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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Patricklus on August 26, 2011, 09:23:26 am
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I think its messed up that I can use a white tunic over mai, nordic helm, leather boots, gloves, heavy lance, and destrier and even with a x5 an all 5 ticks it wont cover my repair bills. chadz if you read this you should reconsider how high you have made repair costs.If I use heraldic mail with tabard, klappvisor, leather gauntlets, splinted greaves with spurs, destrier, heavy lance, and bec my repair bill is almost triple what I could make in one round with x5 an 5 ticks.
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repair costs are awesome, stop moaning bro. use shitty equipment
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I use black plate and bec and plated charger AND I LOSE MONIES
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i already use shitty equip "bro" read the post
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i already use shitty equip "bro" read the post
destrier is not shitty, bro
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destrier is not armor "bro" im saying if i plan on being a horseman for any longer i need lower repair costs i have blown through about 20-30k in 3 days. and my archer friend has same problem he wears white tunic over mail leather gloves/boots and no helm with horn bow, 2 bodkin arrows, and a 1h wep and he has blown through about 15-20k in 4 days. you think thats not too high? not all of us have over 600k too sit on
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I use black plate and bec and plated charger AND I LOSE MONIES
that edit feel
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destrier is not armor "bro" im saying if i plan on being a horseman for any longer i need lower repair costs i have blown through about 20-30k in 3 days. and my archer friend has same problem he wears white tunic over mail leather gloves/boots and no helm with horn bow, 2 bodkin arrows, and a 1h wep and he has blown through about 15-20k in 4 days. you think thats not too high? not all of us have over 600k too sit on
Use a cheaper horse and your friend should use cheaper arrows.
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even with a rouncy and rus boot im still at 35,838 gold which is losing money but you cant play and survive arrows for more than 30 secs with that going on. and he cant keep up with other bowmen with triple loomed bows an arrows unless he uses bodkin and tatar arrows he still loses money. stop trolling im being serious
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even with a rouncy and rus boot im still at 35,838 gold which is losing money but you cant play and survive arrows for more than 30 secs with that going on. and he cant keep up with other bowmen with triple loomed bows an arrows unless he uses bodkin and tatar arrows he still loses money. stop trolling im being serious
Last post was completely serious. Either use equipment in the affordable price range OR use peasant equipment for a few maps to earn a nice amount of gold then use heavier equipment.
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in either of those price ranges you will get one shotted by crossbows and 2 shotted by bows on horseback need too be able too take atleast 3 hits and the build i have is only build that can handle that
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in either of those price ranges you will get one shotted by crossbows and 2 shotted by bows on horseback need too be able too take atleast 3 hits and the build i have is only build that can handle that
Then use the second option, play in peasant gear for a few maps then switch to better.
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im 16/18 build with 5 ironflesh in peasent gear i get 1 shotted by crossbows on horseback an 2 shotted by bows. not an option if i expect too compete
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+1
FIX repair costs or x1 = 100 gold
This is only game and for fun but repair costs block fun.
German Great 1000 gold for repair. Its made from Germany why need repair lol :P
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im 16/18 build with 5 ironflesh in peasent gear i get 1 shotted by crossbows on horseback an 2 shotted by bows. not an option if i expect too compete
Who said peasant gear is to compete? It's to pile up gold.
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yea keep on trolling. you dont have fun dying every 5 secs do you ? even if they just lowered the repair costs on horses/weapon would help greatly cant use a heavy lance horse and a wep and make money even in peasent gear unless i ride a sumpter. not an option
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Was just telling you what your options are, but you are too stubborn.
Enjoy losing your gold.
Also, I don't die every 5 secs with tabard+leather gloves+staff, most of the times I even get a KD of 1.
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well im no badass.. and yes i am stubborn
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Repair costs are way too low.
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I agree upkeep should be higher.
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Not being able to go in horseman gear every round.. Working as intended.
Raise upkeep, it's too low.
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The problem of upkeep imo is that it's too random.
It should be a fix % of your total gear cost each round. Even if your total gear cost is quite low (20-30k), you can still lose a lot of money if you're unlucky enough to have your 8k weapon or armor break almost every round.
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yea they just dont play cav so they dont know and they dont want too know they have all the gold they need so they dont care
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Build up a buffer and you should be fine
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I played cav last gen, will play cav next gen, i don't have a lot of money, but i use low/mid tier gear.
So yeah i care that upkeep is raised!
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Was making money nicely on battles servers with a steppe horse, heraldic mail with tabard, mail gauntlets, mail chausses, kettle helmet, knigtly heater shield and 1h weapon.
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Or sell one loompoint and you should be fine with gold for the rest of your days
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Or sell one loompoint and you should be fine with gold for the rest of your days
This.
Offer it for 400k +, easiest way to get the money u need.
Cav is a freaking deadly class, it costs alot of money :-)
P.S:
I perfectly recall days WITHOUT ANY CAV... So u better spend time on solving ur problem instead of pointing your finger on ppl who grinded the shit out of the game ;-)
Sell the loompoint and you ll never have to be whiny again!!!
Vibe aint trolling, he gives u short, simple solutions :-)
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Here's the solution to all yer upkeep problems.
Get a fresh character Gen 1.
Level up to 20-25 and then right before you gain lvl 26, respec and keep doing this.
Because as Gen 1 you pay nothing in upkeep gold and thus u can use Tincan suit and plated charger all day long with no upkeep.
16/18 build is pretty fun and u can still be successful.
(16 Str being for u can use Black Armor / Milanese Plate etc...).
You pay nothing at all for upkeep. It's a perfect way to play tincan/heavy cav as.
Just like good old times :D Except gold gain is better and there's multi.
I expect chadz to nerf this next patch or so however (can't let people have fun ;/).
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The majority is fine with the upkeep. It is, as always, a loud minority that tries to lobby.
I know you are upset, because you cannot afford the best equipment possible anymore. Or at least not all of the time. But I have to tell you, that was never intended. It is a bug, if you will.
People got so used to wearing the most expensive stuff all the time. It was our fault for not dealing with this earlier, because this is not how we want to see our game go. While we are not that much into reality in detail, we want to preserve a "global realism". And as many people have stated, wars and skirmishes weren't fought by platers, it was fought by poor people. Before the latest patch, I was wearing everything. I had high end armor, even gauntlets, an occasional horse, a big ass polearm and a secondary polearm that was faster. And I was still earning money.
This was not intended. I'd say it's different now (it isn't really because the upkeep increase was like 5 to 10% from the previous cost), but our idea is that you have to make a choice. Go for armor strength or for weapon strenght. Not both. If you want both, pay for it.
chadz quote on upkeep ^
I'd suggest downgrading your horse. I'm an HA and use steppe armour, leather gloves, nomad boots, horn bow, 3 sets of barbed arrows and a Courser costing around 34k in total. I have a steady buffer of about 35k gold for the bad days where I bleed money with no multipliers and repairs on the horse happen more than normal and the days where GK decide to use our Mamluks in heavy horse charges. But otherwise it's perfectly manageable. I'd suggest downgrading from the Destrier to a lower tier horse until you've built up some funds. Or if you want to be really extreme, sell a loom point when you get one.
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No need to do anything people say from now on. Keep grinding ur char as usually with cheap gear whenever u feel like it.
And then get a Gen 1 char as i explained and take the most expensive stuff u want for the class/build ur playing as atm. WIth the no upkeep thingie.
Problem solved.
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Make cheaper gear easier to repair, but make all things over 15k much more expensive to repair.
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Not being able to go in horseman gear every round.. Working as intended.
Raise upkeep, it's too low.
So the dev team doesn't want cavalry in it's mod ?
Not allowing even a minimal horse (don't come in with skill 2 or 3 horses... no one considers the cheap weapons as viable so I don't see why it would be the case for horses) constantly just means that only cav fanboys will waste skill points in something barely giving an advantage and that you can't even use all the time (afaik, an archer can come with a longbow every round without loosing money, and a 2h can bring a flamberge all the time without problems too, with better armor than the horseman with a rouncey).
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Make cheaper gear easier to repair, but make all things over 15k much more expensive to repair.
Bad idea.
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RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!
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Still think upkeep is too low, especially on high-end gear. Since the valor patch, I've made over 200k gold on my polearm alt. It's WAY too easy to make money now. That being said, keep valor, it's totally awesome. :mrgreen:
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Still think upkeep is too low, especially on high-end gear. Since the valor patch, I've made over 200k gold on my polearm alt. It's WAY too easy to make money now. That being said, keep valor, it's totally awesome. :mrgreen:
It's alright for some. A cav build will struggle to earn any money a lot of the time.
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Not being able to go in horseman gear every round.. Working as intended.
Raise upkeep, it's too low.
Actually, upkeep for horses is different than upkeep of any other item. Seems that the higher riding you lower chances to pay for upkeep (I know that this works for weapons which are linked to wpf). So if you have high enough riding you'll rarely pay for your horse (when I was 1H horseman with 6 riding I had to pay for my Destrier maybe 20 times tops until I hit lvl 31). There are lot of armored horseman out there. If they had to pay for upkeep frequently like you have to pay for most weapons and armor, they wouldn't ride those elephants every goddamn round.
Solution: make horses a lot more expensive, don't touch the other stuff cause it's okay atm.
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If you want to make money while still having good gear try this. When you are on X5 just look at the numbers of people left.
If it is obvious that you are going to loose try staying alive the last or at least in the last 5 range. You will probably get valour and continue your multi.
I tried doing it extreme once, like hiding in some hole waiting to be last, had atleast x3 for 6 maps in a row
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chadz quote on upkeep ^
I'd suggest downgrading your horse. I'm an HA and use steppe armour, leather gloves, nomad boots, horn bow, 3 sets of barbed arrows and a Courser costing around 34k in total. I have a steady buffer of about 35k gold for the bad days where I bleed money with no multipliers and repairs on the horse happen more than normal and the days where GK decide to use our Mamluks in heavy horse charges. But otherwise it's perfectly manageable. I'd suggest downgrading from the Destrier to a lower tier horse until you've built up some funds. Or if you want to be really extreme, sell a loom point when you get one.
chadz have no clue considering most old gen stackers have no problem with upkeep thx to the marketplace and a huge amount of gold stored i know some people who are close to having about 2 million gold stored away they couldnt careless the current upkeep rate only screw over new players or people with lifes that cant be arsed to play 24/7 grinding gold n looms.
Also some people tend to forgot how long it took for devs to fix the no upkeep bug so some people will never take notice of the upkeep
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chadz have no clue considering most old gen stackers have no problem with upkeep thx to the marketplace and a huge amount of gold stored i know some people who are close to having about 2 million gold stored away they couldnt careless the current upkeep rate only screw over new players or people with lifes that cant be arsed to play 24/7 grinding gold n looms.
Also some people tend to forgot how long it took for devs to fix the no upkeep bug so some people will never take notice of the upkeep
This is a good point actually.
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This is a good point actually.
Its a fuckin brilliant point
But also fuckin sad nonetheless :rolleyes:
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So the dev team doesn't want cavalry in it's mod ?
Not allowing even a minimal horse (don't come in with skill 2 or 3 horses... no one considers the cheap weapons as viable so I don't see why it would be the case for horses) constantly just means that only cav fanboys will waste skill points in something barely giving an advantage and that you can't even use all the time (afaik, an archer can come with a longbow every round without loosing money, and a 2h can bring a flamberge all the time without problems too, with better armor than the horseman with a rouncey).
Invalid.
Example:
Equally skilled 2 h player vs. cav player.
Judging by the still unbelievably high amount of deaf, stupid or unaware players CAV was and still is the deadliest force on the battlefield.
Hell lot of cav players know when and where to attack, their strikes come sudden and sneaky.
On many maps cav is the decisive part.
They simply pay for being really important, I am happy not every dummy is allowed to play it.
I am a 2 h player, I can raise my options with a xbow+ bolts even, but be sure, in worst case, my expenses can reach 2.5 k gold or more too, easily (not wearing plate)
Yet I am mostly not able to match the killcounts of equally skilled cav players.....and thats okay, but needs to be reflected by upkeep imho.
In my opinion the importance / power of classes was never reflected so good in this mod then it is now (by upkeep)
About new players:
Let them grind over 1000 hours and talk afterwards.
With the marketplace its dumbeasy to get gold.
Before marketplace you had to grind some hundred hours to get 400k gold.
Now you need ONE gen.
U see the difference?
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What's the interest to have 2 million gold?
I mean only use of gold is to have better gear or to pay upkeep, no need to have tons of gold for that., 30/50k makes the deal.
If it's to buy Heirloom, i guess the time you take to grind that money will make you level 31...
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Actually, upkeep for horses is different than upkeep of any other item. Seems that the higher riding you lower chances to pay for upkeep (I know that this works for weapons which are linked to wpf). So if you have high enough riding you'll rarely pay for your horse (when I was 1H horseman with 6 riding I had to pay for my Destrier maybe 20 times tops until I hit lvl 31). There are lot of armored horseman out there. If they had to pay for upkeep frequently like you have to pay for most weapons and armor, they wouldn't ride those elephants every goddamn round.
Solution: make horses a lot more expensive, don't touch the other stuff cause it's okay atm.
Biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard. Even if it is tied to riding, I have 6 riding and my courser was repaired 3 times in the space of 10 rounds today, and yes I have been counting, not made up. That's 1300 a pop. It's also tied to length of rounds, so if rounds last longer, increased breakability. Hell my horse gets repaired more than my bow. Also more than my Danish on my 2h char which gets repaired regularly only twice in 15 rounds. But regardless, you either didn't notice when your horse got repaired, or used your horse for only a tiny portion of those 31 levels, or were just bloody lucky for 1 gen.
chadz have no clue considering most old gen stackers have no problem with upkeep thx to the marketplace and a huge amount of gold stored i know some people who are close to having about 2 million gold stored away they couldnt careless the current upkeep rate only screw over new players or people with lifes that cant be arsed to play 24/7 grinding gold n looms.
Also some people tend to forgot how long it took for devs to fix the no upkeep bug so some people will never take notice of the upkeep
Needless to say, what chadz says goes. That was a 17 page thread arguing about upkeep until he finally said that. Pretty clear it's not gonna change. If you want gold, sell stuff in the marketplace. Otherwise manage your equip carefully so you gain a slight amount of gold. It's still fun to play and really there aren't that many people running around in plate, and if they are, they are easy enough to kill.
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Don't be such a little girl, I gain money in full plate.
*voted no*
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Here's the solution to all yer upkeep problems.
Get a fresh character Gen 1.
Level up to 20-25 and then right before you gain lvl 26, respec and keep doing this.
Because as Gen 1 you pay nothing in upkeep gold and thus u can use Tincan suit and plated charger all day long with no upkeep.
16/18 build is pretty fun and u can still be successful.
(16 Str being for u can use Black Armor / Milanese Plate etc...).
You pay nothing at all for upkeep. It's a perfect way to play tincan/heavy cav as.
Just like good old times :D Except gold gain is better and there's multi.
I expect chadz to nerf this next patch or so however (can't let people have fun ;/).
Again....
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im not trying too use heavy armor im saying i cant even wear med armor an ride cav without massive repair costs. and you need med armor while riding cav too sustain arrow hits alone, like heraldic mail with tabard splinted greaves with spurs klappface helm, with your lance and a bec or long hafted blade only 2 decent polearms imo and horse is over 2-3k each round even if i played for a map with x5 for 5 rounds i would make 6250 a map, and in two rounds thats gone. thats not too high?i would start posting screens if i thought it would mean anything
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That is somewhat heavy armor, especially when you are using a horse... I wouldn't be surprised about losing money with that gear.
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im not trying too use heavy armor im saying i cant even wear med armor an ride cav without massive repair costs. and you need med armor while riding cav too sustain arrow hits alone, like heraldic mail with tabard splinted greaves with spurs klappface helm, with your lance and a bec or long hafted blade only 2 decent polearms imo and horse is over 2-3k each round even if i played for a map with x5 for 5 rounds i would make 6250 a map, and in two rounds thats gone. thats not too high?i would start posting screens if i thought it would mean anything
I often use lamellar (half the cost of the heraldic mail), that can take 3-4 bodkin arrows easily, 2 if the speed bonus is really against you but mostly it isn't. Crossbows not so good, but I find it is more than adequate, as do a lot of GK who use it, and you don't lose any money with it :) I use steppe armour on less populated servers, but for EU 1 I always use lamellar due to the sheer number of stuff flying around. Khergit war helmet, leather gloves and nomad boots and you'll be fine. The helm you use is a bit pricey, the Khergit war helm is 5k less and provides plenty of protection.
Thing is, as cav your not supposed to take lots of hits. As long as you sustain 3-4 arrows you should be fine. If you get close enough to an enemy to be piked ect, then you would probably die due the the speed bonus regardless. And most cav don't get anywhere near that close, your job is to keep away and dive in when you see an opportunity. Not ride head first into the fight. The mistake many cav (myself included) make, is rushing into the fight to early and not waiting till your team is in melee with them.
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Hmmm... Am I the only guy who notices the recent significant increase in the number on tincans not only on the NA battle, but also on the NA siege servers? When I actually try to find the melee guy in the worst armor there it appears to be +35-39 mail.
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Hmm on EU 1 when it's around 80 players I often only see 2 tin cans a side max. It may be it's an NA thing?
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I often use lamellar (half the cost of the heraldic mail), that can take 3-4 bodkin arrows easily, 2 if the speed bonus is really against you but mostly it isn't. Crossbows not so good, but I find it is more than adequate, as do a lot of GK who use it, and you don't lose any money with it :) I use steppe armour on less populated servers, but for EU 1 I always use lamellar due to the sheer number of stuff flying around. Khergit war helmet, leather gloves and nomad boots and you'll be fine. The helm you use is a bit pricey, the Khergit war helm is 5k less and provides plenty of protection.
Thing is, as cav your not supposed to take lots of hits. As long as you sustain 3-4 arrows you should be fine. If you get close enough to an enemy to be piked ect, then you would probably die due the the speed bonus regardless. And most cav don't get anywhere near that close, your job is to keep away and dive in when you see an opportunity. Not ride head first into the fight. The mistake many cav (myself included) make, is rushing into the fight to early and not waiting till your team is in melee with them.
you aren't completely wrong, but as 1handed cav(me) you do have to be able to take some hits, i know you play mostly as a HA, and with that class you don't have to have any armor really. i also use heavy boots, because i get hit in the feet a lot, i also have lemellar, which can take 3 hits before i get killed, i also use a destrier, because when you run into a wall or something, and you stop, and youre surrounded by 2-3 enemies, you want to get out alive, so they can usually strike 5 times or so, i can avoid 2 easely, but 3 still hit me and/or my horse, and if you have a courser or rouncey, or even an arab! you will never survive that situation. all the gear i have is chosen because of armor, my body armor, my horse, my foot armor even my head armor. yes, i know 52k is at the top of the
"making money-losing money" ladder, but it works best for me, i personally dislike the current upkeep system, because especially as cav, it can get you bankrupt in just a few hours. maybe it should be class based?
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you aren't completely wrong, but as 1handed cav(me) you do have to be able to take some hits, i know you play mostly as a HA, and with that class you don't have to have any armor really. i also use heavy boots, because i get hit in the feet a lot, i also have lemellar, which can take 3 hits before i get killed, i also use a destrier, because when you run into a wall or something, and you stop, and youre surrounded by 2-3 enemies, you want to get out alive, so they can usually strike 5 times or so, i can avoid 2 easely, but 3 still hit me and/or my horse, and if you have a courser or rouncey, or even an arab! you will never survive that situation. all the gear i have is chosen because of armor, my body armor, my horse, my foot armor even my head armor. yes, i know 52k is at the top of the
"making money-losing money" ladder, but it works best for me, i personally dislike the current upkeep system, because especially as cav, it can get you bankrupt in just a few hours. maybe it should be class based?
Well I was talking from a lancer perspective as well. Most of GK use Lamellar, HA and Lancers. But fair enough then, that makes sense.
It probably should be class based to be fair. But not sure if they'd ever agree to that :P
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Bad idea.
Explain why?
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repair costs are just fine for me, why u cry?
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repair costs are just fine for me, why u cry?
cuz i'm cav
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cuz i'm cav
when a cav buys his first horse he has to sign for it in blood...
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when a cav buys his first horse he has to sign for it in blood...
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ìndeed, not with gold
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yea for any cav its too expensive