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Title: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Allers on January 22, 2011, 10:13:45 pm
I was in the cRPG ATS server right now and I was disguising as a peasant with a Langes Messre. I was fighting Goretooth and I won. Admin message said don't use sword. I said "why?" and then  they kicked me. I rejoined and said "Goretooth u mad" and then he said "troll again and see what happens" then people were saying the sword i was using was invisible. I thought it was a bug for some people. i see my sword perfectly when I was using it. Back to the point, Goretooth banned me for saying that comment when everyone was even saying hes mad because i killed him. Its admins like those that take out their rage on other people because they kill them or do something bad to them and gets them really mad to make a permanent ban JUST BECAUSE ITS A GAME AND THEY NEED TO COOL DOWN!
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Nindur on January 22, 2011, 10:18:03 pm
Allers was using the invisible sword, Allers was kicked, Allers returns, Rages, Continues to use Glitched sword, Allers is removed in the proper manner for said glitching.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Allers on January 22, 2011, 10:19:44 pm
Allers was using the invisible sword, Allers was kicked, Allers returns, Rages, Continues to use Glitched sword, Allers is removed in the proper manner for said glitching.

CONTINUES TO USE THE GLITCHED SWORD? WHAT ARE YOU TLKING ABOUT? WHEN I REJOINED I TOOK IT OFF.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 22, 2011, 10:20:31 pm
Yes, glitching, using a valid weapon in the game.


This is another case of admin and player rage. Person does something, admins gets upset, admin kicks or mutes, player returns, pisses off admin, both are raging in a senseless war that ends when the thread is locked.


Solution: Lock thread and stop PMSing.


I got these for Goretooth and Allers:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Nindur on January 22, 2011, 10:21:28 pm
You continued to glitch, I don't understand what we are discussing here....... If you would like to request an Unban, please post in the appropriate section, this seems to be just spam.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Gash on January 22, 2011, 10:23:04 pm
Allers, you started trolling Guardian after he kicked you for what we saw as a bugged/glitched/invisible weapon.

Unfortunately, Guardian is on the server to play the game, not babysit, argue, or be trolled at.

You should know this by now.

Coming back on the server and saying shit like 'Goretooth, u mad?'  is just plain dumb.

With your maturity background, it wouldn't be too hard to believe that you knew about the glitch and wanted to use it. If we were wrong, our bad.

But its your effort to make. Not ours.

Now, if you're requesting to be unbanned- this is the wrong section.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Heroin on January 22, 2011, 10:23:21 pm
CONTINUES TO USE THE GLITCHED SWORD? WHAT ARE YOU TLKING ABOUT? WHEN I REJOINED I TOOK IT OFF.

You took it off and started trolling the admin. Bad call.

You're done, man. I've defended and pushed for you to get unbanned in the past. I can assure you that posting on the forums trying to get support from the community for you to be unbanned will have the opposite effect. As a matter of fact, I'm so tired of seeing people try to do this, that I am making it my personal mission to ensure that anyone who posts whine threads regarding so-called "admin abuse" NEVER gets unbanned on the servers. Let this be a warning to the next asshat who thinks it's a good idea to complain about admins on the forums instead of owning up to their own mistake.

I'm sick of crybabies and assholes.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Allers on January 22, 2011, 10:23:42 pm
You continued to glitch, I don't understand what we are discussing here....... If you would like to request an Unban, please post in the appropriate section, this seems to be just spam.

No, i stopped glitching once Gash kicked me... Stop making up lies trying to make me look like I totally ignored the admins. Of course ATS defend ATS, and Im not wanting to get unbanned just this second
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 22, 2011, 10:24:34 pm
You took it off and started trolling the admin. Bad call.

You're done, man. I've defended and pushed for you to get unbanned in the past. I can assure you that posting on the forums trying to get support from the community for you to be unbanned will have the opposite effect. As a matter of fact, I'm so tired of seeing people try to do this, that I am making it my personal mission to ensure that anyone who posts whine threads regarding so-called "admin abuse" NEVER gets unbanned on the servers. Let this be a warning to the next asshat who thinks it's a good idea to complain about admins on the forums instead of owning up to their own mistake.

I'm sick of crybabies and assholes.

Actually, you would be an asshole at this point. Sick of yourself? Quite ironic.


As for the rest of the scenario, I too was muted for saying that Goretooth was on his menstrual cycle because Allers used an invisible sword, doesn't bother me because at this point I'm use seeing these kind of things on that server.


Goons > ATS.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Nindur on January 22, 2011, 10:26:13 pm
Well allers you should move on, you are a detriment to the community and you add nothing positive to the community. Unless you plan on changing this, and I doubt that, we would all appreciate you finding new servers to play on.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Gash on January 22, 2011, 10:28:04 pm
No, i stopped glitching once Gash kicked me... Stop making up lies trying to make me look like I totally ignored the admins. Of course ATS defend ATS, and Im not wanting to get unbanned just this second

I didn't kick you.

You were in the wrong, twice.

The end.


Actually, you would be an asshole at this point. Sick of yourself? Quite ironic.

Goons > ATS.

Then go play there so we don't have to deal with your bullcrap.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 22, 2011, 10:28:53 pm
Honestly, at this point I'm not going to defend either side, it'll only be a matter of minutes until Gorath the Troll shows up with his motley crew of lesbian brown nosers.


On the other hand, getting unbanned from from the ATS server again is like shoving a knife in and out of an activated land mine, it's bound to blow up at some point.

I didn't kick you.

You were in the wrong, twice.

The end.


Then go play there so we don't have to deal with your bullcrap.

Oooh, someone's upset. I see I offended your buddy pretty badly then. Only reason I joined your POS server in the first place was because Allers and Kalelord were there.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Gash on January 22, 2011, 10:31:50 pm
On the other hand, getting unbanned from from the ATS server again

Key word: again.

You gotta wonder what you kids are doing that gets you removed so often. This should ring a bell as to your level of maturity.

Tons of people go through months of Mount & Blade without getting banned.

It's amazing isn't it?
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 22, 2011, 10:33:53 pm
Key word: again.

You gotta wonder what you kids are doing that gets you removed so often. This should ring a bell as to your level of maturity.

Tons of people go through months of Mount & Blade without getting banned.

It's amazing isn't it?


"You Kids"

I've never actually been banned from any cRPG server, this was my first offense. Amazing how more people get banned from your (not to be taken as Gash's server, for you slow ones out there.)  server for seemingly unfair reasons than any other (NA) server, isn't it?
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Allers on January 22, 2011, 10:35:59 pm
You continued to glitch, I don't understand what we are discussing here....... If you would like to request an Unban, please post in the appropriate section, this seems to be just spam.

No, i stopped glitching once Gash kicked me... Stop making up lies trying to make me look like I totally ignored the admins. Of course ATS defend ATS, and Im not wanting to get unbanned just this second

EDIT: Lol, all the lies you guys say and refusing to look on the other persons side of the story because they have had a bad reputation. All you ATS do is defend eachother. If your ATS buddy tked someone Intentionally, youd probably say it was on accident and then if the person who got tked complains, you jsut kick them.

Also

I'm sick of crybabies and assholes.

Why don't you look at your fellow ATS members? I'm sure many of them are crybabies. And why do you call me that Hero? Im pretty sure i wasnt crying.

At least I didnt look like goretooth when I killed him:

(click to show/hide)


I'm sorry I made you cry Goretooth :(

Of course If someone said:

visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/11919028.jpg/)

Like i said to goretooth, to a non ATS or Admin they wouldnt get banned.


Well allers you should move on, you are a detriment to the community and you add nothing positive to the community. Unless you plan on changing this, and I doubt that, we would all appreciate you finding new servers to play on.

Actually, I do help a lot of people. You shouldn't say these comments when you're not with me 24/7.

I didn't kick you.

You were in the wrong, twice.

The end.


Then go play there so we don't have to deal with your bullcrap.

My bad, didnt mean to put Gash
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Heroin on January 22, 2011, 10:38:45 pm
It only seems unfair because people play dumb and don't say what really happened. Warning: Don't use glitched sword. Douchebag: Why not? Kick. Douchebag returns: UMADBRO? TEEHEEHEEHEEHEE. ADMIN: Don't troll the admin. Douchebag: Why not? DERPDERP. Banned.

Sounds fair to me.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Matey on January 22, 2011, 10:40:04 pm
I wont say ive never questioned admin judgement... but you got fair warning, you trolled an admin after said warning, you got ban. i dont see what the issue is? he didnt just ban you without any warning... you antagonized him instead of heeding the warning, deal with it.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Nindur on January 22, 2011, 10:41:07 pm
I don't understand your argument :( Allers was glitching......Jesus says glitching is bad :(
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Bothersome_Aldryk on January 22, 2011, 10:41:52 pm
ATS have some of the easiest to needle players in this entire game. It almost makes me want to troll even though I'm a terrible troll :P. But either way, taunting them is a terrible way to avoid getting banned. The Langes Messer is currently being abused like crazy, so I can understand the kick. I would say however that it'd be nice if admins would explain the reason before kicking, to give a chance for the person to change. Assuming that people understand why they are being kicked leads to a lot of mistakes, even if it seems obvious to the ones doing the kicking.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Heroin on January 22, 2011, 10:43:00 pm
And why do you call me that Hero? Im pretty sure i wasnt crying.

Oh no? What is this thread then?
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Heroin on January 22, 2011, 10:46:41 pm
I would say however that it'd be nice if admins would explain the reason before kicking, to give a chance for the person to change.

He DID get a warning before kick. He was told not to use the sword. Allers, while he pretends to be often, is not a moron, nor is he uninformed on what is going on in crpg. He knew perfectly well that the sword was bugged. That's likely WHY he was using it.

As an aside, on vent I had just said about how Allers and Miley had both been exceptionally well-behaved since they returned from their LAST ban. I was saying that not even 20 minutes before this event occurred.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 22, 2011, 10:48:32 pm
Everybody already knows that ATS is very sensitive, don't pick on them or they might cry  :cry:

I will admit that ATS is quite one sided, a normal player can be teamkilled but when an ATS member is teamkilled the offender is usually banned. Or take my mute as an example, I said that Goretooth was on his menstrual cycle, if I said that to someone else that wasn't ATS nothing would have happened.


P.S - Heroin, there's a modify button for a reason.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Allers on January 22, 2011, 10:49:53 pm
Oh no? What is this thread then?

Just talking about how many ATS have anger problems. Those who do, you should read this book:

(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Heroin on January 22, 2011, 10:50:22 pm
Or take my mute as an example, I said that Goretooth was on his menstrual cycle, if I said that to someone else that wasn't an admin who had just made an administrative decision I was trolling about, nothing would have happened.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: KaleLord on January 22, 2011, 10:52:14 pm
Just talking about how many ATS have anger problems. Those who do, you should read this book:

(click to show/hide)

WHERE CAN I GET THAT BOOK
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 22, 2011, 10:52:43 pm
Fixed.

I do believe you've missed the point, an admin isn't a god sent down from the heavens, it's a player who has been given the power to keep the server under control. Muting someone for insulting them personally, but not someone else, is quite retarded.



EDIT: And speaking my mind isn't trolling, it's called opinion.



inb4 garguros famous "i was in the airforce, dont talk to me about free speech" speech.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: UrLukur on January 22, 2011, 10:54:48 pm
Key word: again.

You gotta wonder what you kids are doing that gets you removed so often. This should ring a bell as to your level of maturity.

Tons of people go through months of Mount & Blade without getting banned.

It's amazing isn't it?

Lol, you speak about maturity ? Maybe you'll behave like one first instead of insulting people. Oh, and i don't know Allers, i'm EU and i don't care about your server. I just don't like people with double standards like you and Lerva.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Gorath on January 22, 2011, 10:55:26 pm
I would say however that it'd be nice if admins would explain the reason before kicking, to give a chance for the person to change.

I was there, and they did.  4 ATS guys said "Stop abusing the broken/bugged/invisible sword" and instead of going "Ok" altair and allers decided to spout of dickish comments and generally be kids.  I even said to stop using it and quit playing dumb.

*Whether or not it deserved a banning I don't really care about as I have no vested interest in this other than to point this out.*

(Yes Altair, kids.  Dracul like the goons acts like a bunch of infantile delinquents the majority of the time.  But at least in Dracul's case it's somewhat expected considering that your biggest PR member- Allers- is still a teenager.  If you love the goons and their server so much, I don't see why it's such an issue that Allers was banned from the NA-80 man.  Go play on the lljk server.  They love people acting like fucktards there instead of just stfu'ing and playing the damn game in a mature manner.)
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Heroin on January 22, 2011, 10:59:57 pm
Muting someone for insulting them personally, but not someone else, is quite retarded.

No, it's not. An admin is the "Police" of a forum or game. A cop may not arrest you for spouting off to some other retard on the street, but try spouting off to the cop, or spitting on his shoe and see what happens. Good luck, moron.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: KaleLord on January 22, 2011, 11:00:12 pm
Let's all be friends and sing :)
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 22, 2011, 11:01:35 pm
I was there, and they did.  4 ATS guys said "Stop abusing the broken/bugged/invisible sword" and instead of going "Ok" altair and allers decided to spout of dickish comments and generally be kids.  I even said to stop using it and quit playing dumb.

*Whether or not it deserved a banning I don't really care about as I have no vested interest in this other than to point this out.*

(Yes Altair, kids.  Dracul like the goons acts like a bunch of infantile delinquents the majority of the time.  But at least in Dracul's case it's somewhat expected considering that your biggest PR member- Allers- is still a teenager.  If you love the goons and their server so much, I don't see why it's such an issue that Allers was banned from the NA-80 man.  Go play on the lljk server.  They love people acting like fucktards there instead of just stfu'ing and playing the damn game in a mature manner.)


Oh my, a thought out post by Gorath? A god damn miracle. Sure, we're kids, we're goons. Call us what you'd like, truth is, we don't care. I have no problem with my own mute and allers' ban. My problem is the stuck up, immature attitude of ATS.


LLJK server? I do believe it is owned by ScotTFO who is not in LLJK. Now, I recall ATS members saying that the ATS NA server is truly not the "ATS server", so why be so hypocritical? You go around trolling server threads and then call other people immature? Wow Gorath, I was actually convinced you were one of few decently behaved ATS members.


Lorne, being one of the biggest trolls in the game, is actually far more mature than you.


<3 you lorn.

No, it's not. An admin is the "Police" of a forum or game. A cop may not arrest you for spouting off to some other retard on the street, but try spouting off to the cop, or spitting on his shoe and see what happens. Good luck, moron.

Oh god, here we go again. If an admin truly acted as a "sewvew powice officew!" then you'd think they'd take action against team killers. Do they? Hell no. The only time I've ever seen someone get banned for team killing intentionally on that server is when it was an ATS member. Of course, I don't play there much due to reasons like this, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Eyerra on January 22, 2011, 11:04:43 pm
Let's all be friends and sing :)

We are the World... We are the children... :D

No, srzly. Admins should be clanless & stay spectating. And not have a log up their butt.

My point: Who watches over what the admins do?
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: UrLukur on January 22, 2011, 11:05:31 pm
No, it's not. An admin is the "Police" of a forum or game. A cop may not arrest you for spouting off to some other retard on the street, but try spouting off to the cop, or spitting on his shoe and see what happens. Good luck, moron.

Admin is not police, it's arbiter. On forum you are just another member, don't try to pose as someone who have more rights here. In game you have your rights to kick/ban people for offences, like insulting someone or racism (wtf!) or ingame behavior.

I'm tired of people who thinks your way, it's moronic.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Allers on January 22, 2011, 11:06:23 pm
Lol, I don't act bad on SCOTT'S SERVER (not LLJK). It's people like the ATS admins that make me mad because they are all defending eachother. I also hate how you ATS insult Scott's server just because it's comptetition to your server and because your admins cant be admins on his server. He actually has admins that are good and have a sense of humor and make the server fun to play on. All the ATS server does is try to find something to test their banhammer on. The admins over at the good server (scotts) don't ban NEARLY as much as the ATS do. And also, at least scott's server doesn't have an admin that is 21 years old and lives with their mom, and plays computer every single day for 20 hours until their mom takes away their mic which makes them not allowed to join the ATS server because they have to be in vent.
*cough "Lorne" cough*

Player in ATS server: *hits admin accidentally* Sorry!

ATS admin: I'm a paying member of this server which got me mai admin, if you accidentally hit me again im going to ban you.
___________________________________

ANother player : *instults admin*

ATS Admin: *bans*
___________________________________

ATS admin: *instults fellow player*

*No one gets banned.*

Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Bothersome_Aldryk on January 22, 2011, 11:07:33 pm
One thing to mention is that enjoying things such as Ladder Art is hardly enjoying the game in an immature manner. It's only immature if it is done to cause anger or other negative emotions for personal amusement, imo. The ATS server disapproves of such ways of playing the game, but that hardly makes it a less mature way to play the game. It all depends on the attitude of the people playing the server. The Fallen Ones is generally a relatively relaxed server. People don't always feel the need to play as if winning or losing is the only thing that matters, and I don't have a problem with that unless it directly detracts from another person's enjoyment. To all the people who responded saying that the admins did explain the issue before kicking, that is good to hear.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Gorath on January 22, 2011, 11:14:26 pm

Oh my, a thought out post by Gorath? A god damn miracle. Sure, we're kids, we're goons. Call us what you'd like, truth is, we don't care. I have no problem with my own mute and allers' ban. My problem is the stuck up, immature attitude of ATS. 
And that's fine, but call it what it is then:  A cry thread.  You guys acted like dicks to the guys that run the server, they slapped you for it, and now you guys are mad about it.  I mean if I go into some guys establishment and start shit talking him I can pretty much expect that I'm going to be 86'd from the place.  That's life.  You have a personal vendetta and hatred of ATS, hell many people do, so you push it on their server intentionally and most likely just so you can point at it afterwards and proclaim "SEE!  I TOLD YOU THEY'RE FUCKING PRICKS!"



LLJK server? I do believe it is owned by ScotTFO who is not in LLJK. Now, I recall ATS members saying that the ATS NA server is truly not the "ATS server", so why be so hypocritical? You go around trolling server threads and then call other people immature? Wow Gorath, I was actually convinced you were one of few decently behaved ATS members. 

In the beginning it wasn't an ATS server.  Shit changed.  /shrug
There's a difference Altair;  I leave my trolling bullshit on forums, where it belongs.  Even you, for as much as you probably dislike me on a personal level, have to admit that when I'm playing the damned game I do my best to stfu and play properly and act in a mature and responsible fashion as an admin should.  The forums and the server are two different worlds, and I treat them as such.

That's the difference really.  Forums are meant for trolling and general asshattery in the spirit of having a good laugh;  I'm not a mod or admin here either, I don't represent shit.  On the server I am an admin and do my best to act accordingly and be a fair and responsible player who doesn't waste peoples time, purposefully try to piss them off and/or insult them (a snarky jab at friends is different as I'll trade quips with a few peers *Man, Balb, Braed, etc etc*).  It's not that hard to just play the damned game when you're on the server and have fun without being an asshat.

For the record I resigned from ATS a few days ago so this isn't me defending clan-mates or anything, but speaking to you player to player.

@Allers:  You, of all people, know that not all the admins on the ATS server are like that.  Once you and Miley sorted out the real shit back in the day ( you know what I'm talking about ) there hasn't been any problem and for the most part we've all had fun on the 80 man until recently right?  Granted there's a larger influx of players there, but it used to be fairly laid back most of the time I would think you'd agree.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 22, 2011, 11:16:01 pm
One thing to mention is that enjoying things such as Ladder Art is hardly enjoying the game in an immature manner. It's only immature if it is done to cause anger or other negative emotions for personal amusement, imo. The ATS server disapproves of such ways of playing the game, but that hardly makes it a less mature way to play the game. It all depends on the attitude of the people playing the server. The Fallen Ones is generally a relatively relaxed server. People don't always feel the need to play as if winning or losing is the only thing that matters, and I don't have a problem with that unless it directly detracts from another person's enjoyment. To all the people who responded saying that the admins did explain the issue before kicking, that is good to hear.


Yeah, but anything most people find "fun" is a bannable offense on the ATS server at this point. Pretty sure cRPG is a game for FUN not spending your entire gameplay time grinding and getting kicked or muted for sharing your opinions.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Nindur on January 22, 2011, 11:20:22 pm
u guys sound mad......u mad?
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 22, 2011, 11:21:31 pm
And that's fine, but call it what it is then:  A cry thread.  You guys acted like dicks to the guys that run the server, they slapped you for it, and now you guys are mad about it.  I mean if I go into some guys establishment and start shit talking him I can pretty much expect that I'm going to be 86'd from the place.  That's life.  You have a personal vendetta and hatred of ATS, hell many people do, so you push it on their server intentionally and most likely just so you can point at it afterwards and proclaim "SEE!  I TOLD YOU THEY'RE FUCKING PRICKS!"



In the beginning it wasn't an ATS server.  Shit changed.  /shrug
There's a difference Altair;  I leave my trolling bullshit on forums, where it belongs.  Even you, for as much as you probably dislike me on a personal level, have to admit that when I'm playing the damned game I do my best to stfu and play properly and act in a mature and responsible fashion as an admin should.  The forums and the server are two different worlds, and I treat them as such.

That's the difference really.  Forums are meant for trolling and general asshattery in the spirit of having a good laugh;  I'm not a mod or admin here either, I don't represent shit.  On the server I am an admin and do my best to act accordingly and be a fair and responsible player who doesn't waste peoples time, purposefully try to piss them off and/or insult them (a snarky jab at friends is different as I'll trade quips with a few peers *Man, Balb, Braed, etc etc*).  It's not that hard to just play the damned game when you're on the server and have fun without being an asshat.

For the record I resigned from ATS a few days ago so this isn't me defending clan-mates or anything, but speaking to you player to player.

I'll start to be the mature one out of Dracul, as I did create the damned thing to originally improve our poor reputation, which will get us nowhere if we just argue and fighting with people, by apologizing for my childish behavior. I do appreciate how you acted mature and intelligent in your response, as all I've gotten from the others were rude responses which did nothing but provoke more trolling out of me and my peers.

I'm done arguing here, I hope everyone else calms down and starts to act their age as well.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: UrLukur on January 22, 2011, 11:23:00 pm
I leave my trolling bullshit on forums, where it belongs.  Even you, for as much as you probably dislike me on a personal level, have to admit that when I'm playing the damned game I do my best to stfu and play properly and act in a mature and responsible fashion as an admin should.  The forums and the server are two different worlds, and I treat them as such.

Any chance Heroin get this message ? He thinks he is police on the forum.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Castor on January 22, 2011, 11:23:34 pm
I'm not gonna take sides on this, rather I'll pull a Switzerland, but I would just like to point out. It is ATS that is running these servers, for the most part aside from public donations, they are the ones who finance the servers, the admins for the most part are ATS and other mature and responsible players. The admins, as it should be try for the most part to make it fair and equal in terms of punishments for players, but what a lot of people fail to understand, is that this is NO DEMOCRACY it is a dictatorship, with undertones of fairness  :D

Only when you start your own server, manage it, finance it, put your own blood, sweat, and baby tears into it, can you decide for yourselves if the server is a democracy or dictatorship.  :?
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Nindur on January 22, 2011, 11:24:49 pm
I got a really important opinion so please everyone listen, I find it fucking stupid and unfair that dracul guys defend each other, fucking stupid, not fair at all, in crpg u not sposed to agree with people u play with so i dont understand, maybe i can make a thread becaus there its so stupid like I got so mad when those people defend when there friend does bad stuff like i dont get it ats fuckin stupid i dont even kno y they keep na servers gfoing cause i like to play on eu so so stupid like makes me mad when people just do good stuff and pay for servers and let me use their stuff for no reason only way to make it fair is shut down all na server and strat my opinion soun right i think
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Nindur on January 22, 2011, 11:28:55 pm
I'll start to be the mature one out of Dracul, as I did create the damned thing to originally improve our poor reputation, which will get us nowhere if we just argue and fighting with people, by apologizing for my childish behavior. I do appreciate how you acted mature and intelligent in your response, as all I've gotten from the others were rude responses which did nothing but provoke more trolling out of me and my peers.

I'm done arguing here, I hope everyone else calms down and starts to act their age as well.

so what your saying is that Allers should not have been banned?
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 22, 2011, 11:36:17 pm
so what your saying is that Allers should not have been banned?

I never said that, but have you ever heard of a modify button? It does cool things like keep you from double posting.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Gash on January 22, 2011, 11:37:07 pm
then you'd think they'd take action against team killers. Do they? Hell no. The only time I've ever seen someone get banned for team killing intentionally on that server is when it was an ATS member. Of course, I don't play there much due to reasons like this, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Listen to yourself, a disgusting lie & another conspiracy theory

Lets think about this for a second and use logic, if you are able to. Lets say I'm the only admin online and there's 80 people - do I have 80 pairs of eyes to watch everyone playing all at once?

If a team-kill comes up while im playing, did I see it happen? Do I know what happened? Was it intentional? an accident?

I'm not going to stay on the server and spectate the entire fucken time i'm on!

An ATS member that's in my channel on ventrilo gets TKed on purpose, he can tell us on vent when it happened. Generally, that'll be the reason action is taken. However, 90% of the time I give a verbal warning to the one who TKed an ATS member and if it happens again, I boot them. 

That's my way of admining and playing the game.

If you don't like it, then that's not my problem. I give people the benefit of the doubt - until I see it happen. If I did the opposite, you'd fucken complain that i'm being too harsh.

So please stop coming on these forums and spouting a whole bunch of bullshit.

Much appreciated.

You've made it clear you don't like ATS, now get over it.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on January 22, 2011, 11:43:03 pm
I've heard this happening many times on ATS servers, it happened to me because I had the misfortune of arguing with the head admin of the server, of which I had no knowledge about until bringing my argument up on this forum, almost 3 weeks since my ban. I've used reason, critisizm and plain cursing, none of it worked for me, but since you issue wasn't with the head admin you'll probably stand a better chance of being unbanned than me. Good luck on that unban.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Gorath on January 22, 2011, 11:46:49 pm
Sigh
As an aside, there is the unban section in the forums.  PM's also work wonders.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Kalam on January 23, 2011, 12:03:55 am
I'm not gonna take sides on this, rather I'll pull a Switzerland, but I would just like to point out. It is ATS that is running these servers, for the most part aside from public donations, they are the ones who finance the servers, the admins for the most part are ATS and other mature and responsible players. The admins, as it should be try for the most part to make it fair and equal in terms of punishments for players, but what a lot of people fail to understand, is that this is NO DEMOCRACY it is a dictatorship, with undertones of fairness  :D

Only when you start your own server, manage it, finance it, put your own blood, sweat, and baby tears into it, can you decide for yourselves if the server is a democracy or dictatorship.  :?

QFT
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Goretooth on January 23, 2011, 01:11:54 am
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Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: FICO on January 23, 2011, 01:31:01 am
does anybody recall that santa barbara soap opera thing on tv? this thread reminds me of that.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: AssPunisher on January 23, 2011, 01:41:28 am
QFNT

If players help running the server with donations then you should act responsibly with your power to kick/ban and use it only if all fails after reasonable amount of effort. If you want to run your little dictatorship on the server then you at least keep it up yourself and you don't ask for donations on the forum. Just sayin

I don't know what happened in this particular case but considering the number of "admin abuse" threads lately there might be some truth in some of them.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Allers on January 23, 2011, 01:49:11 am
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@Allers:  You, of all people, know that not all the admins on the ATS server are like that.  Once you and Miley sorted out the real shit back in the day ( you know what I'm talking about ) there hasn't been any problem and for the most part we've all had fun on the 80 man until recently right?  Granted there's a larger influx of players there, but it used to be fairly laid back most of the time I would think you'd agree.

Thats why I try to say most sorry if i forget to. I know your one of the few who dont do those things
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Wookimonsta on January 23, 2011, 02:05:37 am
Hey Allers,
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
.

You got banned, go play something else. Quit getting mad at video games.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Allers on January 23, 2011, 02:09:44 am
Hey Allers,
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
.

You got banned, go play something else. Quit getting mad at video games.

No
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: McBeverage on January 23, 2011, 02:10:38 am
Silly Allers.

/me clicks his tongue and walks away, sighing and shaking his head.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Miley on January 23, 2011, 02:24:43 am
Allers, when I say you're a mega troll, you say you're not and say I am. Fail ;)

There is no LLJK cRPG server. The_Fallen_Ones server is not an LLJK server just because a lot of them play on it. What reason do you have to insult the server? It's new, and it probably relieves issues you guys get because the banned player(s) now has another North American server to play on.

The ATS run the ATS servers. In real life, would you argue with a police officer or the person/persons that run your community? No, you wouldn't. Some of you are complaining that they're biased. Or you complain that insulting someone that's not ATS or an admin doesn't result in consequences, and if you insult an ATS or admin it does. Well, what do you expect? You don't insult people with authority, so be smart.

I was actually on the NA Hospitaller server yesterday for a few rounds, and I was using the Langes Messer that Vesarius had been giving me. It was invisible to me, and no one said anything to me. o.0

I'm not trying to defend Allers or anyone. I agree that these posts are, for the majority, dumb and unnecessary, but what I see is a lack of communication between admins and players. You could give a warning in chat on the first offense, give a warning and a kick on the second offense, and then you can ban on the third if they keep persisting. It may seem like a lot of work, but you signed up to become an admin, right?

I'm not going to lie; personal biases towards me have brought me trouble by the admins and other players. People lie and say that I was a team-killer and massive troll before (in the beta), and they still hold it against me. I never team-killed people. I was new to the game, and I'd delay some rounds for a very long time, run from people for a very long time, and I'd glitch into places. I’d argue with people and "QQ," because of course, I was new, and they’d insult/scold me. Then I got the label of troll/team-killer, which is a false label because gossip/rumors change over time, don’t they? I honestly don’t believe I am a troll (anymore, if you thought so prior). I help people out the best possible way I can. If there’s a new person in the duel server, I tell them about the battle server, how to add servers to favorites, and more. I answer people’s questions about gameplay, the website, etc, but I am still hated. I’ve been banned three times from the ATS servers upon personal biases and not admin abuse, but lack of communication. I can post the three bans if it’ll help the issue, but I don’t deem it necessary at this moment.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Guts on January 23, 2011, 02:26:12 am
another qq thread could some one lock this shit crying about ur ban isnt gonna make the admins be like oh gee my bad u can be unbanned just enjoy ur time out and do something else and it will blow over and u can resume trolling again till u get banned again
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Tristan on January 23, 2011, 02:31:40 am
OK... this thread sounds like its a lot of fun, but I didn't care to read it all... can I get a resume of all the puns and jokes just for the lol?
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Mvpeh on January 23, 2011, 03:30:03 am
Chill out. :p
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Heroin on January 23, 2011, 03:51:02 am
Any chance Heroin get this message ? He thinks he is police on the forum.

I never said that. I said a forum admin, or server admin, is similar in job and function to a police officer in the location in which they are an admin. I'm not going to rehash this any further for those who don't understand english. I am sorry if you don't understand.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Allers on January 23, 2011, 03:55:14 am
Ok sorry that situation got me mad and sorry for saying all those comments to you guys i was really mad at that time. Im not asking for a unban.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Wiegraf_BRD on January 23, 2011, 03:55:30 am
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The ATS run the ATS servers. In real life, would you argue with a police officer or the person/persons that run your community? No, you wouldn't. Some of you are complaining that they're biased. Or you complain that insulting someone that's not ATS or an admin doesn't result in consequences, and if you insult an ATS or admin it does. Well, what do you expect? You don't insult people with authority, so be smart.

I do not know what country you are from, but in north america, people who argue with police officers are quite common.  So I disagree, and find allers argueing or trying to proove points over authority a completely normal practice.    Yet, people who insult officers also get punished for being stupid. 

But lets also not forget, police can abuse their power too.  I am not saying ATS has abused power because i have seen no proof, but anyone with authority can do it or may do it.

So stop placing random yellow shirts that float in the air everywhere , then ask for bans, because you will get them.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Miley on January 23, 2011, 03:57:51 am
I do not know what country you are from, but in north america, people who argue with police officers are quite common.  So I disagree, and find allers argueing or trying to proove points over authority a completely normal practice.    Yet, people who insult officers also get punished for being stupid. 

But lets also not forget, police can abuse their power too.  I am not saying ATS has abused power because i have seen no proof, but anyone with authority can do it and has done it.

Allers was punished, and I don't think it was admin abuse.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Wiegraf_BRD on January 23, 2011, 04:00:22 am
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Allers was punished, and I don't think it was admin abuse.

Allers, ever think of playing Vikingr? It's a really fun mod. 
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Allers on January 23, 2011, 04:03:23 am
Allers, ever think of playing Vikingr? It's a really fun mod.

Ya ive been playing it since yesterday
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Goretooth on January 23, 2011, 06:05:24 am
Ok sorry that situation got me mad and sorry for saying all those comments to you guys i was really mad at that time. Im not asking for a unban.
Thanks and will get you unbanned soon
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: tankmen on January 23, 2011, 07:22:21 am
damn good read!... i havent been on fourms for a while and i was reading this while eating BAGEL BITES and would just like to thank allers for the excellent read
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Goretooth on January 23, 2011, 08:38:47 am
I like allers considering he is one of the few to challenge me to a fight and acutally show up on the duel to finish the challenge.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Matey on January 23, 2011, 08:51:38 am
I like allers considering he is one of the few to challenge me to a fight and acutally show up on the duel to finish the challenge.

i like catching you 1v1, but if i see you coming with a swarm behind you... i usually gtfo.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Artyem on January 23, 2011, 09:05:26 am
i like catching you 1v1, but if i see you coming with a swarm behind you... i usually gtfo.

+1
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Skunkbush on January 23, 2011, 09:54:43 am
I was banned today for claiming to be chadz =(. Hopefully my request gets approved lol.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Heroin on January 23, 2011, 10:08:41 am
I was banned today for claiming to be chadz =(. Hopefully my request gets approved lol.

I have given my approval. You just have to wait for someone who has "unban" powers to get on. The power to unban is much more rare than the power to ban.
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: FICO on January 23, 2011, 12:15:32 pm
I was banned today for claiming to be chadz =(. Hopefully my request gets approved lol.
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you shall have no other chadz before me
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Gnjus on January 23, 2011, 12:30:05 pm
I am simply amazed how you admin boys still haven't permanently banned those two shitty perpetual griefers (Miley the Moron and Allers the Retard). I mean, how much more shit from them does it take before you guys finally figure it out ?
They TK, they glitch, they troll, they grief, they open worthless threads on forum where they whine and bitch about everything.....they ruin other people's gaming experience with their idiotic behavior and you still let them do it. One day ban is not enough folks, don't be afraid to use your admin powers, at least this time it will be very well justified.

P.S.
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Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Devilize on January 23, 2011, 12:44:44 pm
oooh I think I'm too late but this thread is prefect for me to brush up on my trolling abilities. lets see...

invisible swords are cool, its like having an epic item in WoW. Just a bit OP is all. Needs a cool down for an hour long period and should only last 1 min once activated.

How did I do? :P
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Jan_van_Zuidwijk on January 23, 2011, 12:54:47 pm

My point: Who watches over what the admins do?

ATS
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Jan_van_Zuidwijk on January 23, 2011, 12:57:26 pm
Gorath

Holy f*ck? You have -122 Troll Points?!!
Title: Re: Goretooth.... Admin Abuse??
Post by: Leshma on January 23, 2011, 01:01:06 pm
oooh I think I'm too late but this thread is prefect for me to brush up on my trolling abilities. lets see...

invisible swords are cool, its like having an epic item in WoW. Just a bit OP is all. Needs a cool down for an hour long period and should only last 1 min once activated.

How did I do? :P

Not good enough. You were much better in the good old days, during the siege of castle Exteel in AD 2468 on planet Marston :wink: