Give Spear back horse-rearing ability

[Malaclypse]

spears shouldn't rear horses like warhorse due to low damage, i have alot of riding so my horse become much stronger

Spear has higher pierce damage than Trident/Pitchfork, which I believe rear ponies; aside from that damage is more determined by Power Strike, so I could do more damage with Spear than someone else does with Pike, it's all relative- consider also that in most cases there will be even more increased damage due to the speed bonus applied; not that damage matters as a determinant of rearing, right? Also I don't think Riding skill makes your horse more hardy, but I guess I don't really know.

[Zerran]

spears shouldn't rear horses like warhorse due to low damage, i have alot of riding so my horse become much stronger

This post makes no sense.

Spears have some very nice pierce damage, please check stats before posting. Also, riding doesn't give your horse armor.

[dodnet]

In the video it looks like you get hit by the horse before you can hit the horse. So maybe the spear is just too short. That would explain why you could rear the horse when its slower.

Its also about timing probably. During the first part of the thrusting animation you wont do any damage. It sometimes happens to me with long spear when I release the thrust too late. The long spear goes half into the horse without doing anything and I get hit by the horse/the lance of the rider. Its only working after like 2/3 of the animation.

[Voso]

In the video it looks like you get hit by the horse before you can hit the horse. So maybe the spear is just too short. That would explain why you could rear the horse when its slower.

Its also about timing probably. During the first part of the thrusting animation you wont do any damage. It sometimes happens to me with long spear when I release the thrust too late. The long spear goes half into the horse without doing anything and I get hit by the horse/the lance of the rider. Its only working after like 2/3 of the animation.

Yeah, I agree with dodnet. It looks like you aren't stabbing fast enough. If the animation was further along it may work. Of course this would be way easier with the war spear and various other polearms with longer reach.

Your timing just looks off.

[Malaclypse]

During the first part of the thrusting animation you wont do any damage.

If you pay attention the video, I know it's poor quality, you can plainly see blood appear on the horse and weapon, indicating a successful hit of the horse, though I am ran over immediately thereafter. The easiest time to see it is after the first rearing attempt when I put it on my back, it has very obviously been bloodied. In the second attempt you see me pick up a clean Spear, which is then bloodied after the attempt, as well, indicating a hit. Brunchlady and I just made some more, including tests in Native (which worked), which will hopefully be of better quality since he knows what he's doing in terms of working with videos.

[Cyclopsided]

Going to vouch. Something's off. We did some testing and I recorded it.
Everything shorter than warspear  <150 isn't rearing to my knowledge
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vj7unr8OAA
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I back up when thrusting so I don't murder the horse in one shot with speed bonus.

[Malaclypse]

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Thanks again for the help man! Also, careful with the video, it's easy to miss that the first test- the succesful rear- was on Native, while the others (in the rain) are on cRPG.

[n445]

war spears and spears already OP with the massive stun they do. No need to buff it and add another thing. Quit whinninig.

[zagibu]

Quit whinninig.

Look at that, you almost got it right by mistake, this thread is indeed about whinnying.

[BADPLAYERold]

As a Cavalry player I noticed a change quite awhile ago about rearing, I forget which patch it was but after a certain patch my horse stopped getting reared by halfsworded 2handers and the shorter polearms, for example Goretooth used to be pretty good at rearing horses with his short Bec de Corbin, now I have multiple times seen him stab horses with it to no avail.

[Froto_the_Loc]

"Buff my weapon because I use it!"

I would think most all stab oriented weapons would have rear, and the swing-y ones not.
It is a bit  frail looking though, I think a plated charger would have no trouble making it explode in your hands.

[Uumdi]

Yeah, its not about rallying for the weapon you use, spearmen are anti cav more than anti infantry.

I can understand maybe... not rearing armored horses I suppose.

[Goretooth]

As a Cavalry player I noticed a change quite awhile ago about rearing, I forget which patch it was but after a certain patch my horse stopped getting reared by halfsworded 2handers and the shorter polearms, for example Goretooth used to be pretty good at rearing horses with his short Bec de Corbin, now I have multiple times seen him stab horses with it to no avail.

10 ps and a piece hitting a horse and it just keeps going that makes sense.....

[Jarlek]

As a Cavalry player I noticed a change quite awhile ago about rearing, I forget which patch it was but after a certain patch my horse stopped getting reared by halfsworded 2handers and the shorter polearms, for example Goretooth used to be pretty good at rearing horses with his short Bec de Corbin, now I have multiple times seen him stab horses with it to no avail.

I was also a cav player when this was "introduced" (bug or whatever it is). A lot of the shorter weapons stopped rearing my horse. I also remember doing some tests with a clanmate of mine. Some of the polearms didn't rear my horse then. Now we have seen videos of people not rearing the horse whent hey stab them with certain polearms. What we need to really confirm this is to do the same tests, but from the viewpoint of the horseman so we can keep an eye on the horses health. Then we can confirm if it actually DOES take damage.

PS: it's a LONG time since I was cav, so this isn't really something new :/

[Malaclypse]

What we need to really confirm this is to do the same tests, but from the viewpoint of the horseman so we can keep an eye on the horses health. Then we can confirm if it actually DOES take damage.

I think Marathon recorded some from his angle on horseback, too, but I'm not sure if he deleted those after compiling before or what. I'd say just from looks (blood appearing) the horse was taking damage, though. I think we also got some stuff of the Military Fork (the 1 slot fork) not rearing.