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Title: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Nebun on August 31, 2011, 05:47:36 pm
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Druzhina is now at war with FCC!

pam param pam pam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFIS-8DIYX0)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thovex on August 31, 2011, 05:48:23 pm
мочи козлов!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: LordBerenger on August 31, 2011, 05:49:23 pm
I herd PTX liked to suck Oberyn dick once upon a time  8-)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: [ptx] on August 31, 2011, 05:50:20 pm
No. Learn2read. They signed a 2 week NAP... 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thovex on August 31, 2011, 05:50:49 pm
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,13602.0.html

Date: 17 August 2011
Today's Date: 31 August 2011

2 Weeks, ends today, war starts tomorrow.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: LordBerenger on August 31, 2011, 05:51:30 pm
No. Learn2read. They signed a 2 week NAP... 2 weeks ago.

I SENSE UMAD.

UMAD UMAD NEEEEEEGA UMAD!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Magikarp on August 31, 2011, 05:51:45 pm
Guess FCC is going down, check battle list.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Anhy on August 31, 2011, 05:51:57 pm
NAP ? What this ?
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Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on August 31, 2011, 05:52:40 pm


It was a very short NAP. Meant to be temporary until certain disputeswere worked out, only things weren't able to be worked out. The attack was not initiated until the NAP officially ended.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 31, 2011, 05:54:42 pm
I guess this just triggered then:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14642.0.html

Druzhina has declared war on *quickly counts the faction's vassals and the other alliance's factions* 7 factions. Kudos for not being gutless like other factions!


See you on the battlefield.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Goretooth on August 31, 2011, 06:01:58 pm
This should be fun :twisted:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 31, 2011, 06:03:05 pm
see you there  :twisted:

Oh look, goretooth and his impressive I killed 80 or 90 people and died 70 times last siege! Yes, see you there.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Segd on August 31, 2011, 06:04:47 pm
I guess this just triggered then:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14642.0.html

Druzhina has declared war on *quickly counts the faction's vassals and the other alliance's factions* 7 factions. Kudos for not being gutless like other factions!


See you on the battlefield.
glad to fight on EU3 server. not just against NA  :)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Goretooth on August 31, 2011, 06:06:04 pm
Oh look, goretooth and his impressive I killed 80 or 90 people and died 70 times last siege! Yes, see you there.
lol so you could have done better? weren't you there?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 31, 2011, 06:06:46 pm
glad to fight on EU3 server. not just against NA  :)

Oh agreed, pure NA against pure EU is just aweful for everyone, blegh.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Panoply on August 31, 2011, 06:08:08 pm
This is gonna be fun. :D
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 31, 2011, 06:08:20 pm
Druzhina has declared war on *quickly counts the faction's vassals and the other alliance's factions* 7 factions. Kudos for not being gutless like other factions!


This war, + war in the south + THC, it seems that we will have the first world war of strat v2...!

UIF 2 vs rest of the world!!! fun!!! Battles!! war!!! Death!!!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Torben on August 31, 2011, 06:14:43 pm
sweet
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: v/onMega on August 31, 2011, 06:21:01 pm
No suprise, like many things on the map.

GL for both!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Varyag on August 31, 2011, 06:26:25 pm
Nice! New world war in Calradia! Well done Druzhina, teach these retards some good manners. You may not like me (and believe me this feeling is mutual), but I hate BRD backstabbers even more, so if you want skilled arbalester I may help you in some battles for free.

Some examples of my previous battles for Pillagers and neutrals:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 31, 2011, 06:28:10 pm
Nice! New world war in Calradia! Well done Druzhina, teach these retards some good manners. You may not like me (and believe me this feeling is mutual), but I hate BRD backstabbers even more, so if you want skilled arbalester I may help you in some battles.


The Fallen with manners? Go fuck yourself  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Varyag on August 31, 2011, 06:29:18 pm
Oh, trust me I will rape u hard  :lol:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 31, 2011, 06:31:09 pm
Oh, trust me I will rape u hard  :lol:


Uh...  :?:

I like how this guy is bragging that he will rape me hard, clearly demonstrates that he has never seen me play...

Could I meet the guy who can not rape me hard at this game? Gawd I suck so much... *sobs* Just once I would like to dominate someone in this game!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Goretooth on August 31, 2011, 06:32:46 pm

Uh...  :?:

I like how this guy is bragging that he will rape me hard, clearly demonstrates that he has never seen me play...

Could I meet the guy who can not rape me hard at this game? Gawd I suck so much... *sobs* Just once I would like to dominate someone in this game!
He saw the tag duh
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: okiN on August 31, 2011, 06:33:28 pm
Druzhina has declared war on *quickly counts the faction's vassals and the other alliance's factions* 7 factions. Kudos for not being gutless like other factions!

You're kidding yourself if you think they'll be going into that kind of fight alone.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: ManOfWar on August 31, 2011, 06:33:33 pm
It is true Gore, you die way to much

Focus on not dieing and no one will be able to say shit
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 31, 2011, 06:35:58 pm
You're kidding yourself if you think they'll be going into that kind of fight alone.

You're kidding yourself if you think I don't kid myself every day *points to the tag below my name*
It is true Gore, you die way to much

Focus on not dieing and no one will be able to say shit
Shuddup, I like the Rambo Goretooth who says to hell with team work and defending a castle, imma gonna jump out of the walls every time I spawn and chareg deh spawn! The man has guts, let him rambo and show these plebs how you really kick ass!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Goretooth on August 31, 2011, 06:36:21 pm
It is true Gore, you die way to much

Focus on not dieing and no one will be able to say shit
Got bored and was better then sitting around getting shot and not getting massive amounts of kills. If i'm gonna die i'm gonna take out more of them.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on August 31, 2011, 06:36:49 pm
To be fair, a lot of the battles were gore goes like 80 and 70, the rest of the kds on his team are less than 1:1.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: ManOfWar on August 31, 2011, 06:37:33 pm

Got bored and was better then sitting around getting shot and not getting massive amounts of kills. If i'm gonna die i'm gonna take out more of them.

won't get shot if you stand behind a wall and wait for the bastards :D

they eventually do come
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Segd on August 31, 2011, 06:38:16 pm
You're kidding yourself if you think they'll be going into that kind of fight alone.
yep. it would be nice world war.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Goretooth on August 31, 2011, 06:38:37 pm
what wall? would have been far worse letting them get on our walls and shooting down into the castle and or letting them get our spawns to spawn camp kill.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: LordBerenger on August 31, 2011, 06:43:55 pm
GORETOOTH HWAITING <3  ?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thovex on August 31, 2011, 06:46:56 pm
You're kidding yourself if you think they'll be going into that kind of fight alone.

What stopped them from going into war with Templars, Rose, Shogunate, Remnants of Stratia, Dharan Legions, Legione Italica, Roaming Ranger Company, Those Grubby Serfs and Hashasins in the first strategus?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: okiN on August 31, 2011, 06:56:52 pm
Oh, I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where 22nd, Sea Raiders and De Bitre, and later Greys, RuConquista, STR and Gardarika had no involvement whatsoever. Also, Legio spent more time on DRZ's side than fighting them. :rolleyes:

But hey, feel free to just pretend that never happened, it's cool.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Greziz on August 31, 2011, 07:03:43 pm
I think I Speak on behalf of many BRD when I say I look forward to a war with other players win or lose. Killing N.E was really lame only Hospitallers put up anything resembling a fight. And their defense of their castle was a truely epic fight. Shame on ATS FOREVER for not even vaguely defending themselves just gave away their land not even showing up to sap the enemy forces in any shape form or way with even the 500 freebie units their towns had -.- "Cheer's to DRZ and may the fights be GLORIOUS!"
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on August 31, 2011, 07:06:23 pm
In soviet russia NaP signs you!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: BaleOhay on August 31, 2011, 07:10:10 pm
so far the only unfortunate part looks like the battles are going to be held during work hours. So many of brd will be forced to miss the fun. The normal fun of EU/NA complaints.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thovex on August 31, 2011, 07:23:51 pm
Oh, I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where 22nd, Sea Raiders and De Bitre, and later Greys, RuConquista, STR and Gardarika had no involvement whatsoever. Also, Legio spent more time on DRZ's side than fighting them. :rolleyes:

But hey, feel free to just pretend that never happened, it's cool.

They joined the war way after DRZ started to kill Ninjas.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Malaclypse on August 31, 2011, 07:28:54 pm
Oh man, tomorrow morning is going to be a gauntlet for NA folks who do show up.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Flawless on August 31, 2011, 07:42:03 pm
Isn't chaos allied with Drz? Will Chaos join the war against FCC?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on August 31, 2011, 07:53:08 pm
LETS DO THIS
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Sauce on August 31, 2011, 08:16:13 pm
Bout time we had some real battles.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Matey on August 31, 2011, 08:32:30 pm
Isn't chaos allied with Drz? Will Chaos join the war against FCC?

We still have NAP with Chaos, Ruconquista, Mercs and Black Rose.

As for the war, I have it from Nebun himself, they just came for some Vodka, so we shall have to provide them with some and send them on their way :D
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Kazak on August 31, 2011, 08:36:00 pm
We still have NAP with Chaos, Ruconquista, Mercs and Black Rose.

As for the war, I have it from Nebun himself, they just came for some Vodka, so we shall have to provide them with some and send them on their way :D

Bear is tired of vodka now he needs moar flesh...
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: BaleOhay on August 31, 2011, 08:38:47 pm
Bout time we had some real battles.

NAP so no fighting for you Sausage!!!! you must sit and watch the big kids play.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on August 31, 2011, 08:40:38 pm
Lando's bearing them fangs. Youch.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Sphinxer on August 31, 2011, 08:42:26 pm
So we do all the hard work vs NE while they stand back and watch ... once we clear the empire, they come and attack ... co6aka !
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 31, 2011, 08:53:17 pm
So we do all the hard work vs NE while they stand back and watch ... once we clear the empire, they come and attack ... co6aka !

I'm assuming it's called strategus because in order to be successful you need to employ some form of strategy.  Letting two people fight it out while you build up your forces seems like pretty basic armchair general strategy to me.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: BaleOhay on August 31, 2011, 09:00:27 pm
Lando's bearing them fangs. Youch.

Han brother from a different mother. You too will shoot at lando?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Nebun on August 31, 2011, 09:50:35 pm
We don't want to ally or have deals with those who doesn't have clean/open diplomacy.

And we can't be friends with those who afraid of us, and trying to shield themselves from us with pacts by using other factions to protect them.

However, this war is just for fun, not hate. :-)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Matey on August 31, 2011, 09:56:16 pm
However, this war is just for fun, not hate. :-)

That is the only part I kind of believe :D
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Nebun on August 31, 2011, 10:17:09 pm
and a song to go with it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFIS-8DIYX0)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Matey on August 31, 2011, 10:29:12 pm
I guess our Russian member shall be Gorbachev, and DRZ shall be the Stalin Zombies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyR-_OqC5SQ

lets have some fun, you have enough land, so I think we shall keep ours :D
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Mannhammer on August 31, 2011, 10:35:01 pm
It Has Begun: Choose your side and let the blood flow :twisted:
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Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: BaleOhay on August 31, 2011, 10:44:39 pm
We fear DRZ? I must have missed the memo. Our short stint in Strat has been filled with war and fighting. Sort of the way we like it. This is just another one. Good luck to you on the field.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Matey on August 31, 2011, 11:22:04 pm
I just liked the part when they were our allies in the war against NE... and then made peace with NE as soon as they got the land they wanted with minimal losses, leaving all the fighting for others... hopefully that wasnt just so you could jump us later  :lol:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Torben on August 31, 2011, 11:24:21 pm
I guess our Russian member shall be Gorbachev, and DRZ shall be the Stalin Zombies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyR-_OqC5SQ

lets have some fun, you have enough land, so I think we shall keep ours :D



all-mighty viking gorbachov defeats evil komunist stalin-zombies and brings oh wonderful capitalism to full-bosemed eclaire-sucking maids?  full of win.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Nebun on August 31, 2011, 11:26:35 pm
I just liked the part when they were our allies in the war against NE... and then made peace with NE as soon as they got the land they wanted with minimal losses, leaving all the fighting for others... hopefully that wasnt just so you could jump us later  :lol:

we wasn't ever allies :)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 31, 2011, 11:28:43 pm
we wasn't ever allies :)

Yup, DRZ was just a "Mutual Aggressor" against the NE last I checked.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Matey on August 31, 2011, 11:29:34 pm
we wasn't ever allies :)

not in a "we are allied!" kind of way, but we were allied against a common foe, you wanted us to strike the first blow in that war and we did.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on August 31, 2011, 11:36:24 pm
Han brother from a different mother. You too will shoot at lando?

If it comes to that... I propose we make a Lanbro/Han Brolo mini non aggression pact.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Mtemtko on September 01, 2011, 12:03:13 am
Russians hate americans, will you ever I mean EVER learn that?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Keshian on September 01, 2011, 12:03:45 am
Russians do not love americans, will you ever I mean EVER learn that?

Except vassals  :wink:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: BaleOhay on September 01, 2011, 12:08:21 am
Han my friend. Your honor of the toilet NAP will keep you out of this fight luckily So I need not worry about fighting my brother... Right?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Mannhammer on September 01, 2011, 12:22:15 am
Nice! New world war in Calradia! Well done Druzhina, teach these retards some good manners. You may not like me (and believe me this feeling is mutual), but I hate BRD backstabbers even more, so if you want skilled arbalester I may help you in some battles for free.

So much for the lauded Mercenary Neutrality  :shock:  :lol:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 12:29:52 am
Russians hate americans, will you ever I mean EVER learn that?

Only on cRPG  :wink:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: sWalker on September 01, 2011, 12:42:57 am
It sounds like DRZ feared the sWalker's return from the "land of healing" this weekend...they had to attack early...this makes the sWalker very angry.  You will pay dearly when the sWalker finally returns to his homeland...dearly...
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 01, 2011, 12:47:06 am
Welp, I suppose we'll see you on the field.

Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: sWalker on September 01, 2011, 12:58:31 am
You misunderstand the sWalker, sir Darkkarma...the sWalker loves the idea of War with DRZ; or war in general.  The sWalker is very angry about the timing, because the sWalker can not be there... :evil:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 01, 2011, 01:21:57 am
You misunderstand the sWalker, sir Darkkarma...the sWalker loves the idea of War with DRZ; or war in general.  The sWalker is very angry about the timing, because the sWalker can not be there... :evil:

I was not directing that remark at you good sir. Best of luck to you though, i'm sure your arrows and my bolts will be crossing in this conflict.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: BaleOhay on September 01, 2011, 01:50:54 am
If it comes to that... I propose we make a Lanbro/Han Brolo mini non aggression pact.

breaking a signed and bound pact... I have no brother
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 01, 2011, 01:56:21 am
breaking a signed and bound pact... I have no brother

We broke our word for a reason; a reason involving one of your diplomats. That's all i'll say. I'll have this fist extended for as long as I need it to be, bro.

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Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 02:08:17 am
We all break our words for reasons, bah. We are not all Jokers who just want to see the world burn (though even that is a reason come to think of it, silly joker... why u no like batman?, psh psh psh.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Nebun on September 01, 2011, 02:09:56 am
not in a "we are allied!" kind of way, but we were allied against a common foe, you wanted us to strike the first blow in that war and we did.

not really :) you told us who u going to strike, with whom and when going to strike... we didn't ask u to attack, we simply accepted the fact it will happen

We don't have vassals. Only allies.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Mannhammer on September 01, 2011, 02:20:24 am
The sWalker is very angry about the timing, because the sWalker can not be there... :evil:

Crap this war is going to flame up during the Labor-day weekend isn't it. Lame...





Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Matey on September 01, 2011, 02:27:26 am
We broke our word for a reason; a reason involving one of your diplomats.

Yeah, guess I fail as a diplomat if I can't even keep our best friends from attacking usand betraying a NAP, and continued to trust in them even when everyone else said not to. Live and learn.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tristan on September 01, 2011, 02:35:03 am
Drama?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 01, 2011, 02:35:31 am
Going by your posts, I'm starting to believe that this is more than just a game. If it comes to losing actual friends over a move made solely in the confines of strat then I truly am sorry. Matey's memory appears to be pretty good at the moment so he ought to tell his men the full story as a clan that has not broken it's word since strat started felt betrayed enough to break their NAP with someone they still consider very good friends outside of strat. This is the last post ill make about it in this thread, sorry if this was taken personally.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Goretooth on September 01, 2011, 02:37:17 am
Going by your posts, I'm starting to believe that this is more than just a game. If it comes to losing actual friends over a move made solely in the confines of strat then I truly am sorry. This is the last post ill make about it in this thread.
Just a game have fun and good hunting
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: naduril on September 01, 2011, 02:39:34 am
Yeah, guess I fail as a diplomat if I can't even keep our best friends from attacking usand betraying a NAP, and continued to trust in them even when everyone else said not to. Live and learn.
I am crying :cry: it's so sad...


Guys, stop whine and fight, or the whole world of Calradia will count you as mummy's babbies.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Matey on September 01, 2011, 02:47:55 am
I am crying :cry: it's so sad...


Guys, stop whine and fight, or the whole world of Calradia will count you as mummy's babbies.

pfff, we have been at war since strat came up, I don't think people are going to suddenly decide we dont have the stomach for a fight >.>

Ive no beef with DRZ for their role in this... You guys needed NA friends to help you fight battles vs NA factions and you found them. You saw an opportunity to get two NA factions fighting against each other where you could get involved and get some land out of it... and you found that... twice. You guys have made some pretty impressive moves, and I respect that. It's different with Chaos though since they were supposed to be our dear friends who had our backs, and we even had a very formal NAP with em, whereas they said their alliance with you was Defensive in nature and that joining you in a war you started was completely optional... yet here they are. Sounds kinda personal if they have no obligation to war with us and yet they do anyways.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Braeden on September 01, 2011, 02:49:20 am
I believe I represent the majority of those who were defending in the last area war when I say...

Where's the popcorn?

Edit:

Wait, I have a better one.

Looks like they caught FCC NAPing
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 01, 2011, 02:52:33 am
Looks like they caught FCC NAPing

made me lol +1 to you sir
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: naduril on September 01, 2011, 02:56:56 am
I believe I represent the majority of those who were defending in the last area war when I say...

Where's the popcorn?

Edit:

Wait, I have a better one.

Looks like they caught FCC NAPing

+1  :lol: subtly noticed  :D
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Wiegraf_BRD on September 01, 2011, 02:59:36 am
IT IS A SAD AND MISERABLE DAY WHEN YOU LOSE AN INTERNET FRIEND.

I sure wish I could partake properly in these fights. 

Goodluck to everyone in this war.  If my geek squad of Chinese bandits are still in the area, i'll probably be picking off any of the scrap FCC and DRZ armies.  No hate between anyone, I am just following the role of the Chinese garbage collector. 
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 05:00:03 am
And yet... strangely... people are surprised when their "Agreements" are broken... and yet, also equally strange, are the people who break said agreements and are shocked that people have a problem with it...

I am starting to believe that no one else is noticing the long-lasting pattern of "Clan A backstabs Clan B, Clan B creates Drama, Clan A is surprised that backstabbing causes Drama." This... has happened multiple times sofar in the last few months, you think you kiddos would have gotten over this by now...

Is this pattern still surprising folks?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Dach on September 01, 2011, 06:00:24 am
You guys need to play more RISK kind of game, hahhah  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 06:30:00 am
You guys need to play more RISK kind of game, hahhah  :mrgreen:

I think most people in cRPG would never survive a RISK game!  :lol:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Classical on September 01, 2011, 07:04:22 am
This war is still going to happen, even though it is occurring during the initial release of the Red Orchestra 2 beta? Fucking madness.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 07:05:02 am
And I just got DE:HR Augmented Edition today...
I guess I am sitting this war out.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Classical on September 01, 2011, 07:06:18 am
And I just got DE:HR Augmented Edition today...
I guess I am sitting this war out.

You can joke about that, but we literally almost lost an 1800 man army's worth of equipment to a 200 man Pecores army because we were too busy playing the RO2 beta and none of us showed up, good thing we had one LLJK that showed up and was able to use QMR.

Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 07:07:48 am
OOh, wow  :shock:
I can so see that happening.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Vibe on September 01, 2011, 08:32:26 am
RO2 beta

Why would you play that? :S
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Loki on September 01, 2011, 08:51:37 am
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Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Lordark on September 01, 2011, 09:24:01 am
Hey FCC way to push it to the limit carbones...

The world was ALMOST yours till you decided TO FUCK WITH ME!  8-)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Greziz on September 01, 2011, 09:36:08 am
I am just curious what you did to effect anything Lordark. I loved fighting the hospitallers and I consider you a friend but I am at a loss as to how you specifically are our downfall? From all I can gather is we did strategus a favor for slapping N.E off its imaginary pedestal of greatness. {I am not trying to insult you I know you have sway and maybe used your influence to do something, please do spill the beans ^.^} TUNA TOWN!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Horse_And_Sword on September 01, 2011, 10:08:18 am
Hmmmm, this could only be settled one way........


Duels with black armor and practice daggers on an Alaskan server or, a north pole server. Who ever wins, gets to have everything such as land, troops, monies, and bragging rights :lol:  oh and full strength builds for these duels por favor  :P
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Voso on September 01, 2011, 10:09:53 am
Hmmmm, this could only be settled one way........


Duels with black armor and practice daggers on an Alaskan server or, a north pole server. Who ever wins, gets to have everything such as land, troops, monies, and bragging rights :lol:  oh and full strength builds for these duels por favor  :P

A battle of champions? I like this.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Lordark on September 01, 2011, 10:33:45 am
Your all a buncha greedy little fucks and you gonna get yours now, ok? I dont give a shit if DRZ takes over all of it I just wanna see you punks scatter into the gutter like you deserve!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Greziz on September 01, 2011, 10:58:04 am
We must be so greedy to want land that our clan can have. I am not even vaguely sorry that Northern empire seemed like the only place to attack at the time. We never imagined you would just give us the land but hey all the better right? all and all though looks like we are not even gunna be given time to settle in and move all our furniture in for all our fiefs before we have to "DEFEND" them. Though all the same I look forward to fight N.E associates much more fun to fight you all than most of Eu. There is just so many running archers in EU. I like a little melee you know. And hospitallers you all heart some melee too. I love fighting you all ^.^

Too be fair I am sure EU can sport some good melee but they wisely choose to fall back into archer spam for na ping.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: PhantomZero on September 01, 2011, 02:53:36 pm
OOh, wow  :shock:
I can so see that happening.

Good way to test out retreating, even if unintentional. For 5 minutes of fighting looks like we lost 10 troops, and 2-3 items from each "Stack".

Hell the guys that did show up managed to kill more than they lost, but they evidently got pushed into the spawn and were losing flags.

chadz mentioned the longer the battle lasts, the more costly retreating is.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Varyag on September 01, 2011, 06:10:29 pm
First village rape was nice. Defenders lost more troops than attackers even with low ping and better gear. Doesn't look like Americans have a chance of winning this war. I had k:d 2:1 btw with ping 120. Had lots of fun headshoting Kesh and Matey.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gristle on September 01, 2011, 06:15:35 pm
That was a brutal map, but a good showing on both sides. Today's fighting has only just begun!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Adoptagoat on September 01, 2011, 06:15:54 pm
Oh, I hadn't noticed mercs in the battle breaking their toilet pact as well, becoming more and more of an appropriate name.  Shitty village, and we were outnumbered, don't get too cocky, starfox
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Camaris on September 01, 2011, 06:16:39 pm
First village rape was nice. Defenders lost more troops than attackers even with low ping and better gear. Doesn't look like Americans have a chance of winning this war. I had k:d 2:1 btw with ping 120.

this village was a deathtrap so dont count on such stats in every battle.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 06:17:34 pm
Oh, I hadn't noticed mercs in the battle breaking their toilet pact as well, becoming more and more of an appropriate name.  Shitty village, and we were outnumbered, don't get too cocky, starfox

I noticed that too...

So I guess everyone is a backstabber now hahahahahaha.... oh this amuses the hell out of me, lmao.

"Oh gawd you guys backstabbed us u suck!" *Signs an agreement with clear cut rules* "Hey how do you like that backstab suckers?! HAH"

Am I the only one not laughing his ass off right now?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 01, 2011, 06:17:39 pm
That was a brutal map, but a good showing on both sides. Today's fighting has only just begun!

You had me looking for you the entire map my fellow rhodok crossbower, Good fight BRD.

Also tears, didn't Fallen have a paid for NAP with the NE before you guys broke it? Join the backstabber club!  :wink:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 06:19:15 pm
You had me looking for you the entire map my fellow rhodok crossbower, Good fight BRD.

Also tears, didn't Fallen have a paid for NAP with the NE before you guys broke it? Join the backstabber club!  :wink:


They worded the NAP clause poorly, we followed it to the letter.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Varyag on September 01, 2011, 06:19:38 pm
Quote
Oh, I hadn't noticed mercs in the battle breaking their toilet pact

Mercs did not attack u, fool. Only I did. During our previous war with you backstabbers I made a promise to help whoever fights u. So, I will stand to my word.

P.S. And if it was up to me, I would not hesitate to finish you off with the entire Merc power. Unfortunately I am not decision maker in Mercs, so I can only speak and act for myself.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gristle on September 01, 2011, 06:21:21 pm
You had me looking for you the entire map my fellow rhodok crossbower, Good fight BRD.

Weebo got me from across the map while I was waiting in line at the tent. Who shoots a wounded man?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: ManOfWar on September 01, 2011, 06:43:21 pm

They worded the NAP clause poorly, we followed it to the letter.

What?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 06:46:26 pm
What?

To be blunt:
The Fallen Brigade are Evil.
Lawyers are Evil.
The Fallen Brigade have Lawyers.
Lawyers listen to recordings and read contracts.
Agreements are followed to the Letter Of The Law and not the Spirit Of The Law.
The Fallen Brigade has a reputation for being Evil.
Discuss.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gristle on September 01, 2011, 08:47:05 pm
Two down. Much better that time! Sadly I'll miss the rest of today's fun.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: kukufarikki on September 01, 2011, 09:10:51 pm
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Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 01, 2011, 09:14:02 pm
Crossbows doing well in siege..WHAT?!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 09:15:30 pm
I loled. Score board was unexpected.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: kukufarikki on September 01, 2011, 09:15:39 pm
Crossbows doing well in siege..WHAT?!

u just mad cuz my swag
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Noctivagant on September 01, 2011, 09:21:35 pm
Oh, I hadn't noticed mercs in the battle breaking their toilet pact as well, becoming more and more of an appropriate name.  Shitty village, and we were outnumbered, don't get too cocky, starfox

If we broke the pact, how do you explain the TKOV signing against us yesterday?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gingerpussy on September 01, 2011, 09:22:13 pm
Mercs are not allowed to fight against FCC due to the Brb Toilet pact. However both BRD and Tkov fight against us yesterday so i dont see it as a break when 1 unwilling Merc decide to not listen to Merc leaders.

Mercs stand by there word. and will all ways do so. And the Mather of varyag we will handle internally.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Flawless on September 01, 2011, 09:30:41 pm
Im not really worried about mercs breaking the toilet brb pact. One member isn't enough to go pointing fingers. I would only consider it a breach in contract if they either directly attack us or merc in mass against us. They wont violate their end of their contract and i know we wont either. I wish Chaos was as dependable as our previous enemies. Lol.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 01, 2011, 09:31:50 pm
I think that two months is too long for any pact.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Flawless on September 01, 2011, 09:35:46 pm
It was necessary due to how brutal and ugly that war had become.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Noctivagant on September 01, 2011, 10:12:21 pm
It was necessary due to how brutal and ugly that war had become.

Agreed, I remember Kesh on forums (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwFiefa918#t=1m) that was the most brutal part of the whole war.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Belatu on September 01, 2011, 10:13:03 pm
PARTY!!

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Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: hotcobbler on September 01, 2011, 10:13:40 pm
I can't help but think CHAOS is the most aptly named clan in Strat.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: dynamike on September 01, 2011, 10:18:12 pm
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Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Camaris on September 01, 2011, 11:29:27 pm
This was such a nice evening i enjoyed especially the last battle.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 02, 2011, 12:26:03 am
It was necessary due to how brutal and ugly that war had become.

So long and brutal the war was, that you immediately went into another one right after that one ended.  :wink:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: BaleOhay on September 02, 2011, 12:37:21 am
We won that one... So it was brilliant strategy.  Did not see you much in the first two fight.. DarkHan. The third fight we seemed to be battling often
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 02, 2011, 01:29:46 am
Haha I was definitely there Landohay! I was just trying to not bring about too much attention with all of the Fallen and BRD ranged, I definitely stayed with and hid in the group.  :wink:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Anhy on September 02, 2011, 08:56:34 am
nice ping..... i hate this NA servers  :mad:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thucydides on September 02, 2011, 08:59:16 am
Karma, your bolts hurt. Stop that and fight like a man
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 02, 2011, 09:10:01 am
Karma, your bolts hurt. Stop that and fight like a man

Haha! Your polearms and strengthbuild power strike hurts too much. I glanced on you alot in battle today when I tried to melee.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Penchik on September 02, 2011, 11:05:58 am
мочи козлов!
+1
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on September 02, 2011, 05:51:25 pm
And now, Templars allied their war effort with Drz...  is this the Stockholm syndrome?

Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Rubicon on September 02, 2011, 06:10:53 pm
we took the train on march, opportunities to have great battles are limited in strat now, as far as i've seen, those battles are pretty epic  :wink:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on September 03, 2011, 02:59:23 pm
Hey guys, what is doing Darkula_the_Grey with 7000 troops in Thibault castle?
I don't even speak of the 15k troops army taking Dramug castle which is far far away from your land greys.
Seems to me that THC was a pretty bad excuses to reach your goal...

will you meet with the 4000 troops that have templar_Rubicon at Thibault castle?

All joining their effort in the war against FCC? Is this the new version of UIF (with templar in, lol!!)

All say hail to UIF 2!!!

ps: FCC, i know you are professional backstabbers, but it seems you will find your master, beware of the wind from your south...
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 03, 2011, 03:04:24 pm
Loki your posts are full of fuck.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: okiN on September 03, 2011, 03:09:44 pm
All joining their effort in the war against FCC? Is this the new version of UIF (with templar in, lol!!)

Well, the other option is that they're preparing to attack Wolves, and maybe Mercs, so they can set up Olwen as lord of the Reyvadin area. Since they already wiped out the Wolves' vassal, it would be a natural next step. Little doubt they'll move in to help if DRZ runs into any real trouble, though.

Loki your posts are full of fuck.

You're one to talk. Your mouth is like a bullshit cannon.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 03, 2011, 03:12:27 pm
: ) i do try.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on September 03, 2011, 04:55:22 pm
Well, the other option is that they're preparing to attack Wolves, and maybe Mercs, so they can set up Olwen as lord of the Reyvadin area. Since they already wiped out the Wolves' vassal, it would be a natural next step. Little doubt they'll move in to help if DRZ runs into any real trouble, though.

I doubt it, after Harpag said that he was ashamed that Olwen was with them and that he would be kicked out if he was with them now.

Perhaps as planed, perhaps not. Time will tell
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thucydides on September 03, 2011, 05:27:42 pm
so grey is gonna join in on the gangbang? FCC is like the local tavern wench, EVERYONE GETS A TURN!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: PointBlank9 on September 03, 2011, 05:43:02 pm
I don't see why they would, besides the fact that their friends with DRZ. Looks like they've got plenty fiefs to me. But anythings possible.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Keshian on September 03, 2011, 06:51:57 pm
Yeah, this would make strategus really boring.  Right now DRZ, Chaos, Templars, Hospitallers, ATS, Occitan - all working together to fight us.  If Grey Order joins in (they are allied with 22nd, Risen, BashaBazouk, and Union) it owuld mean 65-70% of the EU players and 40% of the NA players are all working together, so essentially half the entire cRPG playerbase.  Kind of a weak way to win on Strategus as no real honor or challenge in that.  But I guess FCC is pretty intimidating....  we do control the airwaves after all.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: PointBlank9 on September 03, 2011, 06:54:11 pm
Yeah the war seems pretty even in numbers right now
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 03, 2011, 06:57:18 pm
We are working with the factions listed above about as closely as alot of the other EU factions that declared war on the mercs last minute were working with you in your war, only half of the people listed fighting you now are from broken nation with nothing but revenge on their minds and a few thousand troops to do it. They basically told us that they'd put everything they had into seeing that you guys not make it out of this one. It's a similar deal with how LLJK regarded warring with the NE. When you get enough people to strongly dislike you, it's to be expected, and you guys have definitely made some enemies in your constant campaigning. That said, I agree that the Greys joining in wouldn't be very fun. It'd be overkill at this point.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Keshian on September 03, 2011, 07:03:33 pm
only half of the people listed fighting you now are from broken nation with nothing but revenge on their minds and a few thousand troops to do it. They basically told us that they'd put everything they had into seeing that you guys not make it out of this one.

Yeah, that was a clever bit of diplomacy there.  You guys grab some of their free fiefs, but never actually fight them in real battles, whereas we actually duke it out and win, so they join your side against us even though some could say technically speaking you actually had declared war on them and never declared peace, but since no real battles hard to call it war.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 03, 2011, 07:28:39 pm
Sorry, but as stated before, we didn't feel it was necessary to go along with your little baseless, short-sighted whims of going to war for a second time just so that you could help try and pay off the huge check you knew your asses couldn't cash when you wrote it out to all of the NA factions you pleaded to join your cause.( Even then, you still would have been crushed had we not intervened in the first place). We told you guys that we would be helping you fighting in the war with you but on a separate front. We were prepared to go to war whether you guys survived or not, it just so happens that the NE was a paper tiger at the time and folded. I'm not sure how you can hold us accountable for that. Honestly, you give us too much credit in that respect. Given how terribly you guys have handled diplomacy in strat thus far, we would have had a harder time getting lions to eat prime rib.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thucydides on September 03, 2011, 07:42:42 pm
its hard to handle diplomacy when you're the new kid on the block. No claims of fiefdom while the strat server is completely overpopulated. It was either join ecko and his merry band of NA or fight CHAOS and DRZ, Or fight LLJK and their hordes, or engage against EU.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on September 03, 2011, 07:43:29 pm
Well, the other option is that they're preparing to attack Wolves, and maybe Mercs, so they can set up Olwen as lord of the Reyvadin area. Since they already wiped out the Wolves' vassal, it would be a natural next step. Little doubt they'll move in to help if DRZ runs into any real trouble, though.

Another option would be to attack the other faction that are allies with FCC, this could be a good way to help Drz, i mean we all know that Fallens and Hre give troops to FCC, fallens already attacked a Drz fief in the north. If grey attacks Hre and fallen, they will cut the line of supply and Hre/fallen will have to fight in the south and will stop providing troops to FCC...
If i was friend (ally or secret member of UIF 2) of Drz, that is what i will do (if i had armies ofc, lol).


Loki your posts are full of fuck.
Go clean your room and let the grownups talk to each other...
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 03, 2011, 07:52:53 pm
Go clean your room and let the grownups talk to each other...

Lol arnt you like 13 or something?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Keshian on September 03, 2011, 08:01:07 pm
Sorry, but as stated before, we didn't feel it was necessary to go along with your little baseless, short-sighted whims of going to war for a second time just so that you could help try and pay off the huge check you knew your asses couldn't cash when you wrote it out to all of the NA factions you pleaded to join your cause.( Even then, you still would have been crushed had we not intervened in the first place). We told you guys that we would be helping you fighting in the war with you but on a separate front. We were prepared to go to war whether you guys survived or not, it just so happens that the NE was a paper tiger at the time and folded. I'm not sure how you can hold us accountable for that. Honestly, you give us too much credit in that respect. Given how terribly you guys have handled diplomacy in strat thus far, we would have had a harder time getting lions to eat prime rib.

So you admit you didnt go along with the war when we asked, we won despite you and then you came along and demanded Rebache, just because.  We asked for a 2 week non-aggression pact from your ally as it would be foolish to give you a fief and then have your ally attack us a few days later.  You and your ally refused that as just too much to ask for ... obviously your leadership had planned on attacking us as soon as you saw us doing so well against Northern Empire (especially since you satrted sheltering Hospitallers and Occitan within DRZ lands after the first couple days of the war) and getting all these fiefs that you could have had if your leadership was a little more brave.  The grunts in Chaos are great and brave fighters and would always be willing for a fight, but it seem slike the leadership is very much like another NE.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Snickers on September 03, 2011, 08:04:37 pm
Yeah, this would make strategus really boring.  Right now DRZ, Chaos, Templars, Hospitallers, ATS, Occitan - all working together to fight us.  If Grey Order joins in (they are allied with 22nd, Risen, BashaBazouk, and Union) it owuld mean 65-70% of the EU players and 40% of the NA players are all working together, so essentially half the entire cRPG playerbase.  Kind of a weak way to win on Strategus as no real honor or challenge in that.  But I guess FCC is pretty intimidating....  we do control the airwaves after all.

From now on, this war shall be call "The First World War" or "The First Great War of New Calradia".
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thucydides on September 03, 2011, 08:06:59 pm
I feel like i'm a swiss merc in the middle of the italian wars and the french are getting mad at the swiss's success against the ineffective italian cunts.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 03, 2011, 08:10:19 pm
I feel like i'm a swiss merc in the middle of the italian wars and the french are getting mad at the swiss's success against the ineffective italian cunts.

Well put lol
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 03, 2011, 08:36:07 pm
So you admit you didnt go along with the war when we asked, we won despite you and then you came along and demanded Rebache, just because.  We asked for a 2 week non-aggression pact from your ally as it would be foolish to give you a fief and then have your ally attack us a few days later.  You and your ally refused that as just too much to ask for ... obviously your leadership had planned on attacking us as soon as you saw us doing so well against Northern Empire (especially since you satrted sheltering Hospitallers and Occitan within DRZ lands after the first couple days of the war) and getting all these fiefs that you could have had if your leadership was a little more brave.  The grunts in Chaos are great and brave fighters and would always be willing for a fight, but it seem slike the leadership is very much like another NE.

We asked for Rebache because we were going to come and fight regardless, we just didn't join in when you wanted us to. That alone wouldn't be enough to warrant taking Rebache, but considering we abandoned our other plans in the north in order to come help you guys and save you from getting crushed by the Mercs, we thought we were within our rights, and you agreed to it. You didn't try to flip flop on your decision until after the war ended prematurely and you felt we didn't deserve it unless we signed into a formal alliance with you guys, which just isn't fair and you know it. You guys tried doing the same fast and loose diplomacy with DRZ when you wanted to extend your nearly expired NAP and they didn't go for it.

Honestly, seeing the leadership of BRD call us timid or overly cautious is like an alcoholic party animal telling the bookworm that he is wasting his life away studying those books. You guys have been in battle since Strat started basically because you planned things out rather poorly. Even if you look at how the Merc war started you can't tell me it wasn't bad planning. You've basically been living like Unfortunately, a big part of the rockstar lifestyle usually means burning out prematurely.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: BaleOhay on September 03, 2011, 08:44:28 pm
haha but so far it has been one hell of a ride!!!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Classical on September 03, 2011, 08:54:22 pm
You realize the entire point of current Strategus is war, right? chadz has mentioned that in-future he wants to create Strategus into something more than a medieval war simulator, but right now all you can do is build up troops and gold, to have a fucking war. FCC has done a brilliant job at doing that, and has provided many a fun battles, and gained friends from almost every North American clan you can think of in the process of it. I think the FCC is one of the few clans that has had one of the more enjoyable times in this game because of said war, and with their said gained friends from the North American community, they would be able to come back from being wiped out.

The same cannot be said for CHAOS on both accounts of what I just said.

The trick is to take month long breaks and trade Strategus with Europa Universalis III instead.
vvvv
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: SPQR on September 03, 2011, 08:55:51 pm
Honestly, seeing the leadership of BRD call us timid or overly cautious is like an alcoholic party animal telling the bookworm that he is wasting his life away studying those books. You guys have been in battle since Strat started basically because you planned things out rather poorly. Even if you look at how the Merc war started you can't tell me it was bad planning. You've basically been living like Unfortunately, a big part of the rockstar lifestyle usually means burning out prematurely.

I think you've got it backwards, actually. Playing strategus seriously is the fastest way to burn out in this game. Strategus diplomacy is the most soul-crushingly awful experience I've ever had in a video game. It's like being in the middle of a reality show, except everyone is even more bitchy and arrogant than usual, and also everyone is speaking different languages.

There is a reason LLJK has rotating leadership responsibilities, its because none of us can stand running the clan for more than a month or so at a time or we'd uninstall mount and blade and never return.

Now GODKING_PARTYBOY_BIRD, now that motherfucker is onto something. Just roamin' the land fighting whoever he wants. Thats the way to do it.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thucydides on September 03, 2011, 08:56:30 pm
As long as FCC has people feeding them troops, then there will be perpetual war (fun)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Blondin on September 03, 2011, 09:02:20 pm
There is a reason LLJK has rotating leadership responsibilities, its because none of us can stand running the clan for more than a month or so at a time or we'd uninstall mount and blade and never return.

Growl, Bane, Beauchamp, Oberyn (still playing) are good example of what you said.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Keshian on September 03, 2011, 09:07:34 pm
There is a reason LLJK has rotating leadership responsibilities, its because none of us can stand running the clan for more than a month or so at a time or we'd uninstall mount and blade and never return.

Now GODKING_PARTYBOY_BIRD, now that motherfucker is onto something. Just roamin' the land fighting whoever he wants. Thats the way to do it.

Good idea.

BIRD clan.  I think everyone wants to be partyboy, they just don't know how.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: okiN on September 03, 2011, 09:07:57 pm
I doubt it, after Harpag said that he was ashamed that Olwen was with them and that he would be kicked out if he was with them now.

Oh? Last I saw, they both claimed to have parted on friendly terms and that they would remain close. When was this?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 03, 2011, 09:16:15 pm
Don't get me wrong, i'm all for going into battles and having fun but I don't think that should be an excuse for running around, playing recklessly and throwing away all the troops and money you had built up. That would REALLY burn us out. Our members have gotten into plenty of battles, more than LLJK or FCC? Most definitely not, and FCC probably would come back from being wiped out, they've made many friends and they've made many enemies. Both LLJK and BRD were in similar positions at one point if I remember correctly. Had the Union not come to aid LLJK as the massive number of alliances came down on top of them, i'm not sure if the desert would still be afgoonistan. It worked out well for you guys and that's also great, but that is not the position or approach CHAOS wants to take. Even if we were to get wiped out we would also be able to come back from being wiped out, but it would be for different reasons, as our style of diplomacy and way of doing things has been entirely different and I don't think there is any thing wrong with that.

A big part of CHAOS forming in the first place was to take a legitimate, serious approach to Strat. We'd still be RS otherwise. We know we can join battles and  probably do rather well, but we want to have some  territory and be a presence on the map. It's been a learning experience for all of us and I honestly don't think we've done too badly at all thus far.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Kalp on September 03, 2011, 09:16:32 pm
Oh? Last I saw, they both claimed to have parted on friendly terms and that they would remain close. When was this?

Read the topic about DaveUKR. You will know why....
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Classical on September 03, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
Had the Union not come to aid LLJK as the massive number of alliances came down on top of them, i'm not sure if the desert would still be afgoonistan.

The alliances that aided us, did not save us from any immediate danger, we helped each other with a mutual enemy that was reluctant to attack either side of their war front. By the time an attack on the Shogunate was even coordinated, we had dealt with the SeaRaiders, VRN, and some other miniature clans that I don't care enough about to remember.

The only faction that actually helped us in the circumstances you described, might have been Sovereignty of Aegis, and that was just due to territorial disputes.

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A big part of CHAOS forming in the first place was to take a legitimate, serious approach to Strat. We'd still be RS otherwise. We know we can join battles and do probably do rather well, but we want to have some  territory and be a presence on the map. It's been a learning experience for all of us and I honestly don't think we've done too badly at all thus far.

Taking a serious approach to this pile of shit mod is a very hard impossible thing to do in it's current state, so many bugs, exploits, and random shit that always goes wrong. There are no mechanics that you can always count on, something is always changing for the worse, and random unexpected shit always fucking happens. If you take this turd seriously, you're going to regret it massively.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: ManOfWar on September 03, 2011, 09:39:59 pm
Not to mention chadz just unveiled "Stronghold"

Because ya know nothing else needs fixing..................
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thovex on September 03, 2011, 10:32:48 pm
Another option would be to attack the other faction that are allies with FCC, this could be a good way to help Drz, i mean we all know that Fallens and Hre give troops to FCC, fallens already attacked a Drz fief in the north. If grey attacks Hre and fallen, they will cut the line of supply and Hre/fallen will have to fight in the south and will stop providing troops to FCC...
If i was friend (ally or secret member of UIF 2) of Drz, that is what i will do (if i had armies ofc, lol).

Go clean your room and let the grownups talk to each other...

Loki, u fallen?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: kukufarikki on September 03, 2011, 10:42:35 pm
Not to mention chadz just unveiled "Stronghold"

Because ya know nothing else needs fixing..................

you do realize that there is more than one person developing this mod so multiple things are worked on at once..................
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Classical on September 03, 2011, 10:58:59 pm
you do realize that there is more than one person developing this mod so multiple things are worked on at once..................

Logically yes, but nothing about this mods development follows fucking logic.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: okiN on September 03, 2011, 11:05:25 pm
Looks like Zealot got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Read the topic about DaveUKR. You will know why....

Ah, the crack he made about a certain national tragedy? I think it's deleted now, but yeah, that was typical Olwen.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 03, 2011, 11:08:35 pm
Ah, the crack he made about a certain national tragedy? I think it's deleted now, but yeah, that was typical Olwen.

Bit far though even for these forums...
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on September 03, 2011, 11:15:10 pm
Loki, u fallen?

Nope...

And in fact my name is more Gheritarish or Gher' than Loki.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 03, 2011, 11:17:39 pm
Nope...

And in fact my name is more Gheritarish or Gher' than Loki.

Loki it is then.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on September 03, 2011, 11:29:27 pm
Loki it is then.

With pleasure my dear friend,

You are funny sometimes, I'm starting to like you...
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 03, 2011, 11:30:57 pm
With pleasure my dear friend,

You are funny sometimes, I'm starting to like you...

They always do in the end when they realise im not a serious troll just someone bored.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Loki on September 03, 2011, 11:36:55 pm
hahahah pathetic DRZ, get those grey order troops in the fight already.  Since you obviously need help, fuck, get the UIF 2.0 involved too.  Since you can't handle this yourselves it's obvious you need 4/5ths of the map to back you up.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 03, 2011, 11:51:11 pm
I dunno, it is starting to amuse me how much the DRZ are smashing themselves against that castle, let them continue...

I thought the infamous DRZ war machine would far better against the FCC but I guess they ran out of steam too quickly.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 03, 2011, 11:51:15 pm
hahahah pathetic DRZ, get those grey order troops in the fight already.  Since you obviously need help, fuck, get the UIF 2.0 involved too.  Since you can't handle this yourselves it's obvious you need 4/5ths of the map to back you up.

Go on loki get stuck in lad. Some advise, stop and chill, dont get mad, just attack them take them all out!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 12:03:49 am
Your super group is bigger than mine! No fair!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gristle on September 04, 2011, 12:14:59 am
You guys have been in battle since Strat started basically because you planned things out rather poorly.

Actually, if we weren't in battle, we'd be bored as hell. Strat has been great so far! The only thing that went poorly was the ATS war. There was no one to fight! Yes, our spirits are actually pretty high right now.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: tankmen on September 04, 2011, 12:24:06 am
that's why i wanted to join the fun :D
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Warcat on September 04, 2011, 12:24:38 am
Actually, if we weren't in battle, we'd be bored as hell. Strat has been great so far! The only thing that went poorly was the ATS war. There was no one to fight! Yes, our spirits are actually pretty high right now.

+1 to that, not only have they had plenty of excitement, they've also improved quite a bit. Even their vent discipline is getting slightly better over time. Non-stop wars make things fun. I too was a bit disappointed in ATS and TS, at least Hospitallers made for some fun.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: SPQR on September 04, 2011, 12:28:36 am
Looks like Zealot got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Nah we've just had to adopt a "fuck it, whatever" attitude towards strategus since you never know what crazy shit is gonna happen next like:
-Losing an army to hackers
-Suddenly having the defending team become unbeatable
-Uncapturable flags
-Losing your entire army despite winning
-Not losing any equipment after losing a battle, plus gaining the defeated sides equipment
-Gaining multiple copies of the losing teams equipment

Every time you initiate a battle it's like rolling a dice on a catastrophic result table from warhammer or something. Who knows what the fuck will happen!

I guess basically what I'm trying to say is

BIRD CLAN
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Nebun on September 04, 2011, 01:50:12 am
I dunno, it is starting to amuse me how much the DRZ are smashing themselves against that castle, let them continue...

I thought the infamous DRZ war machine would far better against the FCC but I guess they ran out of steam too quickly.

only idiots charge in with all they have :)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: _RXN_ on September 04, 2011, 01:52:01 am
I dunno, it is starting to amuse me how much the DRZ are smashing themselves against that castle, let them continue...

I thought the infamous DRZ war machine would far better against the FCC but I guess they ran out of steam too quickly.

Naive peasant...  :)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 04, 2011, 01:52:52 am
Naive peasant...  :)

Shhhhhhh
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: ManOfWar on September 04, 2011, 01:54:20 am
Shhhhhhh

what he said
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 04, 2011, 02:01:46 am
what he said

I dont want the to spoil the ending its about to get good!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: _RXN_ on September 04, 2011, 02:05:19 am
what he said

Nothing special, just a true quote from Tears_of_Destiny's profile (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;u=4367).  :)
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: okiN on September 04, 2011, 02:11:36 am
I dont want the to spoil the ending its about to get good!

I doubt you (or rather, your masters) are able to pull off anything even remotely surprising.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 04, 2011, 02:16:20 am
I doubt you (or rather, your masters) are able to pull off anything even remotely surprising.

What do you doubt okin? Explain from your observations what you think so far? And then ill copy paste it to send you late.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: okiN on September 04, 2011, 02:19:28 am
Well, there are too many possibilities to list, so let's put it this way: just about the only thing I can think of that would surprise me here would be if the Greys attacked DRZ. Or you, I guess. :lol:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 04, 2011, 02:23:10 am
Well, there are too many possibilities to list, so let's put it this way: just about the only thing I can think of that would surprise me here would be if the Greys attacked DRZ. Or you, I guess. :lol:

Well you stumped me there  :wink:

Was expecting some mad rant...
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Rikthor on September 04, 2011, 02:24:24 am
I too can make blanket statements that cover my bases in case I am wrong. I need to be a mod.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on September 04, 2011, 04:18:09 am
Oh? Last I saw, they both claimed to have parted on friendly terms and that they would remain close. When was this?

Latest post in Olwens faction thread
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Snickers on September 04, 2011, 06:23:56 am
You guys have been in battle since Strat started basically because you planned things out rather poorly. Even if you look at how the Merc war started you can't tell me it was bad planning. You've basically been living like Unfortunately, a big part of the rockstar lifestyle usually means burning out prematurely.

Funny thing is after the war with the mercs ended, Kalam came into vent and said "Who should we attack next?" and every one else  was like  "ATS" or "northern empire", its a game, war is fun.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 06:26:39 am
Funny thing is after the war with the mercs ended, Kalam came into vent and said "Who should we attack next?" and every one else  was like  "ATS" or "northern empire", its a game, war is fun.

I'd agree. That being said,then I really wish your higher ups (Kalam not included) would quit crying foul about being in another war simply because it was you guys getting attacked this time.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Matey on September 04, 2011, 07:04:23 am
you have to expect for people to cry foul when you break your NAP. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't have any grudge with DRZ as they honoured their NAP. I just think it's a pretty big dick move for Chaos to break a NAP with their friends and attack them *shrug*. If it is weird that I am upset by that, then sorry.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 04, 2011, 07:11:15 am
You should all just stop your fighting, shake hands, kiss and make up, and just give me all of your troops.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Dehitay on September 04, 2011, 07:17:35 am
You should all just stop your fighting, shake hands, kiss and make up, and just give me all of your troops.
I thought making out was the next natural step after kissing
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 04, 2011, 07:19:06 am
That comes after the making up and giving me the troops for safekeeping.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 07:27:46 am
you have to expect for people to cry foul when you break your NAP. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't have any grudge with DRZ as they honoured their NAP. I just think it's a pretty big dick move for Chaos to break a NAP with their friends and attack them *shrug*. If it is weird that I am upset by that, then sorry.

It's weirder that you blatantly tell only one side of the story (even when we point out the obvious contradictions) to play yourself out as some sort of betrayed friend and can act legitimately upset about when you and your clan were the biggest advocates of "it's a war game, wars happen lets just have fun." Especially with your shady diplomacy. I feel bad for your clan mates since in the end they are the ones that are suffering from your poor diplomacy. Anyway, sorry to break from the FCC smear campaign, please continue.


Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Matey on September 04, 2011, 07:32:40 am
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Wiegraf_BRD on September 04, 2011, 11:57:24 am
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you have to expect for people to cry foul when you break your NAP. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't have any grudge with DRZ as they honoured their NAP. I just think it's a pretty big dick move for Chaos to break a NAP with their friends and attack them *shrug*. If it is weird that I am upset by that, then sorry.

It's weirder that you blatantly tell only one side of the story (even when we point out the obvious contradictions) to play yourself out as some sort of betrayed friend and can act legitimately upset about when you and your clan were the biggest advocates of "it's a war game, wars happen lets just have fun." Especially with your shady diplomacy. I feel bad for your clan mates since in the end they are the ones that are suffering from your poor diplomacy. Anyway, sorry to break from the FCC smear campaign, please continue.

Mr. Taxi taxi taxi, soutou jeukshi jeukshi jeukshi.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Dehitay on September 04, 2011, 03:51:48 pm
It's weirder that you blatantly tell only one side of the story (even when we point out the obvious contradictions) to play yourself out as some sort of betrayed friend and can act legitimately upset about when you and your clan were the biggest advocates of "it's a war game, wars happen lets just have fun." Especially with your shady diplomacy. I feel bad for your clan mates since in the end they are the ones that are suffering from your poor diplomacy. Anyway, sorry to break from the FCC smear campaign, please continue.

Out of curiosity, what exactly is the other side of the story? From what I gather, FCC said something along the lines of "If you join us in the war against NE, we can give you some villages". Maybe they mentioned Rebache in that statement. Chaos initially refused, but later on, they did actually join the war. However, it happened to be after NE showed little signs of resistance. And I never personally saw a Chaos initiated attack. So it seems Chaos wanted to get physical presence out of it, but didn't actually get anything from the NE war. They went to FCC and I guessed asked them about getting something with expectations due to that initial request from FCC and their help during the Merc war. But FCC didn't believe they deserved anything cause they didn't join in at the start of the battle when they had asked.

Btw, what assistance did you give FCC during the Merc war? I'm under the impression that Chaos joined and then managed to end the war with a peace treaty. I'm sure you probly applied in numbers during the last few battles, but I didn't personally see it. Were you also giving troops and resources to FCC before joining in against the Mercs? I've never seen anything but the peace treaty.

Personally, I don't see anything that really justifies breaking the NAP with FCC, especially if I'm right about you being the ones to negotiate that very treaty in the first place. There's no doubt in my mind that clans go back on their words behind the eyes of the public. I've seen all kinds of backstabbing accusations on this forum and all kinds of claims that other clans are plotting against a propoganda spilling clan. But Chaos is the only clan so far to break their word in such an undeniable way. The peace treaty was placed publicly on the forums weeks ago by Chaos itself. While a lot of other propoganda is based on behind the scenes talk, this is based on something that was well established in the public eye.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Kazak on September 04, 2011, 03:58:01 pm
hahahah pathetic DRZ, get those grey order troops in the fight already. 

 :? :? :? :?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 04:00:58 pm
Feel free to read my previous posts, i've covered the issue rather in depth on several occasions. Some food for thought, this is the first time we blatantly broke our word in strat.. Do you think we'd do it without good reason? ESPECIALLY if strat becomes NA and EU separate int he future? We love your clan, do you honestly think we would have done this to you guys of all people if the people running your diplomatic operations didn't hold true to their word? Also, fact of the matter is that FCC would not have survived the final Merc onslaught had we not stepped in.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Dehitay on September 04, 2011, 04:15:01 pm
Feel free to read my previous posts, i've covered the issue rather in depth on several occasions. Some food for thought, this is the first time we blatantly broke our word in strat.. Do you think we'd do it without good reason? ESPECIALLY if strat becomes NA and EU separate int he future? We love your clan, do you honestly think we would have done this to you guys of all people if the people running your diplomatic operations didn't hold true to their word? Also, fact of the matter is that FCC would not have survived the final Merc onslaught had we not stepped in.

I did read all your previous post which is where I got a lot of the information for my previous post in this thread. And yes, I think you broke your agreement without what I personally consider good reason. Which is why I'm asking if there's any more information here that I'm missing. If I got anything wrong with my theory so far or if I'm missing information, I'd like to know. If I've actually got everything explained correctly, then it's simply that you and whoever made the judgement call has a different opinion of what justifies breaking an NAP than I do.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 04:20:56 pm
I did read all your previous post which is where I got a lot of the information for my previous post in this thread. And yes, I think you broke your agreement without what I personally consider good reason. Which is why I'm asking if there's any more information here that I'm missing. If I got anything wrong with my theory so far or if I'm missing information, I'd like to know. If I've actually got everything explained correctly, then it's simply that you and whoever made the judgement call has a different opinion of what justifies breaking an NAP than I do.

If breaking your word to a faction that left it's territory up north to come down to help you,  saved you from getting wiped out(we also helped you mediate and write up the rules of said treaty), and helped defeat a another common foe on a different front only because you felt the war didn't last long enough for them to deserve it doesn't seem like good enough reason for a clan you considered a friend to support it allies against you, (ANOTHER faction that you rubbed the wrong way through bad diplomacy), then we'd honestly better just agree to disagree, my friend.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on September 04, 2011, 04:22:22 pm
Drz and Chaos you can praize the almighty dankey, thanks the mule, and bless the gold/gear wipe!!
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Dehitay on September 04, 2011, 05:51:00 pm
a faction that left it's territory up north to come down to help you,  saved you from getting wiped out(we also helped you mediate and write up the rules of said treaty)

This is really the part that I'm really curious about. I know it's possible that the FCC could have gotten wiped out with the Merc war, so Chaos' assitance would have been appreciated. But other than the treaty negotiations, I'm not sure what they did. If they actually brought down troops and resources, then they did indeed make a huge contribution. But nobody has so far said that they did so. If they simply joined in on the battles and helped with the peace process, I don't see how this interferes with their work up north. Now if they had villages up north and they lost them cause they gave resources to FCC, then yes, they should be recompensated. Or if they were planning on taking something with their resources but redirected them to the FCC for the Merc war, it would be sensible to recompensate them. But if they didn't actually move resources around to help the FCC, then it would have been entirely possible to do whatever they were doing up north, merc for the FCC during the end of the Merc war, and negotiate the peace process all at the same time. So I guess what I really want to know is:

Did Chaos give resources to the FCC?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Syls on September 04, 2011, 06:04:14 pm
From what I know what Chaos did was to get 9000 troops down south to force diplomatic discussion with the Merc.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Anti on September 04, 2011, 06:05:23 pm
I think FCC and Chaos had to bribe the MERCs into peace with all their lands. Thats why FCC moved north and and fucked with ATS.


'least thats how I see it.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 04, 2011, 06:07:49 pm
I think FCC and Chaos had to bribe the MERCs into peace with all their lands. Thats why FCC moved north and and fucked with ATS.


'least thats how I see it.


Correct. Slimey amerimy old friends.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 06:11:20 pm
Let me put it this way, we amassed all of our troops at the time, ( roughly 8k) moved out of our villages, abandoning our former diplomatic discussions with DRZ (Fenada was taken instantly)and the 22nd about land all in order to come down and give them to BRD in any way they saw fit. At that point we were fully committed to the BRD/Merc war, as we would not have had the resources so early in strat to fend off two war machines in the 22nd, and DRZ on our borders in addition to fighting off an equally formidable force in the Mercs(this is why we were conflicted for a while on what course of action to take in this war).


The Mercs already knew about CHAOS and our reputation in the NA community and was hesitant to have this dragged out any further. And no, BRD getting wiped out had CHAOS not jumped in was not only a possibility, but almost a guaranteed fact(I say almost because nothing can be known for a 100 percent certainty). The Mercs were getting insane amounts of troops from their EU friends and would have easily had enough numbers to take your already weakened villages.To be honest, I don't think the Mercs were aware at the time, but if they'd gotten past that 8-9k army, it probably would have been game over for all of us. Even after the other opportunistic clans jumped on them, it still wasn't enough to stop the Mercs(go look up the "and people Finally Show Their True Colors.." thread to get an idea of how many attacked.) Both Kesh and Matey even admitted on multiple occasions before this war broke out that CHAOS was largely responsible for ending the FCC Merc war, a war in which you guys were on the brink of defeat. I can't comment on which resources we gave to you during the war, aside from committing our troops as i'm not sure of that.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Keshian on September 04, 2011, 06:15:12 pm
This is really the part that I'm really curious about. I know it's possible that the FCC could have gotten wiped out with the Merc war, so Chaos' assitance would have been appreciated. But other than the treaty negotiations, I'm not sure what they did. If they actually brought down troops and resources, then they did indeed make a huge contribution. But nobody has so far said that they did so. If they simply joined in on the battles and helped with the peace process, I don't see how this interferes with their work up north. Now if they had villages up north and they lost them cause they gave resources to FCC, then yes, they should be recompensated. Or if they were planning on taking something with their resources but redirected them to the FCC for the Merc war, it would be sensible to recompensate them. But if they didn't actually move resources around to help the FCC, then it would have been entirely possible to do whatever they were doing up north, merc for the FCC during the end of the Merc war, and negotiate the peace process all at the same time. So I guess what I really want to know is:

Did Chaos give resources to the FCC?

No, but they marched closer to Mercs and said they would attack as they were with us and then immediately started talking peace with them and basically got us to the peace talks by saying they would probably not want to keep "fighting" if we couldn't get to some sort of agreement.  We appreciated their help and wanted to be allies but they said no.  Then they came to us later and mentioned the Merc thing in reference to why we "owed" them Rebache as we never would have negotiated getting the thousands of troops from the Mercs in return for our fiefs if they hadn't gotten involved. 

After taking a day to think about it we offered it in return for a  non-aggression pact with DRZ as they could attack us within 3-4 days and we would have lost our most defensible village to their ally without bleeding any troops from DRZ.  Of course they said no because they were already planning their attack as they ahd been housing Hospitallers and Occitan already as soon as they took the 5 fiefs they had (DRZ gave none to Chaos, I guess they didn't "owe" them any).
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 06:23:41 pm
Kesh you can say what you want about the deal, but the Mercs wouldn't even talk to you at that point. You were in no position to bargain for anything, especially after you started the war and were quite frankly getting your asses kicked even with the at the time rag tag group of clans you promised merc land if and when you guys defeated them.Why would the Mercs trade you your lands for thousands of troops when they could just crush you underfoot and take all of your fiefs with relative ease?? Logic, Kesh. Use it please.

The whole "plotting your downfall in advance" remark is honestly such a crock of shit that it's not even worth dignifying with a thought out response.

I'm going to let you get your Rupert Murdoch style spin on this and be done with it Kesh. I frankly don't have the energy or desire to do this anymore. To be honest, had deal, a person I respect not asked for my clans side of the story, I would not have even bothered talking about it anymore.

See you on the field, you red-haired one-girl spin machine.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: espooo on September 04, 2011, 06:59:35 pm
I don't see why the arguments are still going. Strat gold and items are getting wiped. But from what I have been reading, Dehitay got most of his info right. Let's hope this all straitens out...
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Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Daniel on September 04, 2011, 07:02:21 pm
Kesh you can say what you want about the deal, but the Mercs wouldn't even talk to you at that point. You were in no position to bargain for anything, especially after you started the war and were quite frankly getting your asses kicked even with the at the time rag tag group of clans you promised merc land if and when you guys defeated them.Why would the Mercs trade you your lands for thousands of troops when they could just crush you underfoot and take all of your fiefs with relative ease?? Logic, Kesh. Use it please.

The whole "plotting your downfall in advance" remark is honestly such a crock of shit that it's not even worth dignifying with a thought out response.

I'm going to let you get your Rupert Murdoch style spin on this and be done with it Kesh. I frankly don't have the energy or desire to do this anymore. To be honest, had deal, a person I respect not asked for my clans side of the story, I would not have even bothered talking about it anymore.

See you on the field, you red-haired one-girl spin machine.

....I came.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Keshian on September 04, 2011, 07:12:57 pm
Kesh you can say what you want about the deal, but the Mercs wouldn't even talk to you at that point. You were in no position to bargain for anything, especially after you started the war and were quite frankly getting your asses kicked even with the at the time rag tag group of clans you promised merc land if and when you guys defeated them.Why would the Mercs trade you your lands for thousands of troops when they could just crush you underfoot and take all of your fiefs with relative ease?? Logic, Kesh. Use it please.


See you on the field, you red-haired one-girl spin machine.

We had just killed 12000 of them and only lost 1 village, and still had thousands of troops left ourselves.  Who is running the spin machine then?  Part of the reason you had been willing to get involved at that point was that we had killed off so many of them ( you didnt know at the time that the Mercs ahd just bought another 4000 more troops with cRPG gold from one of the western EU clans), you basically said whoever takes the land gets it and since you were better situated to go on the offensive you were going to make claim to Dhirim area and the surrounding villages (you needed to get out of your constrained area and be able to claim a city more than a need to help us who had been fighting for weeks at that time). 

You marched straight south to start grabbing two of the merc fiefs, when those new 4000 troops the Mercs bought showed up and you immediately started talking peace and convinced us to join in because otherwise you would not continue the "war".  This is not spin but as abre bones facts as I can make it from our discussions with you.  We had settled on the idea of losing Dhirim to you as long as we got someone else actually fighting the mercs.

And like I said we appreciated all of this, and even though we had never promised Rebache we had offered it in return for some peace and quiet through a non-aggression pact for 2 weeks which your allies could not agree to because they were already planning to attack us as they underestimated us just like everyone else has since strategus has started.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Kalam on September 04, 2011, 07:13:15 pm
 Sure, we've got our trolls, and you have yours. Let's ignore that.

 Ultimately, we're in this war because we were asked to hand over a fief knowing that we would be attacked by the north without an extended non-aggression pact or alliance. The only difference is that we wouldn't have had Rebache when Druzhina finally attacked us. So we asked for an alliance. There was clearly some misunderstanding in the wording, but here we are. As CHAOS has mentioned, CHAOS means business. You're serious about winning, and we know Druzhina are, too.
 
 I mean, if there was no attack intended, you wouldn't have minded giving us some sort of commitment, would you?

 Now, it's clear that we see this very differently from you do. I'm not sure how to re-conciliate our separate versions of what happened, but at some point, I would like to see us try. As of now, I still don't have a clear view of the entire debacle.

 Why I care: I still want to see us working together in the future, and just forgetting it then won't erase the hidden hurt feelings that would threaten any relationship.

  Well, that's enough talk for the forums. I'll talk to everyone (my own included) tonight. For now, I've got to go out of town.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 04, 2011, 07:16:21 pm
You should both just never forgive one another and swear to become life long enemies.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Thucydides on September 04, 2011, 07:43:44 pm
You should both just never forgive one another and swear to become life long enemies.
eternal blood war mmm
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Anti on September 04, 2011, 11:05:27 pm
What I don't understand is, why did Chaos Give up its lands if they had so many troops laying around?

If 9k is enough to make them pause, you probably could have gotten a better deal than "If guys don't attack anymore we'll give you all our shit"
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 11:15:56 pm
What I don't understand is, why did Chaos Give up its lands if they had so many troops laying around?

If 9k is enough to make them pause, you probably could have gotten a better deal than "If guys don't attack anymore we'll give you all our shit"

A certain couple EU warmachines were supposedly feeding them troops. Besides, we just wanted to give peace a chance, man.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 04, 2011, 11:21:11 pm
EU warmachines

They are being underestimated at the moment, theres going to be some epic trolling in the next couple of days and im going to be quoting some epic stuff.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 05, 2011, 12:19:36 am
They are being underestimated at the moment, theres going to be some epic trolling in the next couple of days and im going to be quoting some epic stuff.

Oh, you mean after chadz wipes all gold and troops?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 05, 2011, 12:23:21 am
Oh, you mean after chadz wipes all gold and troops?

I mean either way tears. I ment it before and i mean it afterwards. Its amazing some of the shit people come out with.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: VVarlord on September 05, 2011, 12:59:17 am
Hows the castle defence agains the 1000 going? Im getting the feeling the constant flow of 1000 troops isnt so funny anymore : )
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Warcat on September 05, 2011, 01:01:58 am
I'd like to see some massive fist fights with this coming wipe.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Greziz on September 05, 2011, 01:53:31 am
I am loving the constant 1000 fights killing them 3 to 1 over and over is nice.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 05, 2011, 02:44:09 am
Hows the castle defence agains the 1000 going? Im getting the feeling the constant flow of 1000 troops isnt so funny anymore : )

Still funny. lose a couple dozen, kill a couple hundred. Feels like a proper castle.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Anti on September 05, 2011, 04:25:23 am
A certain couple EU warmachines were supposedly feeding them troops. Besides, we just wanted to give peace a chance, man.

'eh I can respect that, but if they are pausing just because you have 9k troops you probably could have gotten MUCH better terms in the first places.

I disliked how the FCC got out of that particular war because it was just "Ok here is our shit, don't hit me anymore...I'm scared." But fuck it, I'm just being a Monday Quarterback now. I'm sure shit made sense at the time.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Greziz on September 05, 2011, 04:27:43 am
Alot of BRD was plenty fine with the idea of fighting to the death. However we had an offer for peace with the proposal we turn immediately around and fuck up the Ats who had they shown support to us we probably coulda won or atleast stood a better chance.

When we took our troops and gold from the peace and assaulted ats we saw it as choosing to go down in flames with a spiteful attack on ATS for staying mega "Neutral" with all that land yet still mercing against us. We never expected them to roll over and die giving us their land.

[This is how I saw our actions atleast maybe our higher up saw much differently.]
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Keshian on September 05, 2011, 06:36:09 am
Alot of BRD was plenty fine with the idea of fighting to the death. However we had an offer for peace with the proposal we turn immediately around and fuck up the Ats who had they shown support to us we probably coulda won or atleast stood a better chance.

When we took our troops and gold from the peace and assaulted ats we saw it as choosing to go down in flames with a spiteful attack on ATS for staying mega "Neutral" with all that land yet still mercing against us. We never expected them to roll over and die giving us their land.

[This is how I saw our actions atleast maybe our higher up saw much differently.]

No that pretty much sums it up pretty well.  part of the reason we got such good negotiations is the fact we were wquite willing to go down fighting and killing off anotheer 12K to 18K troops.  On the other side we had the option to go attack someone who wasn't spending all their cRPG gold buying tens of thousands of troops from EU clans quite willing to help in the fight aginst those "NA" guys.  I actaully had supported heading South and working with LLJK in taking Jamiche at the time, but most of my clan thought attacking an NA clan for once would be a lot more fun.  They ended up being quite right, have had a lot more fun than the first half of strategus.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gristle on September 05, 2011, 06:39:01 am
I thought we were going to keep fighting the Mercs until one of us was completely wiped out. Peace was very sudden, and I had mixed feelings about it.

I personally wanted to go to war with ATS because of their reputation. They always tried to look strong and organized. As someone that has been playing on their servers since Native, I wanted to see if they were all talk or if they could back it up. Also, all of our battles in the Merc war were at horrible times. I wanted an NA war with reasonable times.

The most entertaining thing about all of our wars have been the constant comments from doomsayers. We're still here.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Huey Newton on September 05, 2011, 06:46:41 am
Who's down with FCC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGuGSDsDrM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGuGSDsDrM)
Yeah you know me
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Goretooth on September 05, 2011, 07:31:07 am
I thought we were going to keep fighting the Mercs until one of us was completely wiped out. Peace was very sudden, and I had mixed feelings about it.

I personally wanted to go to war with ATS because of their reputation. They always tried to look strong and organized. As someone that has been playing on their servers since Native, I wanted to see if they were all talk or if they could back it up. Also, all of our battles in the Merc war were at horrible times. I wanted an NA war with reasonable times.

The most entertaining thing about all of our wars have been the constant comments from doomsayers. We're still here.
attack them after a siege and keep their main army pinned down with a vassal that didn't show up to fight?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Huey Newton on September 05, 2011, 08:07:40 am
attack them after a siege and keep their main army pinned down with a vassal that didn't show up to fight?

Would you have done otherwise?
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Goretooth on September 05, 2011, 08:32:15 am
nah i would have waited for a good fight.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Matey on September 05, 2011, 08:33:21 am
you know more about how it went down Goretooth, no need to say silly things. And no hatin on the best Allies anyone could ever ask for. FCC and TKoV been through hell together... over and over again. We would be a hollow shell of our current selves without TKoV.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Visconti on September 05, 2011, 08:53:53 am
attack them after a siege and keep their main army pinned down with a vassal that didn't show up to fight?

We are by no means a vassal....

And thank you matey, all i can say is that its been an honor fighting with the best group of players iv seen since i started playing warband
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 10:05:57 am
We are by no means a vassal....

And thank you matey, all i can say is that its been an honor fighting with the best group of players iv seen since i started playing warband

...
I'd post a gif of some serious deepthroat cock gobbling but then the devs would probably ban me.
So instead I'll reference Google>Images>Bukkake+Gurgling+GIFS
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: naduril on September 05, 2011, 10:08:25 am
...
I'd post a gif of some serious deepthroat cock gobbling but then the devs would probably ban me.
So instead I'll reference Google>Images>Bukkake+Gurgling+GIFS
OMG  :lol:  :mrgreen: thats funny :mrgreen:
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Oberyn on September 05, 2011, 01:34:37 pm
We had just killed 12000 of them and only lost 1 village, and still had thousands of troops left ourselves.  Who is running the spin machine then? 

Conspicuously absent is the number of losses your own alliance suffered. Who is running the spin machine? I think we all know the answer to that. Pretending you had the upper hand in the Merc war when you were about to be destroyed, laughable...Yeah, I'm sure the only reason you accepted the peace treaty is cause CHAOS pushed you into it, otherwise FCC would have obliterated Mercs lolol.
Darkkarmma has it right, Mercs had no idea how many troops CHAOS could bring to the table, if they had known that 9k was it they probably would have continued the war. And their players mostly all have a good reputation on NA servers has far as skill goes, that was also a consideration. They saved your ass, but clearly you're too arrogant/dishonest to recognize it. Would have enjoyed seeing the war play out to it's inevitable conclusion, but you would probably just have blamed something else for the loss. "No fair they bought troops from other clans with gold and promises, boohoo!". I guess it's suave diplomacy when FCC gathers a zerg of miniclans as henchmen, but when others apply diplomacy it's somehow dishonorable cheating right XD.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Keshian on September 05, 2011, 01:36:07 pm
Conspicuously absent is the number of losses your own alliance suffered. Who is running the spin machine? I think we all know the answer to that. Pretending you had the upper hand in the Merc war when you were about to be destroyed, laughable...Yeah, I'm sure the only reason you accepted the peace treaty is cause CHAOS pushed you into it, otherwise FCC would have obliterated Mercs lolol.
Darkkarmma has it right, Mercs had no idea how many troops CHAOS could bring to the table, if they had known that 9k was it they probably would have continued the war. And their players mostly all have a good reputation on NA servers has far as skill goes, that was also a consideration. They saved your ass, but clearly you're too arrogant/dishonest to recognize it. Would have enjoyed seeing the war play out to it's inevitable conclusion, but you would probably just have blamed something else for the loss. "No fair they bought troops from other clans with gold and promises, boohoo!". I guess it's suave diplomacy when FCC gathers a zerg of miniclans as henchmen, but when others apply diplomacy it's somehow dishonorable cheating right XD.

Lol, classic Oberyn.  Not even worth a real response.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Greziz on September 05, 2011, 02:18:55 pm
Never once said we had the upper hand. Just saying we were not worth warring into oblivion. Was a simple and much easier win to just pay us to leave. Sure they could have annihillated us slowly and surely over time but think about how many more weeks of terrible eu vs na time that would have been with us on the defense so all their battles would be on na server. Neither side wanted anything more to do with the other. But one side wanted the land more than the other.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 05, 2011, 04:12:07 pm
Hey look guys, the people not involved in The Great Calradian War are babbling again!

Poor guys probably feel left out.
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Eutheran on September 06, 2011, 08:53:49 am
WHY ISNT THIS LOCKED YET, STOP FLAMING
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Bobthehero on September 06, 2011, 09:28:04 am
Mostly because this thread is fabulous
Title: Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
Post by: Gorath on September 06, 2011, 09:36:12 am
Mostly because this thread is fabulous

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