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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Kay of Sauvage on November 07, 2011, 09:06:02 pm
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I'm really tired of the guys running around on plated chargers and wearing plate armor round after round because they exploit the 1st gen free upkeep feature meant for newbies. Why is this still in place?
Real newbies don't even have expensive equipment so how much does free upkeep help them? At least lower the maximum level that it is available for, like up to level 15 or so. Then with enough strength to wear plate won't have the agility to be riding a charger as well.
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Let them receive first 100k without upkeep.
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Let them receive first 100k without upkeep.
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I'm really tired of the guys running around on plated chargers and wearing plate armor round after round because they exploit the 1st gen free upkeep feature meant for newbies. Why is this still in place?
Real newbies don't even have expensive equipment so how much does free upkeep help them? At least lower the maximum level that it is available for, like up to level 15 or so. Then with enough strength to wear plate won't have the agility to be riding a charger as well.
Plate charger, plate armor and weapons without looms or enough skill points are very effectiv (irony off) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I have another great idea remove all loom points for 5 days lets see what happens .. all 24/7 loom exploiters with no real life are nearly real life suicde :shock: :shock:
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Plate charger, plate armor and weapons without looms or enough skill points are very effectiv (irony off) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I have another great idea remove all loom points for 5 days lets see what happens .. all 24/7 loom exploiters with no real life are nearly real life suicde haha
Nay, return the peasant wars, as the great 6 hour one of september so long ago - good fun!
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I'm really tired of the guys running around on plated chargers and wearing plate armor round after round because they exploit the 1st gen free upkeep feature meant for newbies. Why is this still in place?
Real newbies don't even have expensive equipment so how much does free upkeep help them? At least lower the maximum level that it is available for, like up to level 15 or so. Then with enough strength to wear plate won't have the agility to be riding a charger as well.
Agreed, why not just let them not have to pay upkeep until they get to level 26 OR until they respec for the first time.
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Plate charger, plate armor and weapons without looms or enough skill points are very effectiv (irony off)
level:25
15
21
convert:12
ps:5
shield:2
Riding:7
polearm:101
heavy plate armor, mail mittens + 15 strength gives you 82 hp despite having no IF. Seems like a fine cav build. Since you aren't paying upkeep, every once in a while you can take it up to lvl 30 since you will have a lot of money.
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heavy plate armor, mail mittens + 15 strength gives you 82 hp despite having no IF.
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35 + 15 = 50, not 85. You don't get any bonus health from armour...
Still. Annoying abuse is annoying. They said they are gonna do something about it, so just wait for them to finish it up.
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35 + 15 = 50, not 85. You don't get any bonus health from armour...
Still. Annoying abuse is annoying. They said they are gonna do something about it, so just wait for them to finish it up.
Fair enough 50 hp and 67 armor.
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Fair enough 50 hp and 67 armor.
Still op for a no upkeeper, so you are completely right. It's just not as OP as a 82 hp no upkeep-er xD
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Agreed, why not just let them not have to pay upkeep until they get to level 26 OR until they respec for the first time.
This, simple.
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They already said they will change this.
December 2010
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level:25
15
21
convert:12
ps:5
shield:2
Riding:7
polearm:101
heavy plate armor, mail mittens + 15 strength gives you 82 hp despite having no IF. Seems like a fine cav build. Since you aren't paying upkeep, every once in a while you can take it up to lvl 30 since you will have a lot of money.
Nah, What a sense to retire if you have inexhaustible source of gold? Be a tincan, ride a tank and receive all possible money. Just respec from time to time. Don't you understand, that's one of the sources of cRPG Inflation? Big hole in balance, big danger for game economics. This people can buy any loom after 12 days of gameplay.
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Nah, What a sense to retire if you have inexhaustible source of gold? Be a tincan, ride a tank and receive all possible money. Just respec from time to time. Don't you understand, that's one of the sources of cRPG Inflation? Big hole in balance, big danger for game economics. This people can buy any loom after 12 days of gameplay.
Yeah i guess that they could buy heirlooms as fast as other people can do it by retiring.
I dont know if it really are those people who are responsible for the big inflation in market but
someone has to look how much money those people pump into crpg.
People are already paying up to 500k for a heirloompoint.
Either its this, or another exploit giving huge amounts of money, or some more money sinks have to be done.
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As soon as you press respec you loose the free upkeep.
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I don't think the inflation is that high.
The price of heirloom points is going up at crazy speeds because :
1° many people stopped retiring thinking they would buy their looms
2° those that still retire usually don't sell their loom points, they have better things to do with them (looming armor being the current hype)
High demand, low offer, high prices
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What free upkeep for first gen?
I have to pay everything and I have always had to pay everything...
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level:25
15
21
convert:12
ps:5
shield:2
Riding:7
polearm:101
heavy plate armor, mail mittens + 15 strength gives you 82 hp despite having no IF. Seems like a fine cav build. Since you aren't paying upkeep, every once in a while you can take it up to lvl 30 since you will have a lot of money.
lots theory ....
plz show me one eu1 top score level 25 plate charger player, just a pic ....1 ...fucking pic...
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lots theory ....
plz show me one eu1 top score level 25 plate charger player, just a pic ....1 ...fucking pic...
It works just fine why else would people do it??
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lots theory ....
plz show me one eu1 top score level 25 plate charger player, just a pic ....1 ...fucking pic...
Yeah, cause it really is for topping the scoreboard instead of farming gold, upkeep free, while using plate armour and plated charger :rolleyes:
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lots theory ....
plz show me one eu1 top score level 25 plate charger player, just a pic ....1 ...fucking pic...
Can't because I didn't take SS but that guy, The_Rock was first couple of times.
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The way it works currently is more or less fine. Free upkeep until you hit 26 or 27 or whatever is ok, but the moment you hit the respec button you should start to pay upkeep.
That way it would be some protection against all the exploiting.
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Can't because I didn't take SS but that guy, The_Rock was first couple of times.
Gotcha! :rolleyes: :oops:
... 14 mounts heavy 1h cav experience.|I can do the same ..with a rouncey or desert horse but the fucking lame grinding to level 30 + is a good for schoolboys or nonworkers not for people with real life. I see a lot of guys with plate charger under 25 but most of them (97 %) are funny victims. Riding a slow plate charger with plate armor under lvl 25 make your female char sexy , no more, no less .Ok a couple of archer noobs shit in her pants when they spot a mainbattle tank ;) thats fine, but the level 25 main battle tank is far away from "ultimative killing machine" state . The easy plate charger bump killing days are over since 1 year.
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Gotcha! :rolleyes: :oops:
... 14 mounts heavy 1h cav experience.|I can do the same ..with a rouncey or desert horse but the fucking lame grinding to level 30 + is a good for schoolboys or nonworkers not for people with real life. I see a lot of guys with plate charger under 25 but most of them (97 %) are funny victims. Riding a slow plate charger with plate armor under lvl 25 make your female char sexy , no more, no less .Ok a couple of archer noobs shit in her pants when they spot a mainbattle tank ;) thats fine, but the level 25 main battle tank is far away from "ultimative killing machine" state . The easy plate charger bump killing days are over since 1 year.
Stop talking out of your ass.
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Stop talking out of your ass.
That's his shoulder and pecs!
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something needs to be done because currently on NA battle server there are more heavy cav than light.
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something needs to be done because currently on NA battle server there are more heavy cav than light.
But its fun lancing these idiots
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What free upkeep for first gen?
I have to pay everything and I have always had to pay everything...
You started playing quite a while before they added that MaHud, you just level so damn slow :wink:
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One thing everybody should consider is that the only disadvantage in not getting higher then lvl26 is that you lack xp-bonus later.
If someone who is abusing the lvl26-freeupkeep is playing as long as a generation one needs until retirement he will have earned 435000 Gold.
So instead of heirlooming his gear he is able to buy it probably at the same time then those people who retire.
But instead of having to play with lower gear he is able to wear whatever armor or horse he wants.
I have following idea:
- if you declare a char as your mainchar you lose free upkeep.
=> Free upkeeppeople aren´t able to use market then
If they ever decide to get heirlooms then they will have to pay upkeep for them
=> no full heirloomed / no upkeep chars
And another thing why this is abuse i will tell it cause im sure some are already abusing it that way:
Create 2nd account with new warband-key -> Play with full milanese and plated charger all the time
-> buy gear for a lot of money from your main-char
Profit:
=> You can play with full gear and plated charger all the time
=> Your main which has to pay upkeep gets incredible rich and can buy heirlooms easy even if he doesnt retire anymore
So Devs im not going to retire anymore in the near future... tell me if its abuse or not... i can buy a warbandkey for 10 at christmas for sure.
If you dont do anything about it im going to pump money in my mainaccount too cause its the best way to get a high char with fuckload of money
without having to play as peasant-alt.
I dont say anything if everybody gets banned who uses 2 warband keys. then its not working this way.
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Great suggestion Cam. As someone breaking even wearing medium-heavy gear, I support your measure.
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If someone who is abusing the lvl26-freeupkeep is playing as long as a generation one needs until retirement he will have earned 435000 Gold.
What if Heirloomed items, no matter the level or generation of the user, are always affected by the upkeep rules?
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Good point Camaris. +1
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put an item limit on it - no 10k+ armors, no horses, no arbalest or something like that.
Normally noobs wouldnt be able to afford that and now he ycan use the gear they would use anyways but earn some extra cash
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It's being aboozed, needs to change. Respec button clearing free upkeep should do it.
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Everyone is complaining about upkeep , but as soon as someone give you the chance to avoid in some way upkeep , you whine.
If you are tired of level 25 , just dothe same. Getting a character up to level 25 isn't that hard.
we should just lower it to level 23 or level 22
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Everyone is complaining about upkeep , butas soon as someone give you the chance to do so , you whine.
If you are tired of people doing that , just do it. Getting a character up to level 25 is that hard. Moreover, we should just lower it to level 23 or level 22
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Personally, I hate upkeep. I spend more time worrying about trying to just make a little cash than enjoying the game. I still dont have any master looms, only a 2nd loom. I have low end gear all the time other than that and still only make a tiny amount of money after HOURS of playing. Used to be that I had the hoe of playing and being able to use any gear like anyone else. Now... seems like Ill hafta play 10 years to just play middle gear. (I know, some of u will flame about complaining, but I remember when this game had no upkeep and people could choose anything... play tank or play fast, and it was just fun, not a HUGE grinding slog).
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You will make a tiny amount of money if you're using equipment with a lot of upkeep. Upkeep is everything, really. It is the major cost that never goes away.
The gear you need is a relatively cheap 1 time cost (for non-heirloomed items). You can go in very cheap peasant gear for a few hours to earn the money you need for whatever gear you want. You should earn about 20 or 30k in about 5 hours. So it's only a grind to get the equipment you want if you insist on playing with a high upkeep set of equipment.
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Damned i must have been so tired when i wrote that xD. That's just impossible to understand :D !
I corrected it :D
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YOU'RE UNUNDERSTANDABLE!!!
So unironicle!