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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #195 on: September 04, 2011, 02:24:24 am »
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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #196 on: September 04, 2011, 04:18:09 am »
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Oh? Last I saw, they both claimed to have parted on friendly terms and that they would remain close. When was this?

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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #197 on: September 04, 2011, 06:23:56 am »
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You guys have been in battle since Strat started basically because you planned things out rather poorly. Even if you look at how the Merc war started you can't tell me it was bad planning. You've basically been living like Unfortunately, a big part of the rockstar lifestyle usually means burning out prematurely.

Funny thing is after the war with the mercs ended, Kalam came into vent and said "Who should we attack next?" and every one else  was like  "ATS" or "northern empire", its a game, war is fun.
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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #198 on: September 04, 2011, 06:26:39 am »
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Funny thing is after the war with the mercs ended, Kalam came into vent and said "Who should we attack next?" and every one else  was like  "ATS" or "northern empire", its a game, war is fun.

I'd agree. That being said,then I really wish your higher ups (Kalam not included) would quit crying foul about being in another war simply because it was you guys getting attacked this time.
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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #199 on: September 04, 2011, 07:04:23 am »
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you have to expect for people to cry foul when you break your NAP. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't have any grudge with DRZ as they honoured their NAP. I just think it's a pretty big dick move for Chaos to break a NAP with their friends and attack them *shrug*. If it is weird that I am upset by that, then sorry.

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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #200 on: September 04, 2011, 07:11:15 am »
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You should all just stop your fighting, shake hands, kiss and make up, and just give me all of your troops.
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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #201 on: September 04, 2011, 07:17:35 am »
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You should all just stop your fighting, shake hands, kiss and make up, and just give me all of your troops.
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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #202 on: September 04, 2011, 07:19:06 am »
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That comes after the making up and giving me the troops for safekeeping.
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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #203 on: September 04, 2011, 07:27:46 am »
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you have to expect for people to cry foul when you break your NAP. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't have any grudge with DRZ as they honoured their NAP. I just think it's a pretty big dick move for Chaos to break a NAP with their friends and attack them *shrug*. If it is weird that I am upset by that, then sorry.

It's weirder that you blatantly tell only one side of the story (even when we point out the obvious contradictions) to play yourself out as some sort of betrayed friend and can act legitimately upset about when you and your clan were the biggest advocates of "it's a war game, wars happen lets just have fun." Especially with your shady diplomacy. I feel bad for your clan mates since in the end they are the ones that are suffering from your poor diplomacy. Anyway, sorry to break from the FCC smear campaign, please continue.


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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #204 on: September 04, 2011, 07:32:40 am »
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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #205 on: September 04, 2011, 11:57:24 am »
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you have to expect for people to cry foul when you break your NAP. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't have any grudge with DRZ as they honoured their NAP. I just think it's a pretty big dick move for Chaos to break a NAP with their friends and attack them *shrug*. If it is weird that I am upset by that, then sorry.

It's weirder that you blatantly tell only one side of the story (even when we point out the obvious contradictions) to play yourself out as some sort of betrayed friend and can act legitimately upset about when you and your clan were the biggest advocates of "it's a war game, wars happen lets just have fun." Especially with your shady diplomacy. I feel bad for your clan mates since in the end they are the ones that are suffering from your poor diplomacy. Anyway, sorry to break from the FCC smear campaign, please continue.

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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #206 on: September 04, 2011, 03:51:48 pm »
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It's weirder that you blatantly tell only one side of the story (even when we point out the obvious contradictions) to play yourself out as some sort of betrayed friend and can act legitimately upset about when you and your clan were the biggest advocates of "it's a war game, wars happen lets just have fun." Especially with your shady diplomacy. I feel bad for your clan mates since in the end they are the ones that are suffering from your poor diplomacy. Anyway, sorry to break from the FCC smear campaign, please continue.

Out of curiosity, what exactly is the other side of the story? From what I gather, FCC said something along the lines of "If you join us in the war against NE, we can give you some villages". Maybe they mentioned Rebache in that statement. Chaos initially refused, but later on, they did actually join the war. However, it happened to be after NE showed little signs of resistance. And I never personally saw a Chaos initiated attack. So it seems Chaos wanted to get physical presence out of it, but didn't actually get anything from the NE war. They went to FCC and I guessed asked them about getting something with expectations due to that initial request from FCC and their help during the Merc war. But FCC didn't believe they deserved anything cause they didn't join in at the start of the battle when they had asked.

Btw, what assistance did you give FCC during the Merc war? I'm under the impression that Chaos joined and then managed to end the war with a peace treaty. I'm sure you probly applied in numbers during the last few battles, but I didn't personally see it. Were you also giving troops and resources to FCC before joining in against the Mercs? I've never seen anything but the peace treaty.

Personally, I don't see anything that really justifies breaking the NAP with FCC, especially if I'm right about you being the ones to negotiate that very treaty in the first place. There's no doubt in my mind that clans go back on their words behind the eyes of the public. I've seen all kinds of backstabbing accusations on this forum and all kinds of claims that other clans are plotting against a propoganda spilling clan. But Chaos is the only clan so far to break their word in such an undeniable way. The peace treaty was placed publicly on the forums weeks ago by Chaos itself. While a lot of other propoganda is based on behind the scenes talk, this is based on something that was well established in the public eye.

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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #207 on: September 04, 2011, 03:58:01 pm »
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hahahah pathetic DRZ, get those grey order troops in the fight already. 

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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #208 on: September 04, 2011, 04:00:58 pm »
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Feel free to read my previous posts, i've covered the issue rather in depth on several occasions. Some food for thought, this is the first time we blatantly broke our word in strat.. Do you think we'd do it without good reason? ESPECIALLY if strat becomes NA and EU separate int he future? We love your clan, do you honestly think we would have done this to you guys of all people if the people running your diplomatic operations didn't hold true to their word? Also, fact of the matter is that FCC would not have survived the final Merc onslaught had we not stepped in.
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Re: War: Druzhina Vs FCC
« Reply #209 on: September 04, 2011, 04:15:01 pm »
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Feel free to read my previous posts, i've covered the issue rather in depth on several occasions. Some food for thought, this is the first time we blatantly broke our word in strat.. Do you think we'd do it without good reason? ESPECIALLY if strat becomes NA and EU separate int he future? We love your clan, do you honestly think we would have done this to you guys of all people if the people running your diplomatic operations didn't hold true to their word? Also, fact of the matter is that FCC would not have survived the final Merc onslaught had we not stepped in.

I did read all your previous post which is where I got a lot of the information for my previous post in this thread. And yes, I think you broke your agreement without what I personally consider good reason. Which is why I'm asking if there's any more information here that I'm missing. If I got anything wrong with my theory so far or if I'm missing information, I'd like to know. If I've actually got everything explained correctly, then it's simply that you and whoever made the judgement call has a different opinion of what justifies breaking an NAP than I do.