I think the horse's bump is way too op, i mean seriously if there's 10 shielders shields up in line the horse can just run straight through them and bump every1 so not a singel buff to the horses i say.
Make horses take slots.
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Main reason you can never balance cav is that it's outside of the slot-system.
Agreed.
"But it's expensive" isn't enough of a balance argument. Every class would love to have a 30k weapon that con onehit cav.
try thinking your idea out before posting this junk
I think the horse's bump is way too op, i mean seriously if there's 10 shielders shields up in line the horse can just run straight through them and bump every1 so not a singel buff to the horses i say.
well on that subject i think once the twinks(those my old friends who stay under 26 to not pay upkeep sorry for the WoW term) disappear the never ending fountain of gold will be gone and the vets will slowly geet drained of there gold imo.just saying
Horse bumping has absolutely no effect if you have body armor above 50
In my opinion horsemen should have possibility to take at least the following setups that currently take 4 slots:Make the lesser horses (all light apart from arab and courser) be 0 slot and make the couch-only lances (they cant stab, even on ground) 1 slot. You want a heavy lance and backup weapon (polearm or 1h+shield), go light horse. You want a heavy horse, lance and backup weapon you get couch only. I think this balances the cav.
Bow + 2 sets of arrows + decent (1 slot) sidearm = currently 4
Lance + 1h + shield = currently 4
Slot system would remove both options. HAs going without a decent melee weapon or with only one stack of arrows I could understand, but nerfing that lancer setup I would be unable to understand.
If you want to balance horses, I believe you either need to revamp the equipment system enough to make 1 slot lances balanced (they'd be pretty good 1 slot spears for infantry if they were 1 slot) or you need to balance it by making cavalry characters sacrifice more for becoming cavalry.
EDIT: Also, seriously, current bump system is retarded. As 1h/shield infantry in 40ish body armor a lone armored horseman with a shield can just trample me a few times to get a kill. To survive I need to make perfect stabs with speedbonus to the horse a few times to get it down and then kill the unharmed rider who was just holding shield up before in infantry combat. Usually horsemen gladly don't risk their horses and if they're bad they can be jump-stabbed down which is also pretty ridiculous but effective if done succesfully. I do not have anything against 1h+shield being countered by horsemen to some extent, but I'd much rather have it with rider actually having skill to lance or slash me down instead of getting trampled over repeatedly :D
WOOT ? I got 53 body armor and loose quite a bit of hp when a courser or destrier bumps me. Not speaking of the overused armored horses.
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Nowadays the problem seems to be a large amount of elephant cavalry romping about the battlefield. That they're hard to kill is understandable, given their immense (IMMENSE) cost, however recently there have been SO MANY of them, probably as a result of their lowered riding requirement.
-Increase difficulty for plated death machines.
Hey! I came with an answer that took in context everything you mentioned! Give me some credit!
Make the lesser horses (all light apart from arab and courser) be 0 slot and make the couch-only lances (they cant stab, even on ground) 1 slot. You want a heavy lance and backup weapon (polearm or 1h+shield), go light horse. You want a heavy horse, lance and backup weapon you get couch only. I think this balances the cav.
Also HA usually take Bow +3 stacks of arrows and then whine when they run out and the enemy wont "give" them a melee weapon. Now they can max take a bow and 2 stacks, meaning they can also get a 0 slot melee weapon.
"To me you sound like you are butthurt because someone has played with cheap gear"
Money has never been an issue with me, this is strictly about balance so stop attacking my character.
This isn't Whining either, I am SIMPLY TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT HORSES HAVE HAD ISSUES REGARDING BALANCING.
Stop drawing out assumptions.
This sounds fairly reasonable. HAs would get slightly screwed but I guess it could be compensated with something. Cavalry would still be able to perform decently.Thank you.
Zapper- "1 slot for horses should only be for armoured horses and arab/courser."No problem. Thanks for asking.
Would you mind if I put that in parenthesis and cite you for it? Edit*-(in the OP) I think this would be a much better idea then the current one, due to people seeing rouncey and other low cost horses inferior to the sumpter.
tbh, i would rather pay alot of money for upkeep than be even more reduced in my weapon choices. If anything riding a horse should give you extra slots :)I just remembered the suggestion about making horses able to carry gear. So make it so you had to retrieve the weapon from the horse or something. Dunno exactly HOW that would work, but it could be interesting.
Normal horses(Rouncey,Palfrey,Sumpter) 1 slot, rest 2 slots.Balanced cav /thread
Op has awesome idea.
No need to be dedicated.They can still be Hybrids, they just need to use 1slot horses and watch their weapon choice.uhm... okay, you said "if you want to be a heavy knight with plate armor and a plate horse.
Also dont you think it´s a bit mutch to expect killing all idiots with lances first until your horse dies, then come up, draw your MW Greatsword and beat the crap out of the rest from behind?
This would make Cav just balanced.If you want to be a heavy knight with plate armor and a Plate horse, you can still be that.With 1h and Shield.If you want a Lance AND a shield, go take a worse horse...
uhm... okay, you said "if you want to be a heavy knight with plate armor and a plate horse.Well a heavy lance AND a greatsword is kinda OP when you can also take a good horse.
Well, a courser is not a plate horse, yet it still apparently takes 2 slots. That leaves room for exactly one heavy lance. Even if the lance is reduced to a 1 slot. It leaves room for only shitty 2h. My current equipment is medium armor + courser/arabian (depends on map) + danish great + heavy lance.
The only way this would be feasible is if any unarmored horse (including destrier and courser) would be 1 slot and heavy lances also became one slot.
I don't want a shield, i just want my lance and my sword on my horse. This doesn't seem like overtly much equipment.
You want to be good at both ground and on horse, you have to take a "lesser" horse. You want to get a good horse you have to sacrifice a bit in either footfighting or horsefighting.
We already take a hit in wpf, stats and skill points, and crpg money.
You can rest assured, when my 1h/p-arm/shield guy gets knocked off his horse, he's going to have probably less ability points, defenitely less wpf, and less iron flesh, than the 'no horse 1 weapon build guy', waiting to smash his head in, as he slides off his horse...
So your statement of 'bieng good at both' is not true, its bieng average at both, + a horse which SHOULD be a terrifyingly affective asset on the battlefield. -Which is already reflected in their upkeep costs, especially the ones with horsebump viability.
But once on foot, unless your opponent has done something to multi-specialize himself, mathamatically according to the system, The hybrid actually has 'less than average' stats.
So no, your wrong about the whole 'good at both' thing, (which your using as the basis for your argument)
And no, making horses taking slots, will simply kill a multitude of horse classes.
This is not the way to do it, defenitely not.
how the hell is a greatsword and a lance op?
carrying 2 weapons that have no addons (like arrows or bolts) does NOT seem like alot.
It's alot though if they have they are on an armored horse with a lance, and they are a super infantry in black armor with a greatsword. It makes them able to do anything but shoot/throw, which they won't even need because archers will avoid armored horses/infantry like the plague. (Unless they are some strategic squad trying to help the team, like Fallen)
if we make horses take slots, can we also make armour take slots? :P