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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Ecko on August 12, 2011, 06:35:03 am

Title: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Ecko on August 12, 2011, 06:35:03 am
Here are the facts:

FCC came to the Northern Empire for aid against the Merc's in return for a peace agreement and future cooperation.
Mercs also came to the Northern Empire for aid against the FCC.

The Northern Empire decided that it was in our best interest not to help either.

Merc's offered 3 players in the empire gold and heirlooms to fight one battle. Those players accepted.

In return, we provided the FCC with 11-15 players in 4-5 battles to make sure we remained neutral and on good terms.

After the FCC used Chaos to mediate a peace with the Mercs, they used the troops/gold supplied from the Mercs to attack the Northern Empire after ATS just finished a battle. Let it be known they cannot be trusted to honor or respect deals.

Most of you know the Northern Empire, we are not aggressive, nor wish to expand. We hold to our word. If you wish to help us, we cannot give you anything in return. The choice is yours. Anyone caught helping the FCC or the guilds attacking with be considered declaring war.

We do not believe we will lose this war, but we do believe it is necessary to warn guilds of backstabbing behavior.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Matey on August 12, 2011, 06:39:26 am

In return, we provided the FCC with 11-15 players in 4-5 battles to make sure we remained neutral and on good terms.

After the FCC used Chaos to mediate a peace with the Mercs, they used the troops/gold supplied from the Mercs to attack the Northern Empire after ATS just finished a battle. Let it be known they cannot be trusted to honor or respect deals.



We do not believe we will lose this war, but we do believe it is necessary to warn guilds of backstabbing behavior.

ok some parts to discuss.
1. 11-15 is exaggeration.
2. we did not USE Chaos to mediate, that was their initiative and we appreciate their efforts.
3. we never had a deal with NE because NE was never willing to make a deal with us.
4. we cant backstab someone who has no deals with us.

the end.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Ecko on August 12, 2011, 06:40:22 am
You asked us to not attack. We agreed. Sounds like a deal to me.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Flawless on August 12, 2011, 06:47:38 am
FOR THE REBELLION!!! DOWN WITH THE EMPIRE!!!!
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Matey on August 12, 2011, 06:48:16 am
eh i dont feel like getting into an argument on the forums about it all. We only ever had tentative deals such as "dont mercs vs us we dont merc vs you" we never had anything else, you chose to stay out of our previous war. Now we are at war with you. Lets try to enjoy it, we have many friends in NE, and if we have offended any, then I apologize, but strat is supposed to be fun... and we think this will be a lot of fun, hopefully most of you agree; we are looking forward to playing on NA ping on offence and defence.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Eutheran on August 12, 2011, 07:18:58 am
Chaos cant be trust? What?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Duster on August 12, 2011, 07:22:45 am
Chaos cant be trust? What?

You can read..... right?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Rikthor on August 12, 2011, 07:23:38 am
Most of you know the Northern Empire, we are not aggressive, nor wish to expand. We hold to our word. If you wish to help us, we cannot give you anything in return. The choice is yours. Anyone caught helping the FCC or the guilds attacking with be considered declaring war.

Pretty sure this is a lie since you not only helped Shogunate plan to attack us and remove us from the map, but you also sent Goretooth with a 1k man army to play. You also paid the Fallen Brigade 300k strategus gold to not merc for us any more. Pretty sure those are all aggressive moves.

In other words, the only person who has proven time and time again they can't be trusted, is you.

Pretty sure.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Panoply on August 12, 2011, 07:25:42 am
OMG BACKSTABBING!

Seriously, aren't wars supposed to happen in Strategus? It'd be pretty freakin' boring if everyone was all chummy. Even if everyone had a treaty with each other, I'd hope that some backstabbers would at least keep things interesting. Isn't there something to be said for a little intrigue? I'm just saying, I'm happy that *something* is happening. Hat's off to the bridgeburners for taking the initiative, even if they are "backstabbers". :P

Quote from: Ecko
we are not aggressive, nor wish to expand

YAAAAAAAAWN! Don't rest on your laurels man! ATS is a powerful clan, with a lot of strong members. Don't waste it, stagnating and sitting on a bunch of frigid fiefs in the snowy north.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Eutheran on August 12, 2011, 07:25:51 am
You can read..... right?
ohhhhhhh i get it now. :p lol
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Goretooth on August 12, 2011, 07:40:16 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQkaD6fG8mk&feature=related
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Classical on August 12, 2011, 08:06:57 am
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Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Graf_Hodenschaf on August 12, 2011, 08:11:32 am
A new war?  :twisted:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Goretooth on August 12, 2011, 08:16:53 am
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Thanks for the gear
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Anwyl on August 12, 2011, 08:21:31 am
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That was hilarious. Thank you for that.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Ecko on August 12, 2011, 08:29:21 am
ohhhhhhh i get it now. :p lol
I meant FCC, not Chaos
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Slantedfloors on August 12, 2011, 08:30:01 am
Thanks for the gear
Man, have you seen the shitty gear we use? You ain't gonna be thanking us for too long.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lorn on August 12, 2011, 08:30:16 am
I meant FCC, not Chaos

Freudian slips are always fun...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Goretooth on August 12, 2011, 08:36:47 am
Freudian slips are always fun...  :mrgreen:
getting exiled is funner.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lorn on August 12, 2011, 08:42:03 am
getting exiled is funner.

Bad English is funny too...
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Goretooth on August 12, 2011, 08:42:47 am
Bad English is funny too...
badder enlgish?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Classical on August 12, 2011, 08:43:03 am
getting exiled is funner.
300k in Rebache is funnierer.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Goretooth on August 12, 2011, 08:50:17 am
hehe still gotta fight me at every battle. Sure that will cost you more.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Classical on August 12, 2011, 08:52:47 am
We'll see, slugger.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Anwyl on August 12, 2011, 08:56:45 am
hehe still gotta fight me at every battle. Sure that will cost you more.

You're not too scary without that armour, killed you 3 times meself during that siege.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Goretooth on August 12, 2011, 08:58:09 am
lol sell that to rest of the team and the scoreboard.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on August 12, 2011, 09:10:44 am
Wow I go to play other things and strategus turns to fire.  Shamefru dispraaaayyyyyy
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Elerion on August 12, 2011, 09:36:54 am
I applaud FCC for keeping Strategus interesting with their aggressive behavior. I also wish we could stop all the "backstabbing" whine. In Strategus, everyone talks to everyone. Anytime someone declares war, it will be a violation of a previous diplomatic relation. War declarations will always be "backstabbing" to some extent.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Patricia on August 12, 2011, 12:16:44 pm
Because Strategus is the definition of Carebear, MAKE ALLIANCES LEFT AND RIGHT.

And then when some guy/clan decides to not be a fucking carebear treehugger "Oh no, he's a backstabber!"
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Anwyl on August 12, 2011, 12:17:43 pm
lol sell that to rest of the team and the scoreboard.

I can't control what my teammates think. Just what I know.  :D

I look forward to fighting you more.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: bosco on August 12, 2011, 12:27:04 pm
That's what happens when you deal with FCC  :P
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lorn on August 12, 2011, 12:44:49 pm
Because Strategus is the definition of Carebear, MAKE ALLIANCES LEFT AND RIGHT.

And then when some guy/clan decides to not be a fucking carebear treehugger "Oh no, he's a backstabber!"

Exactly...

Of course it is NA, and it is filled with dramallamas...as if this thread doesn't show that already...  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Blondin on August 12, 2011, 01:53:59 pm
Thanks to FCC for making some activity.

As fallen doesn't make war to UIF anymore, this version of strat was boring :D
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Varyag on August 12, 2011, 02:09:04 pm
Lol folks have fun  :lol:
Spiders always fight each other in closed space. I hope you know what I meant.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Kazak on August 12, 2011, 02:10:40 pm
One thing I'm concerd of - there will be enough wars here.
Don't judge too fast.
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Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Elerion on August 12, 2011, 02:14:03 pm
Lol folks have fun  :lol:
Spiders always fight each other in closed space. I hope you know what I meant.
Strat is so much more fun when everyone sits back and just collects troops, amirite? Not losing in the super serious medieval simulator is much more important than having fun!
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Zaharist on August 12, 2011, 02:30:12 pm
I also wish we could stop all the "backstabbing" whine. In Strategus, everyone talks to everyone
This.
Don't be naive. Deal with it, and better not to start with backstabbing whines and "they cannot be trusted to respect deals".

Quote
We do not believe we will lose this war
Let's see what happens next and let your battle list talk for you. Good luck.


p.s.
sorry for my baddest english ;)
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Bramd on August 12, 2011, 02:45:17 pm
Lets try to enjoy it, we have many friends in NE, and if we have offended any, then I apologize, but strat is supposed to be fun...

This, especially to the Occitan guys who were such a huge help during our last defense before the cease fire and pretty cool in vent as well.  Nothing personal.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Rikthor on August 12, 2011, 02:47:41 pm
Pretty sure this is a lie since you not only helped Shogunate plan to attack us and remove us from the map, but you also sent Goretooth with a 1k man army to play. You also paid the Fallen Brigade 300k strategus gold to not merc for us any more. Pretty sure those are all aggressive moves.

In other words, the only person who has proven time and time again they can't be trusted, is you.

Pretty sure.

Still waiting for your explanation Ecko of how you are not an aggressive clan but you did these lovely things.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Thokan on August 12, 2011, 03:11:37 pm
You wanna rock? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyt6k_AOybE) Bring it up! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U6_nusJgj8)


For the Empire! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moLdZOSF4HA)
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 12, 2011, 04:09:46 pm
What the hell? Northern Empire makes some move?

Did you guys found back your bollocks since last strat?

Oh no... it's FCC that makes a "backstab attack" (is it a trademark?), i tought NE was initiator of this, damm i'm disappointed...
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Gristle on August 12, 2011, 04:38:34 pm
Come on, are we the only ones that enjoy a good fight? Every time we give someone a chance for action, they complain. The Merc war was kind of fun, but the pings and time differences got in the way. An NA war should hopefully be entertaining. To all involved, let's have some fun out there!
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 12, 2011, 05:19:39 pm
I have a hunch the NE or individual factions within, would eventually be aggressors on a military campaign, I think we're trying to get everything under our control for the territory we're claiming before we do any sort of nation building. 

I personally am excited to have aggressors attacking us, gives us a chance to do some fighting (strat was pretty stagnant for battles the last 5 days or more).

Although I'd rather see us "Northern" factions (northern on the strat map) taking the fight to those to our south, I'll welcome a good battle any day of the week. 

In theory though, wars early on weaken both of the parties involved, and gives other kingdoms time to build up (while we're exhausting troops and money). 
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 12, 2011, 05:40:28 pm
300k strategus gold to not merc for us any more.
Not what the money was for.


I have a hunch the NE or individual factions within, would eventually be aggressors on a military campaign...Although I'd rather see us "Northern" factions (northern on the strat map) taking the fight to those to our south... 
Duly noted, thank you for the headsup and preparation time.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 12, 2011, 07:05:28 pm
Not what the money was for.

Duly noted, thank you for the headsup and preparation time.

I'm a lowly foot soldier, and it's just my personal opinion.  It would strategically make sense to try and have some sort of a non-aggression pact with one of your two neighbors.  If you happen to be in Kherg or Swadian territory and have 4 or more neighbors, I'd suggest trying to get a N-AP with at least a couple of them. 

Seeing that we have our eastern/south eastern neighbors attacking, I don't see Hospitallers or NE going on any offenses any time soon.  But who knows I'm completely out of the leadership/diplomacy loop, I just like to bullshit on the forums.  More like an amateur strategerizer.

That being said, Fallen is a big faction on the strat map, as are Hospitallers and our allies.  You'd be a fool not to already be preparing to defend yourselves.  Yeah, I went there!  :)
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 12, 2011, 07:18:19 pm
Lucky for us we have many vassals and are as big as many clans combined  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: SeQuel on August 12, 2011, 07:22:46 pm
Why do you gotta tell Tears my plan to destroy him and take all of Fallens territory single handedly.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 12, 2011, 07:28:20 pm
Why do you gotta tell Tears my plan to destroy him and take all of Fallens territory single handedly.
Why is there no upvote on this forum?!
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 12, 2011, 07:32:54 pm
sorry TS, I figure I throw Tears a bone and he'll spread em for me
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: SeQuel on August 12, 2011, 08:03:01 pm
sorry TS, I figure I throw Tears a bone and he'll spread em for me

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Ecko on August 12, 2011, 08:33:36 pm

That being said, Fallen is a big faction on the strat map, as are Hospitallers and our allies.  You'd be a fool not to already be preparing to defend yourselves.  Yeah, I went there!  :)

You sir...are an idiot.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Blondin on August 12, 2011, 08:44:57 pm
Historicaly (i mean from last strat) Eastern Tsardom was vassals of Fallen, no?

About Hospitalers, if i remember they were eradicate from the map by fallen, so they may want to retaliate (they were smaller at that time).
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 12, 2011, 08:49:19 pm
Historicaly (i mean from last strat) Eastern Tsardom was vassals of Fallen, no?

About Hospitalers, if i remember they were eradicate from the map by fallen, so they may want to retaliate (they were smaller at that time).

Honestly, if ATS and TS and Hosp want to pick a fight with Fallen and HRE and the Khans, then I am ok with that 2-1 ratio I will enjoy, as well as us being able to attack them with our NA guys on their NA servers, and then defend with an EU server with our EU guys just to fuck with their pure NA roster. It would be amusing. Win or lose, there will be a lot of rage threads, and I get to fight in a real war!

Wars are so much more interesting then peace times, even if losing and not winning.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Blondin on August 12, 2011, 08:58:07 pm
Honestly, if ATS and TS and Hosp want to pick a fight with Fallen and HRE and the Khans, then I am ok with that 2-1 ratio I will enjoy, as well as us being able to attack them with our NA guys on their NA servers, and then defend with an EU server with our EU guys just to fuck with their pure NA roster. It would be amusing. Win or lose, there will be a lot of rage threads, and I get to fight in a real war!

Wars are so much more interesting then peace times, even if losing and not winning.

I'm pretty sure NE will never attack Fallen  :D
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: hotcobbler on August 12, 2011, 09:19:53 pm
Huesby's posts are pure speculation, and he is not in a leadership role as he has admitted here.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lorn on August 12, 2011, 09:21:31 pm
Huesby's posts are pure speculation, and he is not in a leadership role as he has admitted here.

I sense excuses...  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: hotcobbler on August 12, 2011, 09:31:33 pm
Nope, just truth. I don't know where he's getting this, as I'm almost always on the our TS, and I never see him on there.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on August 12, 2011, 09:33:39 pm
This thread reminds me of the Spanish-American War....
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Sphinxer on August 12, 2011, 10:41:11 pm
It sucks to fight friends, and like Matey hurried to point out : This is Strategus, we do war for fun. We didn't mean to offend anyone , just to make it less boring and more interesting. Attacking NA , defending NA .. that's how it should be.

To my dear friends, we shall remain friends (if you want to, cause I want to :P) and have fun bashing on each other's shield !

But most importantly ... --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DbAs203r3Y&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DbAs203r3Y&feature=related)
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: 7000bc on August 13, 2011, 12:11:32 am
How about we all say fuck it, and execute order 66 and see which faction is left standing out of the chaos?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Classical on August 13, 2011, 12:14:31 am
How about we all say fuck it, and execute order 66 and see which faction is left standing out of the chaos?

Like Chaos would get involved in anything, ever, at all.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Sphinxer on August 13, 2011, 12:55:09 am
They'll get involved at the end .. "again" :P (j/k)
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: dynamike on August 13, 2011, 02:26:12 am
Exactly.

Chaos ( /ˈkeɪ.ɒs/;Greek: χάος ) refers to a state lacking order or predictability.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Dexxtaa on August 13, 2011, 03:01:32 am
They'll get involved at the end .. "again" :P (j/k)

HEY. I resent that.

Because it's truuuuue

EEYYYY
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Darkkarma on August 13, 2011, 04:09:05 am
Is the war almost over yet? I wanna play!
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Kaelaen on August 13, 2011, 04:33:14 am
There is an appalling amount of hugging and kissing going on between the rebel riffraff and the evil Empire.  Did Luke ever hug the Emperor?  No.  Now quit doing so.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Thokan on August 13, 2011, 04:36:51 am
There is an appalling amount of hugging and kissing going on between the rebel riffraff and the evil Empire.  Did Luke ever hug the Emperor?  No.  Now quit doing so.

Vader in his black armor, read Goretooth, did. Does that count?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: panderson on August 13, 2011, 07:16:00 am
I sense excuses...  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Go back to your cave, troll.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on August 13, 2011, 07:21:28 am
Vader in his black armor, read Goretooth, did. Does that count?
We just need to make sure Goretooth keeps his helmet on or he might betray us...
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: sWalker on August 13, 2011, 03:15:06 pm
Just know, my friends and honorable opponents, that the sWalker joins this fray soon...
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Voso on August 14, 2011, 12:20:07 am
Just know, my friends and honorable opponents, that the sWalker joins this fray soon...

Surely the sWalker is Luke skyWalker?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Nasturtium on August 14, 2011, 07:17:49 am
Man lets none of us forget that this is a game now.... especially Ecko and Zealot.  sWalker If I fight against you in this war I guarantee you will be kicked in the ass at least once.... they do not grow them humble in the south so it is my personal mission to kick your ass until you learn humility... of the ass. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 14, 2011, 07:53:02 am
oh, good.
We are playing a war game, there better be war.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lorn on August 14, 2011, 07:53:54 am
oh, good.
We are playing a war game, there better be war.

*Negotiations have started*
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Duster on August 14, 2011, 08:14:05 am
More like Northern Empire vs FCC and a ton of vultures.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Voso on August 14, 2011, 08:16:54 am
More like Northern Empire vs FCC and a ton of vultures.

Hey hey hey now, TKoV is no vulture.  :(
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Duster on August 14, 2011, 08:19:42 am
Hey hey hey now, TKoV is no vulture.  :(

Fallen, LLJK, and a few more I'm sure.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lordark on August 14, 2011, 09:53:14 am
Future warning to all clans with 'knights' in thier name. U best change it to Bandit or Ex-Knight, or Risen from the grave knight, or Bridgeburning anarchist, Merc or something. Even Weaabo! :D Or else your turn will be up next! This is a bad boys world so you either start acting like it or start sucking up to em.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Voso on August 14, 2011, 09:55:41 am
Future warning to all clans with 'knights' in thier name. U best change it to Bandit or Ex-Knight, or Risen from the grave knight, or Bridgeburning anarchist, Merc or something. Even Weaabo! :D Or else your turn will be up next! This is a bad boys world so you either start acting like it or start sucking up to em.

What clan are you even referring to? lol
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Anwyl on August 14, 2011, 09:55:55 am
Future warning to all clans with 'knights' in thier name. U best change it to Bandit or Ex-Knight, or Risen from the grave knight, or Bridgeburning anarchist, Merc or something. Even Weaabo! :D Or else your turn will be up next! This is a bad boys world so you either start acting like it or start sucking up to em.

Anyone else able to make sense of this?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Wiegraf_BRD on August 14, 2011, 10:44:37 am
Quote
Future warning to all clans with 'knights' in thier name. U best change it to Bandit or Ex-Knight, or Risen from the grave knight, or Bridgeburning anarchist, Merc or something. Even Weaabo! :D Or else your turn will be up next! This is a bad boys world so you either start acting like it or start sucking up to em.


WIEGRAFS ILLUSTRIOUS AND INVINCIBLE HATCHET WIELDING CHINESE BANDIT ARMY OF DEATH is open to all bandits and ex-knights.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lorn on August 14, 2011, 11:21:36 am
Fallen, LLJK, and a few more I'm sure.

Not my fault one of your members was responsible for all of this...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Slantedfloors on August 14, 2011, 11:48:49 am
Fallen, LLJK, and a few more I'm sure.
This is less a matter of clans being vultures and more a measure of how many people find ATS annoying.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Keshian on August 14, 2011, 12:09:07 pm

WIEGRAFS ILLUSTRIOUS AND INVINCIBLE HATCHET WIELDING CHINESE BANDIT ARMY OF DEATH is open to all bandits and ex-knights.

Sign me up...  I'll leave Bridgeburning anarchists tomorrow.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lorn on August 14, 2011, 12:21:54 pm
Anyone else able to make sense of this?

Drunken rantings of a fail troll perhaps...

Other than that, no idea.  :|

This is less a matter of clans being vultures and more a measure of how many people find ATS annoying.

You can never talk sense into those that are intentionally delusional.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tanreall on August 14, 2011, 03:24:02 pm
When we attack we're vultures but when they dog pile they're justified. Remember they beat dfc in a *~fair fight~*
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on August 14, 2011, 04:11:52 pm
Ima vulture.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Thokan on August 14, 2011, 04:41:30 pm
Remember they beat dfc in a *~fair fight~*

Veni, vidi, vici. We spawned, we marched, we steamrolled. It was as fair as the game mechanics would allow.

Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Rikthor on August 14, 2011, 04:53:12 pm
Veni, vidi, vici. We spawned, we marched, we steamrolled. It was as fair as the game mechanics would allow.

Then by that standard, thanks to Superior Goon Tactics™, we must be gods.  :rolleyes:

Just goes to show the double standard you employee, NE does it well it's "as fair as game mechanics would allow." Goons do it, it's exploiting and game breaking.

As for us being vultures, Slanted brings up a good point. You decided to send Goretooth with an army while 5 other armies of the Northern Nutcupping Alliance of the Not So Honorable Empire™, which consisted of 10 or 11 clans, attacked us.

What does that make you exactly, super duper vultures?  :lol:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 14, 2011, 05:01:20 pm
I thought vultures went after the dead and dying, does this mean the Northern Empire already is admitting defeat?   :|

The correct gaming term is "bottom feeding" when a significantly larger foe attacks a smaller one for "easy points."

Regardless, my apologies to anyone who was communicating with me on what was going on, as my information was outdated, as is now obvious.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Thokan on August 14, 2011, 05:58:13 pm
Just goes to show the double standard you employee, NE does it well it's "as fair as game mechanics would allow." Goons do it, it's exploiting and game breaking.

There is a difference between forming a shieldwall and cohesively marching towards the enemy and rushing with cavalry to cap the flag before the enemy spawns. We weren't rushing their spawn, we took our time and all of the dfc were spawned. There was no exploiting in place.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Boss_Awesome on August 14, 2011, 05:59:32 pm
This is less a matter of clans being vultures and more a measure of how many people find ATS annoying.

Northern Empire took the lead on the "lets call archers my old friends all day every day" when strat was down.  This is called karma and a long time coming.  Never forget.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Rikthor on August 14, 2011, 06:02:55 pm
There is a difference between forming a shieldwall and cohesively marching towards the enemy and rushing with cavalry to cap the flag before the enemy spawns. We weren't rushing their spawn, we took our time and all of the dfc were spawned. There was no exploiting in place.

No. You know you are wrong. Even Ecko admits this. You and Hospergler_Husby must have a contest for being the densest posters in NE.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Thokan on August 14, 2011, 06:13:48 pm
No. You know you are wrong. Even Ecko admits this. You and Hospergler_Husby must have a contest for being the densest posters in NE.

I admit the game mechanic is faulty. Nothing else. We did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: BADPLAYERold on August 14, 2011, 06:18:47 pm
There is nothing wrong with ATS (or anyone) using bad game mechanics to their own advantage, anyone else would do the same in their position or are you tell me you would wait for all of the enemy to spawn and get organized so you can have a good HONOURABLE battle?

Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Rikthor on August 14, 2011, 06:34:57 pm
There is a difference between forming a shieldwall and cohesively marching towards the enemy and rushing with cavalry to cap the flag before the enemy spawns. We weren't rushing their spawn, we took our time and all of the dfc were spawned. There was no exploiting in place.

Since this evidently to hard for you to understand, not all of Dfc was spawned. This has been a fact that Ecko and everyone else but you and Husby seem to acknowledge.

I admit the game mechanic is faulty. Nothing else. We did nothing wrong.

Now that you admitted that, stop acting like you pulled off some great victory. You didn't.  You rushed the spawn, just like we did in three battles.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2011, 07:08:10 pm
There is nothing wrong with ATS (or anyone) using bad game mechanics to their own advantage, anyone else would do the same in their position or are you tell me you would wait for all of the enemy to spawn and get organized so you can have a good HONOURABLE battle?

I would. That way it's fun for everyone. Otherwise it's very boring for both sides and kind of defeats the point in having battles at all and we may as well stop playing strat. People should really grow up and stop being dicks to each other. Fight a battle properly, have fun. If you lose, you lose. But at least you would have had a bloody good time doing it. Where's the fun in bum rushing a spawn point?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 14, 2011, 07:18:03 pm
Northern Empire took the lead on the "lets call archers my old friends all day every day" when strat was down.  This is called karma and a long time coming.  Never forget.

This. The Fallen do not forget the endless insults heaped upon us simply for even joining a server or cleanly killing a guy, nor do they forget all of the "better watch yourselves" comments that pop up every now and then. Even if this is not the stance of your leaders, enough of your "common soldiers" have this stance that you don't make very safe neighbors.

Besides, we all love a good war.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: BADPLAYERold on August 14, 2011, 07:18:11 pm
The fun is in winning.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2011, 07:21:40 pm
The fun is in winning.

There is no satisfaction in using cheap tactics to win. Especially when it is quite obviously a broken game mechanic. I'd have 100000x more fun fighting a big battle than camping someone spawn and capturing it within a few minutes. But I guess some clans don't mind using cheap, broken tactics for the sake of winning at a computer game.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 14, 2011, 08:44:14 pm
There is no satisfaction in using cheap tactics to win. Especially when it is quite obviously a broken game mechanic. I'd have 100000x more fun fighting a big battle than camping someone spawn and capturing it within a few minutes. But I guess some clans don't mind using cheap, broken tactics for the sake of winning at a computer game.
He was trolling
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Gorath on August 14, 2011, 08:45:35 pm
He was trolling

Or.... was he?
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Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Thokan on August 14, 2011, 09:45:02 pm
Now that you admitted that, stop acting like you pulled off some great victory. You didn't.  You rushed the spawn, just like we did in three battles.

Would have been a great victory if you would have put up a fight, now would it?

We attacked your spawn and failed at defending it. You were all but three spawned when we were several meters from even seeing you. That is facts, I was there, and I watched the list.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Nasturtium on August 14, 2011, 09:53:32 pm
Sigh i am embarassed for the internets.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Gorath on August 14, 2011, 10:14:57 pm
Sigh i am embarassed for the internets.

Join the club.  We had cake and pie, but tears wept in it.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Classical on August 14, 2011, 11:10:20 pm
This. The Fallen do not forget the endless insults heaped upon us simply for even joining a server or cleanly killing a guy, nor do they forget all of the "better watch yourselves" comments that pop up every now and then. Even if this is not the stance of your leaders, enough of your "common soldiers" have this stance that you don't make very safe neighbors.

Besides, we all love a good war.

Yes, that's why the Fallen are doing something now, because they would of surely done something when it was just FCC fighting and LLJK sending stacks up, right? You guys need to defend against server side insults so you would have surely attacked at this opportunity even before the massive stack of super clans that is against ATS added onto the FCC war, right? You wouldn't have left FCC out to dry, would you?

Let Loki do the propaganda spin next time, he's good at that.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Darkkarma on August 14, 2011, 11:19:39 pm
Why can't all of LLJK be this witty!
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: LordBerenger on August 14, 2011, 11:49:39 pm
Fear me for i am a Ewok!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvY969cKzyA
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 15, 2011, 01:18:14 am
Yes, that's why the Fallen are doing something now, because they would of surely done something when it was just FCC fighting and LLJK sending stacks up, right? You guys need to defend against server side insults so you would have surely attacked at this opportunity even before the massive stack of super clans that is against ATS added onto the FCC war, right? You wouldn't have left FCC out to dry, would you?

Let Loki do the propaganda spin next time, he's good at that.
:lol: I never said that was the sole reason. It is merely icing on the cake.  :lol:
Why can't all of LLJK be this witty!
Because the universe would explode.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lordark on August 15, 2011, 09:22:16 am
Yes, that's why the Fallen are doing something now, because they would of surely done something when it was just FCC fighting and LLJK sending stacks up, right? You guys need to defend against server side insults so you would have surely attacked at this opportunity even before the massive stack of super clans that is against ATS added onto the FCC war, right? You wouldn't have left FCC out to dry, would you?

Let Loki do the propaganda spin next time, he's good at that.

I can almost take your words as words of comfort sir... Dare I even say, wisdom?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Warcat on August 15, 2011, 10:25:10 am
Some of you silly factions amuse me with all your talks of diplomacy and agreements. When you show weakness, you should expect to be swarmed and destroyed. Take advantage of every opportunity, leave no hole in your defense, learn to adapt to the world as it changes around you. If you are willing to have a massively inflated ego, defend it as the mercs did when they were attacked. This is the Calradia, there is no good and evil, right or wrong, there is only power and those to weak wield it. An average serf from the Fallen Steppe would be better fit to rule an empire than some of you swine.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Braeden on August 15, 2011, 11:28:05 am
Some of you silly factions amuse me with all your talks of diplomacy and agreements. When you show weakness, you should expect to be swarmed and destroyed. Take advantage of every opportunity, leave no hole in your defense, learn to adapt to the world as it changes around you. If you are willing to have a massively inflated ego, defend it as the mercs did when they were attacked. This is the Calradia, there is no good and evil, right or wrong, there is only power and those to weak wield it. An average serf from the Fallen Steppe would be better fit to rule an empire than some of you swine.

Thank you, Warcat.
I think people were beginning to forget who the Fallen are.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: ReLeNtLeSs on August 15, 2011, 11:40:26 am
Thank you, Warcat.
I think people were beginning to forget who the Fallen are.

Now now, that may not have been Warcat. It could have easily been Village Elder or Merchant of Tulga, maybe even Tavern Keeper. Warcat loves his RP.  :lol:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lorn on August 15, 2011, 12:43:23 pm
Now now, that may not have been Warcat. It could have easily been Village Elder or Merchant of Tulga, maybe even Tavern Keeper. Warcat loves his RP.  :lol:

He has a new one...damn what was it?!
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 15, 2011, 12:47:05 pm
I can almost take your words as words of comfort sir... Dare I even say, wisdom?

To be fair, classical likely does not know that the "last straw" of insults was a certain charming member full blasting his drunken bias at fallen diplomats, so it does look like we merely jumped on and then stayed the course for the hell of it.

But yes, warcat does have a point. We are not knights, we are bandits thieves outcasts and killers. Why would we not take advantage of an opportunity?

Too many reasons to attack, and honestly we don't need a single one.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Overdriven on August 15, 2011, 01:12:13 pm
Pfft no one needs a reason to wage a war here. If the other clans have a weakness, and you've bided your time and gained in strength both militarily and diplomatically, then there's only one obvious answer :wink:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 15, 2011, 01:12:55 pm
Pfft no one needs a reason to wage a war here. If the other clans have a weakness, and you've bided your time and gained in strength both militarily and diplomatically, then there's only one obvious answer :wink:

A bake sale or food drive?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Braeden on August 15, 2011, 01:13:33 pm
Horse wash.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Overdriven on August 15, 2011, 01:19:04 pm
A bake sale or food drive?

Precisely...preferably with muffins. I love muffins.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Noctivagant on August 15, 2011, 03:55:15 pm
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Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Thokan on August 15, 2011, 04:29:46 pm
You call it a battle list. We call it Order 66  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Blondin on August 15, 2011, 05:23:24 pm
What i find funny is that everybody was telling in last strat that they will remember action of clans, drz was at war against fallen, pub crawl, templars, traitors and all the shit.

Finaly everybody attack the only clan who did not a fuckin thing in last strat!!

Backstab your opponents, attack everywhere, be without honor (or honour) and ppl will respect abd fear you.
Do nothing and show some weakness, you will be slaugthered!
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Rikthor on August 15, 2011, 05:38:10 pm
What i find funny is that everybody was telling in last strat that they will remember action of clans, drz was at war against fallen, pub crawl, templars, traitors and all the shit.

Finaly everybody attack the only clan who did not a fuckin thing in last strat!!

Backstab your opponents, attack everywhere, be without honor (or honour) and ppl will respect abd fear you.
Do nothing and show some weakness, you will be slaugthered!

This is somewhat accurate but at the same time not really.

FCC - Wanted a good fight for example
Fallen - Were tired of being told to watch their backs by members of NE and evidently of archer insults
DRZ - Not sure
LLJK - We have been at war them pretty much months before strat started and ATS actually came down to attack us when Shogunate and co tried to wipe us out.

So each clan or alliance has their own reasons for doing things, not just because they saw ATS/NE as weak before the attacks started. I would assume most people/clans saw ATS/NE as rather strong opponents to begin with.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 15, 2011, 05:48:50 pm
Yup, the NE before this mess started was a formidable foe.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: partyboy on August 15, 2011, 06:38:49 pm
Yes they sure were formidable before any battles against other clans happened
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: hotcobbler on August 15, 2011, 06:43:30 pm
When did NE tell Fallen to watch their backs?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Gash on August 15, 2011, 06:53:42 pm
What i find funny is that everybody was telling in last strat that they will remember action of clans, drz was at war against fallen, pub crawl, templars, traitors and all the shit.

Finaly everybody attack the only clan who did not a fuckin thing in last strat!!

Backstab your opponents, attack everywhere, be without honor (or honour) and ppl will respect abd fear you.
Do nothing and show some weakness, you will be slaugthered!

Frankly, I'm speechless.  Blondin hit the nail on the head.

I got back from a 4-day trip to find just about every clan marching towards us for..... ???  I can understand LLJK and to an extent Fallen...  but BRD? DRZ? CHAOS? and the horde of other vulture-clans taking advantage of this cluster-fuck?

We held good relations with just about every clan nearby. We didn't pick sides during the mercs vs BRD when asked out of respect for both - and now we're getting attacked? lmao. Guess we'll pick a side next time and wipe out a faction. Screw honor and reputation right? Its always easier on the internet to ignore those.

Yes, Fallen has always been a big clan south of us.  I would have love to see an eventual war go out against them and their vassals...  or even now with this random BRD (FCC) versus us... but what we got right now, 10+ clans piling up on the vulture bandwagon because we've taken loses...  that's just fucken low - I know war is hell - but the balance of power just flew right out the fucken window on this one lmao.

NE wasn't a formidable foe before this mess started, we we're still building up, minding our own business, trying to re-claim what we had before the wipe. We have good soldiers and we calculate our steps properly to make no mistake.  Then, out of fucken no where, former trade partners, former defensive pact partners, and former friends decide to stomp right in - opening the door to vultures and clans who claim, 'we just want a war, that's what strat is all about right?' - right, strat is about war, not slaughter...

Enjoy your 'war'  - and screw the star wars references, this is totally the ending of the 300 movie. lol

What's the next move? the lot of you draw straws and the clan with the shortest one gets stomped on by all the others simultaneously?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Warcat on August 15, 2011, 07:01:06 pm
One thing that I still don't get though, is why no one has even been hired for the battles. Even in a lost cause I can't imagine ever doing anything other than fighting to the last man. Was actually looking forward to the fights againist TS last night. I remember when Templars were getting stomped on, they still hired a few random peasants to defend their villages for free.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 15, 2011, 07:03:11 pm
You sir...are an idiot.

It's a game forum, I post at work.  I'm an idiot for posting obvious logic/strategy that a 3rd grader could predict?  Fallen and their allies to our south and to our west have obviously been in cahoots for a long time for this coordinated attack to take place.  Me posting the obvious on a game forum isn't what directed half of the strategus world to attack our empire.

You want to talk about idiots, lets go over some Northern Empire failed decision making since this strategus has been out for a month.

1)  Fallen attacks bhulaban very early on, instead of attacking their forces and wiping them out, we allow them to retreat and we pay them back troops for their losses.
2)  and 3) Two separate times we let our enemies retreat with their troops because we captured their spawn point instead of bleeding their troops dry (that's two failures in one post).
4)  Hospitallers gives you thousands of troops and we fight a battle without the necessary equipment to finish the battle (at rebache), not to mention a complete lack of in game-organization or leadership.

I'm not saying that had we not done these things that our fate would be any different, but our Northern Empire has had many failings from the very start of strategus, despite many a grumblings from the foot soldiers (and outright disagreement with decisions like bhulaban in the first week of strat).

*EDIT*  hopefully this is just beta as the name implies and that the devs are trying to make things more intuitive and player friendly (as well as fixing some game mechanics that get brought up during the testing).  if worst comes to worst i'll pack up my pieces and merc until strat map is re-wiped and a new version comes out.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: hotcobbler on August 15, 2011, 07:23:02 pm
One thing that I still don't get though, is why no one has even been hired for the battles. Even in a lost cause I can't imagine ever doing anything other than fighting to the last man. Was actually looking forward to the fights againist TS last night. I remember when Templars were getting stomped on, they still hired a few random peasants to defend their villages for free.

Kind of hard for NA clans to fight battles in the middle of the day on a monday. Many of us hold these things called "jobs."
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 15, 2011, 07:30:27 pm
I think he's talking about last night, I'm assuming it has to do with strategy.   But who the hell really knows any more.  I'd still be willing to fight as a naked peasant (even if you aren't going to reinforce that particular village with more troops, money or equipment).
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Zanthos on August 15, 2011, 07:47:12 pm
One thing that I still don't get though, is why no one has even been hired for the battles. Even in a lost cause I can't imagine ever doing anything other than fighting to the last man. Was actually looking forward to the fights againist TS last night. I remember when Templars were getting stomped on, they still hired a few random peasants to defend their villages for free.

Remember the number of clans and resources being thrown at us all at once. It is more of a strategic decision. It is quite hard to fund gold and troops to fight battles on all fronts and actually have a fighting chance. If we have the choice of being both outnumbered and outgunned in 5 different battles versus having a fighting chance in 1 battle... we'll choose the 1 battle.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Visus on August 15, 2011, 07:58:29 pm
Can you guys at least tell us when you will make this last stand? I hate signing up for battles and being disappointed.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: hotcobbler on August 15, 2011, 08:02:57 pm
Boohoo. Somehow I have a hard time feeling bad about that. I wonder why...
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: vinnytk on August 15, 2011, 08:14:25 pm
Fallen, LLJK, and a few more I'm sure.

IIRC ATS and NE declared war on us or does that fact mess up your sob story?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Matey on August 15, 2011, 08:36:01 pm


We held good relations with just about every clan nearby. We didn't pick sides during the mercs vs BRD when asked out of respect for both - and now we're getting attacked? lmao. Guess we'll pick a side next time and wipe out a faction. Screw honor and reputation right? Its always easier on the internet to ignore those.


NE wasn't a formidable foe before this mess started, we we're still building up, minding our own business, trying to re-claim what we had before the wipe.



just wanted to address these points.
1. Honestly, I think you should have picked a side, even if it was Mercs.. at least you would be doing something. It would have been possible to stay nice and neutral as well, but when you guys started mercing for both sides and some of the things I was told when speaking with NE about why they are staying out this caused a lot of offence. FCC didn't commit to this war as a "fuck you" to ATS or NE, but I would be lying if I said we weren't eager for a fight with ATS after some of the things that were said to us during our war with the Mercs.

2. That is the problem. You guys had 3 weeks to become formidable. LLJK has been fighting wars since strat came up... FCC and Mercs were fighting since strat came up... and yet FCC was able to launch effective offensives against you, and LLJK was able to spare an army to come all the way north, and Mercs are in a good enough position to hold the centre without people jumping on them. How is it that three clans that have been constantly at war are still more prepared for war than an alliance that has been doing nothing but building up? You guys should have had enough troops and gold to do serious damage to all attackers.

Sorry if you take offence at my comments, but I feel they are relevant.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: hotcobbler on August 15, 2011, 08:42:57 pm
Matey, do you honestly think any clan could hold every single one of their possessions if ALL of their neighbors decided to attack them at the same time? If they could, I would say strat is wayyyyy to unbalanced toward the defender.

Just my two cents, nothing about politics, just game mechanics.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Matey on August 15, 2011, 08:50:44 pm
im not saying you would hold everything, im saying you should have been able to put up a solid fight at each town. also, i think if you guys had crushed FCC in its offensive... you might not have seen too many other clans getting involved.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 15, 2011, 08:55:52 pm
Just my two cents, nothing about politics, just game mechanics.
It has everything about politics; politics and diplomacy fails and successes are what sucked this massive clusterfuck of clans against the NE.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: SPQR on August 15, 2011, 09:04:27 pm
Essentially what it all boils down to was NE being a paper tiger. Everyone put up with them being arrogant jerks before because a war with NE was thought to be too costly and difficult. FCC however, came in, and pulled back the curtain so to speak, to reveal that while NE may be proficient at beating up on AI fiefs but when it comes to PvP wars they were not up to speed.

Once that became apparent it was only a matter of time before the surrounding clans jumped in to claim their slice of the pie.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 15, 2011, 09:07:13 pm
Once that became apparent it was only a matter of time before the surrounding clans jumped in to claim their slice of the pie.

Well in the case of the "Fallen" jumping on the bandwagon, it was mainly because of a drunkard blowing up at our diplomats with very interesting things to say.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 15, 2011, 09:10:05 pm
Well it was probably a mistake for our leaders to send an army down to LLJK lands.  It was another grievous error not to equip troops at rebache which left us vulnerable to more attacks when others noticed a hole in our territory. 

Along with other mistakes I pointed out, we're just fucking ourselves over just as much as getting it from external forces.  But that's something I have to deal with when I decided to put my loyalty with NE leadership.

I have a feeling that a lack of diplomacy and a concerted effort by our neighbors was also a big factor. 
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Darkkarma on August 15, 2011, 09:13:41 pm
Well in the case of the "Fallen" jumping on the bandwagon, it was mainly because of a drunkard blowing up at our diplomats with very interesting things to say.

Given your past history, it's not like you guys would be inviting one another to your slumber parties. I feel that if the shoe were on the other foot they likely would have tried to do the same thing to you lot that they tried to do with LLJK once their hands were tied by fighting on multiple fronts. As many have already stated, unless you're one of those mega factions out there, you can't really afford to not strike against your enemies when the odds are in your favor. I mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the NE have  a bit of a similar history when it comes to trying to move against The Fallen?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Rikthor on August 15, 2011, 09:27:52 pm
Well it was probably a mistake for our leaders to send an army down to LLJK lands.  It was another grievous error not to equip troops at rebache which left us vulnerable to more attacks when others noticed a hole in our territory. 

Along with other mistakes I pointed out, we're just fucking ourselves over just as much as getting it from external forces.  But that's something I have to deal with when I decided to put my loyalty with NE leadership.

I have a feeling that a lack of diplomacy and a concerted effort by our neighbors was also a big factor.

I may be mistaken in the timeline of things Husby but one of the higher ups either in the alliance leadership or ATS leadership thought it was a good idea to put most of their money into one army for one battle. When said battle was lost, a huge chunk of the gold went a long with it. It's why Kesh is covered in diamonds now.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Darkkarma on August 15, 2011, 09:30:51 pm
I may be mistaken in the timeline of things Husby but one of the higher ups either in the alliance leadership or ATS leadership thought it was a good idea to put most of their money into one army for one battle. When said battle was lost, a huge chunk of the gold went a long with it. It's why Kesh is covered in diamonds now.

What's even more hilarious/sad is that almost every major faction that moved against the NE was aware of this and which village it was.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: SPQR on August 15, 2011, 09:33:37 pm
Diplomatically I think NE made the same mistake the Templars made of using their (perhaps perceived) position of power to insert themselves into the affairs of others. This of course, over time builds a large pool of clans that are resentful over the slights they feel they have suffered. So once the blood was in the water of course everyone came out of the woodwork to settle their scores as was the case with the Templars and again here now.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 15, 2011, 10:02:59 pm
SPQR speaks the truth.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Segd on August 15, 2011, 10:12:03 pm
FCC - Wanted a good fight for example
Fallen - Were tired of being told to watch their backs by members of NE and evidently of archer insults
DRZ - Not sure
LLJK - We have been at war them pretty much months before strat started and ATS actually came down to attack us when Shogunate and co tried to wipe us out.

So each clan or alliance has their own reasons for doing things, not just because they saw ATS/NE as weak before the attacks started. I would assume most people/clans saw ATS/NE as rather strong opponents to begin with.

This old video forced us to attack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od0zPK5IHhE&
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 15, 2011, 10:14:48 pm
What's even more hilarious/sad is that almost every major faction that moved against the NE was aware of this and which village it was.

Sad because I wasn't in the loop (as a footman) but other clans were.... If that was rebache than i'm even more pissed off.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Darkkarma on August 15, 2011, 10:19:57 pm
I feel for you man. I really do. We've talked with a few higher up members in several factions in the NE and they weren't even aware of it.

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Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 15, 2011, 10:21:47 pm
Dumb to make a village your "stronghold" when you have a castle right next door (2 actually).  Not buying equipment for said "stronghold" is even more ridiculous.  Fucking gnjus palm almighty

Anyone hiring mercs?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 15, 2011, 10:25:50 pm
Anyone hiring mercs?
Yes we are, we could use a few good men to help finish the job against the NE.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 15, 2011, 10:51:12 pm
Was more in jest...I'm staying til the bitter end.   I'll worry about options after I have no home or officers leading me.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 15, 2011, 10:55:43 pm
Was more in jest...I'm staying til the bitter end.   I'll worry about options after I have no home or officers leading me.

I have faith that your clan will survive your relocation.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lockt on August 15, 2011, 11:27:57 pm
I have faith that your clan will survive your relocation.

I hope they're not too attached to Northern, in Northern Empire.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: SPQR on August 15, 2011, 11:35:46 pm
I think the Midwestern Empire has a nice ring to it.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Lockt on August 15, 2011, 11:51:50 pm
On second thought, they probably shouldn't get too attached to the "empire" part either.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: vinnytk on August 15, 2011, 11:53:59 pm
midwestern vassal?
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Keshian on August 16, 2011, 12:04:23 am
I may be mistaken in the timeline of things Husby but one of the higher ups either in the alliance leadership or ATS leadership thought it was a good idea to put most of their money into one army for one battle. When said battle was lost, a huge chunk of the gold went a long with it. It's why Kesh is covered in diamonds now.

I am wearing the hertz diamond as we speak. :)
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: SPQR on August 16, 2011, 12:06:37 am
Just change the name to KANSAS and have this as the theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Zaharist on August 16, 2011, 12:23:20 am
NE mistake was that they wanted to be friendly to all neighboors. Claiming 15+ fiefs and trying to be friendly.
It's much easier to make friends and test each other's loyality having the same enemies and fighting by one side.
As for me I do not believe ppl who are trying to be neutral\friendly to all.

It's not SIMS it's Strategus. Bellum omnium contra omnes
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Matey on August 16, 2011, 12:35:07 am
I think "Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum" covers it pretty well. If you want peace, prepare for war.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Elerion on August 16, 2011, 12:54:12 am
Let's be honest: Any clan/alliance that consists of less than half the map are going to find themselves outnumbered at some point. It's just how Strategus works. We can talk about NE's mistakes all night long, but in the end this could happen to the best.
Title: Re: FCC vs Northern Empire
Post by: Ecko on August 16, 2011, 01:04:39 am
NE mistake was that they wanted to be friendly to all neighboors. Claiming 15+ fiefs and trying to be friendly.
It's much easier to make friends and test each other's loyality having the same enemies and fighting by one side.
As for me I do not believe ppl who are trying to be neutral\friendly to all.

It's not SIMS it's Strategus. Bellum omnium contra omnes

I tried. And I was being honest zaharist. I couldn't have stopped any of this, even if I saw the FCC/LLJK thing coming which we did, I didn't, or rather hoped that Fallen wouldn't come at the same time, and by the time chaos and DRZ jumped in, it was already too late. Ganked.

I'm not quitting strategus. I will be back on the 31st. This is just how the game goes. No hard feelings all around, although i am disappointed at those who lied to me to get where they are.