Going to vouch. Something's off. We did some testing and I recorded it.
Everything shorter than warspear <150 isn't rearing to my knowledge
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vj7unr8OAA
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I back up when thrusting so I don't murder the horse in one shot with speed bonus.
eh?
The Spear can stil rear horses.
I did that all the time when I used it like 1 week ago.
As far as I'm aware, horse rearing is tied directly to the polearm skill, though I could be wrong. Don't see why they would put the effort in to remove it from some weapons. I'll try it later when i'm on.
As far as I'm aware, horse rearing is tied directly to the polearm skill, though I could be wrong. Don't see why they would put the effort in to remove it from some weapons. I'll try it later when i'm on.AFAIK its tied to animation, so every poleram thrust - including 2h scondary mode - rears horses.
AFAIK its tied to animation, so every poleram thrust - including 2h scondary mode - rears horses.
AFAIK its tied to animation, so every poleram thrust - including 2h scondary mode - rears horses.They removed it from a lot of polearms. Now it is only selected polearms that can rear horses. Pikes, halberds and war spear can, but not Long Axe, Spear, shortened spear and the maces and the like. I'd make a list, but not right now.
Shortened spear and flamberge don't rear horses. I haven't tried with the langes either, but I doubt it wouldShortened spear is one of the poelarms that don't rear horses. Flamberge uses 2handed wpf and thus can NEVER rear a horse. The Langes Messer's secondary function is 2handed and thus would never rear a horse.
You can rear horses like rouncey and sumpter, but not destier and heavy horses due to low damage, unless masterwork
if you have 0 wps in spear, it will never rear any horseWrong on BOTH accounts. Stop typing this bullshit constantly. It's annoying and you are spreading false information.
There is NO random chance about horse rearing! No magical roll of the die or anything. If you meet the criteria, you rear the horse.
- You do a stab with a polearm that can rear horse.
- You actually do some damage.
- You hit the head of the horse (part of the neck works too, even from the side)
They removed it from a lot of polearms. Now it is only selected polearms that can rear horses. Pikes, halberds and war spear can, but not Long Axe, Spear, shortened spear and the maces and the like. I'd make a list, but not right now.
Let me help you. List of polearms that had their rearing ability changed from Native:
Let me help you. List of polearms that had their rearing ability changed from Native:
I didn't think this was true
Let me rephrase. List of polearms that don't rear horses:
Let me rephrase. List of polearms that don't rear horses:Ok. Then I take back what I said earlier and ask why some polearms sometimes don't rear horses even if you stab and hit the head.
@cmpx: Is your rephrasing suggesting that all polearms in cRPG have the ability to rear ponies? I'm sorry, your responses are kind of short so I'm not exactly sure if there's a subtext I'm not understanding.Please upload the video. Would be nice if you edited it, but if that's a problem then just upload it raw.
Just tested this on NA_3 with a friend who was kind enough to help. We managed to get some decent quality fraps with a few jitters of successful rear with War Spear, and failure to rear with Spear and Shortened Spear. They're pretty big files and would take some cutting of unneeded footage (it's my first time ever using a video recording program on a PC so I wasn't even really sure it was recording properly), but I could do it and upload it to Youtube or something if there's an interest. I've been playing Warband since it was released and I like to think I understand how to rear ponies and can do it reliably on War Spear, Pike, as well as with Spear in Native.
@cmpx: Is your rephrasing suggesting that all polearms in cRPG have the ability to rear ponies? I'm sorry, your responses are kind of short so I'm not exactly sure if there's a subtext I'm not understanding.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. I can even give you more details; in order for a horse to be reared, the following must be true:
- the attacker must be unmounted
- the attack must be a thrust
- the attacker's weapon must be of type polearm
- the receiving horse must have a forward speed of at least 4 m/s
- the attacker must be in the front of the horse (120º cone starting from the horse's "center")
- the priority of the animation being currently played by the horse must be less than 74 (riding has a priority of 0, jumping has a priority of 2, etc...)
If all of the above are true, the horse will rear.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. I can even give you more details; in order for a horse to be reared, the following must be true:That list is going STRAIGHT to the wiki! You really ought to give these lists a bit more often :D Thanks!
- the attacker must be unmounted
- the attack must be a thrust
- the attacker's weapon must be of type polearm
- the receiving horse must have a forward speed of at least 4 m/s
- the attacker must be in the front of the horse (120º cone starting from the horse's "center")
- the priority of the animation being currently played by the horse must be less than 74 (riding has a priority of 0, jumping has a priority of 2, etc...)
If all of the above are true, the horse will rear.
spears shouldn't rear horses like warhorse due to low damage, i have alot of riding so my horse become much stronger
spears shouldn't rear horses like warhorse due to low damage, i have alot of riding so my horse become much stronger
In the video it looks like you get hit by the horse before you can hit the horse. So maybe the spear is just too short. That would explain why you could rear the horse when its slower.
Its also about timing probably. During the first part of the thrusting animation you wont do any damage. It sometimes happens to me with long spear when I release the thrust too late. The long spear goes half into the horse without doing anything and I get hit by the horse/the lance of the rider. Its only working after like 2/3 of the animation.
During the first part of the thrusting animation you wont do any damage.
Malaclypse's sweet sweet voice
Quit whinninig.
As a Cavalry player I noticed a change quite awhile ago about rearing, I forget which patch it was but after a certain patch my horse stopped getting reared by halfsworded 2handers and the shorter polearms, for example Goretooth used to be pretty good at rearing horses with his short Bec de Corbin, now I have multiple times seen him stab horses with it to no avail.10 ps and a piece hitting a horse and it just keeps going that makes sense.....
As a Cavalry player I noticed a change quite awhile ago about rearing, I forget which patch it was but after a certain patch my horse stopped getting reared by halfsworded 2handers and the shorter polearms, for example Goretooth used to be pretty good at rearing horses with his short Bec de Corbin, now I have multiple times seen him stab horses with it to no avail.I was also a cav player when this was "introduced" (bug or whatever it is). A lot of the shorter weapons stopped rearing my horse. I also remember doing some tests with a clanmate of mine. Some of the polearms didn't rear my horse then. Now we have seen videos of people not rearing the horse whent hey stab them with certain polearms. What we need to really confirm this is to do the same tests, but from the viewpoint of the horseman so we can keep an eye on the horses health. Then we can confirm if it actually DOES take damage.
What we need to really confirm this is to do the same tests, but from the viewpoint of the horseman so we can keep an eye on the horses health. Then we can confirm if it actually DOES take damage.
I think Marathon recorded some from his angle on horseback, too, but I'm not sure if he deleted those after compiling before or what. I'd say just from looks (blood appearing) the horse was taking damage, though. I think we also got some stuff of the Military Fork (the 1 slot fork) not rearing.I deleted them because it looks better from the footman's point of view.
Found why this happens.http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=Polearms#Horse_rearing
In 1.143 they changed it a bit, weapons need to be more than 140 long and deal pierce damage, and horse speed needs to be 3m/s instead of 4m/s. Didn't spot it before because I was working with 1.134 code.
Although that means it shouldn't rear in Native either. :|
Found why this happens.Maybe the Native server I tested it on wasn't updated fully or something.
In 1.143 they changed it a bit, weapons need to be more than 140 long and deal pierce damage, and horse speed needs to be 3m/s instead of 4m/s. Didn't spot it before because I was working with 1.134 code.
Although that means it shouldn't rear in Native either. :|