even from the Nords.
Everybody in EU just pummeled wataga, and that's pretty much your only bandit clan - the majority of your territories are open to non-NA factions, and even some NA factions. That's not true in the NA third of the map. Our caravans get constantly attacked in the EU portion of the map, regardless of any formal hostilities between factions. When I was with LLJK, our trader had to have an army to make it through your lands.
I have seen EU traders moving hundreds of crates with no troops.
I would say that you have secured your trade routes using diplomacy.
Strat should be like this :(click to show/hide)
Not like this :(click to show/hide)
See what I mean ?
My first reaction..(click to show/hide)
:D
Nah Matey, having read a lot of your posts it is clearly you (and NA) who are completely misinformed of what is going on on the EU side. Especially in terms of who is getting/using what resources.
Everyone assume way too much instead of finding the facts -- which is posted on the forum often but buried beneath all the tools who post without reading properly into the subject.
Matey :)) you did even worse then everyone else, rolled over and went to play another game, so you accidently might not lose in this game :) Nice tactic.
Osiris, great post +1
Matey :)) you did even worse then everyone else, rolled over and went to play another game, so you accidently might not lose in this game :) Nice tactic.