FCC vs Northern Empire

[Matey]

We held good relations with just about every clan nearby. We didn't pick sides during the mercs vs BRD when asked out of respect for both - and now we're getting attacked? lmao. Guess we'll pick a side next time and wipe out a faction. Screw honor and reputation right? Its always easier on the internet to ignore those.


NE wasn't a formidable foe before this mess started, we we're still building up, minding our own business, trying to re-claim what we had before the wipe.

just wanted to address these points.
1. Honestly, I think you should have picked a side, even if it was Mercs.. at least you would be doing something. It would have been possible to stay nice and neutral as well, but when you guys started mercing for both sides and some of the things I was told when speaking with NE about why they are staying out this caused a lot of offence. FCC didn't commit to this war as a "fuck you" to ATS or NE, but I would be lying if I said we weren't eager for a fight with ATS after some of the things that were said to us during our war with the Mercs.

2. That is the problem. You guys had 3 weeks to become formidable. LLJK has been fighting wars since strat came up... FCC and Mercs were fighting since strat came up... and yet FCC was able to launch effective offensives against you, and LLJK was able to spare an army to come all the way north, and Mercs are in a good enough position to hold the centre without people jumping on them. How is it that three clans that have been constantly at war are still more prepared for war than an alliance that has been doing nothing but building up? You guys should have had enough troops and gold to do serious damage to all attackers.

Sorry if you take offence at my comments, but I feel they are relevant.

[hotcobbler]

Matey, do you honestly think any clan could hold every single one of their possessions if ALL of their neighbors decided to attack them at the same time? If they could, I would say strat is wayyyyy to unbalanced toward the defender.

Just my two cents, nothing about politics, just game mechanics.

[Matey]

im not saying you would hold everything, im saying you should have been able to put up a solid fight at each town. also, i think if you guys had crushed FCC in its offensive... you might not have seen too many other clans getting involved.

[Tears of Destiny]

Just my two cents, nothing about politics, just game mechanics.

It has everything about politics; politics and diplomacy fails and successes are what sucked this massive clusterfuck of clans against the NE.

[SPQR]

Essentially what it all boils down to was NE being a paper tiger. Everyone put up with them being arrogant jerks before because a war with NE was thought to be too costly and difficult. FCC however, came in, and pulled back the curtain so to speak, to reveal that while NE may be proficient at beating up on AI fiefs but when it comes to PvP wars they were not up to speed.

Once that became apparent it was only a matter of time before the surrounding clans jumped in to claim their slice of the pie.

[Tears of Destiny]

Once that became apparent it was only a matter of time before the surrounding clans jumped in to claim their slice of the pie.

Well in the case of the "Fallen" jumping on the bandwagon, it was mainly because of a drunkard blowing up at our diplomats with very interesting things to say.

[CrazyCracka420]

Well it was probably a mistake for our leaders to send an army down to LLJK lands.  It was another grievous error not to equip troops at rebache which left us vulnerable to more attacks when others noticed a hole in our territory. 

Along with other mistakes I pointed out, we're just fucking ourselves over just as much as getting it from external forces.  But that's something I have to deal with when I decided to put my loyalty with NE leadership.

I have a feeling that a lack of diplomacy and a concerted effort by our neighbors was also a big factor. 

[Darkkarma]

Well in the case of the "Fallen" jumping on the bandwagon, it was mainly because of a drunkard blowing up at our diplomats with very interesting things to say.

Given your past history, it's not like you guys would be inviting one another to your slumber parties. I feel that if the shoe were on the other foot they likely would have tried to do the same thing to you lot that they tried to do with LLJK once their hands were tied by fighting on multiple fronts. As many have already stated, unless you're one of those mega factions out there, you can't really afford to not strike against your enemies when the odds are in your favor. I mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the NE have  a bit of a similar history when it comes to trying to move against The Fallen?

[Rikthor]

Well it was probably a mistake for our leaders to send an army down to LLJK lands.  It was another grievous error not to equip troops at rebache which left us vulnerable to more attacks when others noticed a hole in our territory. 

Along with other mistakes I pointed out, we're just fucking ourselves over just as much as getting it from external forces.  But that's something I have to deal with when I decided to put my loyalty with NE leadership.

I have a feeling that a lack of diplomacy and a concerted effort by our neighbors was also a big factor.

I may be mistaken in the timeline of things Husby but one of the higher ups either in the alliance leadership or ATS leadership thought it was a good idea to put most of their money into one army for one battle. When said battle was lost, a huge chunk of the gold went a long with it. It's why Kesh is covered in diamonds now.

[Darkkarma]

I may be mistaken in the timeline of things Husby but one of the higher ups either in the alliance leadership or ATS leadership thought it was a good idea to put most of their money into one army for one battle. When said battle was lost, a huge chunk of the gold went a long with it. It's why Kesh is covered in diamonds now.

What's even more hilarious/sad is that almost every major faction that moved against the NE was aware of this and which village it was.

[SPQR]

Diplomatically I think NE made the same mistake the Templars made of using their (perhaps perceived) position of power to insert themselves into the affairs of others. This of course, over time builds a large pool of clans that are resentful over the slights they feel they have suffered. So once the blood was in the water of course everyone came out of the woodwork to settle their scores as was the case with the Templars and again here now.

[Tears of Destiny]

SPQR speaks the truth.

[Segd]

FCC - Wanted a good fight for example
Fallen - Were tired of being told to watch their backs by members of NE and evidently of archer insults
DRZ - Not sure
LLJK - We have been at war them pretty much months before strat started and ATS actually came down to attack us when Shogunate and co tried to wipe us out.

So each clan or alliance has their own reasons for doing things, not just because they saw ATS/NE as weak before the attacks started. I would assume most people/clans saw ATS/NE as rather strong opponents to begin with.

This old video forced us to attack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od0zPK5IHhE&

[CrazyCracka420]

What's even more hilarious/sad is that almost every major faction that moved against the NE was aware of this and which village it was.

Sad because I wasn't in the loop (as a footman) but other clans were.... If that was rebache than i'm even more pissed off.

[Darkkarma]

I feel for you man. I really do. We've talked with a few higher up members in several factions in the NE and they weren't even aware of it.

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It was Rebache