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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xol! on January 18, 2011, 08:32:10 pm
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On the North American servers, people are building ladders into the sky. Big towers, little towers, forts, all sorts of things. I am one of those people. I don't do it all the time, I play regularly for the most part, and might take a couple maps to build ladder contraptions, especially right after retiring. I try my best not to delay a round, and will happily jump off and suicide if I'm the last player left.
Unfortunately, there's quite a few people that feel very strongly that building ladder towers is detrimental to their experience. They feel that because we level 8 peasants would better serve the team as sword fodder, meekly holding pikes in hopes of poking something for a half point of damage. These players were very vocal, but until today, mostly kept their discourse civil.
Today, however, I've been TK'd several times, had several kick/ban polls initiated against me, and the same was done to several of my friends who were participating in ladder construction. It should be noted that none of the polls passed, and quite a few people on the server commented on how they enjoyed watching us build and jump off. I've had people spend entire rounds doing nothing but attacking me or destroying my ladders, which contradicts their very reasoning. Why, if one believes that I am wasting time and team slots, would it be better to waste the whole round TKing and initiating poll bans?
Quite simply, it's not. Ladder building is not against the rules. Team killing and team damaging is, and poll spamming is very frowned upon. Three of the worst offenders were poll kicked or poll banned by other players on the server when they grew tired of the poll spam and TKs. I personally initiated no polls, though I was sorely tempted to. When I visited another server later, I was informed by a player (who had been poll banned) that we had poll banned an admin. After a couple minutes of back and forth, during which I mentioned I was looking for someone, he said, "Well, go look for him elsewhere." and kicked me from the server. I'm not terribly upset by this, but I am a bit disturbed that this kind of behavior by administrative staff is tolerated.
My question is, what proportion of the playerbase feels that ladder building is detrimental to the game and should be a ban-worthy offense?
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If It's so much that it interfere with gameplay, then yes. Otherwise, no.
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Make your ladders useful to the team. You'll find people dislike you far less.
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Personally I enjoy the wonderful archers/horse archers that draw rounds constantly. They really help my immersion, however ladders are a serious detraction. I will not stand for this magical wizardry of floating ladders in my pure waifu crpg.
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Haters gonna hate. As long as you're not intentionally delaying the round, there's nothing wrong with it imo.
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I would like to mention this post.
Can we make elaborate ladder towers there?
This is important.
To which the admin of the 100 man server, which we were on, replied with
less someone has a good argument why you can't i see no reason why not.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,776.msg9124.html#msg9124
I honestly fail to see how a ladder tower at spawn is worthy of TKing and pole spamming.
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If It's so much that it interfere with gameplay, then yes. Otherwise, no.
Actually, I agree. There are a few builders that delay rounds repeatedly, and give us all a bad name. I'd be in favor of them getting some sort of reprimand.
Make your ladders useful to the team. You'll find people dislike you far less.
Don't get me wrong, I throw down ladders for objectives quite often. On my last retirement I used ladders to build towers in strategic locations for archers (including myself). I also bring siege shields to most fights in my spare slots, though I've spec'd out of archery now.
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Take a look at this topic
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,729.0.html
THAT is banworthy? Really?
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I think it's funny.
what is the diff between ladder building and leaching? nothing. they dont hurt anyone, get anyone else killed, and usually let the other team kill them in the end if they lose. no biggie, and the ladders are funny to watch.
Whats NOT funny is when archers or xbowman climb up there and duechebaggery results.
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That thread is worthy of a ban for crimes against the English language.
Edit: jspook, leeching is bannable. Hence why I recommend using your ladders usefully.
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Is fungineering truely leeching compared to just peasanting it up and dying real fast? If anything, it's a sound strategic tactic to draw attention away from your army (archers).
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Honestly, if you want to leech xp and gold you should be kicked or banned, becouse that is what your doing, Your not playing the game, your leaching xp and gold. You could be fighting, if you are "high" lvl players or veterans you have blocking skills. Contribute to your team. Or go to duel server if you just want to fool around.
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when we enyway talk about ladders, fix the new ladder system!
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Honestly, if you want to leech xp and gold you should be kicked or banned, becouse that is what your doing, Your not playing the game, your leaching xp and gold. You could be fighting, if you are "high" lvl players or veterans you have blocking skills. Contribute to your team. Or go to duel server if you just want to fool around.
Did you miss the part where we retired and are less then level 10?
What do you want us to do? Go throw rocks? Suicide? Would dying as peasants be playing "right" to you?
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The obvious answer to the poll is no. But if the building that you make looks really bad, then maybe its kick worthy. Make something cool though and you should get extra xp and gold.
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Yo people, you who love making architectural masterpieces using ladders, this is a game for you:
http://www.minecraft.net/
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We kick ladder builders out of our clan without remorse.
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We kick ladder builders out of our clan without remorse.
Trollface.jpg
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Good excuse? Cool:
1) You're leeching
2) You could be contributing to your team instead of wasting their time. Grab a pike, some rocks and try to stun, a hand axe and shield and try to break enemy shields or cover for your team. Yes, being a meat shield is still valuable because if spazzy mcpaddington swings at you instead of me trying to get the easy kill for his KDR, I get essentially a free hit on his dumb ass and can drop him. Like sacrificing a pawn for a rook/bishop/knight etc.
3) You are hurting your team because if you'd just gtfo if you're not going to try and help, the autobalancer might put someone on their team that WILL try to help.
Yup, as an admin I'll kick for this crap pretty fast if you don't knock it off after I tell you to. The reasons I just listed are more than adequate for why you're being a bastard with your ladder "art". Go to an empty server, or go to the lljk server if you have to do this stuff.
@OP: Wasn't there, but I wish I had been. It would have stopped quick before escalating to the point you say it did.
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I'm gorath and I have very little reading comprehension! I also need to let my full administrative powers known! I don't care that peasants more often get in the way than help! Also, fun is not allowed when big bad gorath is on the prowl!
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Yo people, you who love making architectural masterpieces using ladders, this is a game for you:
http://www.minecraft.net/
I would hope they've all heard of it, but that definitely is a good suggestion. Still, some want to try different artistic mediums.
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I would hope they've all heard of it, but that definitely is a good suggestion. Still, some want to try different artistic mediums.
The world is my canvas, and ladders are my paint.
But seriously, there's something about pulling off a good ladder-link that's pretty satisfying. I definitely understand where people are coming from with the team-detriment stuff, though. Perhaps doing it on a duel server would be less inflammatory.
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i played with Xol all morning. they built ladders. didnt bother anyone. if they were last to live they jumped off.
yes i saw some asshole tking and catapulting the builders (f***ing prick). going out of his way to harass Xol.
also it was actually funny watching how freakin high they get. a little fun and laughs in the game once in a while justs adds to a better game.
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Ladder towers don't really bother me unless they're delaying the round. However if you're really in it for the building and not for leeching, why not do it on the duel server?
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Ladders are broken anyway, as long as your not holding up rounds, or annoying people by putting ladders on rooftops for archers,(yes melee gets upset when their friendly archers are on the roofs killing their enemies.)
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Did you miss the part where we retired and are less then level 10?
What do you want us to do? Go throw rocks? Suicide? Would dying as peasants be playing "right" to you?
I got my first kill as lvl 1 on my 2h, no wpf, no PS. my main is a 1h but i have ok blocking skills allowing my team mates to finish them off, your leaching and fooling around, if i was admin id ban you right off the bat since your breaking the rules.
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I'm gorath and I have very little reading comprehension! I also need to let my full administrative powers known! I don't care that peasants more often get in the way than help! Also, fun is not allowed when big bad gorath is on the prowl!
Hi, I'm HeroZero. I'm a troll and ignoramus. I classify wasting teammates time as FUN! My fun comes at the expense of everyone else! Don't get in the way of my fun or I shall try to mock you and claim that you're the fun police! Grrrr.
:rolleyes:
I read just fine:
They feel that because we level 8 peasants would better serve the team as sword fodder, meekly holding pikes in hopes of poking something for a half point of damage.
Yes, you are better served as sword fodder, meekly holding pikes in hopes of poking someone (or some horse) and actually trying to help your team. As I stated above. If your only rebuttal to the points about why ladder bullshit is retarded and the least productive thing you can do for your team happens to be "BUT YOU'RE RUINING MY FUN!!! FUN MAN FUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!!" Then fuck off, go have your "fun" on the lljk server or duel server, or an empty server. If you're on the battle server, contribute to your fucking team.
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Did you miss the part where we retired and are less then level 10?
What do you want us to do? Go throw rocks? Suicide? Would dying as peasants be playing "right" to you?
Play the damn game. If you aren't participating in the action then you are leeching, and should be banned.
I got kills under level 10, and so can you. Suck less.
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I got kills under level 10, and so can you. Suck less.
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This. Vehemently over and over again, this.
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Ladder towers don't really bother me unless they're delaying the round. However if you're really in it for the building and not for leeching, why not do it on the duel server?
I live for the moment you're one of the last 3 on the team, and the whole of the enemy team looks up and sees you in the skybox all at once.
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well, I think that it is a game desined to fight, if u like to build constructions go play, I dont know, simcity?? personaly I have nothing against cose I have bigger concerns than leachers, but I can undesrtand why people disslike it. The other factor may be that u are puting more presion on weaker PCs by building thsoe creazy constructions, and this would be a very resonable reason for u to stop.
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I live for the moment you're one of the last 3 on the team, and the whole of the enemy team looks up and sees you in the skybox all at once.
Right, so you like wasting your team's time and player slots that autobalance takes into consideration just to get the enemy to look up at you being a dumbass on a ladder tower....
Fun for you, but I'm fairly sure your team wished you had done ANYTHING productive to contribute. Perhaps they would've won had you piked that cav, or stunned that guy with a rock, or had a melee'er chase you into your teammates.
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well, I think that it is a game desined to fight, if u like to build constructions go play, I dont know, simcity?? personaly I have nothing against cose I have bigger concerns than leachers, but I can undesrtand why people disslike it. The other factor may be that u are puting more presion on weaker PCs by building thsoe creazy constructions, and this would be a very resonable reason for u to stop.
Looking at the poll, I'm glad to see that you, and the admin who mentions his adminship at every given opportunity, are in the tiny minority.
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Looking at the poll, I'm glad to see that you, and the admin who mentions his adminship at every given opportunity, are in the tiny minority.
Admin what the admin poll really says admin is that there's admin 30 admin people who agree admin with delaying, exploiting/adminglitching the map admin, hiding and generally admin giving the admin proverbial admin admin admin finger to your admin teamates.
admin admin
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Admin what the admin poll really says admin is that there's admin 30 admin people who agree admin with delaying, exploiting/adminglitching the map admin, hiding and generally admin giving the admin proverbial admin admin admin finger to your admin teamates.
admin admin
And the guy who actually runs the server we play on says it isn't a problem, as long as we don't delay, which we don't.
So we have the masses, and the server owner, on our side.
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And the guy who actually runs the server we play on says it isn't a problem, as long as we don't delay, which we don't.
So we have the masses, and the server owner, on our side.
He also said unless someone can give a valid reason, I gave 3. And so far neither you, nor anyone else has disputed them.
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He also said unless someone can give a valid reason, I gave 3. And so far neither you, nor anyone else has disputed them.
Why bother? You won't read it. Every 'valid reason' you gave has already been addressed in a previous post.
And with that, I'm through getting trolled by you. The community has spoken, and this issue is resolved.
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I was the one tking xol and his ladder building friends. The reason being there was 40 players in the game and with 5 of our team messing around with ladders it was 15 v 20 and was impossible for our team to win.
Tovell
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Why bother? You won't read it. Every 'valid reason' you gave has already been addressed in a previous post.
And with that, I'm through getting trolled by you. The community has spoken, and this issue is resolved.
Really? Point them out, because you're full of shit. I even went through the whole thread again, not a single person countered any of those points. What you really mean is "Fuck, I don't actually have a legitimate point so I'll just throw in the towel".
Yeah, thought so.
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I was the one tking xol and his ladder building friends. The reason being there was 40 players in the game and with 5 of our team messing around with ladders it was 15 v 20 and was impossible for our team to win.
Tovell
Bullshit. The server was full, and the 5 of us doing it included people from the other team who swung around the map to join us by our spawn. When you got vote banned it was because you were at negative 10 kills, which doesn't count all the ladderpulting deaths you caused, and included the "enemies" you were killing, which obviously raised your score.
The other fun part was when you started TKing me, when I had a positive K/D, just because I had the word "literally" in my name, and next called a kick vote against someone else in our clan who also wasn't involved in the ladder activity.
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Bullshit. The server was full, and the 5 of us doing it included people from the other team who swung around the map to join us by our spawn. When you got vote banned it was because you were at negative 10 kills, which doesn't count all the ladderpulting deaths you caused, and included the "enemies" you were killing, which obviously raised your score.
The other fun part was when you started TKing me, when I had a positive K/D, just because I had the word "literally" in my name, and next called a kick vote against someone else in our clan who also wasn't involved in the ladder activity.
This is true. Half the people complaining about you weren't even associated with us.
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Did you miss the part where we retired and are less then level 10?
What do you want us to do? Go throw rocks? Suicide? Would dying as peasants be playing "right" to you?
I want you to go buy a practice longsword and smash some people's faces in. Die with dignity!
Or alternatively, deploy your ladders usefully. Ladder towers aid no one. Ladders to archer hideouts or enemy positions can make the difference between victory and defeat.
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Bullshit. The server was full, and the 5 of us doing it included people from the other team who swung around the map to join us by our spawn. When you got vote banned it was because you were at negative 10 kills, which doesn't count all the ladderpulting deaths you caused, and included the "enemies" you were killing, which obviously raised your score.
The other fun part was when you started TKing me, when I had a positive K/D, just because I had the word "literally" in my name, and next called a kick vote against someone else in our clan who also wasn't involved in the ladder activity.
This is true
I was one of the people who helped them build even though i was on other team
Tovell was constantly tking them Also he constantly tried to poll ban
Next map when i went on his team he tried to tked me in spawn
when that failed he ladderpaulted me
anyway
Hello Master Xol
I will always follow the way of the ladder builders
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Leeching - not participating in fight, not helping your team. Is bannable offence.
Tell me how is what you do different? And just the fact that you throw two ladders to the roof at the start of the round doesn't mean you're not leeching when the remaining six minutes you do nothing for your team. And your excuse that you're under level 10 is bullshit, if every low level did that, we would have had 1/3 of the people just doing nothing on every server. You can still throw rocks, get some stuns off, grab a pike or buy a cheap sword, just DO something useful. Is it really that hard to comprehend?
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Xol, just shut up.
Yesterday you and your Literally_Buddies (AKA LadderClan) kicked me to death three rounds in a row before I manned up and slashed a my old friend across the face.
On the topic of ladder-building, I have no objection to it. I've done it myself. Xol's an expert at this kind of thing...
On a side note... LADDERS FOR THE LADDER GOD
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To quote Whalen207
"I'm not even playing, I took off all my gear and I'm just running into battle till I die and give someone a boner,"
Then,
"Man, it's so hard to play when you're blowing someone,"
Literally verbatim, there are even non-Literally people that will confirm my claims.
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Leeching - not participating in fight, not helping your team. Is bannable offence.
Tell me how is what you do different? And just the fact that you throw two ladders to the roof at the start of the round doesn't mean you're not leeching when the remaining six minutes you do nothing for your team. And your excuse that you're under level 10 is bullshit, if every low level did that, we would have had 1/3 of the people just doing nothing on every server. You can still throw rocks, get some stuns off, grab a pike or buy a cheap sword, just DO something useful. Is it really that hard to comprehend?
We are useful bro
They stare at us and laugh thats being useful
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We are useful bro
They stare at us and laugh thats being useful
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Also Xol said devilized allowed it so i continued building
Whhen i went to ATS server i asked can i build when they said no(i asked guts)
i stopped
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Building and chilling up top is pretty neat, except when it's an archer that no one notices and he suddenly can hit you with arrows behind the wall you're hiding behind :(
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Let me mention a few things. First, if you're desperate to build sexy ladder art, come to The Fallen Ones. Most of us are just enjoying the game over there, and would enjoy some beautiful ladder art between rounds. If you don't want to come, it suggests that the true purpose of your Ladder art is trolling people who are playing hardcore serious(Or you want more people to see I suppose). We really are a friendly bunch over there. Sure, I like to get a great K/D and then fap to it as much as any ATS member, but I can still enjoy some recreational ladder activity, even if I don't choose to do so myself. So come on in. The water's fine.
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in the immmortal philosophy of gorath and unfortunately aimed right back at him.
Ragers with Rage
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Ragers with Rage
pssst
*will*
(Still have yet to hear anyone counter the points I raised about it.)
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Man people take this game more serious than I thought
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I find it entertaining to watch. Something strange and surprising in an otherwise ordinary Battle. It's not like it's something as serious as a strategus battle. This little venture from the norm is (mostly) harmless.
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I'd just like to say, regardless of your opinion on it, I'm glad people are discussing this. Just one thing, remember that we're all a part of a somewhat small community, so don't go pissing all over eachother just for the sake of being top internet tough guy.
My counterpoint to the claims of leeching is that many people on the server find the ladder antics entertaining, so while I understand perfectly well that we're not helping in a conventional sense, we are contributing to the general enjoyment of the game for a majority of people on the server. I'm happy to admit that I do this sparingly at higher levels as well simply because it's fun, which is why I play the game. I am well aware that this doesn't conform to your preconceived notions of the 'right way to play,' but I would hazard that having some hilarity breaking up the monotony of the grind is much, much more beneficial to the health of a server's population than having an extra two people on a team for a couple maps. Out of curiosity, did any of you ever play fun rounds in CS?
This is true
I was one of the people who helped them build even though i was on other team
Tovell was constantly tking them Also he constantly tried to poll ban
Next map when i went on his team he tried to tked me in spawn
when that failed he ladderpaulted me
anyway
Hello Master Xol
I will always follow the way of the ladder builders
Hi :)
I should really write down the way of the ladder down somewhere.
Let me mention a few things. First, if you're desperate to build sexy ladder art, come to The Fallen Ones. Most of us are just enjoying the game over there, and would enjoy some beautiful ladder art between rounds. If you don't want to come, it suggests that the true purpose of your Ladder art is trolling people who are playing hardcore serious(Or you want more people to see I suppose). We really are a friendly bunch over there. Sure, I like to get a great K/D and then fap to it as much as any ATS member, but I can still enjoy some recreational ladder activity, even if I don't choose to do so myself. So come on in. The water's fine.
I actually heard about this from KaleLord yesterday, I don't think anyone was on when I was, though. Or else I just missed favoriting one of your servers. Either way, sounds pretty baller.
Xol, just shut up.
Yesterday you and your Literally_Buddies (AKA LadderClan) kicked me to death three rounds in a row before I manned up and slashed a my old friend across the face.
On the topic of ladder-building, I have no objection to it. I've done it myself. Xol's an expert at this kind of thing...
On a side note... LADDERS FOR THE LADDER GOD
I take no responsibility for Literally's actions, however, I think they may have been showing you some sort of twisted form of affection. They do that to all the peasants in the clan (including me). Now, if you weren't a peasant, I don't know what to say. I'm not a fan of TKing unless it's something agreed upon by both parties or if you're defending yourself.
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Please do because i still fail alot and ladderpault myself
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yeah Xol my point exactly! it was funny! its nice to have some laughs at 8 A.M. when im looking to grind grind grind.
some people are just wayyyyy to serious sumtimes. if your really that competitive about wins then maybe you should join a softball team instead of freaking out about a game :lol:
ladder art away friend. ladder art away
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Honestly, if it's once a round, and only one person, I don't mind that much. But when it's every round and more than one person (making those people/persons useless throughout the whole game) then it becomes irritating. It's nice that people find it amusing. I find whacking people in the face with a sword amusing. I also like seeing the rounds progress quickly, as opposed to waiting to play. And maybe I am too serious, but I play cRpg not to watch ladders, but to bash pixels. Why don't you record your ladder exploits, and then people can watch them on youtube instead of holding the round up?
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So on one side we have:
"I'm so low level... might just leach to 25+... I'm sure nobody cares if I'm being counted in autobalance and might take a slot on full\passworded server."
on another side we have:
"Yeah, thats look cool! I wounder how high they can build it in one round. Hmm... that tower is getting erased every round... what's a point? Ohh I see there are 5 people making it. Damn x1 10 rounds in a row, this is going very slowly to my 31 level. God damn my friends can't join server and these guys just build the same shit over and over."
You can build cool stuff on duel server, you have much more time and respawns to build a lot of things. There is always new people connecting and they won't mind it. Share screenshots or video with community and generaly don't be a selfish ... artist.
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I think we all know that the autobalance is far from perfect, which is why I have taken to ladder building from time to time. Basically, I build when it looks like my team will win, regardless of whether I help or not.
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Well this my friend is a touchy subject and people have been banned for it before myself included... Most regard it as delaying the game and I no longer do it. c-RPG is not built around ladder building and Im sure it was not intended to be part of the game. It just happened to happen. So unless your using ladders to get up to a higher spot for archery or to get an advantage. I believe that Ladder forts should be forbbiden. Yes I learned my lesson from my Ban. And I believe it should not be taken lightly... I do agree for maybe a 24 hour ban or maybe a couple day ban like I myself had but.... I do NOT agree with a permanent ban. I do see it as a waste of time and as a waste of help to your team like it was explained to me.
this is my two cents. :P
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any chance i get i will kill ladder builders
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any chance i get i will kill ladder builders
TOUGH GUY
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I was the one tking xol and his ladder building friends. The reason being there was 40 players in the game and with 5 of our team messing around with ladders it was 15 v 20 and was impossible for our team to win.
Tovell
any chance i get i will kill ladder builders
Shouldn't this guy get banned? He's fully admitting to tking, and twounding which is fully against the rules. He spends whole rounds hunting down a few admittedly, useless, team mates when he could be contributing to the team rather than killing them.
Ladder building is in the grey area of the rules, and has been mentioned numerous times, tking and other community actions is not condoned by the admin staff and one can be kicked/banned for it. Hypocrisy much?
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I think I've already said my mind on this maybe on this thread. Here goes anyway. Ladders are stupidlly easy to destroy. This leads to mainly archers using them to get to a roof and then destroying them. My solution would be to make all ladders like they are on siege. That way when archers go to a roof they can knock down the ladder but the enemy team can raise it at any point. Would be realistic and better for gameplay.