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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: tillmash on March 11, 2012, 10:45:00 am
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Hello fellow community,
A few of my clan members, including me, have decided to take up the art of siege. To run hardcore and structured drills, training us in the rapid assembly of the equipment. Me and my clan members can construct a chest, build a catapult, and be ready to fire, in just under three minutes. I dare say we are the most efficient siege team around. With even more crew members we can cut this time in half.
The problem, we are not allowed to use this efficiancy and skill in battle, or should i say siege.
I think you all know the rules about siege already, but i'll put them here to prove a point:
No siege equipment spam
OK: Planting ladders to get to roofs or walls
OK: Blocking a door with a construction site
OK: Planting siege shields to provide cover from ranged fire
NOT OK: Creating a weapon rack and spawning more than a few items to block movement
Ok, pretty obvious rules, don't be a tard. My team do not do this, yet we still end up being kicked from every server, because we are apparently leeching.
So here are the leeching rules:
No leeching
OK: Being a bad player and getting no kills
NOT OK: Standing around away from keyboard. If you're away, switch to spectator mode
NOT OK: Running around naked without weapon. Not contributing is leeching, naked runners don't contribute.
NOT OK: Autorunning your char to enemy to die
Non of which me or my crew are doing, so no leeching.
Then why is it that certian members of my construction crew get kicked, or get banned from every server. It is called SIEGE equipment for a reason. When every player on the server calls us leechers and destroys our equipment, all they are doing is wasting more time.
I say leave the siege crews alone, if they are activley building, they are not leeching. Just because siege equipment is a rarity does not mean that it is against server rules. The crew and I have invested alot of money into this project, but all we get is aggro about leeching.
Here is a nice little rule regarding all of the self proclaimed "leecher police"
NOT OK: poll-kicking someone because you don't like his playstyle
When we are doing this, this is the only rule being broken, and it is not by the siege crew.
All I ask is for some respect, and a chance to prove the worth of our siege crew, without being hassled every other second.
Please, post your opinion on this matter, and let us have some clarifaction.
Up vote this post if you agree, and support the cause.
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I just played on EU2 and some guys were building a catapult and shooting it and a guy started to destroy their stuff and they got kicked by admin for leeching or greifing their team. WTF?
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Hello, that was us, thank you for noticing and supporting our cause.
I hope that more people like you will understand what we are doing instead of accusing us.
We are the "UB" clan, probably seen us around, I know we have seen you.
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When every player on the server calls us leechers and destroys our equipment, all they are doing is wasting more time.
Read that part again.
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Catapults doesn't do damage to normal castles (only to strategus castles)not sure though? so it's useless to build/use catapults and it's right to call you as leechers because you are not helping your team.
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We know they do not damage castles, but we use them to kill people.
To prove our efficancy, we just hit our new constuction record from the start of building the rack, to the catapult rising out of the ground.
New record : 2:15mins
That is almost no time at all compared to the length of a siege round, from then on the catapult is free to pick people off of the top of castles.
In fact people spend more time being dead that 2:15 during a round, so what we are doing is no where near a waste of time.
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From doing some drills on the duel server earlier, it is clear that there is alot of support for our cause.
But, what has become obvious is that people views of catapults and siege crews have been tainted by terrible users. Unfortuantley this has led people to believe that all siege crews are terrible, leeching, wastes of time. Which could not be further from the truth.
I propose a campaign, of the political kind, to see if we can break the prejudice directed towards siege crews.
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As long as there is no siege-mode where you can actually use catapults (And i don't think there will be one, besides the one in strat) you are just not helping your team. There is no way you can be that effective with a catapult...
So, how many enemies did you kill with them?
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As long as there is no siege-mode where you can actually use catapults (And i don't think there will be one, besides the one in strat) you are just not helping your team. There is no way you can be that effective with a catapult...
So, how many enemies did you kill with them?
This unfortuantley, i cannot answer, as we have never successfully managed to construct a catapult in a siege game without getting kicked, banned or having our stuff broken. But from our drills i can tell you that we are about 85% percent accurate and can hit most designate targets within the first shot.
As i have said beofore, the crew has not been given a chance to prove their worth, and without the chance people like you will continue to be nay-sayers.
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Siege crews seem pretty cool. I don't see any problem with having a few guys specialized in support.
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Siege crews seem pretty cool. I don't see any problem with having a few guys specialized in support.
Thank you, that is exactley what we are aiming for, if only more people would see reason like you.
As long as we don't end up with half a team constructing siege equipment, maybe just 2-5 then players it stays in balance.
In my view it also adds another tactical objective as the siege camp would cause a lot of hassle, so must be destroyed.
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Tillmash, if your team ever needs a guard, you can ask me (Lidija) for help :D
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So you are 5(?) men which are completely useless for 3 minutes, not doing a thing to aid your team and after that you are as useful as 1/3 of a single crossbowman?
I'd ban for that.
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So you are 5(?) men which are completely useless for 3 minutes, not doing a thing to aid your team and after that you are as useful as 1/3 of a single crossbowman?
I'd ban for that.
Wrong, my little clan that i roll with is only about 6 people. Only 2 or 3 members of which actually participate in the siege crew.
And once again, it is impossible to say what our crew effectiveness is as we have never been given a chance.
It also only takes us 2:15 to get a fully workign siege camp going now including the catapult being operational.
That is no time at all.
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Tillmash, if your team ever needs a guard, you can ask me (Lidija) for help :D
You are very kind, if we ever come across you during a battle we will make sure to give ya a shout.
That is, if we ever manage to break this prejudice against siege crews, and are able to stay on a server for more than 1 and a half minuites without being kicked for "leeching"
Your support is greatly appreciated.
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Why do you think 2:15 is "no time at all" if the siege rounds are only 6 minutes? That is ~1/3 of the whole round!
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Many people spend more time dead than 2:15 during a single round, and as the siege crew is typicaly far enough away from the action, they do not die.
Meaning that they are not wasting time, instead of being dead they are just building. The catapults have good range so are able to still do damage but keep the crew safe.
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You are very kind, if we ever come across you during a battle we will make sure to give ya a shout.
That is, if we ever manage to break this prejudice against siege crews, and are able to stay on a server for more than 1 and a half minuites without being kicked for "leeching"
Your support is greatly appreciated.
I strongly support everything that has to do with rp or playing a class most don't use, as I find it really interesting :D Maybe someday we might get ourselves some better siege weaponry and then we will show these guys :wink:
And I can go peasant armor + wooden dagger and get scores like 0-50 if I want to, if I actively play. Why no for catapults?
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Awww, I wanted to see the catapult in action, sounds fun. :(
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Awww, I wanted to see the catapult in action, sounds fun. :(
You may still be able to see us in action,all we need to do is convince people that this playstyle is not leeching, and adds a whole nother level to the immersion and the siege.
Tell more people to come here and support the cause.
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The problem with this is that even if you do manage to make that catapult in under 3 minutes, it does NOTHING to capture the flag. Sure you kill 3 archers on the wall before the round is over, but that means 3 people got 1 kill each in 6 minutes and were no where NEAR to the flag to cap it. This is all supposition that you will actually be left alone by the other team to make the siege equipment and that the castle your attacking will have camp spots that are targetable to your catapult.
If you want to practice your siege building for strat purposes go to duel off to the side and do it. If you want to contribute to your team and win a round, gear up and get into the fight.
TL:DR - Building a catapult has NO effect on the outcome other than your team being down 3 warm bodies.
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Gives us longer siege rounds, where you either:
A) HAVE to break the door/wall/something with a catapult/ram/whatever to get in fast.
B) Slowly advance via one, single bottleneck.
Problem has a solution :mrgreen:
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To be fair though plenty of people utilize tactics or act in ways that also do absolutely nothing for their team. :wink:
I can go kill hunting on siege, make absolutely no difference other than kill random people far away from the flag but I doubt I would get kicked or banned for that. ^^
A lot of people end a round in siege or battle with only one or two kills of no value.
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The problem with this is that even if you do manage to make that catapult in under 3 minutes, it does NOTHING to capture the flag. Sure you kill 3 archers on the wall before the round is over, but that means 3 people got 1 kill each in 6 minutes and were no where NEAR to the flag to cap it. This is all supposition that you will actually be left alone by the other team to make the siege equipment and that the castle your attacking will have camp spots that are targetable to your catapult.
If you want to practice your siege building for strat purposes go to duel off to the side and do it. If you want to contribute to your team and win a round, gear up and get into the fight.
TL:DR - Building a catapult has NO effect on the outcome other than your team being down 3 warm bodies.
We generally only use 2 people acting as crew, but what you are saying still seems a little prejudiced to me. I get what you are saying, that the crew is not helpful to the team. But let mem direct you to one of the rules:
OK: Being a bad player and getting no kills
Of course, you already knew this, you are an admin for christ sake, but if there are bad players allowed to go around doing bugger all for their team, then why can't there be a siege crew that, still gets kills, but apparently to you , still does bugger all. Even though there are player who will go around at 0-8 not even knowing how to play the gamemode, they do not get kicked, and even the players who are not new, but still play terribly, they do not get kicked.
If you wish, write us off as terrible players, but truth is, as it says in the rules, there is nothing wrong with being a bad player.
And so we should be given a chance, or even more so, the freedom to play the game how we enjoy it. Who knows, it might catch on and people may actually start to become pretty damn good at using catapults.
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But the thing is, at least terrible players are up in the mix as a distraction. They are up there swinging at enemies and being a target that will distract the enemies so a teammate can either kill or get around them to go for the flag. I'll take an 0-8 player that gets in the mix and distracts some enemies for a few moments than 2-3 players out near spawn that dont do anything to achieve the goal of the round.
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I was the one that was destroying your equipment because I did not know that you were all that serious about this. I am not to blame though, because siege equipment crews have a leecher reputation.
It would be nice to have you on defense though, if you guys could make a healing tent and stuff like that, it could really pay off.
It would be also great if you could wreck doors and walls with catapults, but I am not sure if that is possible on normal siege castles.
We need a new siege mode with maps from strategus!
Thank you for your response, it is very meaningful.
I agree with pretty much everything you have said ,especially about the map idea.
I know it is definatley possible to destroy the smaller doors on castles with the catapults. The defense stuff you mentioned is an absolute must that we will work on when on a def team.
Thank you for adding more to our cause.
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But the thing is, at least terrible players are up in the mix as a distraction. They are up there swinging at enemies and being a target that will distract the enemies so a teammate can either kill or get around them to go for the flag. I'll take an 0-8 player that gets in the mix and distracts some enemies for a few moments than 2-3 players out near spawn that dont do anything to achieve the goal of the round.
As i have said before we can still do all of this, we are able to lob rocks over the walls causing disruption and the possibility of getting kills.
Please do not write us off until you have seen what we can truly do.
The hardest thing for us is when admins do not give us a chance, from this thread you can see that there are many players that support us, but if ONE admin does not even give us a chance then we have no shot whatsoever at helping, as we become kicked or banned before we even finish the catapult.
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make catapult work like it did work in older versions of crpg
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make catapult work like it did work in older versions of crpg
I haven't been around for too long, maybe only a year or so.
Enlighten me, how did they use to work?
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It's sad, but most people here only care about the multi. Unless you are doing something that is DIRECTLY contributing to their multi you are breaking the rules. So, the only fun you can have is the fun that gives other people a higher multi.
It's sad really as the equipment we have can be very useful in both siege and battle.
In siege as defenders you can build healing tents. As attackers you can build siege towers to sneak into previously unreachable parts of the castle.
In battle, weapon racks and healing tents are awesome. You can build a weapon rack in about 5 seconds. Then you can create a defensive position with siege shields and a healing tent.
But, your teammates will never let that happen because you MUST FEED THE MULTIS!
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It's sad, but most people here only care about the multi. Unless you are doing something that is DIRECTLY contributing to their multi you are breaking the rules. So, the only fun you can have is the fun that gives other people a higher multi.
It's sad really as the equipment we have can be very useful in both siege and battle.
In siege as defenders you can build healing tents. As attackers you can build siege towers to sneak into previously unreachable parts of the castle.
In battle, weapon racks and healing tents are awesome. You can build a weapon rack in about 5 seconds. Then you can create a defensive position with siege shields and a healing tent.
But, your teammates will never let that happen because you MUST FEED THE MULTIS!
sadly i completley agree with you.
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I support the Siege Crew, muliplier of exp and gold is not the most important, just like the winning.
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I support the Siege Crew, muliplier of exp and gold is not the most important, just like the winning.
I agree, the most important part is fun, and that every player enjoys their own playstyle.
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Siege Crews and catapults seem very nice ! I would like a harder and longer siege gamemode or map.. One that gives the crews time to use siege equipment and such ! harder to conquer walls aswell !
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Yesterday some guys built siege equipment on Eu 3. It was really fun to play with the catapult and siege tower, but it also takes skill to hit anything with it. Respect to your clan if you can built a catapult and hit a building with the first shot in just 3 minutes.
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But, your teammates will never let that happen because you MUST FEED THE MULTIS!
We had this going yesterday on EU_1, it was really fun, we had people throwing smoke bombs, handing out crossbows, simply defending, putting out siege shields, etc.
First time we attempted this the other team was on 5x we beat them with like six players left, second time their players where better organized and their cav managed to break our shields and leave us scattered, but it was most fun the next map.
BTW: Guys, I remember your clan, I was the guy on EU_3 showing you how to use the catapult, you sound like you've grown good at it, hopefully once these haters lighten up I can see for myself.
Also, Tercio, yeah that was fun as hell.
ENGINEERS WANT THE SAME RIGHTS AS ALL OTHER PLAYERS!!!
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Yesterday some guys built siege equipment on Eu 3. It was really fun to play with the catapult and siege tower, but it also takes skill to hit anything with it. Respect to your clan if you can built a catapult and hit a building with the first shot in just 3 minutes.
Thank you very much, you are the perfect example of how people should feel about siege crews.
hmm... yesterday on EU3, that was probably us actually :)
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We had this going yesterday on EU_1, it was really fun, we had people throwing smoke bombs, handing out crossbows, simply defending, putting out siege shields, etc.
BTW: Guys, I remember your clan, I was the guy on EU_3 showing you how to use the catapult, you sound like you've grown good at it, hopefully once these haters lighten up I can see for myself.
Also, Tercio, yeah that was fun as hell.
ENGINEERS WANT THE SAME RIGHTS AS ALL OTHER PLAYERS!!!
Hehe, your advice has served us well and we are ready to prove ur worth.
But as the point of the campiagn says, we are unable to do so at fear of being banned and kicked constantly.
Your support is greatly appreciated.
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Thank you very much, you are the perfect example of how people should feel about siege crews.
hmm... yesterday on EU3, that was probably us actually :)
I think it was me and another guy (later there came more builders), reason I think this is that I remember Laufknoten helping us out.
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Thank you very much, you are the perfect example of how people should feel about siege crews.
hmm... yesterday on EU3, that was probably us actually :)
No, that was before or after you guys showed up. Zlisch showed some guy how to use the catapult and I joined them.
Siege equipment would make siege a lot more interesting in my opinion. Atm it's bascially just clusterfuck deathmatch and there's no place and time for siege equipment. Siege needs some love. :D
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I see an incredible amount of support for our siege crew, does this finally mean that we will be able to get some actual siege experiance now, without constantly being harrased.
My crew will attempt to go out some time tonight and hopefully it will be a success, keep an eye out for us :)
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we've done a siege crew with a few NA guy (not official, just random guy trying)
and well.. it MAY have worked without all the people destructing and killing us (to not bypass auto-balance we helped us even if in wrong team...)
our only kills was a teammate, but still... they could have won with our siege tower... if they didn't destroy it!!
I've noticed some map cata ARE useful : basically all the map with door in front of flag : a little shot and BOOM no defender!
I support!!!
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"It is clear there is a lot of support for our cause"
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"When everyone on the server calls us leechers"
A handful of supportive forum posts doesn't overrule the fact that you annoy everyone in the actual game.
The real question you have to ask is, "Does this catapult help our team win?"
No. No, it doesn't. And all the time you wasted building it has helped your team lose. That stuff should be taken off of the battle and siege servers.
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"It is clear there is a lot of support for our cause"
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"When everyone on the server calls us leechers"
A handful of supportive forum posts doesn't overrule the fact that you annoy everyone in the actual game.
The real question you have to ask is, "Does this catapult help our team win?"
No. No, it doesn't. And all the time you wasted building it has helped your team lose. That stuff should be taken off of the battle and siege servers.
As i have said in previous responses, if you do wish, write us off as bad players, like the many hindreds there already is.
You know the ones, the people who go around doing bugger all for their team and end with something rediculous like 0-9.
Put us in their catagory, its not matter to us, those crap players do not get votekicked or banned.
All we ask is that we can the game how we want, just as you are allowed. What would happen if we all started kicking and banning you just becuase of the particular weapon or armour you use.
The fact is, my crew are able to get kills with the catapult, and many crap players can't get a kill with anything. So why is it us who become kicked and banned.
Just using simple logic it becomes apparent that what is happening to siege crews is unjust, and unfair.
In regard to our support, we have in game support, not jst people on the forums, during our drills we have had many people comment on us, and when asked if they think what we are doing is good. They always say that it is.
Next time you see any siege crew, not just ours, give them a chance, instead of having a massive rage at them because they aint feeding your mulitplier.
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IMO, destroying your own teams siege equipment should be bannable, instead it seems, admins would rather have building siege equipment be bannable :| , and catapults may not be helping your team win (because it's illegal to get good at it. :rolleyes: ) but they still provide fun for everyone not multi-addicted/dicks who wanna ruin all your fun, builders or not!
BTW: tillmash if we ever get proper respect we should gather together some more people one day and build together (the more builders the faster you can get it all up).
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IMO, destroying your own teams siege equipment should be bannable, instead it seems, admins would rather have building siege equipment be bannable :| , and catapults may not be helping your team win (because it's illegal to get good at it. :rolleyes: ) but they still provide fun for everyone not multi-addicted/dicks who wanna ruin all your fun, builders or not!
BTW: tillmash if we ever get proper respect we should gather together some more people one day and build together (the more builders the faster you can get it all up).
That is a very good idea, i like what you are saying, by breaking our siege equipment all they are doing is wasting more time.
Which is what they are complaining about in the first place.
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I'd rather have a catapult shot land on my head then get hit in the back by a teammate.
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Hey, Another UB'ian here. When I heard UB_Forge was banned by an admin, I was disgusted. He hadn't broken any rules AND he was trying to support the team until he was kicked or the equipment destroyed By his own teamates. Many siege crews are labeled, Leechers (Which makes no sense what so ever) so many people rage over petty things.
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if the catapults dont actually destroy walls in siege mode, then ya, you are leeching bigtime. You are not contributing and are actually a burden & distraction to your team.
NH builds weapon racks on defense in siege and its amazing what admins let retards/griefers get away with. People that destroy friendly siege equipment should get week-month long bans. Hell maybe next time I'll contact admins ahead of time that we're planning on playing siege and that people will inevitably try to destroy our stuff for no reason at all.
Devs should fix it so catapult actually DOES work in siege and destroys walls, but fat chance of that happening. Expect rule update to making this against rules soon!
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if the catapults dont actually destroy walls in siege mode, then ya, you are leeching bigtime. You are not contributing and are actually a burden & distraction to your team.
NH builds weapon racks on defense in siege and its amazing what admins let retards/griefers get away with. People that destroy friendly siege equipment should get week-month long bans. Hell maybe next time I'll contact admins ahead of time that we're planning on playing siege and that people will inevitably try to destroy our stuff for no reason at all.
Devs should fix it so catapult actually DOES work in siege and destroys walls, but fat chance of that happening. Expect rule update to making this against rules soon!
catapults are amazing against clusters, if anyone was allowed to practice using a cat and if dick siege equipment breakers where banned then I'm certain they'd be MORE than usefull, they got a nice AOE (I've taken out and been taken out on EU_3 via catapults, they can shot atleast two people at once, probably more in typichal siege flag waiting areas, imagine a typical siege round end, shitload of defenders are standing very close at flag, shitload of attackers storm at them, giant melee, random team wins, now imagine if as the attackers approach a giant rock falls down from the sky and kills a shitload of defenders, then the remainders die fast and one team wins... also, back when I was playing siege often an admin complained about me spawning without a weapon twice to build a weapon rack and be able to eternally refill my throwing lance stock...
But UB (that's your name, right?) you should try building a forward base as attackers on siege one time, now that'd be useful as fuck and maybe admins wouldn't get all pissed off (for no reason) over it. ('cept your team retards would break it).
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catapults are amazing against clusters, if anyone was allowed to practice using a cat and if dick siege equipment breakers where banned then I'm certain they'd be MORE than usefull, they got a nice AOE (I've taken out and been taken out on EU_3 via catapults, they can shot atleast two people at once, probably more in typichal siege flag waiting areas, imagine a typical siege round end, shitload of defenders are standing very close at flag, shitload of attackers storm at them, giant melee, random team wins, now imagine if as the attackers approach a giant rock falls down from the sky and kills a shitload of defenders, then the remainders die fast and one team wins... also, back when I was playing siege often an admin complained about me spawning without a weapon twice to build a weapon rack and be able to eternally refill my throwing lance stock...
But UN (that's your name, right?) you should try building a forward base as attackers on siege one time, now that'd be useful as fuck and maybe admins wouldn't get all pissed off (for no reason) over it. ('cept your team retards would break it).
decent point, but the likely hood of you landing a killer shot on 5+ flag defenders while coordinating with your team as to not Friendly fire just as many is about 1 in 10 thousand. Maybe make a promotional video with your spotting skills and we'll be more inclined to support you.
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Problem is, in people's mind, siege equipment is used by abusers and exploiters, and they'r kind of right, it was really abused by some clans...
show it can be used in a good useful way, make siege towers to access easily the flag to give insta-win to your side, then people will stop being negative towards you
good luck
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I support Siege-Crew as long as they do take grey-banner ;)
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Fuck yeah, siege engineers! They need some love! I and a clanmate tried to build a Siege Tower on the HRE castle map, but it failed because retarded teammates destroyed it right before we finished it. Sigh. Then I got hit with the 3k repair cost.... Didn't try again next round. You might think they don't contribute, but they DEFINITELY don't leech.
I'll join you guys and your crew if I see you on the siege servers. Good luck with the engineer corp! I'll remember you if I need you in strat.
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Hi guys,
thanks for all your support and ideas, it's pretty hard ofr us to make a video as we cannot get onto any siege servers, meaning that if we made a vid , you would just see us shotting static shit on the duel servers.
Continue to support the cause my brothers 8-)
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While I don't find building a catapult and shooting people with it particularly helpful towards winning a siege, I still think you shouldn't get banned for this.
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I'd say stay away from Catapults. They're just not effective enough to warrant the time spent on them, and if you get balanced off to the other team you're effectively helping your enemies, right? Siege equipment stays in place as long as it's not destroyed, correct? I'm not entirely sure. I know weapon racks stay behind.
Anyway, I'd say in general that a Siege Tower of sorts is currently the most effective use of siege materials, due to the amount of hits it can take along with it's mobility. Catapult can be somewhat effective depending on the castle layout and whether you're using it on Attack or Defense, but dies fast, and a healing tent is paper thin.
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2 questions, how do I make a Healing tent, and does it work on battle servers. Also how long does healing tent take to erect? Guess it was three questions.
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2 questions, how do I make a Healing tent, and does it work on battle servers. Also how long does healing tent take to erect? Guess it was three questions.
You need a construction site, which is a little over 38k, and 1 other person to carry some construction material.
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Hi guys,
thanks for all your support and ideas, it's pretty hard ofr us to make a video as we cannot get onto any siege servers, meaning that if we made a vid , you would just see us shotting static shit on the duel servers.
Continue to support the cause my brothers 8-)
Time lapse build, have target dumbie person duel the catapult operator and move far away somewhere else on the map, perhaps up on a building, hill or tower. Time how long & how many shots to hit'em dead
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Time lapse build, have target dumbie person duel the catapult operator and move far away somewhere else on the map, perhaps up on a building, hill or tower. Time how long & how many shots to hit'em dead
I shot at people often, some get pissed, but lolz...
My hit amount varies from first hit 40%, 2nd hit 5%, sometime after 3rd attempt 55%...
Not in their clan, not been practicing that long, just sayin', stop hatin'.
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2 questions, how do I make a Healing tent, and does it work on battle servers. Also how long does healing tent take to erect? Guess it was three questions.
Work in battle server, fastest siege equipment to make ('cept rack), you need one other player in order to build properly, tillmash told you how, build rack, then use it to refill and build tent.
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My personal opinion is that it's a waste of time to build/use siege eq in normal siege.
The timer isnt long enough. I really cant see the benefit of it. After 3 mins the first door of the wall would be down, ladders erecte, siege towers moved... what can a catapult do for the team in a helpful and timely way?
I would support some kind of new siege mode with say a 15 min timer where siege equipment can be used.
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No ban can stop my engineers! No mute can stop my voice of freedom! Rights to the engineers!
Zlisch for president of the siege club 2012!
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I feel that if the defending team made a catapult to scrape everyone off a section of the wall it would be pretty hilarious and effective. The amount of flags that have a bottleneck right before them could be defended quite effectively with that death device.
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I support this 110%. I believe with a well drilled enough team it is possible to build a catapult, and lob onto the flag killing any defenders on it. The catapult can kill at least 3 people in one shot, it has been proven. I wish I had a dedicated team of assistants.
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Not worth it, you are a liability to your team.
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What a joke. Your saying that after 3 minutes you can start firing, as long as no defenders are meanies and ride out + lance your site + face....
And once your firing, explain to me, please, what your use is?
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Nice thread.
My opinion: a construction site is expensive and uses 3 slots. So not more then one or two players on a team will carry one. imo there is no real threat in massengeneering ruining the game or the multiplier of the team.
So I support this: kick players who destroy friendly construction sites - let engineers do their thing!
But as I read the thread I saw following:
we've done a siege crew with a few NA guy (not official, just random guy trying)
and well.. it MAY have worked without all the people destructing and killing us (to not bypass auto-balance we helped us even if in wrong team...)
our only kills was a teammate, but still... they could have won with our siege tower... if they didn't destroy it!!
I've noticed some map cata ARE useful : basically all the map with door in front of flag : a little shot and BOOM no defender!
I support!!!
Please dont let this get a habit. This ruins the reputation of engineering. Stick to your team and play for your team. Else dont wonder if you get kicked and banned.
edit: typofix
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I've gone full time siegeing on NA. The idea that a siege team in siege is useless is... well... idiotic. While defending, deploying weapons racks and healing tents is a huge bonus for the defending team. Let us not over look the awesome power of a forward base both for offense and defense.
So shut up douche nozels, your nozels are douchey.
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15 minute siege mode ftw, I would love that
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If it is possible to install such a server i would sit down to make maps balanced for 15 minutes roundtime ;)
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If it is possible to install such a server i would sit down to make maps balanced for 15 minutes roundtime ;)
Why not balance them for the current time limits then?
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It is a shame that siege gear is useless on siege servers. It's obvious on Strategus fights that most people don't know how to use ladders and with them gone from all game modes, they have no way to practice.
Granted ladders did break most of the siege maps, and the maps made to counter ladder spam (by having steep hills) just suck to play on.
Siege just needs to be updated/replaced with Strategus-type battles.
Attackers and defenders both get, say, 500 tickets. Maybe bring-your-own-gear instead of Strategus style gear but otherwise a fight to the death.
Use actual Strategus maps so it doubles as practice and a way to test Strategus maps.
But anyway, siege equipment on siege servers still sucks and is still useless. Battles are over way too quick for healing tents, spawn points or anything else to be worth the time to build.
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If you want to be useful in siege with siege equipment, don't build a catapult, build a healing tent, or a forward base...
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5 minute siege mode is carefully balanced on an assumption that both teams are trying to capture the flag in the most efficient manner possible. The whole point of attackers busting down doors and gates is to decrease spawn to flag time from what is usually an unwinnable amount to something very winnable. Defenders' ability to efficiently hold up attackers at critical chokes determines their chance of victory. Ladders unfortunately had to be removed because on most maps they allowed attackers to instantly bypass chokes, and setup efficient flag routes right at the start instead of having to fight for them as intended.
Anyone who's out there on the map doing something other than doing their utmost to efficiently fight for chokepoints is basically sabotaging their team because they take a roster spot but aren't participating in anything close to an efficient manner towards team victory, so you are giving the other team a numerical advantage. This is really exacerbated when there are multiple people doing this, being banner balanced together. This is why people dislike you and you get banned, because you selfishly play the game, in a team game you engage in unproductive activities for your own personal satisfaction, and sabotage the chances of victory for your teammates by giving them a huge handicap. You are basically doing the effective equivilant of taking some people off to a corner and holding a longjump competition.
You have a case that siege equipment should be in use in game modes besides strategus battles, anyone who's a fan of siege would love to see it, but the current siege mode is not balance for it at all. The devs have tried to make a new sieeg mode that has engineering (stronghold) and apparently ran into some roadblocks. Maybe the Warband engine patch coming with Napoleon DLC and including upgrades for object destruction will help CRPG devs implement catapults, or maybe some kind of public version of strat battles can be implemented as others have suggested (500 tickets, 15 minutes). But right now you guys can't just go into normal siege and fuck it up for the other 75 players, it's unbalancing and it's selfish, you deserve any bans you get.
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15 min siege mode with limited spawns, ladders and catapults and etc
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Leechers get banned. Stop leeching.
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Yeah would be nice is siege was basically like strat battles, play on the castles that strat plays on, do 500 tickets and 15 minute maps (or something like that). That would be preferred by me.
5 minute rounds and setting up a catapult for 2 or 3 minutes of those rounds is a massive waste of time. healing tents are questionable, they are nice for defenders but not necessarily needed. forward bases are very nice for attackers, and it's cool they last into the next round.
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Forward bases last more than a round. They are useful for backdoor assaults/ saving time in the rounds ahead, but when people get balance they end up spawning there even if they are on the other team lol.
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Forward bases need removing or recoding so they DONT last past a round. Fair enough if you manage to build one in a strategic location, that doesnt get destroyed, and use it to help win THAT round. But then being able to rape the next round, because of something that happend in a previous round, is not in the spirit of crpg at all. It harks back to native, and Counterstrike, where winning the round gives you a large advantage and allows you to win more rounds until enemy saves/kills enough to counter your gear. Same goes for healing tents, weapon racks, everything.
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Well they'd be pretty useless if people re-balanced to defenders started spawning there...
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how come i never seen a catapult in game?
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how come i never seen a catapult in game?
Because they take a lot of time to build and are more often bugged than not.
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Because they take a lot of time to build and are more often bugged than not.
Not to mention, most ppl who SEE you building anything, teammate or not, will destroy it so you stop wasting time and lagging the server.
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Not to mention, most ppl who SEE you building anything, teammate or not, will destroy it so you stop wasting time and lagging the server.
That too. But still keep making them. Siege stuff is fun stuff!
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How about a long Conquest gametype with a siege style map with flags placed in certain places to give it the impression of a siege? Catapults would be useful there.
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^^ that sounds good. like start in a valley, take the river flag, move to the city flag and ending with a castle flag
That too. But still keep making them. Siege stuff is fun stuff!
it is actually. i remember 4 of us built a siege tower in battle. it was like 4 of us rolling in a tower against 30 enemies lol cause obviously it took like the whole round to build, classic shit
/sign more siege map types and equipment
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it is actually. i remember 4 of us built a siege tower in battle. it was like 4 of us rolling in a tower against 30 enemies lol cause obviously it took like the whole round to build, classic shit
/sign more siege map types and equipment
:D
chadz also said that if someone makes a balista model, he might implement it :D
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:D
chadz also said that if someone makes a balista model, he might implement it :D
This would be good. Then all arbalest my old friends can stop using their scifi lazergun and make these instead.
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This would be good. Then all arbalest my old friends can stop using their scifi lazergun and make these instead.
What would be wrong with that? You would still need 2 people to make an equipment chest, spend some time throwing materials on the c-site, and the reload time and aiming would be longer. The balistae would also be either stationary or slow moving. No kiting at all. What's the problem then?
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What would be wrong with that? You would still need 2 people to make an equipment chest, spend some time throwing materials on the c-site, and the reload time and aiming would be longer. The balistae would also be either stationary or slow moving. No kiting at all. What's the problem then?
None, I would almost love to see these being mobile, spawnable, and use 3 slots, firing...I dunno, bolts maybe, to make the 5th slot, and a 2nd guy needed to guard you/bring more ammo. I have a personal dislike of the arbalest, since it is a 19th century weapon, and the balistae could replace it.
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None, I would almost love to see these being mobile, spawnable, and use 3 slots, firing...I dunno, bolts maybe, to make the 5th slot, and a 2nd guy needed to guard you/bring more ammo. I have a personal dislike of the arbalest, since it is a 19th century weapon, and the balistae could replace it.
I say it should be a constructible item, like the catapult, not an item you can "throw down" like the siege shields :P Gotta get dem HEAVY balistas, not the puny small ones!
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But catapults fill that role...maybe constructable, but low materials, so they are relatively fast to build, can be built by the spawnd gear of just 2 men, and can maintain a rate of fire to make them viable.
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But catapults fill that role...maybe constructable, but low materials, so they are relatively fast to build, can be built by the spawnd gear of just 2 men, and can maintain a rate of fire to make them viable.
Catapults is for anti-building, ballista should be anti-infantry/anti-catapult (or other siege equipment). Basically shooting more in a straight line, no (or very small) AoE, faster fire and doesn't destroy walls (or at least, not as well as catapults).
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Well, needs modelling now, since we got the usage sorted :D
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I like diversity in seige.
YES equipment.
YES ladders.
I approve.
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I like diversity in seige.
YES equipment.
YES ladders.
I approve.