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Title: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on February 10, 2012, 09:21:16 pm
Teutonics, Strangers, Druzhina and GO under one banner on siege. Not that i don't like challenges but this is just fucking retarded. 23 of 35 of them on one team right now.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: _Tak_ on February 10, 2012, 09:25:18 pm
Teutonics, Strangers, Druzhina and GO under one banner on siege. Not that i don't like challenges but this is just fucking retarded. 23 of 35 of them on one team right now.

HRE do the same sometime with 10 people?
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on February 10, 2012, 09:28:17 pm
HRE do the same sometime with 10 people?
Yah, but we are one clan, not 4 ganking one server together.

Edit: Before anyone of you can tell me "But it's only Drz and GO now!!!", yeah, but i saw Ts and STRs with the same banner as GO and DRZ as well. (Not just for some hours, they do it for a couple of weeks now)
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Zerran on February 10, 2012, 09:28:46 pm
HRE do the same sometime with 10 people?

I was unaware that 10 = 23. When did this happen?
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Teeth on February 10, 2012, 09:40:39 pm
Byzantium does this too. Theres like 10 Byzantiums + 20 randomers with the Byzantium banner on EU_1 on most nights. Stop this madness!
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Thovex on February 10, 2012, 09:43:34 pm
Yup, same for us when we raid, the smart people took the banner and mostly they are the ones that have a clue about a bit of gameplay, so you'll always win ^^
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Mephistoles on February 10, 2012, 09:46:15 pm
Well you cant tell the "no clan players" not to use any clan banners. that would be even bigger madness. and @ HRE: Normaly you are the Guys with 30 HRE Banners on the server (and maximum 10 HREs out of it). and totally its also like 10-15 clan guys with same banner + publics
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 10, 2012, 09:47:45 pm
I don't mind if it is just occasional. Clans working together for the odd night seems like a nice way to bring people together (and repair some of that nonsense of "hate that guy simply because of his tag.")
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on February 10, 2012, 09:49:24 pm
I don't care about randomers taking their banner. Most of them just want to leech and are not really any helpful in the battle. It's just the fact that there are 4 clans taking one banner and doing some pretty nasty organised shit. :O

@ToD: Where do you see any "hate"? oO
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Rumblood on February 10, 2012, 09:53:26 pm
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Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Tuonela on February 10, 2012, 09:55:35 pm
Play on the server with no banner balance?
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: isatis on February 10, 2012, 09:56:39 pm
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Stop the Madness!

those american...

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Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Christo on February 10, 2012, 10:00:33 pm
While the occasional clan dominating on a server is something I can accept, banner leechers, and multiple clans on the same team, is something I just can't stand.

Seriously, banner-hopping scum are just messing the vulnerable balance even more.
I remember there was talk about a suggestion that would not give banner leechers any benefit. I hope something will happen.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on February 10, 2012, 10:04:51 pm
While the occasional clan dominating on a server is something I can accept, banner leechers, and multiple clans on the same team, is something I just can't stand.

Seriously, banner-hopping scum are just messing the vulnerable balance even more.
I remember there was talk about a suggestion that would not give banner leechers any benefit. I hope something will happen.

That's exactly where i wanted this thread to go =)

There should be a way to let the banner balance only kick in at actual clan-members without forbidding randomers the use of that banner. =O
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Zaren on February 10, 2012, 10:06:21 pm
heres an idea... get better... I bet one saulcanner or kaoklai or someone like that could take the whole HRE team on...btw randomers have the right to use any banner they want
Fact remain if there are 60 people its going to be close to a 30v30 and thats fair teams... if your losing then get better
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on February 10, 2012, 10:13:43 pm
heres an idea... get better... I bet one saulcanner or kaoklai or someone like that could take the whole HRE team on...btw randomers have the right to use any banner they want
Fact remain if there are 60 people its going to be close to a 30v30 and thats fair teams... if your losing then get better

U must be new to siege.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 10, 2012, 10:23:41 pm
heres an idea... get better... I bet one saulcanner or kaoklai or someone like that could take the whole HRE team on...btw randomers have the right to use any banner they want
Fact remain if there are 60 people its going to be close to a 30v30 and thats fair teams... if your losing then get better

Bold words for someone unfamiliar with the HRE.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Have_At_Thee on February 10, 2012, 10:33:42 pm
I believe there is a server without banner balance now, eu5?  You could just go there.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: justme on February 10, 2012, 10:39:59 pm
pin balance..
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Teeth on February 10, 2012, 11:36:10 pm
heres an idea... get better... I bet one saulcanner or kaoklai or someone like that could take the whole HRE team on...btw randomers have the right to use any banner they want
Fact remain if there are 60 people its going to be close to a 30v30 and thats fair teams... if your losing then get better
This post is so full of shit, thanks for the brilliant advice.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Kafein on February 10, 2012, 11:36:56 pm
If you really want to play siege without a big blob on the other side, you can still negate their banner stacking by having all HRE members switch banners to that of DRZ, GO etc.

Pushed to the extreme, this leads to the whole server using one banner, thus acting like if there was no banner balance.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: RibaldRon on February 10, 2012, 11:50:51 pm
Long story short: There isn't really any autobalance.

One way people circumvent it is to just NOT SPAWN if they get on the team that they don't want to be on, so the teams might be perfectly balanced, if they would spawn without being on their clan's team.

Happens all the freaking time.  Good solution to that, though, might be to not reward players who could have, but didn't, spawn in.  Maybe even  an auto-kick or temporary ban for repeat offenders.


Admins sometimes take care of it but not usually.

Unfortunately I think the only solution to this would take more effort than it's worth, though the autobalance for c-RPG is way worse than native, where it seems there's extensive balancing done every round.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Zaren on February 11, 2012, 04:18:16 am
U must be new to siege.
nah not new at all.. in fact ive gone 2 gens never playing battle and just siege  ive seen saul or racecar take out like 10 guys so again...get better(but then again ur HRE......)
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Zaren on February 11, 2012, 04:20:45 am
Bold words for someone unfamiliar with the HRE.
and tears what i know about the HRE is
1. They got their asses kicked in strat by hospitaller, occitan, and us (and templar? i forgot if they took part in it)
2. i consistantly kill them(in NA but o well yes i know they are EU and have bad ping)
3. If anyone complains about being killed or somethings unfair.... my reply is-Get Better
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on February 11, 2012, 06:11:20 am
and tears what i know about the HRE is
1. They got their asses kicked in strat by hospitaller, occitan, and us (and templar? i forgot if they took part in it)
2. i consistantly kill them(in NA but o well yes i know they are EU and have bad ping)
3. If anyone complains about being killed or somethings unfair.... my reply is-Get Better



pretty shite reply, just because a clan lost on strat doesnt mean they will in a normal battle server. Maybe they didnt have the weapons and armor their best with, maybe they didnt have most of their members on who knows point is strat is totally different from normal servers. And what kind of advice is "Get better" thats like saying to a person whos autistic to focus on the convosation...its just not going to happen, People "get better" by training and working for it not just "spawn....stab stab stab...die....spawn...die...spawn.....slash slash slash...KILL...die..." no I dont know how you learned to play and "got better" but I had to train and had to have someone teach me how to play....back on to the main subject as you said if you have faced HRE on an NA server ping makes a pretty big different on your performance and has a big impact on gameplay...why don't you try joining EU_2 or 5 and see how well you do with shite ping... and the comment but then again ur HRE...... what the fuck is that supposed to mean? if its relating to the fact their german you should just stop posting and if its not how can you judge a clan from a few strat battles??
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Siiem on February 11, 2012, 06:34:49 am
I still stick my suggestion of banners being tied to strategus factions. Why would you need a banner if you're not in a clan anyway.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on February 11, 2012, 06:54:04 am
+1 for removing banner balance all together. Its a complete waste of time and effort.

What we need is a dedicated NA & EU server that uses the battle group system. Have clans set up regular battle group battles and then duke it out. LLJK+CHAOS vs ATS+HATE, stuff like that.

The "public/comunity" servers are no place for clan toting ballony. The "leechers" aren't at fault either it stupid system that gives clans server priority over everyone else. If your on and getting your arse whooped because 1 team has 18 people on TS working together vs your rable you can't blame the person who say "fuck this" and changes their banner.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Zerran on February 11, 2012, 07:32:39 am
+1 for removing banner balance all together. Its a complete waste of time and effort.

What we need is a dedicated NA & EU server that uses the battle group system. Have clans set up regular battle group battles and then duke it out. LLJK+CHAOS vs ATS+HATE, stuff like that.

The "public/comunity" servers are no place for clan toting ballony. The "leechers" aren't at fault either it stupid system that gives clans server priority over everyone else. If your on and getting your arse whooped because 1 team has 18 people on TS working together vs your rable you can't blame the person who say "fuck this" and changes their banner.

I disagree with removal of banner balance. It's really fun to group up with some clan mates while playing, and without banner balance that becomes exceedingly difficult. What we need is a limit on how many people can have the same banner and still be on the same team.

For example, let's say the server currently has 100 people on it. Of those, only let's say 20 can have the same banner and still be teamed up together, assuming fewer than 41 people throw on the banner. Once more than 20 have the same banner, it splits them between the 2 teams. The more people that throw on that banner, the more they get split. (These numbers are of course just off the top of my head, and would need revision) Therefore, small clans and just groups of friends who want to group up and play together can still do so very easily, but you can't have a massive horde of people all grouped up with the same banner slaughtering randomers.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: ShinySpoons on February 11, 2012, 08:18:52 am
I think this is in the works already, stating on the crpg website your clan affliation or a group code so that grouping up with friends dosen't rely on banner balance anymore. Would be preferable to limiting banners, and stops unaffliated players from jumping on the bandwagon.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Malaclypse on February 11, 2012, 08:24:16 am
I'm for removing banner balance entirely on the official servers. The official servers should be based on character stats/classes for balance. Leave banner balance to Community or otherwise "independent" servers. I'm all for playing with my bros, but I also like fighting against them; mostly I'd just like balance to take into consideration those who are clanless or otherwise don't care about what their banner is.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Vibe on February 11, 2012, 09:12:51 am
Teutonics, Strangers, Druzhina and GO under one banner on siege. Not that i don't like challenges but this is just fucking retarded. 23 of 35 of them on one team right now.

I don't see the reason why they shouldn't play like that. IN FACT you guys sometimes take up our banner. You have no right to complain.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Nessaj on February 11, 2012, 09:23:33 am
Remove banner balance on public and see servers empty faster than these nay-sayers in bed.

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Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on February 11, 2012, 09:59:20 am
We dont need bnner balance, We need CLAN TAG BALANCE ! 8-)
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Kalp on February 11, 2012, 10:05:27 am
Whatever will be new in siege system, there always be someone who complain...
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on February 11, 2012, 01:20:40 pm
I don't see the reason why they shouldn't play like that. IN FACT you guys sometimes take up our banner. You have no right to complain.

That is like once a month, so shush Vibe :O


Oh, and Kalp, in the last discussion about siege you were the guys complaining, because everybody uses ur banner.  :P
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Camaris on February 11, 2012, 01:33:45 pm
I don't see the reason why they shouldn't play like that. IN FACT you guys sometimes take up our banner. You have no right to complain.

We also did use Fallens banner and fallen also did use our banner on occasion (training etc.)
We raped the server and everybody was totally happy. Sorry Fips. This is nothing we haven“t also done from time to time.

Still i would love to see clan-balance instead of banner-balance. ;) (but i would miss mccart being on my team *g*)
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Thovex on February 11, 2012, 01:45:00 pm
I'm for removing banner balance entirely on the official servers. The official servers should be based on character stats/classes for balance. Leave banner balance to Community or otherwise "independent" servers. I'm all for playing with my bros, but I also like fighting against them; mostly I'd just like balance to take into consideration those who are clanless or otherwise don't care about what their banner is.

This is one way to fuck over clans big time and I'd not come back to ever play cRPG ever anymore.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Bongo Fury on February 11, 2012, 03:06:04 pm
Byzantium does this too. Theres like 10 Byzantiums + 20 randomers with the Byzantium banner on EU_1 on most nights. Stop this madness!

Banner balance needs to be altered, or replaced with a new system.

Solution: Find a way to lock banners to Tags, or someway for clan leaders to reward members with the priviledge to use the banner, ei: no randoms.

I can only talk as someone who has played this game 1+ year unclanned, sometimes clans dominate so much, it gets to the point where you have to make the choice between using a banner or never seeing a multiplier.

There needs to be a change imo, As the game stands there are less and less unclanned players about, i think the feeling of being raped by clans (can't beat them join them) is contributing to less and less "Casual" members, it's more and more uneven now than it ever has been.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Thomek on February 11, 2012, 07:36:40 pm
Clans need a way to protect their autobalance. Should be either pin balance (but hopefully not as pin info will always spread around.) or better, a way for clans to be recognized by the autobalancer. (Controlled by website options)

Could work like this:

"Offical" clans - gets priority 1 (Members need to be invited by clan creators through website)
"Pin balance" - gets priority 2 (Overrides official clans IF typed in)
"Banner Balance" - gets priority 3

The autobalancer would thus know better who to put in a team. Clans would be pretty sure to come in the same team, spontaneus "pin teams" could appear, and friends who occasionally play together could choose normal banner balance. Pin could override official clan IF they are typed in, just in case you don't want to play with your clanmates for some reason.

Apart from the obvious advantages for clanmates, and less powerful banner abuse, pin balance could be so that a leader or a team decides to agree on a pin and so will more likely play together for the evening.

This could create more consistent teams and create new levels of spontaneus teamplay through an evening.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Kalp on February 12, 2012, 10:47:36 am
Quote
Oh, and Kalp, in the last discussion about siege you were the guys complaining, because everybody uses ur banner.  :P

This is true. We are not happy, when randomers use our banner, especially when this divide our members to two teams.

But I don't play cRPG for a month or something around like this, since two last major patches. I don't know how it works now, but if you call it madness, I'm sure they call it innovation  :wink:
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Idzo on February 12, 2012, 11:50:55 am
We need something like battle groups which you can enter if you enter you password!

So, on EU1 and EU2 create battle group under name: Bandits, HRE, Fallen, Massasin etc etc... which you can only enter if you have password and you can't have password if you're not clan member and if boss don't give it to you...

And then balance that groups with rest of randomers...

Removing banner balance would just make things even worse, cause I'm here to play with my clan mates and 95% I'm not balanced or some of my mates... So dear devs, you made game playable again when you removed ladders, time to fix this crap of balance...
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Rebelyell on February 12, 2012, 11:56:07 am
Hey here is solution for evryone!!!!

we need clan system ingame,  somthing like in strat where leaders akcept you to the clan(they can kick you level up in ranks ect)

point in that then last time we have lot abuze about the baner system, using clan tags by kicked members ect.

soo???

make balance based on new system where clan members are geting balance to one team based on clan tag wich you only gain by geting akcep to the clan.

what with randomers or alts who still want play with clan ingame??

solutionis easy to:

alts can be akcepted automaticly to the clan but they have to use tag and obey clan rules.

randomers can use clan baner but balance will not put them in one time or will make that but always after clan tag balance.

That tings can protect us from the masive multi clan siege ataks and other problems what we have atm.


edit:
sorry for not reading all other posts but i fought about that idea from long time

edit2:
thomek have really nice idea to :P
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Bongo Fury on February 12, 2012, 12:21:11 pm
We need something like battle groups which you can enter if you enter you password!

So, on EU1 and EU2 create battle group under name: Bandits, HRE, Fallen, Massasin etc etc... which you can only enter if you have password and you can't have password if you're not clan member and if boss don't give it to you...

And then balance that groups with rest of randomers...

Removing banner balance would just make things even worse, cause I'm here to play with my clan mates and 95% I'm not balanced or some of my mates... So dear devs, you made game playable again when you removed ladders, time to fix this crap of balance...

Clans need to be balanced against clans, NOT clans vs randoms. Big clans also shouldn't be able to share the same battlegroup, otherwise you'll end up in the same position as now.

Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: bonekuukkeli on February 12, 2012, 12:24:41 pm
Just make it so that if one team is dominating a lot (no matter if it's because of banner balance or whatever....) balance would automatically move most of other players in other team. Like... if 30 focused pro players are in one team dominating game, it would put all rest in other team till balance is found.

Quality vs Quantity.

And that would be really fun for those under same banner as well. Fighting against odds.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Stabby_Dave on February 12, 2012, 01:16:33 pm
and tears what i know about the HRE is
1. They got their asses kicked in strat by hospitaller, occitan, and us (and templar? i forgot if they took part in it)
2. i consistantly kill them(in NA but o well yes i know they are EU and have bad ping)
3. If anyone complains about being killed or somethings unfair.... my reply is-Get Better

I remember you from my few months in NA and unless you got a lot better, you suck. Get Better.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Mosquito on February 12, 2012, 09:51:29 pm
Is problem here that ppl are allowed to swap and change their banner each game? stop that and it would eliminate most of these whines? a banner is for life, not just christmas ie it should be same lvl as a name change for adding a clan tag not just a whim.

Why would a MERC or Byzantium clan member ever WANT to change their banner its goddam unpatriotic! (or something) and really should get you kicked out of any selfrespecting clan i would think? what sort of message are you sending out to the community if you would happily drop your colours just to gain a multiplier?

note:MERC & Byzantium just an example of 2 pre-eminent clans on server (EU1) that i play on most, i'm not suggesting that their members do switch banners(also i can almost spell their names)
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Joker86 on February 12, 2012, 10:13:11 pm
Simply create something on the character page that looks like the faction box in Strategus:


- Everyone can create a new faction
- Below this you have the option to join an existing faction. You can choose from a dropdown-list and then click an "apply"-button
- Every faction leader has some basic options for faction maintenance, basically a list with all members and a few buttons next to them, e.g. "accept"/"decline" (for applications), "promote/demote" (for members, to promote them to officers to allo be allowed to accept applications) or "promote to faction leader"/"kick" for some definite decisions  :mrgreen:

- banner balance gets reworked. Every server has five free "slots" (I don't mean real slots increasing server population) per team for clan players. So if two groups of clan players between 2 and 5 players join, each of them will be balanced into one team. As soon as the five slots are exceeded, another pair of five slots opens, and the players get distributed another way, but always trying to place same clans into the same team. But the difference between the teams will never be more than five clan players.

Examples:

(Left column are the clan player slots for team blue, right one is for team red)

A|B
A|B
A|-
A|-
A|-

or

A|B
A|B
A|C
A|C
A|C
----
A|C
A|C
 -|C
 -|-
 -|-

or

A|A
A|A
A|A
A|-
A|-


This way noone can just "leech" on a foreign clan, but simultaneously the need to do so will be lowered, too.

But unless the autobalance itself doesn't get reworked, especially with taking into concern the different classes in the teams, I am strictly against removing banner balance. It would only mean you are stuck forever fighting that absolutely dominating team, unless enough of them disconnect.

Oh and by the way, please add a counter to the character page which counts how many rounds you have won or lost. I am highly interested in the values you get for clanless players and for clan members.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Thovex on February 12, 2012, 10:17:20 pm
We need something like battle groups which you can enter if you enter you password!

So, on EU1 and EU2 create battle group under name: Bandits, HRE, Fallen, Massasin etc etc... which you can only enter if you have password and you can't have password if you're not clan member and if boss don't give it to you...

And then balance that groups with rest of randomers...

Removing banner balance would just make things even worse, cause I'm here to play with my clan mates and 95% I'm not balanced or some of my mates... So dear devs, you made game playable again when you removed ladders, time to fix this crap of balance...

What if I'd give my password to Druzhina and Druzhina enters with us?  :P
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: hippy_with_a_scimi on February 13, 2012, 12:36:41 am
banner balance is a failed experiment that lead to massive pwnage of pubbies  and it will stay that way because people love the multi as opposite of fighting their clan mates

                                         ( i know its so hard fighting good fighters right )
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: McCart on March 26, 2012, 09:43:38 pm
Teutonics, Strangers, Druzhina and GO under one banner on siege. Not that i don't like challenges but this is just fucking retarded. 23 of 35 of them on one team right now.

HRE and greys under the same banner on EU_2 siege..
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 26, 2012, 09:45:15 pm
( i know its so hard fighting good fighters right )

Fallen don't have any good fighters, so we prefer the challenge of all the good players stacked on the other team.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on March 26, 2012, 10:13:58 pm
Okay, i wanted to make a new thread, but thx for bumping this one, McCart =)
I'll just post some screens without any comments:

(click to show/hide)


Oh, before anyone starts it: Ban-Request for Leeching was already made, don't mind with that part of the picture =)
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Renay on March 26, 2012, 11:15:04 pm
Edit: nvm, just saw how old this thread is.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on March 27, 2012, 05:45:37 pm
Srsly? 95% of one team using the same banner and noone cares?

And yesterday night it was the same with HRE and a huge pile of randomers using our banner. Well, it was fun, but nevertheless i would love to see that changed.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Joker86 on March 27, 2012, 06:07:19 pm
Srsly? 95% of one team using the same banner and noone cares?

And yesterday night it was the same with HRE and a huge pile of randomers using our banner. Well, it was fun, but nevertheless i would love to see that changed.

I am also not a fan of banner balance, but aren't the screens actually showing what you want to achieve? If everyone has the same banner, banner balance doesn't work any more  :P
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Renay on March 27, 2012, 10:13:26 pm
There is no solution to this problem, banner balance can't be removed, it would destroy the clans
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on March 27, 2012, 10:23:44 pm
There is no solution to this problem, banner balance can't be removed, it would destroy the clans

Tag-Balance?
Signing up for your clan on the site? (Should be semi-permanent and costs much money to change)
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Joker86 on March 27, 2012, 10:25:47 pm
Actually I don't have problems with clan players playing together. I have a problem with poor team balance, not trying to put the same amount of clan squads in both teams, next to other flaws like ignoring classes while balancing and so on...  :?
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Teeth on March 27, 2012, 11:12:35 pm
Banner balance should get smarter and we need some pin based balance so you can't banner whore anymore. I think it would be cool that if there are 15 Byzantiums on EU_1, that the banner balance is smart enough to just make 50 vs 70 teams or something. Would be awesome.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Joker86 on March 27, 2012, 11:32:17 pm
Banner balance should get smarter and we need some pin based balance so you can't banner whore anymore. I think it would be cool that if there are 15 Byzantiums on EU_1, that the banner balance is smart enough to just make 50 vs 70 teams or something. Would be awesome.

No problem with that. +1
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Erzengel on March 27, 2012, 11:35:02 pm
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While the occasional clan dominating on a server is something I can accept, banner leechers, and multiple clans on the same team, is something I just can't stand.

Seriously, banner-hopping scum are just messing the vulnerable balance even more.
I remember there was talk about a suggestion that would not give banner leechers any benefit. I hope something will happen.

Yeah very intelligent to call clanless people that don't want to get dominated 24/7 by 30+ clanmembers "scum"....  :rolleyes: Perhaps you should atleast play siege once before you start talking bs.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Renay on March 28, 2012, 12:32:07 am
Tag-Balance?
Signing up for your clan on the site? (Should be semi-permanent and costs much money to change)

That would destroy any possibility to play with other players, I for example often play with the byzants and also am on TS with them, same goes for merciless, bandits and some others...
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on March 28, 2012, 12:34:17 am
That would destroy any possibility to play with other players, I for example often play with the byzants and also am on TS with them, same goes for merciless, bandits and some others...
Hm. True. Meh <_<
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on March 28, 2012, 12:42:01 am
olololololololololol das madness!
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Prpavi on March 28, 2012, 01:06:24 am
soviets being soviets....

just leave them there, god bless the siege so they dont come to battle with their bolded moonspeak, ragepolls and all round retardation.

i say siege is fine let it be  :wink:
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on April 20, 2012, 12:13:21 am
*bump*
Now there's sometimes a quadrillion randomers using HRE-banner and leeching the shit out of it. Don't get me wrong, it looks pretty amazing if 90% or more of one team goes yellow, but it get's annoying over the time.

Just want to bring this topic back on top for a couple of days to draw some more attention to that matter. There's gotta be a solution to get only clans and their all-time-followers (Like McCart) to play together and only them without fucking up the balance.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Kalp on April 20, 2012, 01:52:53 pm
Oh poor Fips  :lol: now you feel the same :P
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Fips on April 20, 2012, 02:12:59 pm
Oh poor Fips  :lol: now you feel the same :P
It's still not the same if it's only one clan or many playing together.

I always knew why you guys changed your banner frequently and i didn't really care until you got drz and co. on the boat.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Phazey on April 20, 2012, 02:33:24 pm
It kinda sucks that the banner balance seems to get abused. A solution similar to what Thomek suggested might work.

Personally, i really enjoy having the banner balance. Without it, i have to fight my clan mates all the time, which sucks, because we like to play together, not against each other. So removing it is not an option, if it was up to me.

I hope the devs have the time to work on this. Until they do, i'd like to ask those concerned not to abuse the banner balance. If it's really bad, consider getting an admin to come look. I play battle mode mostly, but i'm always on irc.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: karasu on April 20, 2012, 02:35:59 pm
Solution?

   Mass migrate to EU_5 where only performance matters.

   Then again, it's not like you have a bad time, since most of the day when the server is less populated, you have constant x5 on the HRE banner, like night time, or early morning. Things get a little "balanced" when randoms start using your banner too, times when the opposite team gets a slight chance.

   This is not a e-peen "zomg my clan is so leet, i fart mad skilz" situation, on Siege who uses tactics, and a good part of the team follows, wins. It's only natural if people see some players doing actual tactics and succeeding, to want to join them in victory.

   I guess that with all this, you ironically helped the DRZ/Grey/etc siege alliance to get rid of all the randoms and the weight on their shoulders.  :lol:
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: RandomDude on April 20, 2012, 02:51:50 pm
I like it when there's a shit load of HRE/randomers on one banner and Drz/Grey/Str/T on one banner, and the Antarian banner is on a higher multi.

Makes my day.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: karasu on April 20, 2012, 02:53:31 pm
I like to couch tincans with flamburgers on siege, makes my day.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: RandomDude on April 20, 2012, 03:00:28 pm
I like to couch tincans with flamburgers on siege, makes my day.  :mrgreen:

If there's anything I hate in crpg it's people with longer weapons than mine...
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on April 20, 2012, 03:30:54 pm
Why dont you have to make it so you have to request a banner change, which then gets auto accepted in an hour. This means you gotta take a banner and stick with it, you cant just change banner after you lose one round because that banner may be losing in an hours time.

This way clanmates get to stick together, and the bannerleeching is reduced. It doesnt rid it entirely, and you can still wear the same banner as big clans such as byzant, HRE, mercs GO etc, but none of those clans can keep permanent x5 for too long.

Ofc this doesnt fix the seige problem, but it is only a small measure that will fairly drastically reduce random leeching.
Title: Re: Can somebody pls stop this madness?
Post by: karasu on April 20, 2012, 04:28:22 pm
If there's anything I hate in crpg it's people with longer weapons than mine...

Ohhh you sure know how to make a man blush  :oops: