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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Closed Requests => Topic started by: Spook Island on November 03, 2011, 11:53:13 am
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Apparently I've been banned "retroactively" for "bypassing autobalance."
Never got a warning, just some bullshit excuse from canary about how "I should have known."
This is literally an admin by the way, and that is the real response he gave me.
LOGICALLY SPEAKING...
If the balance allows room for switch, I really don't see the problem here. The balance setting can be tweaked any time; I know because I've seen it done before.
Not to mention every player has the ability to switch if they want, its not some super secret hidden power.
Honestly, it looks like this is just some trumped up bullshit charge from certain biased admins (like canary, goretooth, etc..) who are looking for any excuse to take out their in-game frustration on me.
How do you retroactively ban someone for an unknown violation you've never warned them about and expect the underlying motive to not be completely transparent?
Literally nobody has ever said that was against the rules. Not a player, not an admin.
There is some serious abuse of admin policy going on here and it is pretty easy to see.
Also, I went to take a leak last night in the battle server and went spec the whole round and Canary booted me without warning.
Did I mention this was like 4 A.M. and we only had like 20 so guys in the server at the time; clearly the room wasn't needed.
Pics of Chat Log - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/canaryadminabuse.jpg/
(just another example of blatant admin abuse which adds to my case)
Basically, I don't want to be punished under ridiculous circumstances by admins who clearly hold a grudge.
Canary holds a grudge against me because I kept beating him 1 on 1 and ragging on him for being level 34. Is it suddenly illegal to talk smack in-game now too? I mean I talk a LOT of smack.
But seriously, since when has there been a rule that players are not allowed to ever switch teams.
Do the other decent admins not realize what is going on here?
Finally, just want to reiterate one point.
Literally never received a warning from any admin ever about this.
Pretty much speaks for itself.
Also: how do we replace admins who clearly need to step down?
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Behavior rules
* No offensive behavior anywhere
o Remember that this is the internet. Don't be insulted if someone calls you an idiot.
General rules
* No exploiting of any kind
o NOT OK: Bypassing the autobalance
o NOT OK: Using a bug to gain undeserved benefits
No abuse of in-game chat (racism, insulting, griefing...)
I'm pretty sure I've seen you switch teams like that constantly on both siege and battle, which you didn't deny. I also constantly see you call everyone "bundle of stickss" and "worthless" etc everytime you lose. There's really no question you've violated those rules relentlessly.
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I never knew having full lordly armor that gives you 81 body armor was hard. O_O, what about dat strength also.
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Canary you're my new hero <3
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i dont really care about the ~*~ elite duelist ~*~ dickwaving but that chatlog looks pretty bad, canary
pretty obvious trolling him with admin powers and the giveaway "im not mad i swear" Typing that looks like this, sir.
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Before we go one step further, bypassing Autobalance is an offense, as shown by a very large discussion thread in General Talk involving The Grey Order and a few others.
I just wanted to clarify that for everyone reading the thread
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Bypassing autobalance? All admins tell people to go to spectator when they take a piss or get a drink. Pretty ridiculous, Canary. No need to kick spectators with 20 people.
I have seen him switch teams to be on attackers every round, but that is fairly irrelevant to the fact that he was spectating to use the bathroom.
GG Spook Fans.
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Seen spookisland bypass autobalance every round. Unless you got a weak bladder or something i don't buy it. BTW spookisland i'm not an admin. Never was an admin on the official servers.
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even if he was aggressively bypassing autobalance i'd consider a ban for that to be roughly equivalent (in terms of shittyness) to the police arresting you for being in a park after hours
it's obvious here canary was getting trolled and retaliated using admin powers, that should be unacceptable but instead in game and on here i'm seeing a "thin blue line" reaction from the rest of the admins, ganner even muted me when i told him he was being a shitlord
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Spook is a known troll and a regular annoyance. I'll wait for Canary to post in this thread.
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Spook is a known troll and a regular annoyance. I'll wait for Canary to post in this thread.
Trolling doesn't always warrant a ban.
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Who gets mad about getting kicked going to spec? it's the chance you take. fuck. get a grip.
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I would like to put forth my extensive research in this matter for your consideration, seems relevant considering the clan of the admins in question. Although this may not speak for all of it's members, I feel that this banning should be taken with a grain of salt.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19891.0.html (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19891.0.html)
Idlewild
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Disregarding what Spook was actually banned for, why is it that Spook's been allowed to relentlessly call his team bundle of stickss, day after day, for such a long time? He gets warned sometimes, muted occasionally, but does it anyway day after day. I can't recall many rounds Spook's lost where he didn't hurl insults of all sorts at his teammates. If nothing else, Spook should be told to loosen up a bit and be a little more respectful when he's complaining. I've seen people banned for far less, but I'm not saying he deserves to be banned for it.
One thing I'll say in Spook's defense is that a lot of players start falsely accusing him or trying to provoke him after he receives warnings. Saw someone attack Spookisland at spawn and then start screaming that Spook was TKing him when he actually hadn't swung his sword yet.
To Garlan: what Spook does is immediately join spectator and rejoin the game if he feels he has a chance of being teamswapped to the more stacked team. It doesn't always work, but when it does you've effectively bypassed autobalance. Generally it's doable after a team loses a higher leveled player, before someone else joins the game, I think.
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Disregarding what Spook was actually banned for, why is it that Spook's been allowed to relentlessly call his team bundle of stickss, day after day, for such a long time? He gets warned sometimes, muted occasionally, but does it anyway day after day. I can't recall many rounds Spook's lost where he didn't hurl insults of all sorts at his teammates. If nothing else, Spook should be told to loosen up a bit and be a little more respectful when he's complaining. I've seen people banned for far less, but I'm not saying he deserves to be banned for it.
One thing I'll say in Spook's defense is that a lot of players start falsely accusing him or trying to provoke him after he receives warnings. Saw someone attack Spookisland at spawn and then start screaming that Spook was TKing him when he actually hadn't swung his sword yet.
To Garlan: what Spook does is immediately join spectator and rejoin the game if he feels he has a chance of being teamswapped to the more stacked team. It doesn't always work, but when it does you've effectively bypassed autobalance. Generally it's doable after a team loses a higher leveled player, before someone else joins the game, I think.
I have seen him do that, but what is posted is hearsay until Canary posts. We don't know how long he was actually spectating, but if the ban isn't for this specific example then I guess it is deserved.
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Personally, I wouldn't be saddened a bit if this banned became permanent. Spook has always found ways to exploit and has always been an verbally abusive troll. Crpg will be better place without him.
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Spook does switch teams, but only on attackers. I don't think he cares about the "banner" but that he switches to attacker because attacker always wins flags on seige
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Spook does switch teams, but only on attackers. I don't think he cares about the "banner" but that he switches to attacker because attacker always wins flags on seige
This is fairly accurate, as I've played an extensive amount on siege until recently.
I'd like to contribute to the "ban spook" bandwagon by posting this image.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/2011110300001.jpg/
This was taken during the same map Spook was initially told by Canary that he'd be banned retroactively for avoiding autobalance. Woltek swung, mind you carelessly, and hit spook by accident. Spook, without warning, tk'd Woltek. Spook was banned for two days for this exact incident several weeks ago, as can be seen in this thread:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,18984.0.html
I know my evidence isn't necessarily damning, but, I feel confident enough that there were enough people in the server to collaborate my story.
If need be, I can provide another screenshot of Spook spurting racist comments at me.
GG Spook fans.
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ganner (though he is a shitmin) was online there so obviously that wasn't flagrant enough to warrant anything
and in spook's defense, wojtek is a rage-prone sperglord
like i said before i'm not a huge spookfan but people try to get him banned for frivolous shit so often i'm compelled to defend him
i don't play siege much but i've never seen him cause ingame problems, shitloads of chat trolling but only spergs care about what goes on in chat
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ganner (though he is a shitmin) was online there so obviously that wasn't flagrant enough to warrant anything
and in spook's defense, wojtek is a rage-prone sperglord
like i said before i'm not a huge spookfan but people try to get him banned for frivolous shit so often i'm compelled to defend him
i don't play siege much but i've never seen him cause ingame problems, shitloads of chat trolling but only spergs care about what goes on in chat
I saw it and would normally have banned spook for it, but i knew he was pending a ban from canary. The TK was a flagrant revenge tk worthy of at least a 24 hour ban.
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I think spook gets a lot of hate from the community (most of it warranted). As such I see him undeserving of a perma-ban.
I was not there, but I'm sure Canary acted in the best manner possible to ensure enforcement of rules. Unless he recants his decision he has my support.
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I would like to put forth my extensive research in this matter for your consideration, seems relevant considering the clan of the admins in question. Although this may not speak for all of it's members, I feel that this banning should be taken with a grain of salt.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19891.0.html (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19891.0.html)
Idlewild
You do not have to sign every post. Asshole.
And don't put a link to your puke every where you go.
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You do not have to sign every post. Asshole.
And don't put a link to your puke every where you go.
You mad babby?
Idlewild
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Burden of proof is on admins/victims and I dont see any logs, witnesses, screenshots or video here. Lets see some evidence of how long he was in spectator, how many times did he switch sides, etc.
This is all the more reason why automatic admin scripting is needed, say 15mins max spectating before server automatically drops you. Leave the human element out of the equation except for when server is filled to the brim and space is needed. Admins give ample warning then for people to join up or be booted.
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Few question after reading this thread: Why was it retroactive? If it was breaking the rules while administrators were on, why wasn't it punished until later. If he was kicked initially only due to spectator cleansing, why wasn't anyone else kicked/banned retroactively?
Canary is one of the better administrators we have on NA, so ultimately I feel like a post from him might clear up any misunderstandings.
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Hello.
Early this morning it had come to my attention that SpookIsland was going into spectator nearly every round, presumably with intent to bypass the autobalance. At some point I re-reviewed the rules and determined that, why yes, this is a punishable offense. And so, when I told Spook he was going to be banned for this (I used the term "retroactively" because I had to double check and make sure it was actually against the rules) he said that since anyone should do it and that you can change how the autobalance works it should be allowed.
In short, I suspected him of breaking a server rule, witnessed him doing it, told him he was going to be banned for it, and he confessed to having done it. If you read the original post in this thread he practically says that he did it, whatever else he said.
And Spook, maybe I would have given you the benefit of the doubt had you not had a past record of being banned. Even worse, I'd warned you twice to stop being offensive to your teammates in chat, and you kept on doing it, warranting a mute. If I thought that a warning would have accomplished anything with you, I might have been more lenient, but you have repeatedly defied authority and blatantly broken the rules and have subsequently been punished for it.
P.S. for the record, I like SpookIsland. When he's not being ridiculous and offensive, he's a pretty funny guy and a good fighter.
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How long is the ban?
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Unban date : 05.11.2011 11:20:16 (total of 2 days)
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The Spook man has been doing this for the past year that I've been playing cRPG, typically to get onto attacking side, though sometimes defenders, and though I've never reported him or taken a screenshot for it, I've always thought it was a pretty lame move.
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Friendly reminder to everyone that this forum is not for your (the readers unless you have an "Supreme Overlord" tag) personal amusement. Keep the insults to a minimum and think before you hit that comment button. If you want to discuss a ban case in a casual third-party sense, make a thread about it elsewhere in an appropriate forum.
This behavior and off-topic posting has gone on far enough. I will start requesting heavy warnings for further incidents in any future thread for "commentator" or "joke" posts from people not involved, as well as unnecessary insults.
Behave yourselves, or you will be literally silenced on these forums.
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I saw it and would normally have banned spook for it, but i knew he was pending a ban from canary. The TK was a flagrant revenge tk worthy of at least a 24 hour ban.
and you give me a week for no fucking reason... well done rage baby
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I don't want to insult or any of that, just going to give my 2 cents. But I've seen him on a siege quite a few times and I can vouch that he does like to TK his teammates freely and think it is okay, he has a very arrogant attitude about him and likes to think he can get away with whatever he wants, like the TKing TWing. He also like to rage and cuss at teammates and people frequently, although I don't know if that can get him in serious trouble.
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I don't want to insult or any of that, just going to give my 2 cents. But I've seen him on a siege quite a few times and I can vouch that he does like to TK his teammates freely and think it is okay, he has a very arrogant attitude about him and likes to think he can get away with whatever he wants, like the TKing TWing. He also like to rage and cuss at teammates and people frequently, although I don't know if that can get him in serious trouble.
Being an arrogant asshead isn't against the rules. Insulting teammates frequently and unrelentingly warrants a global mute, but not a ban. I just mute Spook locally, for the most part. I generally don't bother too much with him anymore.
Bypassing autobalance is a breach of server rules, one way or another. While Spook is annoying in general, when I can't hear him, he's pretty much just like every other pubbie out there. So people just need to learn to use the mute button.
At a personal level, I support this ban. People need to know that you can't do whatever you want on servers and get away with it.
For example, in the Mentok and Sendir ban threads, the evidence is irrefutable. And even while I admit that I don't like Idlewild at a personal level, the evidence he brought forward (even in poor spirit) is definitely a good record of the breach of server rules.
I don't have any insider information about the other two bans, but from what's presented on the forums, I agree with the bans issued.
The same applies to this case; there is overwhelming support in the ban of SpookIsland and many have come forward speaking against him.
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Ban has ended, discussion less relevant, locking thread.