REPAIR COSTS ARE WAY TOO HIGH

[LordBerenger]

No need to do anything people say from now on. Keep grinding ur char as usually with cheap gear whenever u feel like it.

And then get a Gen 1 char as i explained and take the most expensive stuff u want for the class/build ur playing as atm. WIth the no upkeep thingie.

Problem solved.

[Aleskander]

Make cheaper gear easier to repair, but make all things over 15k much more expensive to repair.

[Kafein]

Not being able to go in horseman gear every round.. Working as intended.

Raise upkeep, it's too low.

So the dev team doesn't want cavalry in it's mod ?


Not allowing even a minimal horse (don't come in with skill 2 or 3 horses... no one considers the cheap weapons as viable so I don't see why it would be the case for horses) constantly just means that only cav fanboys will waste skill points in something barely giving an advantage and that you can't even use all the time (afaik, an archer can come with a longbow every round without loosing money, and a 2h can bring a flamberge all the time without problems too, with better armor than the horseman with a rouncey).

[Overdriven]

Make cheaper gear easier to repair, but make all things over 15k much more expensive to repair.

Bad idea.

[[ptx]]

RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!

[rustyspoon]

Still think upkeep is too low, especially on high-end gear. Since the valor patch, I've made over 200k gold on my polearm alt. It's WAY too easy to make money now. That being said, keep valor, it's totally awesome. 

[Overdriven]

Still think upkeep is too low, especially on high-end gear. Since the valor patch, I've made over 200k gold on my polearm alt. It's WAY too easy to make money now. That being said, keep valor, it's totally awesome. 

It's alright for some. A cav build will struggle to earn any money a lot of the time.

[Leshma]

Not being able to go in horseman gear every round.. Working as intended.

Raise upkeep, it's too low.

Actually, upkeep for horses is different than upkeep of any other item. Seems that the higher riding you lower chances to pay for upkeep (I know that this works for weapons which are linked to wpf). So if you have high enough riding you'll rarely pay for your horse (when I was 1H horseman with 6 riding I had to pay for my Destrier maybe 20 times tops until I hit lvl 31). There are lot of armored horseman out there. If they had to pay for upkeep frequently like you have to pay for most weapons and armor, they wouldn't ride those elephants every goddamn round.

Solution: make horses a lot more expensive, don't touch the other stuff cause it's okay atm.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

If you want to make money while still having good gear try this. When you are on X5 just look at the numbers of people left.

If it is obvious that you are going to loose try staying alive the last or at least in the last 5 range. You will probably get valour and continue your multi.

I tried doing it extreme once, like hiding in some hole waiting to be last, had atleast x3 for 6 maps in a row

[Tzar]

chadz quote on upkeep ^

I'd suggest downgrading your horse. I'm an HA and use steppe armour, leather gloves, nomad boots, horn bow, 3 sets of barbed arrows and a Courser costing around 34k in total. I have a steady buffer of about 35k gold for the bad days where I bleed money with no multipliers and repairs on the horse happen more than normal and the days where GK decide to use our Mamluks in heavy horse charges. But otherwise it's perfectly manageable. I'd suggest downgrading from the Destrier to a lower tier horse until you've built up some funds. Or if you want to be really extreme, sell a loom point when you get one.

chadz have no clue considering most old gen stackers have no problem with upkeep thx to the marketplace and a huge amount of gold stored i know some people who are close to having about 2 million gold stored away they couldnt careless the current upkeep rate only screw over new players or people with lifes that cant be arsed to play 24/7 grinding gold n looms.

Also some people tend to forgot how long it took for devs to fix the no upkeep bug so some people will never take notice of the upkeep

[Vibe]

chadz have no clue considering most old gen stackers have no problem with upkeep thx to the marketplace and a huge amount of gold stored i know some people who are close to having about 2 million gold stored away they couldnt careless the current upkeep rate only screw over new players or people with lifes that cant be arsed to play 24/7 grinding gold n looms.

Also some people tend to forgot how long it took for devs to fix the no upkeep bug so some people will never take notice of the upkeep

This is a good point actually.

[Tzar]

This is a good point actually.

Its a fuckin brilliant point

But also fuckin sad nonetheless 

[v/onMega]

So the dev team doesn't want cavalry in it's mod ?


Not allowing even a minimal horse (don't come in with skill 2 or 3 horses... no one considers the cheap weapons as viable so I don't see why it would be the case for horses) constantly just means that only cav fanboys will waste skill points in something barely giving an advantage and that you can't even use all the time (afaik, an archer can come with a longbow every round without loosing money, and a 2h can bring a flamberge all the time without problems too, with better armor than the horseman with a rouncey).

Invalid.

Example:

Equally skilled 2 h player vs. cav player.

Judging by the still unbelievably high amount of deaf, stupid or unaware players CAV was and still is the deadliest force on the battlefield.

Hell lot of cav players know when and where to attack, their strikes come sudden and sneaky.

On many maps cav is the decisive part.

They simply pay for being really important, I am happy not every dummy is allowed to play it.

I am a 2 h player, I can raise my options with a xbow+ bolts even, but be sure, in worst case, my expenses can reach 2.5 k gold or more too, easily (not wearing plate)

Yet I am mostly not able to match the killcounts of equally skilled cav players.....and thats okay, but needs to be reflected by upkeep imho.

In my opinion the importance / power of classes was never reflected so good in this mod then it is now (by upkeep)

About new players:

Let them grind over 1000 hours and talk afterwards.

With the marketplace its dumbeasy to get gold.

Before marketplace you had to grind some hundred hours to get 400k gold.

Now you need ONE gen.
U see the difference?

[Gheritarish le Loki]

What's the interest to have 2 million gold?

I mean only use of gold is to have better gear or to pay upkeep, no need to have tons of gold for that., 30/50k makes the deal.

If it's to buy Heirloom, i guess the time you take to grind that money will make you level 31...

[Overdriven]

Actually, upkeep for horses is different than upkeep of any other item. Seems that the higher riding you lower chances to pay for upkeep (I know that this works for weapons which are linked to wpf). So if you have high enough riding you'll rarely pay for your horse (when I was 1H horseman with 6 riding I had to pay for my Destrier maybe 20 times tops until I hit lvl 31). There are lot of armored horseman out there. If they had to pay for upkeep frequently like you have to pay for most weapons and armor, they wouldn't ride those elephants every goddamn round.

Solution: make horses a lot more expensive, don't touch the other stuff cause it's okay atm.

Biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard. Even if it is tied to riding, I have 6 riding and my courser was repaired 3 times in the space of 10 rounds today, and yes I have been counting, not made up. That's 1300 a pop. It's also tied to length of rounds, so if rounds last longer, increased breakability. Hell my horse gets repaired more than my bow. Also more than my Danish on my 2h char which gets repaired regularly only twice in 15 rounds. But regardless, you either didn't notice when your horse got repaired, or used your horse for only a tiny portion of those 31 levels, or were just bloody lucky for 1 gen.

chadz have no clue considering most old gen stackers have no problem with upkeep thx to the marketplace and a huge amount of gold stored i know some people who are close to having about 2 million gold stored away they couldnt careless the current upkeep rate only screw over new players or people with lifes that cant be arsed to play 24/7 grinding gold n looms.

Also some people tend to forgot how long it took for devs to fix the no upkeep bug so some people will never take notice of the upkeep

Needless to say, what chadz says goes. That was a 17 page thread arguing about upkeep until he finally said that. Pretty clear it's not gonna change. If you want gold, sell stuff in the marketplace. Otherwise manage your equip carefully so you gain a slight amount of gold. It's still fun to play and really there aren't that many people running around in plate, and if they are, they are easy enough to kill.