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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: 1slander on January 22, 2011, 09:40:35 pm
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Time for a West Coast NA Server!!!!
Please vote and if in the case you think you could host one please tell us what you have to offer!
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I would love a server in Seattle, since I live in Alaska.
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British Columbia here. A Seattle server would be great!
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Vancouver Island here,
I am happy with the current servers but would not say no to even lower ping.
A West Coast server would be great!
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Once I take care of some bills/upgrades I've been debating whether or not to spring for a Seattle cRPG server if chadz would be cool with that.
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California here we come!
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Would love one, I live in Hawaii here. Would happily donate too =)
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Once I take care of some bills/upgrades I've been debating whether or not to spring for a Seattle cRPG server if chadz would be cool with that.
Heard you mention that alot since I started playing crpg. I would donate if you started one. Would be nice to see a 80-120 man battle server, or whatever you call it. Never play seige myself, but maybe both if people wanted that too.
What would the startup and monthly costs associated be? I know nothing about servers and whether people rent them or have them? But if we could ballpark costs I'm sure we could cough up donators to get it up and running. But from what I can tell it is up to chadz and I really don't know how things are run either so it's not my choice either way. Just throwing it out there though.
Van Isle here as well!
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I would love a server in Seattle, since I live in Alaska.
Seattle is sitting in the north-west corner of the continental US and would be of little to benefit to those in the south/mid-west such as Southern Cali, Texas, or New Mexico.
It would benefit more people to host the server in a Mid West location such as Salt Lake City if suitable hosting exists there.
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Heard you mention that alot since I started playing crpg. I would donate if you started one. Would be nice to see a 80-120 man battle server, or whatever you call it. Never play seige myself, but maybe both if people wanted that too.
What would the startup and monthly costs associated be? I know nothing about servers and whether people rent them or have them? But if we could ballpark costs I'm sure we could cough up donators to get it up and running. But from what I can tell it is up to chadz and I really don't know how things are run either so it's not my choice either way. Just throwing it out there though.
Van Isle here as well!
I am sure if someone wanted to put up a server, chadz would have no problem with it.
Seattle is sitting in the north-west corner of the continental US and would be of little to benefit to those in the south/mid-west such as Southern Cali, Texas, or New Mexico.
It would benefit more people to host the server in a Mid West location such as Salt Lake City if suitable hosting exists there.
I know for a fact Seattle has some good hosting, and it would make for a better contrast with the current east-coast servers. But it's not like it's our choice anyway.
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I am sure if someone wanted to put up a server, chadz would have no problem with it.
I know for a fact Seattle has some good hosting, and it would make for a better contrast with the current east-coast servers. But it's not like it's our choice anyway.
No doubt Seattle has good hosting, I generally get around 70-80 ping on servers hosted there, and I live in Northern California which would be an improvement for me. But as I stated I believe there are better hosting locations that would benefit a larger majority of people.
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No doubt Seattle has good hosting, I generally get around 70-80 ping on servers hosted there, and I live in Northern California which would be an improvement for me. But as I stated I believe there are better hosting locations that would benefit a larger majority of people.
I live in the middle of Alaska and I get 50-60 ping there.
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Crossing my fingers on Seattle or Vancouver...I've been playing with 90-170 ping right through with the current NA's available. Parrying just isn't a big possibility with that ping and this skill lvl.
16 people voted yes so far. Any idea if there is a large enough player base to support a WCNA server? I mean I'm guessing there must be, but that's based on assumption alone. 50+ solid would be great. But even the 80 man dips below 30 alot. But a WCNA would feed from all current NA's as well as stragglers from the EU I guess. Things would even out.
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If anyone could set one up in the mountain time zone, that would be ideally close to everywhere on the west cost and central.
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If anyone could set one up in the mountain time zone, that would be ideally close to everywhere on the west cost and central.
That's what I was thinking! I figured Salt Lake City would ideal as it's roughly 700 miles away from every major city such as LA, to Dallas, to Seattle.
I started a poll here (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1427.0.html) although I'm not sure if people are voting based on what they feel would be a prime location for everyone involved or if they are just choosing a location closest them.
I live in Cali and chose SLC even though a LA based server would be more ideal for me, I was just trying to think of everyone else.
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So where are the current NA battle/siege servers located? I'm in Los Angeles and usually getting under 100 ping.
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So where are the current NA battle/siege servers located? I'm in Los Angeles and usually getting under 100 ping.
Chicago
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I live in North-West Mexico and have 90-100 on cRPG servers, a server on west would be AWESOME, I have 40 ping on L.A. servers, so a seattle would be... 60-70?
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Any idea on cost Gorath?
Is it that you have a server or is it that you would rent one?
Must be different price per size right?
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Any idea on cost Gorath?
Is it that you have a server or is it that you would rent one?
Must be different price per size right?
I'd be renting one. I could host one I'm sure once I get my tax return and upgrade/buy puter shit, but I don't have my old T1 line anymore. Now I'm on crappy cable (lol, beats the ol' 14.4 baud modem but still). I'd probably go through Jest and his servers since he's reliable and the accessability for them is pretty simple. Usually it's $1 a slot, so I'd say a minimum of 100 a month and that'd probably be like a 64-70 man server (have to account for tax and fees).
If chadz is cool with it and everything, I'll do the startup for sure once I get my money direct deposited (should be sometime in the next 5-8 days) and then figure out a donation page from there if people would like to help out. Never a requirement though. Ideally I'd like to keep the adminship spread throughout a few clans so to avoid any "FUCK (___insert clan here___) ADMIN ABOOSE!" shit.
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I'd be renting one. I could host one I'm sure once I get my tax return and upgrade/buy puter shit, but I don't have my old T1 line anymore. Now I'm on crappy cable (lol, beats the ol' 14.4 baud modem but still). I'd probably go through Jest and his servers since he's reliable and the accessability for them is pretty simple. Usually it's $1 a slot, so I'd say a minimum of 100 a month and that'd probably be like a 64-70 man server (have to account for tax and fees).
If chadz is cool with it and everything, I'll do the startup for sure once I get my money direct deposited (should be sometime in the next 5-8 days) and then figure out a donation page from there if people would like to help out. Never a requirement though. Ideally I'd like to keep the adminship spread throughout a few clans so to avoid any "FUCK (___insert clan here___) ADMIN ABOOSE!" shit.
I agree with everything you said and would be willing to donate to see this happen. If enough people threw down and it hit $80-100 wouldn't it be possible to see it happen sooner? To be honest I don't see why you should have to pay for it all. Especially considering all the QQ babies who then treat you like you're performing a service for them, crying in forums about abuse when they got booted for building ladder art or shot their team mates horse and whatever else when it's coming out of your pocket in the end. No, we should all chip in, I'm pretty positive the WC peeps will do what's right and send you coin.
Talk to chadz, see if this is a go, then post a donation link through paypal I guess. I think people will donate more if the donations are noted and costs are up front. Otherwise I think people tend to think it's a money grab perhaps. I dunno, just my 2 cents.
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I live in North-West Mexico and have 90-100 on cRPG servers, a server on west would be AWESOME, I have 40 ping on L.A. servers, so a seattle would be... 60-70?
Looking at a map, Seattle is probably further away from you. I doubt you see better pings.
Once I take care of some bills/upgrades I've been debating whether or not to spring for a Seattle cRPG server if chadz would be cool with that.
I don't think Seattle should be considered, the population up there is low, and will only benefit a small number over people, and will exclude so many more.
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It will still be lower. I don't entirely get it though. I mean Gorath offers to pay for the server himself even yet people don't think it's worth it? Any WC server is great. I am of course all for Seattle as it's close to me. You play on an east coast server atm, and it works right? Seattle can only be better, for alot of people. For those right in the middle of pings, I guess they just get more variety.
Let's face it. It would be a swing vote on which server to play right. During peak hours in EC alot of WC people might play due to higher #'s, while it would be vice versa for the WC peak times. It would yo-yo but at least alot of us on this side of the map could get a taste of low ping.
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I'd be content if just one of the three current servers would move to Dallas, but a West Coast server would be even more wonderful!
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It will still be lower. I don't entirely get it though. I mean Gorath offers to pay for the server himself even yet people don't think it's worth it? Any WC server is great. I am of course all for Seattle as it's close to me. You play on an east coast server atm, and it works right? Seattle can only be better, for alot of people. For those right in the middle of pings, I guess they just get more variety.
Let's face it. It would be a swing vote on which server to play right. During peak hours in EC alot of WC people might play due to higher #'s, while it would be vice versa for the WC peak times. It would yo-yo but at least alot of us on this side of the map could get a taste of low ping.
Don't get my wrong, I'm not really debating the location for my own interests. I'll get a lower ping from Seattle for sure as I'm in Nor-Cal. But there are others namely, 24,000,000 people in Texas and many more in the surrounding areas that wouldn't. How many play M&B WarBand... I don't know. But I started a poll hoping that Gorath would pick a more centralized location for the fact that I would like to see the community grow and attract more attention.
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Don't get my wrong, I'm not really debating the location for my own interests. I'll get a lower ping from Seattle for sure as I'm in Nor-Cal. But there are others namely, 24,000,000 people in Texas and many more in the surrounding areas that wouldn't. How many play M&B WarBand... I don't know. But I started a poll hoping that Gorath would pick a more centralized location for the fact that I would like to see the community grow and attract more attention.
IMO a growing population means overpopulated servers. I already have to wait to get on during peak times with that crazy cool down pw timer. The servers can only handle what the donators are already donating for slot space. Maybe this is a dilluted point since perhaps more players means more donators, but I would imagine the % of players who actually donate is very small anyways vs the actual player base. I would imagine the real donators are the ones providing the servers, and what is provided is probably all they are comfortable providing. I'd donate monthly to a real low ping server for me. But I'm just one guy. But ya, not arguing a point, because it could really be looked at either way right? No definitive right answer imo. But if Gorath is ready to roll, a Seattle server is awesome!
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IMO a growing population means overpopulated servers. I already have to wait to get on during peak times with that crazy cool down pw timer. The servers can only handle what the donators are already donating for slot space. Maybe this is a dilluted point since perhaps more players means more donators, but I would imagine the % of players who actually donate is very small anyways vs the actual player base. I would imagine the real donators are the ones providing the servers, and what is provided is probably all they are comfortable providing. I'd donate monthly to a real low ping server for me. But I'm just one guy. But ya, not arguing a point, because it could really be looked at either way right? No definitive right answer imo. But if Gorath is ready to roll, a Seattle server is awesome!
I just started playing not to long ago... Right now I have the cash flow to rent multiple servers and keep them hosted for years with out any support from donations or wherever. Am I willing to so? Not yet, I'm not sure this mod is going in a positive growth direction. Right now I seeing a struggling community, bickering, accusations of admin abuse, accusations of favoritism in form of nerfs from the dev no less(not that this is true)etc etc.. We'll see if this continues on a new server.
The issue of more players is no brainier. More players will no doubt bring in more money for servers. With that you'll want to make as many people satisfied, and I'm sorry but Seattle Wa, even with the weight of Canada behind it, is a minority area. It's tiny compared to the Southern/Western States. Just look at the population charts.
In any case since I'm not willing shell out the cash for a server myself ultimately it's up Gorath and if indeed a he chooses Seatle that's fine, I'll get lower pings and I'm sure that some others will as well.
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In my experience in gaming DFW are the best server location for being neutral for all parties that live in any part of America.
In my opinion having a DFW would be the best bet for the expansion of this game and than taking up a dedicated west coast server either in Seattle or San Jose later down the road.
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This has all been hashed over alot quite a few times - the whole WC server thing. I myself have only been playing about 7 weeks maybe, tops? I am with you on all you say Beyz. I still find the community odd at times, but it took awhile to adjust and now it just sort of makes sense. There are some really miserable people who play this mod, and they are so noisy at times they make new players feel like it's a whole bunch of people, but naw. It's really just a few bad apples. All in all I've found the community to be decent enough.
But ya, starting up servers having just started playing. I'd wait for sure.
What's a DFW?
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This has all been hashed over alot quite a few times - the whole WC server thing. I myself have only been playing about 7 weeks maybe, tops? I am with you on all you say Beyz. I still find the community odd at times, but it took awhile to adjust and now it just sort of makes sense. There are some really miserable people who play this mod, and they are so noisy at times they make new players feel like it's a whole bunch of people, but naw. It's really just a few bad apples. All in all I've found the community to be decent enough.
But ya, starting up servers having just started playing. I'd wait for sure.
What's a DFW?
Dallas Forth Worth
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Hate having to do this - but I gotta pull out a map. Wow you guys have alot of states.
Ok, considering the position of the current map unless every NA server would actually move to a central position as suggested I don't see the point in placing more servers merely 2 states over. If that were the case then I would suggest keep the current east coast hubs, with more based out of say Utah. That would make more sense to me if we were trying to make two centralization points. But ya, if it were moving everything to one hub, then right in the middle seems the obvious best spot.
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Hate having to do this - but I gotta pull out a map. Wow you guys have alot of states.
Ok, considering the position of the current map unless every NA server would actually move to a central position as suggested I don't see the point in placing more servers merely 2 states over. If that were the case then I would suggest keep the current east coast hubs, with more based out of say Utah. That would make more sense to me if we were trying to make two centralization points. But ya, if it were moving everything to one hub, then right in the middle seems the obvious best spot.
Nice to see I brought someone around 8-)
I take it you are somewhere in British Columbia? How's the free health care working out for ya?
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Nice to see I brought someone around 8-)
I take it you are somewhere in British Columbia? How's the free health care working out for ya?
Nothing is free. We pay huge taxes. Hst, income tax, hidden taxes, carbon taxes, hidden taxes. We also have to pay for medical, but ya the burden is on the tax payer - aka - the citizen.
Meh, it's an ok place to live. Too cold, too wet. Sometimes I think of moving south.
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I heard lots of Seattle votes, and then bleyz and his negativities. Screw him!
Seattle FTW! I'd donate. I live 15 minutes outside Seattle.
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Living in Jersey, I usually get 60+ ping on the current NA servers. I hate to think what my ping would be on a server in Seattle. If there's to be a West Coast server, we should also get an East Coast server. That way we can properly split our already small community.
Why not somewhere in South Dakota or Nebraska? Somewhere right in the middle that would make players on both coasts even.
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Nothing is free. We pay huge taxes. Hst, income tax, hidden taxes, carbon taxes, hidden taxes. We also have to pay for medical, but ya the burden is on the tax payer - aka - the citizen.
Meh, it's an ok place to live. Too cold, too wet. Sometimes I think of moving south.
No truer statement can be made...
But at least it frees your mind of worry if you catch an illness or get injured. Most people drown in debt while fighting cancer or other illnesses and this is even if you have insurance!!! Quite sad really. And I can't quite rap my head around the idea floating around the States that Socialized medicine would bring about the downfall of society, but somehow our Socialized mail system, schools, etc (I could list shit all day) isn't bad. Go figure.
I live among the pines and snow; and I love cold weather. To bad we don't have Moose this far south!
I heard lots of Seattle votes, and then bleyz and his negativities. Screw him!
Seattle FTW! I'd donate. I live 15 minutes outside Seattle.
From the looks of the Poll (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1427.0.html) Seattle isn't losing out. But the results show what I intended them to. A middle ground should be met!!!
If perhaps you think of others and not just yourself you might come to terms with the idea of a more Centralized Server location. On that note, I'm not fully against a Seattle server location, it's Gorath's deal and if that's where he wants it that's where it will be. I just believe there is a better option for everyone.
Living in Jersey, I usually get 60+ ping on the current NA servers. I hate to think what my ping would be on a server in Seattle. If there's to be a West Coast server, we should also get an East Coast server. That way we can properly split our already small community.
Why not somewhere in South Dakota or Nebraska? Somewhere right in the middle that would make players on both coasts even.
I'd love to get 60 ping!!!! I'm stuck with 100-170ping with spikes into the 300's on those Chicago servers.
Technically Lebanon, Kansas is smack dab in the middle of the US.
I'm all for coastal servers but we're talking one server right now for the West. And as I've pointed out a more mid-west server would better suit the community right now. Somewhere around oh you know Boise or SLC...
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I would love to see a Seattle server. I would be willing to donate some cash to see such, and if you are looking for some admins, I would be willing to do some admining for you.
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Living in Jersey, I usually get 60+ ping on the current NA servers. I hate to think what my ping would be on a server in Seattle. If there's to be a West Coast server, we should also get an East Coast server. That way we can properly split our already small community.
Why not somewhere in South Dakota or Nebraska? Somewhere right in the middle that would make players on both coasts even.
Because we already have Chicago servers that aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
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You guys really think NA has the population to support another NA server? We already have 4 of them, and they are rarely full, except for 1.
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I'm sitting in Bornheim-Hersel, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany. Ping on EU_6 : 80+. You see : Its time for a EU_Germany_Nordrhein-Westfalen_Bornheim-Hersel Server 8-)
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You guys really think NA has the population to support another NA server? We already have 4 of them, and they are rarely full, except for 1.
Yes I do.
I believe that a lot more people would play this mod if they had servers that suited their needs. Who knows how many have players have quit over bad latency?
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I think people are over-valuing a server closer to the west coast. If you're west coast and you're getting pings of 120+ to the chicago server, with spikes of 300+, it's likely your ISP and not the server. I'm east coast, and I get the same ping to the chicago servers as I do to the native dallas servers.
I don't think you'd see a notable improvement in gameplay unless you got a server in your neighborhood somewhere.
For reference, the "same" ping I get on both dallas and chicago servers is between 30 and 50. I know, I'm blessed with a good provider, apparently.
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I think people are over-valuing a server closer to the west coast. If you're west coast and you're getting pings of 120+ to the chicago server, with spikes of 300+, it's likely your ISP and not the server. I'm east coast, and I get the same ping to the chicago servers as I do to the native dallas servers.
I don't think you'd see a notable improvement in gameplay unless you got a server in your neighborhood somewhere.
For reference, the "same" ping I get on both dallas and chicago servers is between 30 and 50. I know, I'm blessed with a good provider, apparently.
No one is over valuating anything! You are living on east coast and being served decent ping times. Stating that it's an issue with someone's provider, when it's a well known fact that distance causes latency, is a bullshit argument.
What State on the East Coast are you located in? Looking at a map there are plenty of states that are about equal distance from Chicago and Dallas, no doubt you are living in such an area.
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Living in Jersey, I usually get 60+ ping on the current NA servers. I hate to think what my ping would be on a server in Seattle. If there's to be a West Coast server, we should also get an East Coast server. That way we can properly split our already small community.
Why not somewhere in South Dakota or Nebraska? Somewhere right in the middle that would make players on both coasts even.
Can't imagine the current EC servers being pulled? We're talking about new servers being introduced as well as what's existing. Though I'm sure after a month or so the playerbase would settle and maybe one of the EC servers wouldn't be needed anymore. Like say the 80 man?
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There are so many people in south & west NA, and wow at some of these arguments. When it comes down to the hosting of servers you have best results to put them on the main hubs (that most traffic ends up going through anyways), which happen to be Chicago, dallas, San jose, and bleh i'd have to look at a map of all the big pipes to remember the less important ones. Sure, you can host one in Seattle, LA, Salt lake city Utah, or some other place as they get OK hosting, but you'll get best results off of the main spots.
Also, Chicago has some of the best latency for east coast (and everywhere close to it). You can't argue that one, it is true. Pretty much anywhere on the east coast, sin florida due to being far away, is going to have 70 or less ping to Chicago. However, anyone west coast is going to have a ping of at the least 80 but usually higher to Chicago.
I say all this but nobody cares. Just do some tracerouting and see the hubs they go through, you'll see.
tl;dr If it is for specifically west coast you want it hosted in San Jose. Most west coast traffic passes through San Jose anyways. It gives the best latency to anyone in the southwest excluding the option of it being hosted in the specific town you live in, which is greedy, etc.
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There are so many people in south & west NA, and wow at some of these arguments. When it comes down to the hosting of servers you have best results to put them on the main hubs (that most traffic ends up going through anyways), which happen to be chicago, dallas, San jose, and bleh i'd have to look at a map of all the big pipes to remember the less important ones. Sure, you can host one in seattle, LA, salt lake city utah, or some other place as they get OK hosting, but you'll get best results off of the main spots.
Also, Chicago has some of the best latency for east coast (and everywhere close to it). You can't argue that one, it is true. Pretty much anywhere on the east coast, sin florida due to being far away, is going to have 70 or less ping to chicago.
I say all this but nobody cares. Just do some tracerouting and see the hubs they go through, you'll see.
tl;dr If it is for specifically west coast you want it hosted in san jose. Most west coast traffic passes through san jose anyways. It gives the best latency to anyone in the southwest excluding the option of it being hosted in the specific town you live in, which is greedy, etc.
Take the marbles out of your mouth and use simpler terms for simple people. All I heard was - put it in Seattle...then blah blah blah...etc.
Don't make it come to this -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDDAqViQGqQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDDAqViQGqQ&feature=related)
edit - Can't seem to tidy up that link for whatever reason
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I live in Oregon, my ping for chicago based servers is regularly 120 or so. While I would love a west coast based server I don't think we have the players for it, I would hate to see 50 players in the west coast server, and 50 in the east coast.
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If you wanted to get to a place that is 500 miles away, traveling at 50 miles per hour. You would arrive there faster than trying to get to a place that is only 100 miles away going 5 miles per hour. Ping works the same way.
He is saying to put the server where it has the highest maximum speed, regardless of location.
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If you wanted to get to a place that is 500 miles away, traveling at 50 miles per hour. You would arrive there faster than trying to get to a place that is only 100 miles away going 5 miles per hour. Ping works the same way.
He is saying to put the server where it has the highest maximum speed, regardless of location.
I know I was kidding.
But remember that the server was offered to be located in Seattle. I don't see anyone offering to put it anywhere else? SOmeone else brought up the server location after the fact that only Seattle was even brought to the table as a choice...this is all offtopic.
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dallas is a weak choice. this is a great opportunity to get a better ping server for west coast as well as those who live up north. i like the seattle idea, but having it in mid west usa would probably be decent too. i dont see the point of having it way south though, wouldnt be any different for all the NW people (which there are quite a few of!)
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tl;dr If it is for specifically west coast you want it hosted in San Jose. Most west coast traffic passes through San Jose anyways. It gives the best latency to anyone in the southwest excluding the option of it being hosted in the specific town you live in, which is greedy, etc.
Woah, woah, woah... let's slow down here.
If it was hosted in San Jose I'd be sitting at around 10ms and would never be able to blame my deaths on Ping ever again.
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I think chadz is going away for a week or some shit? I don't remember the community voting on wether he could have holidays or not? Does that mean this isn't happening right away? I have no patience! Omgz!
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I know 8 players just in Fallen that live in the pacific NW, it's be really nice to have a ping that is less than 100 for once.
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San Francisco Or San jose
somewhere in the bayyy
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YES PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZ I live in west coast and I would have sooo much better ping... PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ x 100000000000
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I live in Oregon, my ping for chicago based servers is regularly 120 or so. While I would love a west coast based server I don't think we have the players for it, I would hate to see 50 players in the west coast server, and 50 in the east coast.
Playing today I really hate the current state of lag on the 100 man NA server. I know it's not for everyone, but at round start my ping is elevated around 400-500 high and everything is crawling. Takes 5-10 seconds to adjust. You of course get all the prematch kicks and weopon swings from people with the game windowed down and still using the mouse buttons. Then the ping slowly settles into 90-150 and has spikes accompanied by a general sluggishness that goes up and down. So frustrating by this point. SOmetimes you just have a big lag death where you don't really know what happened.
So ya, playing on a 50 man server on the west coast with a low ping...awesome! The guys can always come over from the EC server and join us, time for them to try lag.
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Don't get my wrong, I'm not really debating the location for my own interests. I'll get a lower ping from Seattle for sure as I'm in Nor-Cal. But there are others namely, 24,000,000 people in Texas and many more in the surrounding areas that wouldn't. How many play M&B WarBand... I don't know. But I started a poll hoping that Gorath would pick a more centralized location for the fact that I would like to see the community grow and attract more attention.
And they all live closer to Chicago than the west coasters. My ping is only 20 lower than people who log into the chicago server from Europe. That is some serious BS and why i don't donate to servers. If a west coast server goes up then I will send some money and actually care about whether or not it stays up.
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Playing today I really hate the current state of lag on the 100 man NA server. I know it's not for everyone, but at round start my ping is elevated around 400-500 high and everything is crawling. Takes 5-10 seconds to adjust. You of course get all the prematch kicks and weopon swings from people with the game windowed down and still using the mouse buttons. Then the ping slowly settles into 90-150 and has spikes accompanied by a general sluggishness that goes up and down. So frustrating by this point. SOmetimes you just have a big lag death where you don't really know what happened.
So ya, playing on a 50 man server on the west coast with a low ping...awesome! The guys can always come over from the EC server and join us, time for them to try lag.
I agree, it would be sweet to not have to deal with all that! I guess the point I was trying to make was I would rather play on a server with 90 folks playing on it than have a choice of two servers with 50 people each.
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I agree, it would be sweet to not have to deal with all that! I guess the point I was trying to make was I would rather play on a server with 90 folks playing on it than have a choice of two servers with 50 people each.
I'd rather have 2 servers with 50 people than one big one where half the people get owned cause the other half has way better ping.
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I'd rather have 2 servers with 50 people than one big one where half the people get owned cause the other half has way better ping.
As would I, but I don't see that happening. During peak hours I often see both Battle servers nearly full, sometimes the siege server has a decent amount of players on as well.
Everyone should understand that a lot of people first trying out the mod from the south west are going to see only a couple of servers with moderate ping levels, then when they play during peak might experience similar lag spikes that I've been experiencing; not to mention the high amount grind, upkeep, constant balance issues (aka nerfs), and the quick realization that you will never catch up to players(like GoreTooth) who have heir loomed 20x and are literally gods on the battlefield.
All of this is driving away a player base and potential funds for more servers. This server has a chance to at least eliminate the bad ping issues for the West and the other issues can be focused on in time.
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Bumping up this old thread to say..
I am all for donating towards a West Coast server if someone with clout and know-how would set one up..
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Unless you live in hawaii...you won't see a significant difference. I lived in cali and got 80 ping...played just fine.
But ATS at one time also had a dallas server...where I got 60 ping...with no notible difference. Try getting a better internet connection first before having someone pay 100 bucks a month for a server, and save money.
Also...I think the hardly populated STO(lljk) server proves my theory that NA does not have the population for another server. Sorry to disapoint but I advise against this.
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I don't even play cRPG anymore because of the shitty ping. I might be willing to pay for a portion of the monthly fees associated with a possible for a West Coast server depending on the circumstances and the people involved.
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Unless you live in hawaii...you won't see a significant difference. I lived in cali and got 80 ping...played just fine.
But ATS at one time also had a dallas server...where I got 60 ping...with no notible difference. Try getting a better internet connection first before having someone pay 100 bucks a month for a server, and save money.
From what I've read going through Reapy's posts you shouldn't notice a difference going from 60 to 80. It's 30-50 where you truly see what's going on, 60-80 where it's playable but you have noticably less time to react to things (Being a fellow Californian, I play in this range), and then triple digits where you might as well guess (I like hanging out in EU, doesn't really affect my archer since I guess where people are going anyway.)
I do agree with you that it probably won't work due to not having enough people. It's not just the TFO server that suffers from a lack of population, often the majority of players are playing on either the ATS server or Devilize's server but not at the same time. One might be peaking while the other usually seems to have like 5 players.
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Thats the thing though, none of the servers are currently west coast. The reason why they are unpopulated is because they all cater towards the same player base.
A west coast server pretty much all west coast players would play on. While it would lessen the population of the 2 Central/East servers a bit, the population would still be decent on the West Coast server because ALL of the players on the West coast server (except for clan specific like ATS and Hospitaller) would play on them.
In Washington, during peak hours I consistently get 100+ ping on the current NA servers. This is with a very stable FIOS 25/5 connection.
Like mentioned, the difference between 60-80 isnt great, but the difference between 30 and 100+ is huge. It's still playable, but I would certainly donate towards a West coast server to drop it down to 30.
On a side note: I have good friends that work in gaming server farms (WA based Netriver specifically), and would personally pay for a server. However, I know only people with clout are allowed to have a cRPG server (such as Gorath). This is why I'm so interested in financing, I would do it if someone that knows how and is allowed to do it would set it up. As long as its in the range of WA-CA without going any further east than Utah...
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Our servers anre not meant to single anyone out, but its just not practicle to have a west coast server with so few people...what about the east coast? I don't hear them asking for a server...
The reason why we use a chicago server is because it is right in the middle of everyone except for the few lucky enough to live in the midwest. Yet they pay for it through harsh winters and horrible food :)
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I'd host it. I own a couple of nice C-Class blades that could run a server nicely (and at no cost to anyone).
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West Coast server is a great idea. chadz should definitely let someone else run it though. Preferably someone that that is not affiliated with anyone that runs the current servers. I know a lot of people wish they could run their own server.
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Unless you live in hawaii...you won't see a significant difference. I lived in cali and got 80 ping...played just fine.
But ATS at one time also had a dallas server...where I got 60 ping...with no notible difference. Try getting a better internet connection first before having someone pay 100 bucks a month for a server, and save money.
Also...I think the hardly populated STO(lljk) server proves my theory that NA does not have the population for another server. Sorry to disapoint but I advise against this.
Because for some super smart and not dumb at all reason another chicago server was added. Why would the Fallen Ones server be populated when there are plenty of other chicago servers already?
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Because for some super smart and not dumb at all reason another chicago server was added. Why would the Fallen Ones server be populated when there are plenty of other chicago servers already?
It was mostly because of the overly oppressive admins that ran the Chicago servers tbh. But they identified the problem and somewhat fixed that now though.
Scot is from Chicago like myself.
Why would he locate a server out of somewhere else?
Besides Scot is also being proactive in making his server more unique to the competition with stats and a more relaxed approach to towards administrating the server. The only way to get perma banned is by intentionally killing teammates or multiboxing. Which so far only one person is really permabanned and that is Balton.
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It probably wouldnt last long cuz the community isnt big enough to support it. I think they added a west coast siege server in native, but it only ever had 10-20 people on max before dying out completely.
BTW I hate that guys avatar above me.
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I live too in BC and get 60 ping on NA 80 / 100 and TFO server. When I was in Montreal which is the opposite , I had 30 pin... so coast to coast I lost 30 ping which isn't "that" bad.
My point being, a western server wouldn't make you better because you have 30 ping lesser than usual, but it would make a big difference for that dude in Hawaii and that other guy in Alaska...
So does it worth putting a new server up for only a small % of the players who are stuck so far from the civilization ? (j/k)
And people saying "I'll pay a small amount per month to cover the fees" ... most of them are still underage , don't have a job nor own a credit card and won't support sh*t when the time comes.
So I strongly doubt a Western Server is a good idea, even thought I live on the west coast...
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I don't even play cRPG anymore because of the shitty ping. I might be willing to pay for a portion of the monthly fees associated with a possible for a West Coast server depending on the circumstances and the people involved.
Blah, lamer, the shitty ping is the best about crpg. All those cry babies whining about lag when their ping reaches 40, fun fun fun, so much.
What happened to your plans to meet & marry a very old men in L.A.?
I would be willing to marry him, too, then we would be united, what do you think do you think he would like my picture I posted in the other topic?
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BTW I hate that guys avatar above me.
Indeed, disgusting. Please dont say I m right and its him with a black male prostitute.
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As mentioned, the issue isn't the difference between 60-80 ping, its that us in WA get 100 ping during peak hours compared to 30 ping that many players get.
I play just fine at 100 ping, however it does limit what I can do. I miss manual blocks sheerly because of ping difference sometimes (sometimes I just miss obviously). Also, chambering is pretty much non-existent for me (though I've been practicing it a lot lately to try to get used to the timing).
Anyway..
Tonight at 11:00pm PST: There were 71 players on North America cRPG (Hospitaller), 31 players on NA cRPG (ATS), around 40 in seige. This is not primetime, as on East coast it is 2am, and 1am CST. That's still plenty players at that time of night on a _weekday_.
Are these players East coast players? I doubt it, they are probably West Coast players. Even if only half of them were West Coast, that's still around 50 battle players (ignoring the seige players) which would likely be playing on a West Coast server instead. Again, this is Tuesday night; not prime-time.
Its obvious that if there were a West Coast server, it would have a population. That's like back when there was only a 100 man EU and then a smaller NA server, saying we don't need a 100 man NA server because there isn't enough population to warrant an NA server (which is how it used to be). But guess what? The first NA server thrived and all of us that used to play on the 200+ ping EU server quickly switched to NA once it was a 100 player server.
As any game, Counterstrike, TF2, etc... players flock to their regional servers and the population will flow from one to the other. Early in the evening, the East/Central servers are populated because the West Coast is still at work. As it gets later in the evening, the West Coast server would fill up while the East/Central servers would drop.
It doesn't work like that right now because they are all Chicago servers. There is no regional variance.
I understand the costs related to setting up a server. In fact, not providing my own rack would cost $150/mo to be able to support 100 players (providing my own rack would be about $50/mo). But guess what? We don't have the chance to set up a server because only people trusted by chadz in the community are allowed to tie it to the stat tracking, leveling, item system that is cRPG. And this is fine! That's how it should be to keep things fair. But if people are willing to donate resources, server racks, etc. to at least give it a shot; why not give it a shot?
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East coast doesn't need a server because Chicago is practically on the East Coast. As a west coast player i get a similar ping on the chicago servers compared to people that login from Europe. And it isn't just me either. You can tell a person's location by ping:
30 or less = Chicago
40 - 70 = East Coast
80 - 110 = West Coast
110 - 200 Europe
200+ = China
There is more than enough population for multiple servers. And every server doesn't need to have 100 people playing for the game to be fun. There are also a lot of West Coast players, we are stuck playing on Chicago servers though until we get a West Coast server. Just look at people's pings if you don't believe that and cross reference it with my chart.
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Once I take care of some bills/upgrades I've been debating whether or not to spring for a Seattle cRPG server if chadz would be cool with that.
Ready to roll or did you change your mind?
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Since I'm in Hawaii, I get around 120 ping on the Chicago server, so anything closer to my little rock in the ocean would be fan-freaking-tastic! If you decide to take up a collection, let me know. :mrgreen:
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I'm ready to donate and see this happen as quickly as possible as well! Let's do this!
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You guys thought the man with the lowest awesomebar on the forums would pull through for you? :lol:
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Also from Hawaii, and would happily donate for a Western server too =)
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You guys thought the man with the lowest awesomebar on the forums would pull through for you? :lol:
I still don't entirely get if it's better to have a positive or a negative score?
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There is a new west coast server out. It is the SoA server. Tetris is trying to get the xp to work right now so its not working, but you can join it. The server is located in Seattle. :D
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There is a new west coast server out. It is the SoA server. Tetris is trying to get the xp to work right now so its not working, but you can join it. The server is located in Seattle. :D
Checked out the server. It was empty but I logged in to check my ping. 30! I hope they get this server running properly as it will be my new home.
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There is a new west coast server out. It is the SoA server. Tetris is trying to get the xp to work right now so its not working, but you can join it. The server is located in Seattle. :D
Oh wow, I can't believe I have stayed to see the day that c-rpg got a west coast server, Seattle no less. This is truly wonderful news. My ping there is almost 60, which is almost half of what it is on the Chicago servers (also better ping than on any Native servers).
No longer shall the Great God fall to strikes committed unto his shadow. Now I can finally block attacks instead of just out-maneuvering my opponents on a level they cannot even begin to comprehend.
Out of curiosity, who's server is it?
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Woohoo...Now my ping is only 90-100 --- rather than 120ish+ .
Western Players, start giving this server some company =)