Give Spear back horse-rearing ability

[Malaclypse]

The Spear, a 135 reach little dynamo that people rarely use, which might be in part because of it's lack of rearing ability. I for one would like to see that ability reinstated for this fairly underwhelming weapon. If not in full, then at least while using the spear in hoplite mode with a shield. The additional range for holding the Spear in this way makes it longer than the War Spear without a shield, and that can rear ponies fine and dandy, no shield needed.

Marathon's contribution on page 3:

 

Going to vouch. Something's off. We did some testing and I recorded it.
Everything shorter than warspear  <150 isn't rearing to my knowledge
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vj7unr8OAA
Malaclypse's sweet sweet voice

I back up when thrusting so I don't murder the horse in one shot with speed bonus.

[Vexus]

Not only that, it should be made 1 slot too as currently why should you use it over the red tassel?

[B3RS3RK]

eh?

The Spear can stil rear horses.

I did that all the time when I used it like 1 week ago.

[Overdriven]

eh?

The Spear can stil rear horses.

I did that all the time when I used it like 1 week ago.

Really? Because the war spear can't...wouldn't make sense for the spear to be able to. At least not when I use it. That's why I have the ashwood pike if I'm in a horse killing mood.

[Malaclypse]

I haven't reared a single horse with the regular Spear, even multiple times when I tested it with people in teamspeak. Feels bad man. I guess I don't know exactly what determines horse rear, if riding skill has to do with it, but I've landed what should be successful rears against everything from Sumpter to Charger only to be trampled underhoove.

[_Tak_]

You can rear horses like rouncey and sumpter, but not destier and heavy horses due to low damage, unless masterwork

[Malaclypse]

I have a +3 Spear right now, and it hasn't reared a single horseeee. Just tried it on three separate rouncey's, perfect head on attacks and they plowed through me. If it's supposed to work on lower tier horses it isn't working. This is with 7 Powerstrike if that makes a difference at all.

[Zerran]

As far as I'm aware, horse rearing is tied directly to the polearm skill, though I could be wrong. Don't see why they would put the effort in to remove it from some weapons. I'll try it later when i'm on.

[_Tak_]

As far as I'm aware, horse rearing is tied directly to the polearm skill, though I could be wrong. Don't see why they would put the effort in to remove it from some weapons. I'll try it later when i'm on.

if you have 0 wps in spear, it will never rear any horse

[Mala]

Hmm, back then on the battle server i have used warspear and spear as backup (so low wpf) and it worked quite well against horses.

[Malaclypse]

Yeah, War Spear rears fine with base WPF, no weapon master. Have 107 prof in polearms with the Spear, with only 4 point loss from armor according to the calculator. There was a really old post I necrobumped where NH_Diggles was talking about how frustrated a clan mate of his was, not being able to rear with the Spear, this was months ago.

I'd say as an alternative to adding it back, make the Spear 1 slot. Unless the problem actually is my proficiency, and I need WM to actually utilize the effect, which would be strange considering I can use a pike with no prof and rear all day.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

As far as I'm aware, horse rearing is tied directly to the polearm skill, though I could be wrong. Don't see why they would put the effort in to remove it from some weapons. I'll try it later when i'm on.

AFAIK its tied to animation, so every poleram thrust - including 2h scondary mode - rears horses.

[Wraist]

AFAIK its tied to animation, so every poleram thrust - including 2h scondary mode - rears horses.

Shortened spear and flamberge don't rear horses. I haven't tried with the langes either, but I doubt it would

[Memento_Mori]

afaik devs did a ninja nerf on some of the pole arms to stop them from rearing horsies, people complained about being reared by a long maul (and other silliness that doesn't seem like a huge deal.) Could be possible they ninja nerfed the spear as well on accident?

[Jarlek]

AFAIK its tied to animation, so every poleram thrust - including 2h scondary mode - rears horses.

They removed it from a lot of polearms. Now it is only selected polearms that can rear horses. Pikes, halberds and war spear can, but not Long Axe, Spear, shortened spear and the maces and the like. I'd make a list, but not right now.

Shortened spear and flamberge don't rear horses. I haven't tried with the langes either, but I doubt it would

Shortened spear is one of the poelarms that don't rear horses. Flamberge uses 2handed wpf and thus can NEVER rear a horse. The Langes Messer's secondary function is 2handed and thus would never rear a horse.

You can rear horses like rouncey and sumpter, but not destier and heavy horses due to low damage, unless masterwork

if you have 0 wps in spear, it will never rear any horse

Wrong on BOTH accounts. Stop typing this bullshit constantly. It's annoying and you are spreading false information.

As I posted somewhere else,you rear a horse if you meet the following criteria.

• You do a stab with a polearm that can rear horse.
• You actually do some damage.
• You hit the head of the horse (part of the neck works too, even from the side)

There is NO random chance about horse rearing! No magical roll of the die or anything. If you meet the criteria, you rear the horse.

All weapons that can rear horses are using Polearm wpf. This also includes the secondary function of some 2handed weapons. I haven't tested the secondary function rearing ability since the latest patches, but most of them did when I last checked.