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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: a_bear_irl on July 11, 2011, 05:58:59 am
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on the real
cut damage nerfed to the point where there is literally no reason to use 2h over polearms
bec still faster than a danish (146 2h, 0 pole)
ridiculous upkeep
cav worthless
longbow 2shots people wearing plate
throwers EVERYWHERE (though i'm sure this will go away after a while)
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dont worry, EVERY patch has been certified as awful, and at the end, they were great after a few twists and turns.
just rly keeps fucking with the builds, meh
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Gonna have to agree on the Bec de Corbin being too fast, of course this was obvious previous to the patch.
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they consistently fail to make the bec balanced... perhaps it's time to just remove it from the game hmm?
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longbow 2shots people wearing plate
This! However longbow has been like a Semi automatic Arbalest for a while now... it's a scary weapon :S
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it wasn't this bad before, it used to be 4, sometimes 3, to kill me
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Its not just the longbow lol put the warbow and the strongbow there too
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dont worry, EVERY patch has been certified as awful, and at the end, they were great after a few twists and turns.
just rly keeps fucking with the builds, meh
This! However longbow has been like a Semi automatic Arbalest for a while now... it's a scary weapon :S
This.
I am an archer lover. There, I said it. My highest gen, my main, is a die hard Warbow user, and here is my opinion:
Bows can no longer snipe anyone from far range (Onoz ToD is QQing!), BUT...
Old Scenario: No shield? You take a few arrows at long range, a few more at short, and you may get to the archer.
New Scenario: No shield? You take no arrows at long range laughing at the snail rounds, then come within 15 or 20 meters of the target, wearing your transitional armour, rocking your 7IF, and get hit by my Standard arrow from a MW warbow, and see 70% of your health poof.... You look to your right and as you hit the 10 meter mark, see one of my arrows ONE SHOT your buddy in Heraldric mail... Then you pry to god OH NOPE FUCK YOU BUDDY... ToD just blew your brains out with another arrow as you hit the 5 meter mark...
Wait... This is the way we want archers to go?
If I want to lose some money, imagine me swapping out my Standard arrows for Bodkins...
This is retarded.
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i want the Item bal team heads on pikes!
Just looking at the changes without playing and people can tell this is a bad idea. Actually playing the range fest it's even worse.
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Throwing is good again, stop fucking using crossbows and bows at short range, they are long range weapon FFS...
For the rest :
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,10094.msg146682.html#msg146682
Good things and bad things...
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<cmp> bec de corbin is basically non existent in eu
<cmp> balance is eu centered
<cmp> your problem, tbh
This is from irc after multiple people complained about the bec not being nerfed. So don't expect the bec to be balanced for na anytime soon as fucked up as this may be. Non existent on eu but yet they wont nerf it for na balance is a joke.
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<cmp> bec de corbin is basically non existent in eu
<cmp> balance is eu centered
<cmp> your problem, tbh
This is from irc after multiple people complained about the bec not being nerfed. So don't expect the bec to be balance for na anytime soon as fucked up as this may be. Non existent on eu but yet they wont nerf it for na balance is a joke.
Guys, we need to set a date 1-2 weeks from now where we spend the entire weekend where everyone with a skip to 30 character goes to the EU using a bec and utterly destroys them all with 1-2 hits each. BEC PARTY! EU BASHING TIME!
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why wait?
we could go there any time and all the time
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Guys, we need to set a date 1-2 weeks from now where we spend the entire weekend where everyone with a skip to 30 character goes to the EU using a bec and utterly destroys them all with 1-2 hits each. BEC PARTY! EU BASHING TIME!
LET'S DO THIS!
We can even get the "Regulars" Like Goretooth Clonetooth Tydeus Galgorth etc to join us!
We can pick a properly trollish banner too, like the HelloKitty banner.
why wait?
we could go there any time and all the time
All at once though is much more fun! ^_^
More laughs and giggles for all.
But yes, a temporary relocation over there to prove a point would be fun too, heh.
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I agree they just want everyone to use polearms and a bec de corbin its retarded.
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Yeah, attack people with a short-ass weapon while playing at 200 ping! Sounds like a plan.
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Yeah, attack people with a short-ass weapon while playing at 200 ping! Sounds like a plan.
If shovelface can do it with a pitch fork on the EU servers as a pezzy...
:lol:
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Yeah, attack people with a short-ass weapon while playing at 200 ping! Sounds like a plan.
I guess euros don't know how to block. After playing there while na servers were down for patching it all makes sense.
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the skill level on EU is, on average, lower than on NA in my opinion. they have some "superstar" players (olwen, leed, some more i cant think of) but your average guy can't block twice in a row
and it's not like the NA playerbase is that much smaller than the EU one, eu has more players yeah but there's lots of na players too, it seems ridiculous to only balance for eu. and the bec not being a problem on EU isn't really a reason to not nerf it - it's not used, fine, but the fact that it's so prevalent, particularly among the "high tier" players on NA should be proof enough of it being abusable
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How about we focus on the patch instead of this stupid trolling ?
Edit : better :P
Edit : yeah, sorry man, at the moment I answered, you only posted the first part of your message. No problem man.
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we are focusing on the patch, dude, we're just exploring reasons for obviously broken items being left alone and kesh put forward a pretty good one
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Guys, we need to set a date 1-2 weeks from now where we spend the entire weekend where everyone with a skip to 30 character goes to the EU using a bec and utterly destroys them all with 1-2 hits each. BEC PARTY! EU BASHING TIME!
na, you stay where you are
I guess euros don't know how to block. After playing there while na servers were down for patching it all makes sense.
Gotta love the NAs...
they manage that their self-image never equals their external image.
But I guess every group has their kind of humor. deliberately or not.
and beeing a "superstar" does not equal skill. not at all.
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na, you stay where you are
Release the hostage or we will do it,,,,,
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and beeing a "superstar" does not equal skill. not at all.
being a superstar on NA means you have skill.
it isn't like in europe where superstar status is based on royal family lines and fancy titles,
on NA servers, stardom is based on merit, and how many peasants you slay every round by yourself.
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being a superstar on NA means you have skill.
it isn't like in europe where superstar status is based on royal family lines and fancy titles,
on NA servers, stardom is based on merit, and how many peasants you slay every round by yourself.
EU disagrees and will have you executed for talking dirt about royalties.
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being a superstar on NA means you have skill.
it isn't like in europe where superstar status is based on royal family lines and fancy titles,
had a good laugh there, thank you!
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<cmp> bec de corbin is basically non existent in eu
<cmp> balance is eu centered
<cmp> your problem, tbh
This is from irc after multiple people complained about the bec not being nerfed. So don't expect the bec to be balanced for na anytime soon as fucked up as this may be...
When I was playing on the EU servers last week it was actually pretty striking how different weapon usage was. Instead of the longsword the Danish was far and away the most popular 2h and in general I saw much fewer polearms when compared to NA.
I would think if you're going to balance based on trends using the largest sample size you can would make sense, yes? Guess not
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Get off your horses, put down your bows, strap on your light chain and pick up your bec.
There's a specific playstyle that the crpg team favors, and we're steadily being herded into it. Every patch it becomes a little more apparent: There are a couple 'no brainer' builds that dominate with little skill, and a bunch of builds that if played just so, with points distributed just so, a skilled player can learn to compete and usually hold second-tier. Any time those nonoptimal builds learn to thrive, we get another adjustment.
Honestly I wish they'd cut to the chase and just take out the gear they have no intention of letting people play effectively with.
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WHAT AM I GONNA DOOO WITH ALL THE HEIRLOOMS I TRADED????
It really makes players feel really insecure about what they have done in game. I know many people spent long time on market trading the right weapon for them. Then suddenly here comes the patch that will change everything...
Of course we all want to be the best possible classes after the new patch so many of us will probably want to change again. BUT then ...what am i gonna do with all the heirlooms i traded?
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You're more than welcome to come ravage us on the EU servers with Bec. Prove the problem exists.
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the skill level on EU is, on average, lower than on NA in my opinion. they have some "superstar" players (olwen, leed, some more i cant think of) but your average guy can't block twice in a row
and it's not like the NA playerbase is that much smaller than the EU one, eu has more players yeah but there's lots of na players too, it seems ridiculous to only balance for eu. and the bec not being a problem on EU isn't really a reason to not nerf it - it's not used, fine, but the fact that it's so prevalent, particularly among the "high tier" players on NA should be proof enough of it being abusable
You are extremely wrong here... The average guy can block a good number of simple attacks. But then every other guy knows how to use footwork and range, so the bec is really an underdog, being so short.
Also, where did the archer whine go? Less than a day ago everyone was crying huge tears and raging over the coming "archery nerfed DEAD" thing? :lol:
You people never learn...
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Its because in NA they have no athletics, so they can't move out of the range of the bec de corbin.
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but your average guy can't block twice in a row
When did you spectate me ? :shock:
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Gnjus, you are not average, you're special :D
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Gnjus, you are not average, you're special :D
As in "the special one" or more like "the one with special needs" ? :)
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:wink:
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A bear irl , it was easy to play with NO THROWERS AT ALL.
It is pretty sure that their will be for alittle moment a trend for thrower (with mass kikoo lol wanting to try throwing hammer) let just the dust settle before whining. A patch alway cause temporary balances change (people trying other class ,people changing class because their were nefred , until they finally come back)
And you are FUCKIN Whining about ARCHERS?! I never had an archer but you can whine now after they have been NERFED.
Lmao this patch is an archer nerf and you whine about them being too strong?!
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And you are FUCKIN Whining about ARCHERS?! I never had an archer but you can whine now after they have been NERFED.
Lmao this patch is an archer nerf and you whine about them being too strong?!
I take it you haven't tried out the new patch? :)
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Arrow are slower and easy to spot , masterworkl strong bow has -1 cut
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I take it you haven't tried out the new patch? :)
He clearly meant buff. I've never topped score boards as a foot archer (with no melee) until this patch. With very little play time. I mean, I am a good shot and can predict well but -- there are people twice the shot I am since they know where to aim the crosshair, etc, etc.
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Arrow are slower and easy to spot , masterworkl strong bow has -1 cut
bro, http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,10122.0.html
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Arrow are slower and easy to spot , masterworkl strong bow has -1 cut
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the skill level on EU is, on average, lower than on NA in my opinion. they have some "superstar" players (olwen, leed, some more i cant think of) but your average guy can't block twice in a row
even I am able to block 3 times sometimes, and i consider myself pretty much under the average, so, get ur facts straight
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clearly the eu playerbase sucks. i wont argue there. all those agi chars with 5 athl and what not running all over the place, instead of standing still and getting one-shotted by my 17PS GLB spam build
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get rid of this crappy defend modification and put it back how it was. The stupid wench stands in the middle of a field. At least put in a hotfix so we can issue a move order so we can put her in a defendable position. but really. id prefer it to simply get removed or made into a SEPARATE game mode.
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Meh, this patch made me rage a bit tbh.(no changes there then) With lordly armour(55 body armour) 4 if and 21 str, I get 2 shot by a horn bow by someone with pd6.I thought archery were supposed to be nerfed? I know archers will hate me for this, but archer feel more OP to me now. Throwing is well balanced now I think. Im lmao that the bec de corbin and more importantly the glaive werent nerfed. Im sure everything will calm down eventually.
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I believe the archer damage buff was not intended.
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Meh, this patch made me rage a bit tbh.(no changes there then) With lordly armour(55 body armour) 4 if and 21 str, I get 2 shot by a horn bow by someone with pd6.I thought archery were supposed to be nerfed? I know archers will hate me for this, but archer feel more OP to me now. Throwing is well balanced now I think. Im lmao that the bec de corbin and more importantly the glaive werent nerfed. Im sure everything will calm down eventually.
nope, most archers agree and arent happy
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u forgot HAs, now HA cant aim for shit.
MY CROSS HaIR Is like a 4 cm wide.
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MY CROSS HaIR Is like a 4 cm wide.
That's enough for aiming at horses :P
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I am quite happy to hear that they fixed the throwing accuracy as it was NO WHERE NEAR close to RL pre patch. I may load it up n try it now that Im not gonna go anywhere near defend because its BROKEN.
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The Bec superiority is a pure NA-only MYTH.
On EU there wasn't any Goretooth to tear everyone up with it, guess what ? Nobody uses it.
The tendancy to copy anything a good player does is really strong. That's how pikes became very popular in EU too. Early May, some EU topscorers began using pikes and went 5/1 kdr with it. The number of pikemen like tripled in one day... I think the most popular EU polearm is the GLA. We have Tor, xandhold, wayyyyne, torben and a couple more known players using it very effectively.
About the Bec, a duel between a bec and a glaive can pretty much explain why it's not that good. It's bloody short.
I can see why the bec is better in NA though. Higher armor average, lower athletics... less cav and shielders ? It's a very good tincan opener, but is inferior to other top tier polearms for all the other opponents.
So if all the NA community comes to EU server with becs, they will be shot, lanced, spammed by 1h and whatnot...
The average EU guy (on battle, the skill level on siege is lower) blocks as many simple swings as you want. Feints don't work that good but holded swings usually do their job. The level on EU_1 a few hours ago wasn't reprensentative at all. The server was crowded with players from everywhere. I even had people teleporting, you can hardly block a swing you don't see :?
About the archer damage and upkeep, I got to try this out but this sounds like bad news.
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dont worry, the archers damage buff is a problem already beeing adressed, as paul states
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This patch is sexy, maybe need some little fixes, but is sexy
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What kind of man can be alive after he is hit to his head by a steel pick? Steel pick had crushed his brain and he still live? !Omg!
I appretiate archers are stronger. That is the truth in history. But pierce damage had to be like the truth! I play this game for his rp, so please do something more real.
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ridiculous upkeep
cav worthless
Disagree
Disagree
Pre-patch, I wore about 166k worth of equipment whenever I can (Plated Charger/Armor/Shield, Longsword, Dagger), Turned off auto-repair, still earned money on the long run, but not as much. Now, it's still the same, except I get to use my equipments much longer before I have to manually repair them on site.
Cav Worthless? You have got to be kidding me.
The only thing the patch I disagree on are the HAs. You want to talk about real life?
Archery Rapid Fire Hun Archery Kassai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yorHswhzrU)
Kassai Lajos 4th Guinness World Record (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InWW_uhX_Ts&feature=related)
If that is horse archer mastery, the new patch didn't even make those deserving HA players half as close as Kassai Lajos.
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The only thing the patch I disagree on are the HAs. You want to talk about real life?
Archery Rapid Fire Hun Archery Kassai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yorHswhzrU)
Kassai Lajos 4th Guinness World Record (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InWW_uhX_Ts&feature=related)
If that is horse archer mastery, the new patch didn't even make those deserving HA players half as close as Kassai Lajos.
Okay, at level 50, HA are like Kassai Lajos. Happy ?
This is a game. There are two things called balance and fun which are more important than realism.
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what happened with bows?!!!!!!!!!
arrow flies less than a spear ?!?!?!
this is terrible, you killed the bows!
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Okay, at level 50, HA are like Kassai Lajos. Happy ?
This is a game. There are two things called balance and fun which are more important than realism.
I might have went off a bit stronger than I originally intended for the topic, but yes, I understand and agree with what you've just said.
Besides, I'm not going to get into a fight that doesn't belong to me, I don't even play HAs.
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what happened with bows?!!!!!!!!!
arrow flies less than a spear ?!?!?!
this is terrible, you killed the bows!
Altough you can 1-shot medium armour and 2-shot full plate IF stackers
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Xp56uVyxs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Xp56uVyxs)
Longbow VS Plate,
Just sayin.
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I might have went off a bit stronger than I originally intended for the topic, but yes, I understand and agree with what you've just said.
Besides, I'm not going to get into a fight that doesn't belong to me, I don't even play HAs.
Then I found maybe the only person that is not an HA and is supportive to them x)
The problem with HA is that they can't be balanced. They are not like all the other classes. In a melee vs melee fight, if you die, it's your fault. In a melee vs range, it's usually not your fault but meh you could have dodged all the shit and reached the ranger. In a melee or cav vs HA, there's no way the melee can win. The melee can be the best player around, the HA will survive if he wants to. IMO this class is completly broken because it has both range and mobility. And devs can't really fix that with stat tweaks. The HA skill nerf was a step in the right direction though.
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Then I found maybe the only person that is not an HA and is supportive to them x)
The problem with HA is that they can't be balanced. They are not like all the other classes. In a melee vs melee fight, if you die, it's your fault. In a melee vs range, it's usually not your fault but meh you could have dodged all the shit and reached the ranger. In a melee or cav vs HA, there's no way the melee can win. The melee can be the best player around, the HA will survive if he wants to. IMO this class is completly broken because it has both range and mobility. And devs can't really fix that with stat tweaks. The HA skill nerf was a step in the right direction though.
dude, its called teamwork. fuck, if you need 3 lancers to kill one jackie, it only makes shit alot more interessting.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Xp56uVyxs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Xp56uVyxs)
Longbow VS Plate,
Just sayin.
what does this have to do with anything related to the game? I am tired of this vid being presented pretty much everytime someone mentions bullshit dmg on archery, even WHEN DEV CONFIRMED ITS BUGGED
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dude, its called teamwork. fuck, if you need 3 lancers to kill one jackie, it only makes shit alot more interessting.
Ok, and how are 3 lancers supposed to kill jackie, wulz and tuonela ?
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Ok, and how are 3 lancers supposed to kill jackie, wulz and tuonela ?
They call for like 20 meatshields to disctract the horse scumchers while they try to backstabb 'em.
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i rly never had problems with ha. if they won the round, props. if i could get them while they were distracted, even cooler.
but i must give ya one thing: wulz never delayed. often was the last one and than just charged barehandedly. that was a nice move which i did miss on ther HA
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Okay, at level 50, HA are like Kassai Lajos. Happy ?
This is a game. There are two things called balance and fun which are more important than realism.
lollancing is unrealistic
- Kafein
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They call for like 20 meatshields to disctract the horse scumchers while they try to backstabb 'em.
yeeeeeeeeesno.
usually a couched lance would dehorse them and than meh
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yeeeeeeeeesno.
usually a couched lance would dehorse them and than meh
gl with that as they can cover like 180 degree from the horseback and shoot horses down in two arrows :P and yeah, played cav, been there, tried that :D just my horse was getting raped by HA all the freaking time
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usually a couched lance would dehorse them and than meh
You think of yourself too much, Torben. Your horse goes down same as the rest of 'em, unless you take an armored one in which case you'll never catch the HA. :wink:
There are exception for sure but that's all they are: exceptions. :wink:
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gl with that as they can cover like 180 degree from the horseback and shoot horses down in two arrows :P and yeah, played cav, been there, tried that :D just my horse was getting raped by HA all the freaking time
hitn run usually works. why do u think did i get a courser ^^
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You think of yourself too much, Torben. Your horse goes down same as the rest of 'em, unless you take an armored one in which case you'll never catch the HA. :wink:
There are exception for sure but that's all they are: exceptions. :wink:
cant talk for the new patch, just saying what used to happen. and why i didnt hate HA
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hitn run usually works. why do u think did i get a courser ^^
tried with courser aswell, but i dont remember to which side of their horse the HA can turn, so i always arrived in their fire angle :( :D
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This patch has just made it harder for new players like myself,if this was the latest patch when i 1st started playing i think i would of just thrown it in the bin.The new upkeep is a joke and im sure this patch will just scare new players off which will mean the begining of the death of this game.I really liked this game before the patch and now i think it sucks ass big time
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This patch has just made it harder for new players like myself,if this was the latest patch when i 1st started playing i think i would of just thrown it in the bin.The new upkeep is a joke and im sure this patch will just scare new players off which will mean the begining of the death of this game.I really liked this game before the patch and now i think it sucks ass big time
dont worry, when upkeepp was introduced it was too high aswell and needed finetuning. im sure we will get a few fixes within the next week or so.
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No increased upkeep is good. Otherwise strat economy will break.
It seems range has gotten some awkward changes with low speed but very high damage. That will be fixed it seems.
Dunno about the other items though.
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Upkeep cost is way too much.
Im a new player and I cant afford this.
I think it also might be a turnoff for new players who want to try this module.
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lollancing is unrealistic
- Kafein
A few things to say :
1° Yes it is unrealistic given it's superior to couched lances in every way except the damage which is more or less equal.
2° I said fun and balance are more important than realism. That doesn't mean realism is not important at all.
3° Actually, as HA is one of the hardest things to do in RL compared to foot archery, melee etc. It's sort of realistic that a level 30 HA is still inaccurate and a level 30 melee is decent. Having level 30 HA equivalent to born horsemen and archery masters isn't really realistic.
4° If something is both unbalanced and unrealistic... you get my point.
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upkeep keeps me away from playing..
lost 3000 and i even dont have that good equipment..
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No increased upkeep is good. Otherwise strat economy will break.
It seems range has gotten some awkward changes with low speed but very high damage. That will be fixed it seems.
Dunno about the other items though.
What is strat economy?I cant even afford to run around naked with just my longsword now :mad:
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pick up this crap and return the bows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Upkeep cost is way too much.
Im a new player and I cant afford this.
I think it also might be a turnoff for new players who want to try this module.
i played with 3 diff chars since patch got implemented, on one i used horse for like 4 rounds, havent paid single time :D i guess ur just terribly unlucky (even tho if ur archer, i guess the arrow repairs are crazy)
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i played with 3 diff chars since patch got implemented, on one i used horse for like 4 rounds, havent paid single time :D i guess ur just terribly unlucky (even tho if ur archer, i guess the arrow repairs are crazy)
Well I have almost every 2 rounds repair cost. Im only wearing shit gear and im no archer.
I wanted to try cavalry, but this upkeep cost reduces the things I can try within this module.
Im a new player and I dont have alot of money. If I want to try something more expensive, I guess ill have to sell my loompoints, but I cant agree with this because this cant be the reason of getting loompoints.
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Well I have almost every 2 rounds repair cost. Im only wearing shit gear and im no archer.
I wanted to try cavalry, but this upkeep cost reduces the things I can try within this module.
Im a new player and I dont have alot of money. If I want to try something more expensive, I guess ill have to sell my loompoints, but I cant agree with this because this cant be the reason of getting loompoints.
try to make some money before u start wearing good gear, and as you lvl up and get better gear, you will find yourself more on the winning side hopefully and should make more money :)
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were do you play the Strategus?need to earn some money just to play
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No increased upkeep is good. Otherwise strat economy will break.
It seems range has gotten some awkward changes with low speed but very high damage. That will be fixed it seems.
Dunno about the other items though.
In general i could live with the new upkeep.
Only pity thing is that i found the point of even last patch and heirloomed my gear around that.
Im losing money now wearing my standard gear.
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basically this patch has made the weak,weaker and the stronge,stronger
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basically this patch has made the weak,weaker and the stronge,stronger
and how do you come to this ridiculous conclusion?
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In general i could live with the new upkeep.
Only pity thing is that i found the point of even last patch and heirloomed my gear around that.
Im losing money now wearing my standard gear.
this sucks, but with the implementation of market and people trading the shit out of everything, i guess there is no way for a loom respec now :)
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A few things to say :
1° Yes it is unrealistic given it's superior to couched lances in every way except the damage which is more or less equal.
2° I said fun and balance are more important than realism. That doesn't mean realism is not important at all.
3° Actually, as HA is one of the hardest things to do in RL compared to foot archery, melee etc. It's sort of realistic that a level 30 HA is still inaccurate and a level 30 melee is decent. Having level 30 HA equivalent to born horsemen and archery masters isn't really realistic.
4° If something is both unbalanced and unrealistic... you get my point.
i get your point, you use realism card when you like it... oh its unrealistic nerf, oh if this would be realistic it would be op
that hungarian guy 50 lvl right? well guess what medieval horse archers did all their life and you think this guy makes a living out of this ? its his hobby that he puts much attention to, he might just be the average lvl of the people that used to do it for a living ... but you consider him being much better than the true horse archers that used to do it
what about you killing people through the wall with pike, realistic or unrealistic ? balanced or unbalanced ?
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and how do you come to this ridiculous conclusion?
well now i cant aford to use any armour or weapons and the cashed up experienced players can still afford to run around on their armoured horses fully armoured slashing to pieces new players who will all be running around naked as they cant afford the new bs upkeep.simple not ridiculous
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well now i cant aford to use any armour or weapons and the cashed up experienced players can still afford to run around on their armoured horses fully armoured slashing to pieces new players who will all be running around naked as they cant afford the new bs upkeep.simple not ridiculous
I agree with Dutchydave.
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The increased repair costs are fucking retarded. It just makes it harder for people who play less. If you are not a crpg millionaire you will be forced to constantly wear total garbage.
Meanwhile the fuckers who play constantly retire, sell their loom point(because they already have retired so many times to have all the looms they ever want)gain 450k and go to town on people.
Are the devs not aware that simply increasing repair costs doesn't effect gold when gold gain is not coupled with using gear in game? Are you fucking stupid?
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Okay, at level 50, HA are like Kassai Lajos. Happy ?
This is a game. There are two things called balance and fun which are more important than realism.
Except the nerf to HA was excessive and completely ruined the entire concept of an HA.
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Yes that is. Those guys with millions of gold will have little problem with this patch. While new players, not non lifers and normal average people will be screwed. Then, when strategus comes back. People on big clans will have all the money they want to use the best of the stuff ingame. While non claned or just small clan ppl will be playin using rags. This already happened when strategus first was released. Many ppl who were using cheap armor, sudently came to the battlefield with shitloads of plate armors and mega horses. This was when making money was actually hard and you could farm for a month to buy that horse you wanted... Those guys got it in seconds just abusing the payement system... and all those guys were in the "top" clans....PPl dont caring about the patch are either rich guys, big clan guys who know they will have little problem when strategus is out or just ppl which classes are "naturally" cheap. And no, its not like i use top of the line stuff.
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Back to what I said before"Basically this patch makes the weak,weaker and the stronge(people who dont have much of a real life)stronger"And yes its true,playing this game dosnt count as living a life ;)
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How do you fuck up the texture on the heavy lance? It's an item you clearly had a lot of focus on changing but then somehow at the same time it was ignored that it had a completely different model? Do you even check the shit that you do?
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Sucks that you can't see your fired bolts anymore. It's just shooting blindly till you hit something. And when every second map is raining.... way bolts fly are always different. Welcome close-range shooting fests.
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The increased repair costs are fucking retarded. It just makes it harder for people who play less. If you are not a crpg millionaire you will be forced to constantly wear total garbage.
Meanwhile the fuckers who play constantly retire, sell their loom point(because they already have retired so many times to have all the looms they ever want)gain 450k and go to town on people.
Are the devs not aware that simply increasing repair costs doesn't effect gold when gold gain is not coupled with using gear in game? Are you fucking stupid?
While a little strongly worded I would agree with this. The new upkeep system. Sucks. Balls. I had lovingly saved up 100k in order to wear my transitional armor for a week or two (with plate helm, gloves and boots) only to find that the upkeep cost for my crappy, mid-tier mail cost almost as much (and probably wont be sustainable in the long run) all that grind...to wear exactly what ive been wearing before and when I wish to make money I'll have to bust out the fucking padded leather or some equally shitty, 1-shot outfit....
A small increase of 1% would have been fine, nearly doubling the upkeep cost on items is insane unless the intention is not to have your players running around looking like soilders but instead have an army of peasants with the occasioanal c-rpg millionaire heros decked out in full plate racking up 20/1 K/Ds
Please revert the upkeep system or at least decrease the % cost. This is my only real gripe with the new patch.
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i get your point, you use realism card when you like it... oh its unrealistic nerf, oh if this would be realistic it would be op
that hungarian guy 50 lvl right? well guess what medieval horse archers did all their life and you think this guy makes a living out of this ? its his hobby that he puts much attention to, he might just be the average lvl of the people that used to do it for a living ... but you consider him being much better than the true horse archers that used to do it
what about you killing people through the wall with pike, realistic or unrealistic ? balanced or unbalanced ?
i get your point, you use realism card when you like it... oh its unrealistic nerf, oh if this would be realistic it would be op
Any proof backing this up ? There are plenty of unrealistic things in this game so I won't make a list of them when we discuss one particular topic. I use those unrealistic features just like everyone else.
The pike through walls things is unrealistic for sure. Probably unbalanced too. But I doubt devs will spend time fixing that. I think I got something like one kill over 200 using this. Quite spectacular when it happens though. Bam, your first sentence has no sense anymore, I'm being unbiased.
About that particular guy, I doubt he is an average today horse archer. You probably chose one of the current best. It's clearly a hobby, nevertheless people usually are very good at what they like and very bad at what they don't. If he could make a living out of it, he would prolly do, no ? Anyway, if all you said was exactly how it was and the average horse archer was just like that guy, then I wouldn't see the point of not being and HA ingame. You want full HA battles ? My point is, even if this is realistic (and I don't think it is), it's still not balanced.
Except the nerf to HA was excessive and completely ruined the entire concept of an HA.
I heard HA are doing very well atm. Not in the same way as before though. If the patch prevents HA of doing the lamest technique in warband, holding your arrow ready and either shoot then bump or the opposite, it's a good start. Anyway, we'll see how it turns out. Seems like there are problems with upkeep.
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there were just too many HA... and some of them just prolonged the round..
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Any proof backing this up ? There are plenty of unrealistic things in this game so I won't make a list of them when we discuss one particular topic. I use those unrealistic features just like everyone else.
The pike through walls things is unrealistic for sure. Probably unbalanced too. But I doubt devs will spend time fixing that. I think I got something like one kill over 200 using this. Quite spectacular when it happens though. Bam, your first sentence has no sense anymore, I'm being unbiased.
yeah its unrealistic yet i dont see you spaming the forums saying "fix pike", and the issue that obviously needed a fix was lancing, the part when horseman is stopped and have the ability to lance jumping inf on the sides, well guess what those situations also happened like one in 200
that change mostly took out fun out of duels with other cav, as now you are turned into straight forward kamikazee
and when it comes to inf, you still kill dozens of unaware inf
About that particular guy, I doubt he is an average today horse archer. You probably chose one of the current best. It's clearly a hobby, nevertheless people usually are very good at what they like and very bad at what they don't. If he could make a living out of it, he would prolly do, no ? Anyway, if all you said was exactly how it was and the average horse archer was just like that guy, then I wouldn't see the point of not being and HA ingame. You want full HA battles ? My point is, even if this is realistic (and I don't think it is), it's still not balanced.
did you even understood what i said there ? maybe i made it a bit unclear, i said that if the guy from vid the world record holder one, would be put into time machine to the times when horse archers existed, he might not been any special compared to them
and being a world record holder means you have perfected many little details, but the other guy might be just a little bit worse than you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POe6BH8FSyc some random dude with a quiver just like the ones in m&b scoring all hits from horse back, and he is quite fast with it
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i had x5 for 10 rounds in battle (2 maps) and i still lost money, i had full set strange armor and danish sword (no gloves),
no plate armor or horse and i made a lost....
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Ya i agree, i cant actually use my faction armour as ill lose all my money which before patch was well up keepable.
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I heard HA are doing very well atm.
No the only ones who are doing fine are wannabe HA, who stop when they shoot...this isnt Ha this is only an arche ron Horse who wants to run away faster.
The concept of being an HA is to shoot while riding a Horse on fullspeed(though ingame you cant even do that before patch but at least with some semi fullspeed)
so as Overdriven said the concept is dead, HA is dead...
Archery is shit...its only throwing with arrows...before patch it was balanced...not so much damage but for long range. now crossbow is the only long range weapon...after throwing and pikes comes bows...and because of that bows do to much damage not fun for any site.
why try to rebalance something what was balanced before patch?
we only need this now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6EknwERf3o
and i want a function to grap new arrows when they flight towards me, so i dont need a quiver anymore...
devs should atleast buff missile speed 6-7 points this would make the damage output less too(maybe not enough) + make HA possible again
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HA's needed a nerf. Period. Maybe not this extreme but they were far to OP.
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HA's needed a nerf. Period. Maybe not this extreme but they were far to OP.
to destroy a class concept completely isnt a nerf...and OP is something other...most HA were only like a little fly who bugs you. to shoot a HA as an Archer or even a Crossbower was the easiest you can do...now the mounted archers are more easily to shoot
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The only 2 problems that I have noticed are the upkeep costs and the new scoreboard. The upkeep costs should just be back to normal, they were fine. The scoreboard I haven't seen mentioned yet, it's extremely annoying if you have a throwing weapon ready to throw as it releases it, on top of that you have less control because there is a cursor now. For no fucking reason at all.
Overall a decent patch, upkeep needs to be fixed ASAP though.
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Cry some more HA-s, cry some more :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Cry some more HA-s, cry some more :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sry to say that again but this game havent HAs anymore, so no HA can cry ;) naah i wanted to retire as xbow anyways for strategus but my HA alt will be on break till HA class comes back again maybe
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yeah its unrealistic yet i dont see you spaming the forums saying "fix pike", and the issue that obviously needed a fix was lancing, the part when horseman is stopped and have the ability to lance jumping inf on the sides, well guess what those situations also happened like one in 200
that change mostly took out fun out of duels with other cav, as now you are turned into straight forward kamikazee
and when it comes to inf, you still kill dozens of unaware inf
I'm not spamming the forums with anything, especially the pike going through walls as I consider it an unimportant issue not really worth the time. If it really bugs people, then they can ask for a fix and I will support it.
I think the 40° angle nerf first motivation was allowing 1h/2h cav again by reducing the reach gap. It changed the retarded chasing and in-out maneuver duels into pure timing. Frankly, it brings fun into cav duels. Less chit-chat, more action.
did you even understood what i said there ? maybe i made it a bit unclear, i said that if the guy from vid the world record holder one, would be put into time machine to the times when horse archers existed, he might not been any special compared to them
and being a world record holder means you have perfected many little details, but the other guy might be just a little bit worse than you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POe6BH8FSyc some random dude with a quiver just like the ones in m&b scoring all hits from horse back, and he is quite fast with it
We will never know who's right and who's not on that anyway.
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I agree... not thrilled about the patch. Spent this whole time getting my one heirloomed item to masterwork. Now at lvl 23, almost high enough level to use my new masterwork nodachi.... nerfed to what it was before. Plus I have to wear crappier armor. I am worse off than I was two generations ago.
I am gonna play single player for a while until this sinks in.
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Wow, just saw the new fog for the first time. What is this obsession with random weather effects rendering ranged classes utterly useless? We already have rain. It's great having to leave and go play something else because the god damn in-game weather changed. Too bad there's not a weather effect that makes bec, gla, and poleaxe spammers worthless.
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The Bec superiority is a pure NA-only MYTH.
On EU there wasn't any Goretooth to tear everyone up with it, guess what ? Nobody uses it.
The tendancy to copy anything a good player does is really strong. That's how pikes became very popular in EU too. Early May, some EU topscorers began using pikes and went 5/1 kdr with it. The number of pikemen like tripled in one day... I think the most popular EU polearm is the GLA. We have Tor, xandhold, wayyyyne, torben and a couple more known players using it very effectively.
About the Bec, a duel between a bec and a glaive can pretty much explain why it's not that good. It's bloody short.
I can see why the bec is better in NA though. Higher armor average, lower athletics... less cav and shielders ? It's a very good tincan opener, but is inferior to other top tier polearms for all the other opponents.
So if all the NA community comes to EU server with becs, they will be shot, lanced, spammed by 1h and whatnot...
The average EU guy (on battle, the skill level on siege is lower) blocks as many simple swings as you want. Feints don't work that good but holded swings usually do their job. The level on EU_1 a few hours ago wasn't reprensentative at all. The server was crowded with players from everywhere. I even had people teleporting, you can hardly block a swing you don't see :?
About the archer damage and upkeep, I got to try this out but this sounds like bad news.
i know this post is old but i want to respond to it
The bec is shorter than other polearms, but it's as long as most 2h swords. danish is 124, bec is 120. the bec's spike often goes unnoticed when you're not actually "dueling" the guy swinging it at you, giving it more effective range. i've been hit plenty of times because i forget about the spike and don't block, it hasp lenty of effective range. because of the weird polearm animation it is faster than all the 2h swords except for katana/longsword, and that might not be true post-nerf.
i mean, if we look at this objectively, the bec - is faster, hits harder, costs less and has all the advantages of the pole animation.
it is a problem because it twohits everyone. putting on plate will maybe, maybe let you survive one more hit. really what needed to happen was a nerf to pierce damage, the picks are slightly OP too. not a huge nerf, but enough to stop the migration to pierce weapons. people should use bec/pick because they like them not because they're OP.
as is, there's no reason to use a 2h over a polearm. the whole reason for using a 2h is killing lightly armored opponents easily and quickly. the changes to armor fucked all that up.
i mean, just play a game of battle and use a 2h and it's obvious the balance is fucked up, i have to hit sarranid wearing archers three times (with a danish) but get two shot by becs
anyway if you dont want to read all that, my point is - they ignored weapons commonly acknowledged to be OP, destroyed the 2h class entirely and kept the rest the same or buffed
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Upgrade items's pictures
0.230 0.231 in progress. Finished tonight.
And update site the next day, probably.
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i know this post is old but i want to respond to it
The bec is shorter than other polearms, but it's as long as most 2h swords. danish is 124, bec is 120. the bec's spike often goes unnoticed when you're not actually "dueling" the guy swinging it at you, giving it more effective range. i've been hit plenty of times because i forget about the spike and don't block, it hasp lenty of effective range. because of the weird polearm animation it is faster than all the 2h swords except for katana/longsword, and that might not be true post-nerf.
i mean, if we look at this objectively, the bec - is faster, hits harder, costs less and has all the advantages of the pole animation.
it is a problem because it twohits everyone. putting on plate will maybe, maybe let you survive one more hit. really what needed to happen was a nerf to pierce damage, the picks are slightly OP too. not a huge nerf, but enough to stop the migration to pierce weapons. people should use bec/pick because they like them not because they're OP.
as is, there's no reason to use a 2h over a polearm. the whole reason for using a 2h is killing lightly armored opponents easily and quickly. the changes to armor fucked all that up.
i mean, just play a game of battle and use a 2h and it's obvious the balance is fucked up, i have to hit sarranid wearing archers three times (with a danish) but get two shot by becs
anyway if you dont want to read all that, my point is - they ignored weapons commonly acknowledged to be OP, destroyed the 2h class entirely and kept the rest the same or buffed
You serious? You don't know that polearm swing animations have LESS range than 2h, or even 1h? Doh, a decent spamitard can outrange the bec with its 120 range.
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You serious? You don't know that polearm swing animations have LESS range than 2h, or even 1h? Doh, a decent spamitard can outrange the bec with its 120 range.
Some people just latch onto an opinion without worrying about facts or anything.
Facts are that 2h actually swing faster than a polearm with the same speed. The 2h overhand thrust is also much faster than the polearm thrust. You also get full length on a 2h thrust, where with a polearm you still have 15% of the length behind the grip.
The bec seems really good because a lot of the people who constantly use it are VERY good. They have to be because of it's short range.
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The repair costs fucking piss me off now. You cant make any money, and heavy armor is useless now because every time you die, you get a nice 2-3k repair bill slapped to your fucking face. I dont understand why they had to increase it. Its just retarded, and if they dont change it, then i cant really see myself playing this mod.
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The repair costs fucking piss me off now. You cant make any money, and heavy armor is useless now because every time you die, you get a nice 2-3k repair bill slapped to your fucking face. I dont understand why they had to increase it. Its just retarded, and if they dont change it, then i cant really see myself playing this mod.
Same here, i cant even pay repairs of my humble armory and weapons. I did drop my leg armor away and did use only light strange armor and nasal helmet, weapon was steel pick and fransisca + heavy board shield... repair costs was something like 1k, it is just too much to beginner. So now i dont have money to play even with these gears even one round, need to start to play as peasant? No thank you...
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Repair was fixed doods and doodites!
DL the latest hotfix, repairs are now about 8-10% higher then what they were before, not 60% anymore.
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Repair was fixed doods and doodites!
DL the latest hotfix, repairs are now about 8-10% higher then what they were before, not 60% anymore.
I dont know, i just installed to latest patch from here http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=2247 ? if it include this hotfix, reason must be these hammerin archers whos shots is hammerin equiments to apart because before i didint have any problems to pay repairing fees of these equipments and saving good amount of money, now i´m loosing money in every round.
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Nice a shity iron staff 400 gold to repair. Glad I still get gold for killing people otherwise this might get expensive.
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Repair was fixed doods and doodites!
DL the latest hotfix, repairs are now about 8-10% higher then what they were before, not 60% anymore.
Wow, only 8-10% higher?
Thats still broken, im my eyes it hasnt been fixed.
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WHAT AM I GONNA DOOO WITH ALL THE HEIRLOOMS I TRADED????
It really makes players feel really insecure about what they have done in game. I know many people spent long time on market trading the right weapon for them. Then suddenly here comes the patch that will change everything...
Of course we all want to be the best possible classes after the new patch so many of us will probably want to change again. BUT then ...what am i gonna do with all the heirlooms i traded?
really this surprised you? how many times has this happened? AT least 6-8 that I can think. That's the main problem. Your looms get stolen or made useless along with your chars every so often. And you get a respect of looms 2X what at the cost of losing 1/3 or more of them? Never get a char respect? Why do you think with the constant steam sells of warband has this population gotten less and less?
I rememder when a normal day in the use at 3pm not during the summer time (when kiddies are out of school) saw 400-600 people on EU and NA servers. I looked today there was about 250-300 people but we have 5X the servers than we used to?
Many people got sick of a dev team that can't understand a simple thing called cause and effect and those people have left the game forever after having been burned many times.
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first thing english aint my native language so there is bound to be some spelling errors and im sorry about that.
things wrong with this patch is only 1 thing and thats repair cost with 20k gear on i earn like 400g after 1 hour of playing seriously?
and to the previous post about archers well i think it is about time archers did some damage again before patch if you where dedicated archer with longbow you needed sometimes to hit people like 5 times still before they go down now its better i think also if you dont wear a shield your deserve to be arrow fodder seriously you cant exspekt to charge a archer without a shield and surive? how unreal is that.
Anyway i think the patch in generel is good but its very new and needs to be tweaked here and there before its good but im personaly not going to play crpg anymore before repair cost is fixed a nomad bow cost 300g to repair and thats the pd 3 one lol