Nerf Elite Scimmitar

[Lech]

Even before the patch - with over the top side sword - elite scimitar was one of the most used 1h weapon (with 31c). In this patch, it got buffed to 32c and is most often used 1h sword. Make it a on par with other 1h swords, don't make it automatic choice for power gamers.


Compared to NCS it have 2 more speed and 2 less reach (and lack 21p thrust, i assume it's a bonus as 21p is useless) and require 2 less strength.

Solution:
-increase it's requirement by 2
-decrease it's either speed by 1 or damage by 1

[Gheritarish le Loki]

Are you a 2hander?

[Dezilagel]

The problem with the scims is not the speed, reach or damage, it's that they have massive ghost reach and are much harder to block due to the nature of curved blades in crpg.

Either that problem needs to be adressed, or it needs to be reflected in the stats.

[Torp]

what class do you play yourself, lech?

[Lech]

Are you a 2hander?

1h + shield Kenky. I used elite scimitar and regular scimitar when i used my rus outfit.

[Gheritarish le Loki]

Ok, sorry lech, i believed you was one of that guy that want nerf for others.

I guess scimi is a bit op but don't forget that it doesn't have pierce attack.

Btw ghost reach is a myth.

[Lech]

Ok, sorry lech, i believed you was one of that guy that want nerf for others.

I guess scimi is a bit op but don't forget that it doesn't have pierce attack.

Btw ghost reach is a myth.

I wanted to nerf side sword last patch, even when i used one myself.

It don't have, but it's slashing sword and the only comparable slashing sword with a pierce attack have 21p that glance like hell, so people consider this actually like a benefit.

It's harder to read it for blocking as hitbox is straight so it looks like a ghost reach. I'm not sure if it have ghost reach or not.

[Kafein]

I wanted to nerf side sword last patch, even when i used one myself.

It don't have, but it's slashing sword and the only comparable slashing sword with a pierce attack have 21p that glance like hell, so people consider this actually like a benefit.

It's harder to read it for blocking as hitbox is straight so it looks like a ghost reach. I'm not sure if it have ghost reach or not.

It has a ghost reach because even if the end of the model is curved to the back, the collision model is an axis that follows the grip of your hand. So when your target is at top reach, you hit before the model actually hits. And that is not all, as the real reach is roughly the distance between your hand and the model end, it is greater than simply the distance between your hand and the projection of the end of the model on the axis.

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in red : collision axis

Add that extremely good reach to an extremely good speed and a 21/15 build and you got a spam weapon, excellent for tearing down 2h swordmen.

[Lech]

Reach and speed are one thing, damage is another. This beast have 35c 100 speed 100 reach 3x loomed. Even with just 18/18 it kill people dead with ease sans plate users that require more hits to take down (but this weapon don't glance much so it's not big issue).

[Peasant_Woman]

At masterwork the elite scim is basically a 2hander with an autoblock and no stab.

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Masterwork Elite Scimitar
weapon length: 100
weight: 1.3
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 100
weapon length: 100
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
slots: 1
Autoblock

Katana
weapon length: 95
weight: 1.3
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 95
thrust damage: 16 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
slots: 2

[Gheritarish le Loki]

As i said i agree it's a bit Op, but plz don't compare a MW with a normal weapon (and 1h mechanics is not comparable to 2h mechanics).
Not everybody have heirloom uber weapon, nerf the ormal weapon because it's op not beacause his MW version is op.

[El_Infante]

Even before the patch - with over the top side sword - elite scimitar was one of the most used 1h weapon (with 31c). In this patch, it got buffed to 32c and is most often used 1h sword. Make it a on par with other 1h swords, don't make it automatic choice for power gamers.


Compared to NCS it have 2 more speed and 2 less reach (and lack 21p thrust, i assume it's a bonus as 21p is useless) and require 2 less strength.

Solution:
-increase it's requirement by 2
-decrease it's either speed by 1 or damage by 1

It's just a whine without fundament. 1h Swords are very balanced, and there is no reason to nerf it. Why? 32 dmg is too much for you? 99 speed? 100 reach?

[Lech]

It's just a whine without fundament. 1h Swords are very balanced, and there is no reason to nerf it. Why? 32 dmg is too much for you? 99 speed? 100 reach?

Lololol. It's valid concern, 1337 spammy is better compared to others, so people are forced to use it. Yes, 32 is too much, as is 99 speed for and 100 reach in one packet. There is reason to nerf it, you failed to do any valid argument. Good troll, my old friend.

[El_Infante]

No one forces you to use Elite scimitar. There are nice 1h swords around, for example:

- Italian sword.
- Groose messer
- Niuweidao / Liuyeidao
- Scimitar
- Langes messer
- Short nordic war sword

Can I continue? Why you don't cry about niuewidao? Curved blade with 33 dmg, 101 speed and 88 reach.

[Diomedes]

It's just a whine without fundament. 1h Swords are very balanced, and there is no reason to nerf it. Why? 32 dmg is too much for you? 99 speed? 100 reach?

Most 1h swords are balanced but the elite scimitar is hard hitting, fast, long, and has ghost reach.  The ghost reach is really the tipping point into OP, though, since it's so much like having an invisible weapon.  I'd prefer to see such curved swords removed from the game entirely until the models can be fixed. 

Also, a note for balance, MW weapons should always be considered in discussions of weapon balance.  If just a few people have them then they're still possibly OP, but only accessible to the few.  Disregarding them from balance discussions is like saying medieval times were times of financial equality in Europe because there was no real disparity in wealth except for the aristocracy.  That's not to say there should be no leeway afforded to MW weapons, certainly not, just that they're essential to a discussion of weapon balance.