I agree with you Overdriven. HA is really OP class, please nerf!
Well, horse archers were nerfed without really deserving it, just like throwers and crossbowmen. :(
Tell The Duke of Disco BEATS that HA is underpowered, because the dude didn't get the memo.
fml, its extremely frustrating to put 12 arrows into a 2h with high end mail armor and then a lancer gets him with a single pass -.-No matter what horse i use Rouncey,Palfrey,courser,Destrier all the horses die from 1-3 shots destrier maybe 2-5 , and i got 6 IF average body armor i use is 40-50 and i still get 2 shotted and you still whine!#¤%( :mad:
and same goes with lancers,5-8 arrows to take one out while they can take us out easily with a single pass, has are just annoying flies to everybody now.
Well, horse archers were nerfed without really deserving it, just like throwers andI do think a small damage nerf on xbows was/would have been justified. Especially concerning heirloomed +3 bolts + +3 xbow.crossbowmen. :(
No matter what horse i use Rouncey,Palfrey,courser,Destrier all the horses die from 1-3 shots destrier maybe 2-5 , and i got 6 IF average body armor i use is 40-50 and i still get 2 shotted and you still whine!#¤%( :mad:
In my gen of HA i was able to hold an 3:1 kdr so i dont think there nerfed that bad( this was after the patch)
Now instead of just keep shooting at thatt one lonely 2hander just put one shot at him and then switch targets this way by switching you wil get way more hits and at unaware targets getting hs is pretty easy.
No matter what horse i use Rouncey,Palfrey,courser,Destrier all the horses die from 1-3 shots destrier maybe 2-5 , and i got 6 IF average body armor i use is 40-50 and i still get 2 shotted and you still whine!#¤%( :mad:
Well overdriven i dont see the problem then, as an HA i noticed my destrier was an tank and wasn''t going down by archers easily,and i make the lancers or 1h cav chase me i hs there horse which is easy if there chasing you.
And than i put one shot in them when down and il move to another target, but im gonna have to agree it sometimes took way to many shots to kill an 2h in kuyak.
Destrier isn't meant to be a tank. It's still a light horse regardless. All I can say is if it takes so many arrows to take down a destrier, I don't want to see how many it takes to take down armoured horses as it was already bad. And most lancers don't chase you unless they are incredibly stupid or there's more than one. You have to chase them.Were fighting differant people i think, on eu1 all lancers and 1h cav chase me lol.
Were fighting differant people i think, on eu1 all lancers and 1h cav chase me lol.
Were fighting differant people i think, on eu1 all lancers and 1h cav chase me lol.
I don't think most people have any sympathy for the HA cause because you are by far and away the cheapest class in C-RPG. You're not an easy class to play, but you're the least likeable. Having played HA, I felt dirty. You combine the worst aspects of archers and the worst aspects of cavalry. You're seen as the vultures of the battlefield, there's not a class you don't annoy including on your team.
You'll find this is mostly true for a large portion of HA (Not all!):
- You're the guys who rush over to the enemy spawn to get a free kill (along with other kill hungry cavalry).
- You'll go after the peasants more than anything because of their lack of armour, picking on the weakest of the weak as bad as some of the kill-whoring lancers. Anything for a kill!
- You'll mass horse bump with impunity. Relentlessly if you can followed by an arrow to the back at close range while the poor guy is down.
- You'll ride up super close and shot gun people, noob-xbower style.
- You'll happily pick on people and kite them around all day like they're your personal target and plaything.
- You'll piss off all the other cav with a fast enough horse running around untouchable, never having to actually get into melee range of them.
- You'll invariably be the last guy alive valour leeching and pissing off your team as you ride around neigh on untouchable.
- You're firing into packs of infantry and will hit your team mates a lot more because of your movement. Stunning and pissing off team mates and enemies who are invariably outnumbered while they try to fight.
- You'll bump through packs of infantry when you're able to knocking over team mate and enemy alike desperate to get a kill as much as the worst cav offenders.
People look at normal cavalry and and go: "well, as annoying as they are... At least they use a melee weapon and have to get into range. They also have to run a gauntlette of throwers, polearms, 2 handers, xbows and archers" (Ha only "has" to deal with archers / xbowers).
People look at normal archers / cavalry and they go "well, annoying as they are... At least it's harder to run away for them, even the highest AGI archer can't run forever even if you're out of ranged. And if they do get into melee and they're high AGI they're down in a few hits."
That's not to say the life of a HA is an easy one, life is hard (It is for some other classes too). But you can get away the easiest. And in some ways, perhaps that "life is hard" aspect is what makes things worse. Because HA have a chip on their shoulder, they feel bitter that they can't get kills super easy and start hating everyone else. Which means they're more likely to do things off that list of dickish moves I posted above far more often and feel justified. :wink:
I don't think most people have any sympathy for the HA cause because you are by far and away the cheapest class in C-RPG.Mmm yea right. That's why I made 20k gold in one generation playing as a HA. Also same as a foot archer in one gen.
Mmm yea right. That's why I made 20k gold in one generation playing as a HA. Also same as a foot archer in one gen.
Some people maybe don't just understand that arrows break more often and so playing as a HA (or foot archer) will be much more costly then playing as a medium armored 2H / 1H+Shield when you can make 200k+. Just pointing this fact.
And yes nerf on archers (and xbows) was little bit over the top.
After dueling with OD on EU_1 for a while I truly understand that HA are in a REALLY bad spot, they gotta use tons of arrows to kill someone, got little to no accuracy (infantry will be un-headshotable if they try a magic thing called dodging).
While throwing also needs to be unnerfed I'm sorry to admit that HAs are worse off than me... :( guess I better stop spamming "fix throwing"... and start spamming "fix on horse-ranged (luckely I also apply here)".
Currently HA are still good when working together and can rack up the kills. But on their own they are useless against cavalry (lack of damage to horses), can't get the headshots needed for the extra damage on inf except for luck (lack of accuracy) and a horse charge does more damage than a body shot from a horn bow (may as well just use my courser as my main weapon).
GASP! So you might actually have to use teamwork to be successful instead of being Rambo! I shudder to think of that kind of world.
Kafein would disagree :wink: But you were wearing much better armour and helmet than he was. But you also demonstrated how bad throwing is. I was wearing Kazakh armour and you still barely damaged me :lol:wow... wth?.. ofcourse I KNOW THE REASON FOR THAT, and how to take 90% of your health in a throw, even know how to block a players view of his weapon using a throwing lance but that's another story... yet I'm surprised I did that little, how little? odd since I took 80% off an archer in one throw before him and the two other rangeds facing me massacred me.
Missed the point evidently...
wow... wth?.. ofcourse I KNOW THE REASON FOR THAT, and how to take 90% of your health in a throw, even know how to block a players view of his weapon using a throwing lance but that's another story... yet I'm surprised I did that little, how little? odd since I took 80% off an archer in one throw before him and the two other rangeds facing me massacred me.
Also: (my new official spam message) Fix the fucking horse-ranged-and-ground-throwing-and-maybe-even-xbowing you sons of bitches! expect that to be randomly spammed everywhere.
could say the same to you
look at what i quoted
he admits that when working cooperatively with teammates he can still perform well
as a lancer cav i hate dealing with horse archers
yes they probably wont kill me or my horse unless we've taken significant damage already
but they stun me with hits when im about to kill someone, saving lives and giving their teammates a chance to hit me
they are a damn good support role and this sounds like a complaint that they arent out there getting massive kill scores
GASP! So you might actually have to use teamwork to be successful instead of being Rambo! I shudder to think of that kind of world.Hey, eh, guy, ya' know, every class should be able to beat a single player from another class if working together, (still got nightmares of 8 or so GK's circling me while bumping and stabbing) but they should also be allowed to function on their own... oh wait, that's only for infantry, and how much do you wanna bet that once you see ten HAs riding together (luckily this will never happen) bump-shooting you to death you're gonna wish they stayed alone while fighting.
Some hits only did 40%. Which is bad considering my 17 body armour. Even worse was looking at how many it took you to take out my courser!Yeah the courser thing really shocked me, but I know the reason for it, on other times your courser fell in one or two hits... I know how throwing works, it's all about timing, not aiming.
fml, its extremely frustrating to put 12 arrows into a 2h with high end mail armor and then a lancer gets him with a single pass -.-
and same goes with lancers,5-8 arrows to take one out while they can take us out easily with a single pass, has are just annoying flies to everybody now.
Kafein would disagree :wink: But you were wearing much better armour and helmet than he was. But you also demonstrated how bad throwing is. I was wearing Kazakh armour and you still barely damaged me :lol:
You kill my horse with exaclty 4 body shots... Not 5-8.
I devised a new secret technique of ancient 1h cav to fight against HA. But I'm not revealing anything, and I don't think you would either xD Interesting duels indeed. I think we ended up being pretty even, but you weren't aiming at my horse, and I got a shield so it doesn't really count. HA against light cav seems ok to me currently, and probably underpowered. I think it's a good idea to buff the HA skill (less agi needed ?) and the Yumi, that one really deserves some love. Faster paced horse archery isn't goign to hurt anyone. But the damage should stay the same.
But what I would really like to see nerfed, though, is the bumpshots. HA are able to "aimlock" shielded infantry, forcing them to keep the shield up, while simultaneously go and bump them. There's virtually no defense against that, no matter what type of infantry you are, even hoplites, that are logically protected against the two threats, can't do anything.
Finally, when you count hits, don't forget that I usually had to hit you twice with my sword to kill you, given I had very little speed bonus when chasing you.
Hey, eh, guy, ya' know, every class should be able to beat a single player from another class if working together, (still got nightmares of 8 or so GK's circling me while bumping and stabbing) but they should also be allowed to function on their own... oh wait, that's only for infantry, and how much do you wanna bet that once you see ten HAs riding together (luckily this will never happen) bump-shooting you to death you're gonna wish they stayed alone while fighting.Damn, qouted me instead of modifying, sry.
Yeah the courser thing really shocked me, but I know the reason for it, on other times your courser fell in one or two hits... I know how throwing works, it's all about timing, not aiming... also, since it's pierce dmg I don't think your armor matters AS much.
You kill my horse with exaclty 4 body shots... Not 5-8.
I devised a new secret technique of ancient 1h cav to fight against HA. But I'm not revealing anything, and I don't think you would either xD Interesting duels indeed. I think we ended up being pretty even, but you weren't aiming at my horse, and I got a shield so it doesn't really count. HA against light cav seems ok to me currently, and probably underpowered. I think it's a good idea to buff the HA skill (less agi needed ?) and the Yumi, that one really deserves some love. Faster paced horse archery isn't goign to hurt anyone. But the damage should stay the same.
But what I would really like to see nerfed, though, is the bumpshots. HA are able to "aimlock" shielded infantry, forcing them to keep the shield up, while simultaneously go and bump them. There's virtually no defense against that, no matter what type of infantry you are, even hoplites, that are logically protected against the two threats, can't do anything.
Finally, when you count hits, don't forget that I usually had to hit you twice with my sword to kill you, given I had very little speed bonus when chasing you.
Bout horsebump. Man do you even see how many times people just jump 5 meters in the air and cut my head off when i try that? Also if I do an intentional bump and try to get a shot, it takes me longer to draw the bow than the bumped guy to get back on his legs and get moving destroying my chance, so it only works with 5PD, and if I hold my shot.. for longer than 1-1,5sec my accuracy is so bad that hitting the target is based on pure luck then. This will only work against 2handers with a shield and no other weapons.
I forgot about that. Again the only way for an HA to avoid being slashed like that with a bump is to get the shot off and stun the person. Bloody difficult though.
I forgot about that. Again the only way for an HA to avoid being slashed like that with a bump is to get the shot off and stun the person. Bloody difficult though.
What horse are talking about here?(no offense, but there are so many fucking cavs everywhere nowadays that I cant memorize the players/horses so well) Also back then I had 145ish wpf 5PD, now I have 6PD 160 wpf, even now I rarely bother shooting coursers/destriers to body, waste of arrows, but if its an arabian or rouncey ill gladly kill it.
Lancer you weren't quite so good. But I know for example, Kerrigan and Maganda can outsmart me every time and 1shot me with their lances/champ arabians if I get into a fight with them.
The thing with HA is they can absolutely not be overpowered, cuz then everybody would play as one. They might be slightly underpowered now but not much... Its the most annoying class to have as an enemy. The advantages of riding and shooting from range is a helluva advantage id say. You cant have every cookie in the bowl and eat them by yourself.