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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Torp on February 06, 2011, 05:14:41 pm
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So i've been wondering which 2h sword people actually think is the best, so i've made this poll with the five most popular 2Hs, and we can all find out, which weapon people like the most.
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I like the longsword.
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Two handed sword.
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two handed sword!
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Three handed sword.
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i like the sword of war
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Torch
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I used to have flamberge, it was a good sword. Although its slow, it is great in little groups, you just have to hold your swing and when enemy is vunerable and no teamates in your swing radius, you swing and take a whole lot of damage from him, so 1 hit with a stick can easily kill him. Also, when you have flamberge I recomend taking a longsword, german greatsword, or the best a barmace with you. I say take a barmace with you because with all the str you put in the requirment for flamberge, will definatly pay off when using the bar mace in 1 on 1. Also, take a shields, with those 2 handers your a sitting duck for archers.
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Best 2H is the german with the flamberge being second for it's ability to mow down groups of enemies. In the end, it's a matter of preference though. I do a bit beter with the german over the danish because I stab alot. Someone who uses more slashes would do beter with the danish than the german.
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Best normal sword is German Greatsword
Best heirloomed sword is Masterwork Great Sword
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Why is a MW Sword of War better than MW German greatsword?
Oh, very tricky. Keep editing the "best heirloomed sword is..."
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Best sword is the one sticking out of your enemies foreheads :)
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Why is a MW Sword of War better than MW German greatsword?
Oh, very tricky. Keep editing the "best heirloomed sword is..."
I've made mistake. Great Sword is for stabbing and Sword of War is for swinging (like German vs Danish). I accidentally mixed those two.
MW Great Sword has 1 less slash damage and 1 more speed than MW German Greatsword. One speed is far better than minor difference in cut damage.
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Yes... it would be, but there is a length difference too.
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Yes, there is. Epic 3 centimeters difference in length. Also there is difference in upkeep cost, about 108 gold. That is 2176 gold you can spend on better armor :wink:
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Upkeep doesn't matter at all, though. I got too much monies anyways. Those 3 centimeters will assure that you live while the other guy dies, when both execute a perfect stab/slash.
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Epic 3 centimeters difference in length.
Don't underestimate length. 3 cm more can make a great difference. Ask any woman ;-)
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You're not really saying that your schlong is 120 cm long, are you?
I also prefer the regular great sword over anything else. Too bad it doesn't look so good.
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Longsword for life.
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2H sword. You get used to the very slight speed reduction and the 7 Reach bonus is actually significant. It also does more damage for little extra cost.
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noone uses flamberge anymore? :o
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The great sword is the best 2h sword.
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I love how nodachi isn't even on the list (therefore not considered anywhere near as good as the other swords here) , but it still is getting a -1 speed nerf after the patch most probably >.<.
P.S. voted for german greatsword, obviously.
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I like how the weapon that people complain the most about(katana) is not even close to the best weapon according to this poll :P Only 8 votes so far.
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Useless thread IMO.
There is plenty of nice 2h swords for different occasions...xD
Nodachi is awesome once its masterwork (Looting urs Ujin xD)
2 Handed Sword is awesome once its masterwork (got mine soon)
Germanstabsword is awesome though good old danish will always be my beloved fav after 400 hours of use... :-*
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I don't use them, but I find the longsword's looks the best. 8-)
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weabos mad ITT
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Why isn't the claymore there?
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ManCleaver!
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Haters. Um out of the ones on the list I picked the German lolsword. Though I've been enjoying my sword of war.
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Flamberge forever.
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Practise longsword, nuff said.
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Pro tip: Highland claymore will get some love in the next patch
I voted for Danish
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where's the greatsword in the poll?
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well claymore and nodachi would be my choice, dunno why arent they in the pole they both have so much character, way more than any of the swords in the list imo
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The best sword is the one you are comfortable with. No clue why but I am not doing well with the acclaimed Danish and German swords whereas I am terrific with a Dadao. With the latter, I just have the right feeling of its speed and length.
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Bumping for justice: Give Warcleaver bonus vs shields. Seriously, it's the only unbalanced 2h'd sword, no thrust and stats are lackluster vs a variety of others. Justice! Bonus vs. shields sword, go go!
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Hate to agree with Gorath but shield bonus for warcleaver would be awesome. Give me a reason to use it more.
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Bumping for justice: Give Warcleaver bonus vs shields. Seriously, it's the only unbalanced 2h'd sword, no thrust and stats are lackluster vs a variety of others. Justice! Bonus vs. shields sword, go go!
Its NOT the only unbalanced sword, because its NOT a sword.
But yeah to look at its immense, if axes get bonus vs shields regardless of shape or weight, warcleaver should too. I cant imagine anything you would much LESS want smashing on your shield.
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Sure, give the warcleaver bonus against shields and make both the great axe and the great bardiche obsolete, why not?
Warcleaver is pretty well balanced, I'd say. It's cheap, long, reasonably fast, has good damage, no stab and is unbalanced. Sounds fair.
Also, an axe head is a wedge, a cleaver is pretty thin, maybe less than half as thick, and is thus not well suited for splitting wood.
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Warcleaver is pretty well balanced, I'd say. It's cheap, long, reasonably fast, has good damage, no stab and is unbalanced. Sounds fair.
Really if you look at the stats of the other 2h'd weapons there's no real reason to ever use a warcleaver except for cosmetic satisfaction.
War Cleaver
5046
weight 3.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 92
weapon length 120
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 0 cut
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Nodachi
10589
weight 3.5
requirement 11
spd rtng 92
weapon length 125
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Great Axe
3247
weight 3.25
requirement 14
spd rtng 94
weapon length 96
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield
Dadao
4020
weight 2.75
requirement 10
spd rtng 92
weapon length 115
swing damage 42, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Great Bardiche
4500
weight 3.25
requirement 15
spd rtng 89
weapon length 116
swing damage 44, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield
Miaodao
8030
weight 2.75
requirement 10
spd rtng 96
weapon length 115
swing damage 40, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Sword of War
9901
weight 3
requirement 14
spd rtng 93
weapon length 121
swing damage 40, cut
thrust damage 26 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Secondary Mode
In fact probably the best comparison would be the daodao (which I bought to use instead of the warcleaver for dueling) which is less money, same speed, balanced, same length, same attack directions, and is only 1c less damage, and 5 less range. So for 1c, 5 range you have to pay more money and the weapon is unbalanced which makes it alot clumsier to fight with. Doesn't seem that fair/balanced to me tbh. But meh, whatever, I'll keep using it out of sheer stubborness and cosmetic appeal.
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You are right, maybe the Dadao should lose 1 cut. Or become a bit more expensive. Otherwise, war cleaver compares well against other weapons listed.
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You are right, maybe the Dadao should lose 1 cut. Or become a bit more expensive. Otherwise, war cleaver compares well against other weapons listed.
Miaodao
weight 2.75
requirement 10
spd rtng 96
weapon length 115
swing damage 40, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback
This is lol weapon.
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It's a bit fast, yes, but compared to cleaver, it has less cut dmg, is shorter and costs more. Maybe it should drop one in speed, though, you are right.
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Huh, Urlukur? That's Miadao, they're talking about Dadao.
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Huh, Urlukur? That's Miadao, they're talking about Dadao.
Well, it's better dadao.
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War Cleaver
weight 3.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 92
weapon length 120
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 0 cut
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Bar Mace
weight 4.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 92
weapon length 96
swing damage 35, blunt
thrust damage 0 blunt
Crushtrhough
Unbalanced
Knockdown
Lul :shock:
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I've been using a bastard sword recently because it doesn't really help my manual blocking practice if my enemies die in one hit à la war cleaver. La Makina got it right, the best weapon is the one you're most comfortable with and killing people with the war cleaver I find easier than killing with faster swords because people often underestimate the speed and, most importantly, range of it. Speed is overrated, unless you're fighting me who never pings below 70 so anything sufficiently fast looks like it teleports all over the place.
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Otherwise, war cleaver compares well against other weapons listed.
How do you figure? Everything else I listed has better stats. I have a hard time understanding your logic given the stats and math involved. And really, how many other people do you see use the war cleaver? People aren't flocking to it en-masse because it's such an awesomely balanced weapon. The unbalanced nature of it, along with lack of either crush through, blunt damage, pierce damage or bonus vs axes makes it a very meh weapon stat wise. If it didn't look so damn good I'd stick to using something like the sword of war instead. 1 more speed, 1 more range, 3 less cut, addition of a stab and it's balanced.
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Yep, sword of war is better, that's why it's also more expensive. The reason why you don't see many people running around with a war cleaver is the same reason why you don't see many people running around with e.g. battle fork. Both weapons have more expensive better options.
As for the rest of your listed weapons, i really don't see why you consider them better than war cleaver. War cleaver mostly does more damage, is longer or cheaper. I still think it's pretty well balanced.
Now, if we are on the can my favourite weapon please be buffed train, can the long spiked club please be buffed? Less speed, more damage, please!
But back on topic: I no longer consider the regular great sword, which has 1 more speed, but 1 less cut and 3 less length, superior to the german great sword, because 92 speed is enough.
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Yep, sword of war is better, that's why it's also more expensive. The reason why you don't see many people running around with a war cleaver is the same reason why you don't see many people running around with e.g. battle fork. Both weapons have more expensive better options.
As for the rest of your listed weapons, i really don't see why you consider them better than war cleaver. War cleaver mostly does more damage, is longer or cheaper. I still think it's pretty well balanced.
Now, if we are on the can my favourite weapon please be buffed train, can the long spiked club please be buffed? Less speed, more damage, please!
But back on topic: I no longer consider the regular great sword, which has 1 more speed, but 1 less cut and 3 less length, superior to the german great sword, because 92 speed is enough.
No, it's about general balance. The cleaver gets a huge penalty, unbalanced tag, with nothing to show for it. Pretty much every other "unbalanced" weapon gets either bonus vs shields, crushthrough, blunt damage, pierce damage, etc. Which seems like terrible balance for this particular weapon. I'm not even sure why the unbalanced tag was added in the first place, in native it was balanced. Here it recieved a HUGE penalty which makes it sub-par to every other option.
Why would I consider them better?
NoDachi - Longer, not unbalanced
DaoDao - cheaper, same stats for the most part, non unbalanced
Miadao - same as above, not unbalanced
Great Bardiche - more damage, bonus vs shields
Sword of War - Thrust, non unbalanced, faster, longer
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G R E A T M A U L :twisted:
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War sp- wrong weapon type! Longsword personally, the length difference becomes null (to me) when you block the first strike of bigger weapons and get close.
And for the war cleaver discussion, War cleaver looks so badass. I wish they would either remove the unbalanced tag or give it crush-through/bonus to shields to compensate. Crush-through would be so boss. :o
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War sp- wrong weapon type! Longsword personally, the length difference becomes null (to me) when you block the first strike of bigger weapons and get close.
And for the war cleaver discussion, War cleaver looks so badass. I wish they would either remove the unbalanced tag or give it crush-through/bonus to shields to compensate. Crush-through would be so boss. :o
I wish longest 2h greatswords and spamberge GAIN unbalanced trait.
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I wish all 1h weapons gain unbalanced trait.
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I wish all 1h weapons gain unbalanced trait.
They already have something akin, it's called shield. I would not whine hard if cavalry swords (longest ones) and some maces and many axes gain unbalanced trait, i dunno if it does not interfere with shield mechanic, as there was not used on 1h in native.
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I wish longest 2h greatswords and spamberge GAIN unbalanced trait.
That would work too.
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They already have something akin, it's called shield. I would not whine hard if cavalry swords (longest ones) and some maces and many axes gain unbalanced trait, i dunno if it does not interfere with shield mechanic, as there was not used on 1h in native.
No, you'll just have to learn to play with a shield. It's nothing similar.
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No, you'll just have to learn to play with a shield. It's nothing similar.
Both hamper feints in some way. I do fine with shields, nub.
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I wish I was a fish.
Then I could delay the rounds cause nobody would think to look for a fish in a medieval war game.
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Both hamper feints in some way. I do fine with shields, nub.
Debatable.
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Debatable.
That he does well or that your a nub?
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I wish longest 2h greatswords and spamberge GAIN unbalanced trait.
baaad idea :D
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German Greatsword sucks. Don't bother with it.
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German Greatsword sucks. Don't bother with it.
which is why so many good players use it...?
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Playing with the heavy great sword at the moment. After I played some time with the two handed sword, I wanted to get a "higher class" 2h sword. I'm doing well with it, nice speed and good range, swing damage is also okay. The Highland Claymore may follow. It has "no" speed, but I used a War Axe on my other char, which is quite a slow weapon, and I did (and still doing) well with it. I just need good swing damage.
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Yeah if you can block reasonably well, speed doesn't matter so much. Length and damage are more important, IMO.
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Yeah if you can block reasonably well, speed doesn't matter so much. Length and damage are more important, IMO.
I'd agree, but only up to a certain point. I'd still rate a german beter than a flamberge because of its stab and speed.
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I'd agree, but only up to a certain point. I'd still rate a german beter than a flamberge because of its stab and speed.
Defiantly I think German Greatsword is a very good two Hander which is both Long, Does alot of damage and is still fast Enough.
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Danish might be the best overall, though.
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Danish might be the best overall, though.
Nah, the 2h stab is still the best attack in the game. Perfect for both long range and close combat. If you're not using that more than slashes, you're doing it wrong. And you're a disciple of bjord, who's a disciple of phyrex, who's a disciple of theNarrator, ergo you use loads of stabs, you should know the german is beter.
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Nah, the 2h stab is still the best attack in the game. Perfect for both long range and close combat. If you're not using that more than slashes, you're doing it wrong. And you're a disciple of bjord, who's a disciple of phyrex, who's a disciple of theNarrator, ergo you use loads of stabs, you should know the german is beter.
But. Danish is 1 longer, and when fighting a good player who has a Danish, you'll always get stabbed first. So you have to block first instead of initiating!
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But. Danish is 1 longer, and when fighting a good player who has a Danish, you'll always get stabbed first. So you have to block first instead of initiating!
I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.....Wait....Shit...
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Masterwork Danish Greatsword
weight 2.5
requirement 14
spd rtng 94
weapon length 124
swing damage 45, cut
thrust damage 30 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Secondary Mode
My 2h sword is the best on crpg, end of discussion
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Masterwork German Greatsword
weight 2.5
requirement 14
spd rtng 94
weapon length 123
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 34 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Secondary Mode
Really depends on your personal preference. Although I find many people fail at blocking a stab after a feint so that's why I prefer this.
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Masterwork German Greatsword
weight 2.5
requirement 14
spd rtng 94
weapon length 123
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 34 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Secondary Mode
Really depends on your personal preference. Although I find many people fail at blocking a stab after a feint so that's why I prefer this.
lolstabs are (imo) the best attack in the game, which makes this thge best weapon in the game
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Longsword is by far the best.
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Longsword is by far the best.
I get it. Heh heh. Nice euphemism. Hah. "Longsword." Oh you.
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I get it. Heh heh. Nice euphemism. Hah. "Longsword." Oh you.
I was actually being serious. I think that longsword is the best 2h sword.
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Longsword is by far the best.
Nein.
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Nein.
Was ne Begründung :rolleyes:
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Longsword is by far the best.
Not really, it is a mix of good range, good speed and good damage (stab/cut). If you choose bigger swords you always get an advantage for an disadvantage, more length for less speed etc.
It's harder to play but if you're skilled enough to minimize the downfalls and use the advantage right you will be more effective in the end.
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Not really, it is a mix of good range, good speed and good damage (stab/cut). If you choose bigger swords you always get an advantage for an disadvantage, more length for less speed etc.
It's harder to play but if you're skilled enough to minimize the downfalls and use the advantage right you will be more effective in the end.
well, if you're good at using the advantages right and compensate for the disadvantages, you're good with any weapon
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So between danish and german... which one is best? That +1 in length does make any difference?
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So between danish and german... which one is best? That +1 in length does make any difference?
I started heirlooming a Danish, but I wish that I had gone for German instead. Once fully masterworked, the German has +4 pierce damage over the Danish, and only -2 cut damage. I'd rather have the +4 pierce thrust of the German than +2 cut slash of the Danish.
As for the +1 length, no, I don't think even the best players could turn such a small increase in length into a significant bonus in combat. If it was +5 then perhaps...
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So between danish and german... which one is best? That +1 in length does make any difference?
In a german vs danish fight it does, otherwise not really.
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I think longsword is a much better all purpose weapon than the other swords such as the greatsword and danish greatsword etc. Longer ranger weapons are better when you have a lot of room and are one on one, but they often graze instead of inflicting full damage on enemies when you are too close. Shorter range weapons do not graze as often when you are closer to the enemy. When you are fighting multiple enemies at a very close range, such as when you are walking up a siege ladder, it's preferable to have a weapon like the longsword. This alone makes the longsword a better all purpose weapon because it allows you to perform at the very least well in more situations; whereas you are limited at times with longer range weapons.
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Stabs make pierce damages and - if I am correct - armors suffer a penalty of 50% against pierce attacks.
So a difference of +3 pierce damages could be interpreted as a factual +6 against armored opponents. +6 is such a big difference, without mentioning the masterwork version, truly deadly. The Deutsch sword has really an edge.
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I prefer the great sword, but there is a strong case to be made for the longsword as well in my opinion.
The longsword at base level is nothing much, but comparing it to the other options at masterwork, I think that it's on par with the other top choices. It's a facehug weapon for 2h, so it depends on style, I suppose.
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I have a weapons calculator algorithm that calculates how good a weapon is.
I was disappointed to find out that 2 handers really are balanced. Mathematically, there really is no best choice of 2h weapon. (my goal was to be cheap and forever use the best weapon in secret QQ)
Flamberge gets a little low on the score and Katana is good for dueling, but overall the swords are fairly balanced. If I had to pick I would say 2 handed sword is the best simply because it can handle duels well also.
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Danish Greatsword!
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longsword
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It seems like people generally prefer the gretswords and then the longsword :o
not so many on the others
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Two Handed Sword here, with the occasional Great Sword usage.
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that topic is stupid...
why?
because there is no best 2h ingame, you need sword for you playstyle.
If you are spamer you need longsword or katana but bastrad sword, Miaodao(if you dont need thrust)
For players who love thrust damange :Great Sword, German Greatsword
For balanced (swing/thrust):Heavy Great Sword(because is fast) Highland Claymore(its awesome weapon after upgrade) Danish Greatsword.
and we have flamberg... it is awesome(and expensive weapon)
anyway where is Bar mace or Long Iron Mace???????????
it is 2h sword with blunt damange Crushtrhough and Knockdown......
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that topic is stupid...
why?
because there is no best 2h ingame, you need sword for you playstyle.
If you are spamer you need longsword or katana but bastrad sword, Miaodao(if you dont need thrust)
For players who love thrust damange :Great Sword, German Greatsword
For balanced (swing/thrust):Heavy Great Sword(because is fast) Highland Claymore(its awesome weapon after upgrade) Danish Greatsword.
and we have flamberg... it is awesome(and expensive weapon)
anyway where is Bar mace or Long Iron Mace???????????
it is 2h sword with blunt damange Crushtrhough and Knockdown......
first; this is not a topic about finding THE best 2H sword, but it's where people can discuss what they think is best.
second; bar mace and long iron mace are NOT swords... they are maces... there is a difference
there could've been other 2H swords, and i actually made another topic with all the swords - people just decided to answer this topic instead of the other one.
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yes and it is my opinion
and yes bar mace is but you fight with that weapon in the same way... but it isn't place to discus about that "unbalanced"(op) bullshit.
in my opinion best 2h swords Highland Claymore or GGS, Long Sword
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A Masterwork Longsword is better stabbing than a Masterwork War Spear.
Go with that.
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Sword of War and NO DACHI !!!!
i'm in love with the no dachi !
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After rocking the Heavy Bastard Sword to Masterwork quality I have decided to have a change and went for the highly original setup of Heraldic Transitional Armor and a Danish Great Sword. The difference between the 1/2 handed weapons and the Great Sword is unbelieveable and, while the HBS was my baby I can not deny the superiority of the unheirloomed Danish GS in 80-90% of all situations.
Style goes out the window when faced with Substance like this!
...I do feel I've sold out somewhat though, at least I'm not crushthrough I suppose... :P
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Mine's always been the Longsword, just like the feel of it and it seems to suit me well, infact it's also one of my favourite weapons to use from horseback w/o shield too, sure not the most powerful, but I enjoy using it and that's all that matters to me.
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Mine's always been the Longsword, just like the feel of it and it seems to suit me well, infact it's also one of my favourite weapons to use from horseback w/o shield too, sure not the most powerful, but I enjoy using it and that's all that matters to me.
:D
anyways, this thread is actually about the best sword, not the one you like :p (even thoguh i agree taht chosing the weapon you like is more important than chosing the most OP)